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[O]

I'm not following any mass claim by CF. If people really want a massclaim and want me to claim first, i'll be happy to do so.

[Robz888]

Do not lynch Grujah.

I want to mass claim. Starting with O

No massclaim. Massclaim right now is unnecessary and bad.

Frisk is being ridiculous. Why should we not lynch Grujah? You haven't given me any good reason. And you already voted for Grujah at one point today, so I know you did at sometime find the case redeeming. You so believe his doctor claim? Is that what you're telling me?

[sparky5856]

Also why is Captain_Frisk calling for full-claiming? Isn't forcing out all of the town PR's (which we WILL do in that case) anti-town as he said?

Yeah. Why role-fish and call out jo for role-fishing? This is getting interesting.

Do not make hasty decisions O. I want everyone to see Frisk's post first and gather some thoughts. I would much prefer a town consensus on these kinds of proposals than just jumping in.

PPE: 2 new.

[Robz888]

At this point, I think Frisk wants us to believe he's the Jailkeeper without him saying so. But then why make the rest of everybody full claim, possibly outing other PRs? He's desperate to save his scumbuddy, plain and simple. There's no logical pro-town explanation for opposing mass JK claim but supporting mass full claim.

[Captain_Frisk]

I have reason to believe that te claim is plausible (and I suspect scum knows it) - so if we are going to out 3 pr claims, with likely very few remaining may as well force scum to make their claims.

[Captain_Frisk]

Someone needs to unvote.

[Captain_Frisk]

I believe I have a plan that will protect the doctors, even of one of them is lying.

[Captain_Frisk]

Grujah claiming 2nd doc as scum would be incredibly stupid.

[Robz888]

Grujah claiming 2nd doc as scum would be incredibly stupid.

He wasn't caught up at that point, I don't think. I don't think he knew necessarily that Cuzz had claimed. Or perhaps he thought the implausibility of it might lend it credence.

The idea that we should out any other possible roles just so some scum can claim VT makes no sense to me.

I see no reason to unvote, and I'm tired of your stalling. If you have a plan, simply state it. No reason to preview it.

[Captain_Frisk]

Scum don't claim without reading.

I'm not stalling, im prone posting while babysitting and Erving football.

[Robz888]

Scum don't claim without reading.

I'm not stalling, im prone posting while babysitting and Erving football.

Fine. Unvote

But I am revoting tomorrow when I wake up if I don't see a compelling argument.

[theorel]

just checking in to say hi.  Nothing much to say until Frisk reveals his grand-master-plan...I can't conceive of what could protect both doctors even if one is lying, but eh I'll still listen.

[jotheonah]

Does "prone posting" mean you are lying on the floor?

[Captain_Frisk]

Prone posting... i may have been lying on the couch, fighting off the little one with one hand while PHONE posting with the other.

Anyhow,

I am the jailkeeper

Realistically, my refusal to claim probably confirmed this for scum, so I don't think I'm giving up much.  Since power roles become increasingly less likely at 5,6, and 7, even if one of the doctors is lying, I have a suspicion that I'm the last unclaimed role, but I'm not willing to intentionally LYNCH a doctor to preserve my identity.

I am in favor of mass claiming, because if both doctors are real, then we do have 3 mafia + a serial killer, and it is actually possible to lose tonight.

FOS RobZ for not at least letting me keep a tracker claim viable until we walked through other roleclaims.

So - this means that double doctor is plausible.  Unfortunately, it also means that as long as one of the doctor claims is legit, that we have a mafia JOAT, which means there's no way to prevent my death tonight unless I jailkeep the JOAT, because he can strongman kill me if he desires otherwise.  (Hopefully he already used it, but that seems unlikely)

Of the 2 doctor claims, I trust Grujah the most, because I can't imagine scum claiming doc without reading.

So - my plan would be as follows.

1. Don't lynch any of the 3 of us.
2. Doctors each flip a coin at night.  Heads you protect me.  Tails you protect the other doc.
3. I roll a d3.  On a 1 I protect cuz.  On a 2 I protect Grujah.  On a 3 I attempt to block my biggest remainign scum read.

As long as one of the doctors is real, I get at least a 50% shot of protection, and each of the doctors has a chance of being protected as well.  (Either from me, or from one of the other doctors)

With directed random action selection, scum will either be forced to use their strongman attack (they can't roleblock because they don't know who will be targeting who), or they will have to kill one of the vanilla townies.  Otherwise, they will be intentionally taking the chance of no night kill.  I'm sure theorel will appreciate that intentionally giving up the NK is a questionable decision.

I am not announcing who I jailkept last night, to allow for a chance at catching them in a lie (ie, lets say I JK'd joth, if he claims tracker investigation on Cuzz, then I can disprove it)

So, I want to direct a mass claim, starting with O for being super scummy (quick hammering Day 1), attempting? to hammer Day 2, and for being super tall. 

I wish I was a little bit taller.

[jotheonah]

Ok. I like this plan. I think we might as well mass claim at this point.

[Captain_Frisk]

And screw robz for making me miss an eagles scorin drive

[Captain_Frisk]

Also, if there are 3 scum + Sk, then we've helped them isolate each other, which is good.

[Robz888]

The reason I don't like this plan is because of my suspicion that both Frisk and Grujah are lying scum.

[Captain_Frisk]

How bad of a scum player do you think I an?

[sparky5856]

Yeah Frisk's plan relies on the fact that NO ONE is lying so far. How likely is that?

And I have a question. Should likely scum claim last? If they do, they'll have fewer options to claim as. If everyone else claims before the most likely scum, we can piece together the specific setup we're using (i.e. specifically how many I's, P's, K's, H's, T's, R's we drew). It gets more and more trickier to get away with lying if you're scum the later you claim.

[Captain_Frisk]

Even if one doctor is lying, the 2 people telling the truth have a reasonable Jane to protect each other. Scum can't know who to target without using host powers.

[Robz888]

I don't like Frisk's plan. I don't believe that he's the Jailkeeper. I don't think anyone else should claim. Grujah's doctor claim is not credible if there is no real Jailkeeper. Ergo, I am going to Vote: Grujah

[Captain_Frisk]

RobZ - this looks like Cuzz is your scum buddy, and you're aiming to kill all of the town PRs in one shot.

[Robz888]

RobZ - this looks like Cuzz is your scum buddy, and you're aiming to kill all of the town PRs in one shot.

I don't care what it looks like. I care what it is. You and Grujah are scum.

[Robz888]

Cuzz's responses to the night deaths at the start of Day 2 are pretty incontrovertibly coming from a Doctor who thought he had saved Eevee, in my view. So his claim is to me confirmed.