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[Galzria]

Tables*

[Tables]

I am indeed sending Robz loyalty to Qvist now.

[Galzria]

I am indeed sending Robz loyalty to Qvist now.

Can you send a Carbon Copy my way? I'd like to know too!

[Robz888]

He should be able to confirm that I am Resistance very shortly.

[Tables]

And just for 'in general' notice, if something would require you to give/take information from someone privately or otherwise communicate not in the thread, I will do it via PM. This applies to: Keeping a Close Eye on You, Overheard Conversations, Establish Confidence, Open Up and anything else I might have missed.

I AM however okay with players using one of these cards sending the information via PM, as long as you add nothing else into the PM. Just a single word 'Resistance/Spy' or 'Sabotage/Co-operate'. I can't enforce outside contact anyway (e.g. between spies) as I can't hack your accounts (shame...), so I might as well trust you to be honest with this as well.

[Galzria]

@Robz

If he does:

Robz-Qvist:

Spy:Spy
Resistance:Resistance
Resistance:Spy (outside chance?)

Are possible.

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If you report in as Spy:

Robz:Qvist

Spy:Spy (outsides chance)
Spy:Resistance
Resistance:Spy

Are possible.

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This is correct, right?

[Robz888]

Yep, looks right.

[ftl]

Looking forward to the investigation result from Qvist. When he posts it, I'll propose a team based on that.

(Not saying that I'll necessarily believe what he says Robz's role is, since he can lie, but it'll still give me some info to pick a team, as enumerated by Galz.)

[Qvist]

He should be able to confirm that I am Resistance very shortly.

Indeed he is. I take everything back: Robz is Resistance. (I think double hash tag isn't needed here, right?)

So I think that ftl should send himself and Robz to a mission. If the mission fails we know that ftl is a spy and know that the Opinion Maker most likely wasn't random. If the mission suceeds, well, that's our first point.

[ftl]

No double hashtags, it's just your word for it. As enumerated before, this result means that either Robz really is resistance, or you are both spies. 

Considering what to make my team. I see two reasonable options, and not sure which to pick... eh, I think I'll pick the more straightforward one and if y'all don't like it, vote it down.

#Propose team for Mission 1: myself (ftl) and Robz888 .

[Galzria]

I vote first:
Vote: No

I certainly can't trust Qvist's word over my own role PM. This mission would have a better chance to succeed if I were on it instead of Robz.

I don't blame you for making that pairing. It's the correct one for you to make. But I'm still voting no.

[Galzria]

At this point, everybody sends their vote to the mod, who will then reveal. Only my vote is public. (You can discuss before voting, and announce if you want, nothing against that).

[Galzria]

Just to be proper above:
## Mission 1, Assignment 1: Vote: No

[Grujah]

I believe Robz. It is very unlikely that
A) he is spy
and
B) Q is spy
and
C) Q decided to lie
So I belive that he is Resistance.

Thing is, I cannot know anything about what ftl. I don't know anything else about him except that he choose this card on random. Opinion maker does seem to be fairly distributed. On that fact (that ftl could be on an side), and that we have few more shots at proposing teams, I am inclinded to vote no, just to see what other people would do.

[Grujah]

I am a little drunk, so I've made a few errors, specificaly:
what in first sentence is unneeded
and
it should say
"ftl could be at any side"

[cayvie]

If this proposition fails, we're allowed to talk for a bit before I propose my suggested team, right?

[cayvie]

I was thinking that if we propose a team of Qvist and Robz, then if it fails, we will know 100% that Qvist is a Spy. (If Robz was a Spy and Qvist wasn't, why would Qvist report Robz as Resistance?)

If it succeeds, we won't know anything 100%, but that's the same as any other pairing.

[Galzria]

I was thinking that if we propose a team of Qvist and Robz, then if it fails, we will know 100% that Qvist is a Spy. (If Robz was a Spy and Qvist wasn't, why would Qvist report Robz as Resistance?)

If it succeeds, we won't know anything 100%, but that's the same as any other pairing.

Protip: Mission 1 very rarely fails. It's not worth the Spy's sacrificing their cred this early when mission sizes just get larger as we go.

At least, that is what I was told in Resistance-I. I assume it to be true because, well, it makes sense.

[cayvie]

I was thinking that if we propose a team of Qvist and Robz, then if it fails, we will know 100% that Qvist is a Spy. (If Robz was a Spy and Qvist wasn't, why would Qvist report Robz as Resistance?)

If it succeeds, we won't know anything 100%, but that's the same as any other pairing.

Protip: Mission 1 very rarely fails. It's not worth the Spy's sacrificing their cred this early when mission sizes just get larger as we go.

At least, that is what I was told in Resistance-I. I assume it to be true because, well, it makes sense.

If that's the case, does it even matter who we send on it?

[cayvie]

Further argument:

We learn nothing from a successful mission. If what you're saying is that Mission 1's are almost always successful (i.e., the chance of success/failure isn't a strong factor for choosing our Mission 1 team), then we should pick our team based on which pairing will give us the most information in the unlikely event of a failure.

And that team is definitely Robz/Qvist.

[cayvie]

I vote first:
Vote: No

I certainly can't trust Qvist's word over my own role PM. This mission would have a better chance to succeed if I were on it instead of Robz.

I don't blame you for making that pairing. It's the correct one for you to make. But I'm still voting no.

Protip: Mission 1 very rarely fails. It's not worth the Spy's sacrificing their cred this early when mission sizes just get larger as we go.

At least, that is what I was told in Resistance-I. I assume it to be true because, well, it makes sense.

You know what, Galzria? I kind of think you've contradicted yourself here.

Should we consider the likelihood of mission success or not, when determining our Mission 1 team?

[Galzria]

Not a contradiction, no. Just two separate logical arguments. The odds of it failing ARE small. Spy's should PROBABLY pass it. Nonetheless, the odds of success are better if I'm onboard, and I would rather not risk the possibility (or at least minimize it) that they DO fail it. Success is, I believe, better than failure + learning a spy is 1 of 2 people.

[Robz888]

Obviously, I have voted in favor of the mission.

I think putting me on the missions is a good idea, FYI, since in order for me to be Spy, Qvist would have to also be a Spy.

[Qvist]

Since it was my idea for the mission, I vote yes too.
Putting me and Robz on a mission is definitely another good idea, I think. If the majority doesn't agree with ftl and Robz, the next leader should definitely propose me and Robz for the mission, I can assure that it will suceed.

[Robz888]

(With the conclusion of MV, I have a perfect record in all Mafia games, but because of the Resistance 1 loss, Galzria has a better overall Forum Games record and this cannot stand. So I am going to have to assume Galzria is a Spy, because it's the only way for me to beat him this game...)