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Davio

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The Best Designed Card
« on: June 25, 2012, 05:01:46 am »
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Some Dominion cards are better than others, there's no doubt about that, but that's not what I'm interested in.

Where one card may excel in its mechanics or price to action ratio, another may have beautiful art and a third may be the best thematic fit. Surely, there must be a card that does all three exceptionally well.

I would like to find out what our users think is the best designed Dominion card. Qvist has asked you what the best card at each price was, but I'm more interested in other aspects of the card.

Which card scores the highest average on these criteria:
- Mechanics (they're important, but not the be all end all)
- Art (no love for Harem, I'm afraid)
- Thematic fit (does the card do what you would expect a card with such a name to do)
- Expansion fit (does the card symbolize the thought behind its expansion well)
- Simplicity (not that a card needs to have only vanilla effects, just that you can understand it quickly enough)

These are highly subjective questions and what I would like from you is to nominate a bunch of cards.

To nominate a card, you must mention it here (possibly with your reasoning for picking it) and it must be supported by at least one two users.

Once 5 nominees are in, I will add them to the poll (if it allows me to do so) and you can vote for it.
As more expansions come out, I will possibly edit the poll continuously and you are able to change your vote anytime.


I will kick things off by nominating Horn of Plenty. It's the title card of the set and symbolizes it well. The more you diversify, the more you will get out of it. I like the still life art on the card. It may be slightly more difficult than your run of the mill vanilla cards, but I'm willing to let it go. As far as actual gameplay I think it can often make for very fun games because you can always play it (except for Loan) as you don't need actions for it. I like how it encourages you to make use of the entire kingdom to get good use out of it. No longer those Pearl Divers and Spies are useless!

So if you think Horn of Plenty is a top notch designed card, support my vote by saying "+1 for Horn of Plenty" or something similar. If you think Horn of Plenty is awfully designed, just propose another card. It's not possible to "downvote" a card once it's on the list.

You are restricted to three nominations and this includes supports.

The current nominees are:


I don't have an image of the new Silver from the base cards set. If anyone has it, please post.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2012, 05:12:55 am »
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+1 for HoP !  :D
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 05:30:28 am »
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Cards have card art?  :P

I'll vote for City, because as mentioned in the card's article, it's brilliantly thematic: cities start out as villages, and grow bigger and more powerful as time goes on. The mechanics are also good from a strategic point of view - you know they'll be all-powerful by the end, but can you afford the time taken to get there? And it's also a good fit for Prosperity: it's like a Village, but bigger, and it's better in Colony games.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2012, 05:32:33 am »
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As I have 2 nominations remaining, I will +1 for City.
This means we currently have 2 items on our shortlist: Horn of Plenty and City.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2012, 06:37:39 am »
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I like very much thematic cards which are often the "most swingiest" cards. 3 nominations is tough. Let's think loud:

Tournament = very thematic: if you take part in a tournament and you are representing a Province and win, you may choose a price: a Princess, a Trusty Steed ...
Black Market = also thematic: you gain coins and may contribute your own money to buy something what isn't available in the "normal" market
Treasure Map = very thematic: you have two pieces of a map and if you put those together, you get a lot of money
Jack of all Trades = can do everything, but nothing very well (and is still a power card)
Fool's Gold = obviously the Gold for Fools
Cutpurse = your opponents lose money, not many, but still...
Tactician = what is better: sacrifice this turn and get a double turn next time!?
Ill-Gotten-Gains = awesome artwork and also thematic
Adventurer = awesome artwork and thematic: he searches through you whole kingdom until he finds some money
Lighthouse = awesome artwork and thematic: it protects from attacking ships (Ghost Ship, Pirate Ship, ...)
Masquerade = great mechanic
Governor = high skill card with interesting mechanic
Torturer = What do you mean by attacking? You still have a choice! A choice between the devil and the deep blue sea! :)
Peddler = unique in cost reduction, great idea

but my number 1 is definitely Embargo:
very thematic: you can prevent your opponent of pursuing his strategy,
great mechanic: tokens are always fun,
high skill card: do I want to spend my money for a one-shot $2 card because it can possibly slow down my opponent? And in the opposite way: Do I want this card so badly that I even buy it with getting a curse?
but still simple

So I nominate Embargo and Tournament and leave the other cards as inspiration for others.

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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2012, 07:47:31 am »
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+1 for embargo !
Even if my favourite is still Horn of plenty.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2012, 07:53:24 am »
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+1 for embargo !
Even if my favourite is still Horn of plenty.
Embargo added, three options now available.

We could also do a worst designed card thread one day, but let's not get things mixed up at this point, we already know it's going to be Throne Room which is broken and can induce cheating (doesn't keep you honest as it doesn't require you to show your hand if you have no more actions).
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2012, 08:27:38 am »
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Lets go for..
+1 for Masquerade
+1 for Golem

I'm tempted to go for Governor too, but I'm not sure how thematically appropriate it is.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2012, 08:40:07 am »
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Silver

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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2012, 08:44:50 am »
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Silver
A valid option, let's see if it's supported. :)
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2012, 08:58:46 am »
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2012, 09:03:38 am »
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+1 for Masquerade

Seconded.
Added.

I also edited the first post to show pictures of the nominees and I edited the poll showing from which expansions the cards are, how much they cost and what type of card they are. The cards in the poll link to articles on the main site, if available.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2012, 09:13:17 am »
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I second Tactictian.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2012, 09:21:35 am »
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I'd like to nominate Village.
  • Mechanics - no problems here
  • Art - really detailed and well-done as you can see below
  • Thematic fit - fits because "village" seems "action-y" to me
  • Expansion fit - fits because it is the most "Base"-ic village :)
  • Simplicity - hmm I'll get back to you on this ;)
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2012, 09:37:25 am »
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I second Tactictian.
Actually you firsted it or I am seriously misreading earlier posts.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2012, 09:39:12 am »
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+1 for Horn of Plenty, but Noble Brigand's my second choice.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2012, 09:52:44 am »
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I agree : village is one of the best designed card.
But I can't support it...
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2012, 09:54:38 am »
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I agree : village is one of the best designed card.
But I can't support it...

Why not?  ???
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2012, 09:56:36 am »
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Menagerie

Strong, but not if you just mash them mindlessly. Requires thought when building your deck. Awesomely fun to play, getting one to activate is one of the most rewarding feelings in dominion.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2012, 10:01:05 am »
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Swindler

A fun attack that often presents both attacker and defender with interesting choices.  An attack that you can avoid and play around.  An attack that sometimes forces you to improvise.  An attack that changes the game without sitting on it.  A terminal Silver that is not strictly better than Silver, but usually is. A card that matches its theme.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2012, 10:03:25 am »
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Candidate nominees (one nomination each):

- Golem
- Silver
- Tactician
- Menagerie
- Swindler
- Lighthouse

Posted this so I don't have to keep checking back the previous posts.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2012, 10:14:35 am »
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Watchtower

a fantastic defensive card which lives up to it's name, it successfully counters both cursing and hand size reduction attacks. offers incredible utility and is one of the few (only?) action cards which can provide a benefit even when you draw it dead.

and personally i would add a -1 to masquerade. it introduces a fuzzy new 'passing' mechanic, tends to be the boring dominant card on far too many (cursing, BM, and engine) boards, and it has the potential to be quite swingy.
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Re: The Best Designed Card
« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2012, 10:34:25 am »
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+1 for Watchtower
+1 for Lighthouse
+1 for Village

They have amazing card art and do what they are expected to do thematically.
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2012, 10:34:41 am »
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Watchtower

a fantastic defensive card which lives up to it's name, it successfully counters both cursing and hand size reduction attacks. offers incredible utility and is one of the few (only?) action cards which can provide a benefit even when you draw it dead.
Not quite only - Trader is another member of that category.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2012, 11:22:50 am »
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+1 for Tactician.

And i want to mention Jack, as it is a really great designed defense card without being a reaction. Plus its name exactly describes its effect and the artwork is not bad.
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