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[Cuzz]

I think Robz and Cuzz are scum. I think Frisk is absolutely right that he's caught panic-mode scum Robz flailing to protect his lying teammate.

Vote: Robz (which I was already doing, but I encourage people to join us before someone hammers Gru)

I think you're absolutely right that we've caught panic-mode scum flailing to protect his lying teammate. But his name is Captain_Frisk.

As scum, how carefully did you pick those words?

Wanna know when I stopped beating my wife too?

[Captain_Frisk]

I think Robz and Cuzz are scum. I think Frisk is absolutely right that he's caught panic-mode scum Robz flailing to protect his lying teammate.

Vote: Robz (which I was already doing, but I encourage people to join us before someone hammers Gru)

I think you're absolutely right that we've caught panic-mode scum flailing to protect his lying teammate. But his name is Captain_Frisk.

As scum, how carefully did you pick those words?

Wanna know when I stopped beating my wife too?

No, I think most forum mafia players end up being beaten by their wives.

[Insomniac]

I'm still pretty sure Grujah is the lying scum his claim just seems so fake, and he didn't notice that Cuzz has claimed because he was drunk and didn't read all the way when I told him he had to claim because he was at L-1

[Captain_Frisk]

Not reading is precisely why I believe the claim more than Cuzz's.

As a real doctor, if I"m drunk and someone tells me to claim because I'm at l-1, i'll do it because who cares?

As scum?  Doesn't matter how drunk, I'm not claiming without catching up.

[Robz888]

I'm still pretty sure Grujah is the lying scum his claim just seems so fake, and he didn't notice that Cuzz has claimed because he was drunk and didn't read all the way when I told him he had to claim because he was at L-1

Yes. Thank you.

[theorel]

Bah, I got it wrong again at the end.
IF no one is lying and no more PRs, we have NO SK.  (2T = no SK)  My analysis was off, only 3 scum in remaining 5 all mafia.  So, 2 town players.  My second analysis is correct since I left the SK out.
If one is lying and ONE PR we have NO SK.
If one is lying and no other PR then SK.

So, anyways taking away a T for the fake-claimed doctor makes the wrong conclusion about SK existence...and it's confusing.

PPE: No, I don't think the odds are in favor of everyone else being VT.  Conditional probability, Gambler's Fallacy, etc.  Even if you were all telling the truth, we would have a >50% chance of more PRs.

You are correct, but I think the incremental "damage" by roleclaiming is reduced if there are additional PRs, because scum already have to work through 2 PRs of probably higher priority.

Yes, so minimal downside I agree (hence my lack of opposition to the suggestion).  What's the upside?

[Insomniac]

Not reading is precisely why I believe the claim more than Cuzz's.

As a real doctor, if I"m drunk and someone tells me to claim because I'm at l-1, i'll do it because who cares?

As scum?  Doesn't matter how drunk, I'm not claiming without catching up.

The longer he took to claim at that point the less believable it is. I find it more likely he had set up a doctor claim and claimed it because he felt he wasn't claiming something already claimed. He hadn't read but had he taken the time to read his claim would have lost ALL possible merit

[Cuzz]

Not reading is precisely why I believe the claim more than Cuzz's.

As a real doctor, if I"m drunk and someone tells me to claim because I'm at l-1, i'll do it because who cares?

As scum?  Doesn't matter how drunk, I'm not claiming without catching up.

Ok, it's one thing if you think Grujah might be telling the truth, but in what way does this make his claim superior to mine? You're the one claiming JK so you of all people should be seriously accepting the notion that there might be 2 doctors. Plus I had actual evidence to back up my claim.

[Captain_Frisk]

because 1st doctor is a scummy claim.  2nd doctor is insane.

[Cuzz]

because 1st doctor is a scummy claim.  2nd doctor is insane.

Don't know what to tell you dude. I was at L-1 and I am a doctor. Hence I "scummily" claimed doctor.

[Captain_Frisk]

because 1st doctor is a scummy claim.  2nd doctor is insane.

Don't know what to tell you dude. I was at L-1 and I am a doctor. Hence I "scummily" claimed doctor.

As I've said previously, your claim is plausible.  It's just the scummiest claim because the only counterclaim is another doctor AND no jailkeeper.  I love doctor claims...as scum.  Why do you think i claimed back up in Cayvies crazy game? 

But, either way, I think its in towns interest to focus on the other 6 players, because I don't believe that both you and Grujah are scum, and the costs of being wrong elsewhere are lower.

[Robz888]

The best course of action right now is to kill Grujah. No more claims; we kill Grujah. If we are wrong, that means Frisk is one of the good guys, and he can be in charge tomorrow. We will also know that Cuzz's claim was perfectly plausible.

It's good and informative. Let's do it.

[O]

Theorel> Robz > Sparky >Jotheonah > insomniac in scumminess among those who haven't claimed

Robz is quickly going up for continuing to suggest to kill Grujah for information when we're pretty freaking close to mylo. (3 scum SK 5 town atm..)

[Robz888]

I don't think we have a Serial Killer.

[Cuzz]

The best course of action right now is to kill Grujah. No more claims; we kill Grujah. If we are wrong, that means Frisk is one of the good guys, and he can be in charge tomorrow. We will also know that Cuzz's claim was perfectly plausible.

It's good and informative. Let's do it.

Frisk's suggestion to "focus on the other 6" is perfect for him if he and Grujah are scum. That and claiming JK as a cover up for Grujah's hasty claim really points to this as a scumteam.

Ever since Grujah's claim he's been suggesting that it's basically a coinflip as to whether me or Grujah is lying and I don't get the impression that anyone else believes that. Not to be vain but I sensed a consensus that my claim was believed at the time, and now Frisk is trying to spread a "who knows? either could be lying. but Grujah's claim is better" kind of sentiment.

[Captain_Frisk]

I don't think we have a Serial Killer.

In order for that to be true, we need to have 4 or 6 town PRs.

[Captain_Frisk]

The best course of action right now is to kill Grujah. No more claims; we kill Grujah. If we are wrong, that means Frisk is one of the good guys, and he can be in charge tomorrow. We will also know that Cuzz's claim was perfectly plausible.

It's good and informative. Let's do it.

RobZ - I'm going to be DEAD tomorrow.

[Robz888]

I don't think we have a Serial Killer.

In order for that to be true, we need to have 4 or 6 town PRs.

If your claim, Grujah's, and Cuzz's are true--plus Eevee and ashersky and 1 more person among the remaining players--6 is exactly what we have. If your claim and Grujah's is false, we have 4.

[theorel]

I don't think we have a Serial Killer.

In order for that to be true, we need to have 4 or 6 town PRs.

If your claim, Grujah's, and Cuzz's are true--plus Eevee and ashersky and 1 more person among the remaining players--6 is exactly what we have. If your claim and Grujah's is false, we have 4.

No, I corrected this above.
If we have 2, 4 or 6 PRs then there IS a SK.  (or if we have 3 or 5 with Gunsmith/2 Trackers, though this is highly unlikely given the doctor claims)

If we have 3, 5 or 7 PRs we have NO SK.  (or if we have 4 or 6 with Gunsmith/2 Trackers, unlikely again)


So, if Grujah, Frisk, and Cuzz are all telling the truth and there is ANOTHER PR, then we DO have a SK.  If Grujah and Frisk are both lying and we have another PR then we DO have a SK.  If we remove the "other" PR, then we do NOT have a SK.

[Robz888]

Oh. Well, I have no idea what the right thing is anymore. Although I suspect it's not massclaiming.

[jotheonah]

Next up in the claim chain is Joth, even though I'm agreeing with him right now, I still don't like him.

I'm a VT. it's gotta be Robz or theorel next, though I doubt they'll actually do it.

[Captain_Frisk]

Next up in the claim chain is Joth, even though I'm agreeing with him right now, I still don't like him.

I'm a VT. it's gotta be Robz or theorel next, though I doubt they'll actually do it.

I agree - lets go with RobZ. 

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote Count 2-15

O (1): theorel
Grujah (4): Cuzz, Insomniac, sparky5856, Robz888
Insomniac (1): Grujah
Robz888 (1): jotheonah, Captain_Frisk

Not voting {1}: O

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Saturday, October 13, 3:00 p.m. EDT

EDIT:  Grujah vote count fixed

How about the RobZ vote?

[Robz888]

Vote Count 2-15

O (1): theorel
Grujah (4): Cuzz, Insomniac, sparky5856, Robz888
Insomniac (1): Grujah
Robz888 (1): jotheonah, Captain_Frisk

Not voting {1}: O

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Lynch deadline: Saturday, October 13, 3:00 p.m. EDT

EDIT:  Grujah vote count fixed

How about the RobZ vote?

What about the Robz vote? I don't think it's a good idea for massclaim, no.

[Robz888]

I mean, if two more people say they are going to vote me to L-1... then yes, I'll just go ahead and claim.