Let's see: 9 players.
Suppose Grujah, Cuzz, and Frisk are all telling the truth. I know I'm town (obviously other players will have to substitute themselves if they're town. If they're mafia, they already know what's going on).
That means ONE of O, Insomniac, Robz, joth, and sparky is town. 1 is SK, the other 3 mafia.
If that's true, then the scum have played a very strong game here, because I cannot see 3 of those 5 as mafia.
I could see 2 of them being mafia, which only requires one of the doctor claims to be lying.
Some random notes on Frisk's plan.
1. strongman breaks jailkeeper too (breaks roleblock). All they have to do is use a strongman kill and it will go through regardless of any town actions. Hence, you CANNOT protect any of you, you can only make scum use their strongman kill. So, no wasted kill by the scum, and no chance they'll kill VT IF you're all telling the truth.
2. After that they still have bus-driving and roleblocking so they can still kill everyone.
In short, Frisk's plan does not in fact PROTECT any of our claimers, only uses scum resources that have little use outside of breaking protections in order to kill them. And this is assuming everyone is telling the truth.
@ Frisk: I don't see a strong reason scum wouldn't claim doctor even after reading another doctor claim. Hoping to pull a jailkeeper (or no keeper) claim is a legitimate strategy. Planning on a team-mate stepping in if it seemed no one else would claim is also reasonable.
OTOH: I feel like you play a very different game when it comes to PRs than other people. (combining this with your MIX? play where you said you wanted everyone to hit L-1 and claim). So, I can understand why you would think as you do concerning Grujah.
So, really the questions should be:
1. Is one of the doctor claims sufficiently more trustworthy?
Cuzz: all of his comments at start of day are just as attributable to a scum-team that wanted to kill Eevee and decided to kill Ashersky to do so (IMO).
Grujah: his breadcrumbs are weak-sauce. I don't think a second doctor-claim which is likely to pull another PR is inherently more believable, whether he read or not.
-result: Cuzz is more believable, but it's not straining credibility to think that he may have lied. I don't think his claim is far and away more believable than Grujah's, I'd give it like a 60-40 split in believability.
2. Is Frisk's claim believable?
Actually, I'd say his claim seems fairly believable. It's possible that scum-Frisk would fake-claim to save a team mate, but he still hasn't seemed over-much like scum-Frisk this game.
3. Should we mass-claim?
Well, given that I already think that these three claims are unreasonable (simply because of who it implies are the scum this game), I don't see a strong reason to. I don't think it's pro-town to do so.
Anyways, I don't really like lynching one of the suggested PRs because I don't find sufficient reason to disbelieve them. I think Grujah is the best one there to lynch, but only by a thin margin. I think a mass-claim would make me more comfortable with it (depending on how many additional PR claims we pick up), but I don't think that we should do it just to be comfortable with the lynch. I would go along if the remaining majority wants it, but I don't feel strongly whether we should.
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