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[mcmcsalot]

Dang do you think being cagey is scummy?

Fang*

[mcmcsalot]

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

[Jimmmmm]

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

What sort of information?

[mcmcsalot]

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

What sort of information?

General mass reads lists. We used to do reads lists all the time and I feel like we realized scum uses that to know which misexhiles they can get over the hump.

[Jimmmmm]

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

[jotheonah]

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

[Jimmmmm]

The question didn't ask for a list, just top read/s.

[faust]

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.

[faust]

Vote: mcmc

[Awaclus]

Would that not generalise to any reads?

It sort of does.

How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

By thinking about who we think is scum and playing such that they get exiled. At the end of the day (as a figure of speech but also literally), you more or less have to vote for someone you'd be happy to exile, which necessarily reveals that to everyone. It's also often worth it to have some negotiations at EOD including actual preferences so that we get an exile with a bit more of a consensus behind it, because those exiles tend to be better. In those cases, it's worth doing because of the concrete benefits, but by default, letting scum know what you're thinking is a substantial advantage for scum and it would be better to avoid doing that without a purpose.

[mcmcsalot]

The question didn't ask for a list, just top read/s.

All the same feels like people give their top scum read with their vote. Providing your top read really just serves to let scum know where they should and shouldn’t throw votes at.

To clarify this is something I thing town does frequently but is more helpful for scum

[mcmcsalot]

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.

I did not pick up on that at all why did he not also ask for scola pastas vote?

[Jimmmmm]

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.

[mcmcsalot]

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.

What makes you say that? Town reads are just as helpful for scum as scum reads when they are trying to decide what wagons will result in exhiled and which won’t. Which is what I said

[Jimmmmm]

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.

What makes you say that? Town reads are just as helpful for scum as scum reads when they are trying to decide what wagons will result in exhiled and which won’t. Which is what I said

Fair enough.

[Jimmmmm]

Would that not generalise to any reads?

It sort of does.

How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

By thinking about who we think is scum and playing such that they get exiled. At the end of the day (as a figure of speech but also literally), you more or less have to vote for someone you'd be happy to exile, which necessarily reveals that to everyone. It's also often worth it to have some negotiations at EOD including actual preferences so that we get an exile with a bit more of a consensus behind it, because those exiles tend to be better. In those cases, it's worth doing because of the concrete benefits, but by default, letting scum know what you're thinking is a substantial advantage for scum and it would be better to avoid doing that without a purpose.

I don't really see the difference between "content" (as opposed to fluff or lurking) and "letting scum know what you're thinking". Of course not every single thought a person has is helpful to share, but I don't see that as a reason to avoid engaging with questions about reads.

[infangthief]

Dang do you think being cagey is scummy?

Fang*

Depends on the player. And on the game situation.

Which is why I thought it relevant to ask whether shraeye was more likely to talk like that as town or as scum. For some reason I had in my mind that shraeye was a bold reckless MiX-like player. From reading other games. But I might have misremembered. Or I might have only read drunk mafia. And I have no idea whether shraeye was town or scum or even mod in those games. I could go and read some again, but I probably won't bother for now.

Shraeye, do you prefer to be cautious or bold in your Mafia game comments?

[jotheonah]

It's funny to me that this community never gets past this meta-conversation about how mafia ought to be played. I mean, this is game 140 (with many many more if you include bastard and blitz games) and we're still talking mafia 101.

[infangthief]

Awaclus, did you really consider saying "pretending to wonder"? I find that hard to believe.

Yes, which I distinctively remember because that was the only meaningful wording choice to make in that post. For reference, I spent 4 minutes wording the one-liner after that, as you can sort-of-verify from the timestamps.

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?

Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.

In general, I tend to think about wordings pretty carefully, and very few things I say are the only alternative wording that was considered. My playstyle wouldn't really work otherwise.

I suppose we never (normally) get to see the things which you thought about posting but didn't. The "pretending to wonder" version of the post would have seemed (to me) very non-Awaclusian. So I was intrigued that you had considered it. Interesting.

[mcmcsalot]

It's funny to me that this community never gets past this meta-conversation about how mafia ought to be played. I mean, this is game 140 (with many many more if you include bastard and blitz games) and we're still talking mafia 101.

edge case  edge case edge case.

What else do you expect for a forum of game theory addicts playing a relatively simple party game ported over to a text based word counting quote dragging high stakes game of right and wrong.

[infangthief]

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.

That's a pretty lazy approach (especially for early day 1, when people are likely to move around plenty still) just picking the people currently in the "not voting" category. mcmcsalot in particular had already shared quite a lot readwise.

[Robz888]

To faust's point about deadline and no mishaps - I will have no problem at all being around for deadline. I think it would be well done if we had everyone post up on this sooner than later so we know where we stand.

I will be around for deadline, unless I forget.

[Robz888]

I don’t know how to word it exactly but robz first post strikes me as too “talking about things without saying anything” which is scummy. Though he is correct he is much better as scum and it’s actually a post I would expect scum!robz to reread and go “that sounds too much talking about things without saying anything” and come in more direct with a take on something a’la his second and third posts. So town reading robz for now.

I'm quite confused. Is it scummy to do a "talking about things without saying anything" post, or is it towny? Or does it depend on the person? If so, who would it be a scumtell for?

I think it depends on the person. I think scum generally wants to seem like they are talking a lot but they don’t really want to provide helpful content. However scum also has the option to be more of a driver of conversation/wagons. That’s the general point and I think players that are typically very helpful as town want to seem like they are talking lots as scum. I would probably toss you in that category shraeye a bit as well.

My view, going back a thousand games, is that scum posts are carefully constructed so as not to offend, and town posts are a bit looser. Of course it depends on the player. And then one can also pen looser posts in hope of seeming more townie, as scum.

[Robz888]

Vote: scola

Because I don’t remember them saying anything of significance so far.

[faust]

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.

I did not pick up on that at all why did he not also ask for scola pastas vote?

It says Pasta right there...