Topic: Most vp in 7 turns using only 2 Kingdom cards (Read 5874 times)

Graystripe77 · « **on:** July 15, 2012, 10:08:23 am »

As the title states. You can assume perfect shuffle luck (of course), and, using only 2 (and no less) Kingdom cards, what is the maximum vp that can be accumulated in 7 turns? (You may include colony/plat)

I suspect there will be many options, so it may be difficult to find the best one.

eHalcyon · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:53:45 pm »

Not quite sure of the rules here. Do you start with your two chosen cards? Can you buy other cards as you go, or only the two chosen cards?

ehunt · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2012, 06:54:11 pm »

37 with weird cards

CCC EE = chancellor
CCCC E = silver
chancellor silver copper copper copper = harem
ch har sil c c = province
ch har sil c c = province
ch har sil c c = province
ch har sil c c = province

timchen · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2012, 09:08:25 pm »

Do you mean 29?
Using only one of the two cards I can (trivially) get 33.

Graystripe77 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2012, 10:00:13 pm »

Quote from: eHalcyon on July 15, 2012, 05:53:45 pm

Not quite sure of the rules here. Do you start with your two chosen cards? Can you buy other cards as you go, or only the two chosen cards?

I mean you act as if these are the only two cards in the kingdom. You must buy each at least once.

ehunt · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2012, 10:27:16 pm »

Quote from: timchen on July 15, 2012, 09:08:25 pm

Do you mean 29?
Using only one of the two cards I can (trivially) get 33.

yup! ok, 33 it is. I want to argue that the solution has got to use chancellor. for anything else, you won't be able to draw it enough working with just two cards. maybe warehouse/tunnel, I doubt it.

zahlman · « **Reply #6 on:** July 16, 2012, 06:23:29 am »

~~35, trivial enhancement:~~

CCCEE = chancellor (H)
CCCCE = treasure map (T)
HCCEE = T
TTCCC = tunnel, 4 golds on deck
GGGGH = colony
HGGGG = colony
HGGGG = colony

Wait, Kingdom cards, not victory cards. So 34 then taking an Estate instead of a Tunnel of course.

ehunt · « **Reply #7 on:** July 16, 2012, 11:49:40 am »

if there's farmland then the chancellor solution with gold/platinum gets a boost of 2 on the last turn

Celestial Chameleon · « **Reply #8 on:** July 17, 2012, 06:51:15 am »

I can get 36 using Chancellor and Contraband:

Open Chancellor/Silver
T3: Play Chancellor, Silver and 3 Coppers, buy Contraband
T4: Play Chancellor, Contraband, Silver and 2 Coppers, buy Platinum
T5: Play Chancellor, Platinum, Contraband, Silver and Copper, buy Colony and Estate
T6: Play Chancellor, Platinum, Contraband, Silver and Copper, buy Colony and Estate
T7: Play Chancellor, Platinum, Contraband, Silver and Copper, buy Colony and Estate

Morgrim7 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 17, 2012, 07:30:32 am »

CC, you are a whiz at these.

Celestial Chameleon · « **Reply #10 on:** July 17, 2012, 08:15:05 am »

Using only 2 Kingdom cards, I can improve that to 40:

Open Chancellor/Tournament.
Turn 3: Draw Tournament, Chancellor and 3 Coppers. Play Tournament, drawing Copper. Play Chancellor (discarding deck) and 4 Coppers. Buy Gold.
Turn 4: Draw Tournament, Chancellor, Gold and 2 Coppers. Play Tournament, drawing Copper. Play Chancellor (discarding deck) and 4 Coppers. Buy Province.
Turn 5: Draw Tournament, Province, Gold and 2 Coppers. Play Tournament, gaining and drawing Trusty Steed. Play Trusty Steed, drawing 2 Coppers, gaining 4 Silvers and discarding deck. Play Gold and 4 Coppers. Buy Province.
Turn 6: Draw Tournament, Province, Trusty Steed, Chancellor and Gold. Play Tournament, gaining and drawing Princess. Play Trusty Steed for +2 Card and +2 Actions, drawing 2 Silvers. Play Princess, Chancellor (discarding deck), Gold and 2 Silvers. Buy Colony and Estate.
Turn 7: Draw Tournament, Province, Trusty Steed, Princess and Gold. Play Tournament, gaining and drawing Followers. Play Trusty Steed for +2 Card and +2 Actions, drawing 2 Silvers. Play Followers, drawing 2 Silvers and gaining Estate. Play Princess, Gold and 4 Silvers. Buy Colony and Duchy.

jomini · « **Reply #11 on:** July 17, 2012, 11:27:34 am »

39 without using chancellor

T1: Buy Cr
T2: Buy C
T3: CCCCCr: Cr (draw CCCE); buy KC, C; draw EEC, reshuffle
T4: CEECrKc: Kc -> Cr (draw whole deck); buy plat, C
T5: PCrKcCC: Kc -> Cr (draw whole deck); buy colony, silver
T6: PSCrKcC: Kc -> Cr (draw whole deck, minus a C); buy colony, duchy, CC
T7: PSCrKcC: KC -> Cr (draw 12C); buy colony, province

35 another way without chancellor

T1: buy gov
T2: -
T3: GCCCC: Gov (draw CCC); buy Kc
T4: EEEGovKc: Kc -> Gov (draw 6C, gain G), buy Gov
T5: CGovGKcGov: Kc -> Gov (draw 6C, 3E) -> Gov (gain G); buy Kc
T6: KcKcGovGovG: Kc -> Kc -> Gov (draw 6C, 3E) -> Gov (gain G, draw GGC, gain G); buy colony
T7: KcKcGovGovG: Kc -> Kc -> Gov (draw 3G draw 3C, remodel G to prov) -> Gov (remodel 3G to 3 prov); buy E

jomini · « **Reply #12 on:** July 17, 2012, 11:31:15 am »

Clarification question:
Do prizes and black market deck cards count as part of the kingdom?

Qvist · « **Reply #13 on:** July 17, 2012, 11:39:35 am »

jomini, I just wanted to post a try without Chancellor too. I get 36 points.

Open Navigator/Tunnel
N: Navigator, T: Tunnel, 1: Copper, 3: Gold, C: Colony, P: Province, D: Duchy, E: Estate
Turn 3: NEEE1, discard T1111, gain Gold, buy Tunnel
Turn 4: N3111, discard TTEE1, gain 2 Golds, buy Province
Turn 5: N111E, discard PTTEE, gain 2 Golds, buy Duchy
Turn 6: 33311, buy Colony
Turn 7: 33311, buy Colony
10+10+6+3+2+2+1+1+1 = 36

Celestial Chameleon · « **Reply #14 on:** July 17, 2012, 11:41:17 am »

Quote from: jomini on July 17, 2012, 11:27:34 am

39 without using chancellor
...
35 another way without chancellor

I think you mean 42 and 38, since you've forgotten your starting Estates.

Quote from: jomini on July 17, 2012, 11:31:15 am

Clarification question:
Do prizes and black market deck cards count as part of the kingdom?

Ruleswise, Prizes aren't Kingdom cards (since they're never part of the supply), but cards in the Black Market deck are (it says on the card: "Before the game, make a Black Market deck out of one copy of each Kingdom card not in the supply.").

Powerman · « **Reply #15 on:** July 17, 2012, 11:44:41 am »

Are you able to gain more than 2, and only buy 2? Or just 2 non-base cards can be used?

Graystripe77 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 17, 2012, 03:30:11 pm »

Quote from: Powerman on July 17, 2012, 11:44:41 am

Are you able to gain more than 2, and only buy 2? Or just 2 non-base cards can be used?

You may only GAIN two kingdom cards, yes.

jomini · « **Reply #17 on:** July 18, 2012, 09:12:18 am »

Did some tweaking to get up to 44

T1: Buy Cr
T2: Buy C
T3: CCCCCr: Cr (draw CCCE); buy KC, C; draw EEC, reshuffle
T4: CEECrKc: Kc -> Cr (draw whole deck); buy plat, C
T5: PCrKcCC: Kc -> Cr (draw whole deck); buy plat, gold
T6: PPCrKcG: Kc -> Cr (draw whole deck, minus a C); buy 2 colonies, CC
T7: CPPCrKc: KC -> Cr (draw 11C, G); buy 2 colonies + estate

bitwise · « **Reply #18 on:** July 25, 2012, 11:03:29 pm »

This probably doesn't count, but is quite hilarious. I get 198 points!

The two Kingdom cards: Golem and Possession.
I will denote Estate, Copper, Silver, Gold, and Potion as E,C,S,G,P respectively.

Open Potion/Silver.
Next pass, your deck is PECCS, CCCEE, CC.
Turn 3, buy Golem. Turn 4, buy Silver. You draw 2 coppers, and the rest of your deck is 3E,5C,2S,P and Golem.
Let it shuffle as SSM, then anything, so that on turn 5, you draw CCSS and Golem. Play Golem, cycling your whole deck, and buy Gold.
On turn 6, draw GSCP and Golem, playing Golem, cycling your whole deck, and buying Possession.
Now, as long as you draw Golem and not Possession, you can play Golem, activating your Possession and cycling your whole deck. Possession will let you take another turn without incrementing the turn counter. So starting from turn 7, you can keep going, getting 4 golds (or plats, I won't judge), then buying 7 colonies, 7 provinces, 8 duchies, 8 estates, and the last colony for a total of 8*10+7*8+8*5+11*2=198 points.

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