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M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« on: July 09, 2024, 06:57:56 pm »

M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia

This is a closed setup invented by Uncleeurope and MiX for a variable player count, starting at 7 players. Setup limitations are in the next post.

Co-mod: Uncleeurope.

Player list:


1. Jimmmmm
2. infangthief
3. Awaclus
4. faust
5. joth
6. Didds
7. Cuzz
8. mcmcsalot
9. Robz888
10. shraeye
11. Swowl
12. scolapasta

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared chats at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 36 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between an exile being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the exiled player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or any private chat. An exiled player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambiguous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: Unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote No Exile.
5. Exiles occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, an exile cannot be undone.
6. There is plurality in place, at the end of the day, if there's a tie in votes, one of the tied players will be exiled AT RANDOM. No Exile is still an option: if No Exile is one of the tied options at the end of the day it may be randomed into, if so no one will be exiled that day.

The Rest:
1. Bold Navy or Purple text are reserved for the Mods. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. Players may request prods on other players if they have not posted in 24 hours. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without an exile or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last five IRL days.
2. Nights will last 48 hours.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2024, 12:00:03 pm by MiX »
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2024, 06:58:44 pm »

Still /in
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2024, 06:59:46 pm »

Setup rules:

This is a Closed setup. It's designed to not be Role Madness. There's at least 4 Vanilla Townies.

The following role is guaranteed to be in play:


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Gladiator Bomb

If you are killed during the night, your killer must submit a player in private to the mod to challenge them to a duel, if they are alive.

During the following day, your killer and their challenge will be announced to the thread and only votes for the two of them will be counted.

You win when all Mafia are dead and at least one town-aligned player is alive, or nothing can stop this from happening.

Role clarifications:

If the Gladiator Bomb's killer(s) or the person they challenged dies during the same night, the Gladiator Bomb's ability is ignored.

If multiple people kill the Gladiator Bomb in the same night, the ability will prioritize a mafia-aligned killer first, then randomly choose a killer from the remaining living players.

After the first 36 hours of the night, a Gladiator Bomb killer will be told they killed a Gladiator Bomb and will be prompted to choose someone to challenge in the last 12 hours of the night, if they don't choose someone a random player will be chosen. It is encouraged that the challenge target is chosen at the same time a night kill is submitted.

Setup clarifications:

There may be multiple deaths in one night and/or multiple Gladiator Bombs, but there will not be a way for multiple Gladiator Bombs to die in the same night phase.

There will be no "bastard" mechanics like lying (no Miller/Godfather), alignment changing, third parties, etc. A roleblocked role that would learn something as a result of their action (like a Tracker) learns they were roleblocked, a role that does not (like a Doctor) would not learn any indication they were roleblocked.

There may be other details I'm willing to rule out from the realm of possibility that I'm forgetting right now, please ask me/Uncle any questions regarding setup rules.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2024, 01:19:52 pm by MiX »
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2024, 07:01:13 pm »

Dangit Jimmmmm you're too fast :(
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2024, 07:05:21 pm »

He he.

You gotta have everything ready to go so you can just copy-paste.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2024, 07:33:43 pm »

/inn
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2024, 10:20:14 pm »

/in
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2024, 11:30:57 pm »

If people want to use discord for this I'm happy to help. It's gone through quite a few changes since I made my tutorial but it should still be pretty simple.

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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2024, 03:21:37 am »

He he.

You gotta have everything ready to go so you can just copy-paste.

I did but I'm on mobile :(

If people want to use discord for this I'm happy to help. It's gone through quite a few changes since I made my tutorial but it should still be pretty simple.

I do, I'll reread the tutorial and ask you anything I don't understand.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2024, 03:47:34 am »

/in
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2024, 03:49:14 am »

Is the player name submitted with a kill for the Gladiator bomb treated as being targeted by the killer? Are they being treated as being targeted by the Gladiator Bomb?
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2024, 03:51:03 am »

Also, what happens if the killed and/or the challenge die during the night?
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2024, 04:22:42 am »

Is the player name submitted with a kill for the Gladiator bomb treated as being targeted by the killer? Are they being treated as being targeted by the Gladiator Bomb?

Neither, you can think of this picking as a post-night/dawn decision that is being done at night for convenience, so it would happen after Trackers/Watchers get information, but in effect it's not a target for gameplay purposes.

Also, what happens if the killed and/or the challenge die during the night?

I'll talk to Uncle and get back to you.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2024, 07:04:40 am »

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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2024, 07:06:47 am »

Ugh actually… the timing on this might be terrible for me. If it fires between July 12 and July 17 I have to /out. Otherwise in.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2024, 07:56:04 am »

Hi hi hi hi hi hi hi!

I’m not sure I understand how to play the set up or that I remember how to play mafia in general, but I’m sure y’all will help.

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« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2024, 07:58:53 am »

Hi Didds! I was hoping you'd check back in before the game started!
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2024, 08:01:19 am »

Hi Didds! I was hoping you'd check back in before the game started!

Joth messaged me!
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2024, 08:01:45 am »

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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2024, 08:02:51 am »

I’m not sure I understand how to play the set up or that I remember how to play mafia in general

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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2024, 08:33:30 am »

I have a preference towards a slower game, but I will also play the blitz version.
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2024, 08:45:11 am »

I have a preference towards a slower game, but I will also play the blitz version.

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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2024, 09:56:08 am »

Ugh actually… the timing on this might be terrible for me. If it fires between July 12 and July 17 I have to /out. Otherwise in.

It can easily start July 18 for me.

I have a preference towards a slower game, but I will also play the blitz version.

If enough people agree this can change, I just don't know what the preference is for everyone, really.

Hi hi hi hi hi hi hi!

I’m not sure I understand how to play the set up or that I remember how to play mafia in general, but I’m sure y’all will help.

/in

Hi hi hi!

It's just a normal game with a wacky role. Mafia itself is a wacky game.
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« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2024, 10:07:42 am »

/innnn So so excited I’m happy to play blitz or slower pace whatever everyone prefers.

Also vote: Faust for reading the setup too closely obviously mafia.
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« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2024, 10:09:19 am »

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« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2024, 10:18:06 am »

If enough people agree this can change, I just don't know what the preference is for everyone, really.

I'm happy either way.
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« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2024, 10:41:36 am »

I can deal with faster or slower. I'm just excited to be playing with you all tbh.
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« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2024, 06:18:08 am »

Same same. Whatever is fine.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2024, 07:04:30 am »

Day Length Vote Count 1.0

Long Days (2): faust, Cuzz
Short Days (0)
Whatever (4): mcmcsalot, Jimmmmm, jotheonah, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (3): infangthief, Awaclus, Robz888
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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2024, 07:14:35 am »

Intend to hammer whatever.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2024, 09:04:07 am »

If we want to build up a bit of momentum, we could start a Normal game now and then try for a Blitz game once people start dying.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2024, 09:40:22 am »

I would prefer if the nights were 2 days, but I'm fine with the days being blitz, normal or something in between.
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« Reply #32 on: July 11, 2024, 09:44:47 am »

Okay I'll change it to a normal game, 5/2.

This and other changes will be reflected on the OP tomorrow once I get to my PC.
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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2024, 06:08:18 am »

OP updated.

The technicalities of how Gladiator Bomb works were changed to simplify rules, there's no need to ensure a quick night if nights are longer now and it just created more rules hassles than it helped.
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« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2024, 04:34:59 pm »

/tag, unfortunately don't have time to play, but happy to see mafia alive once again and all you friends!
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2024, 06:05:26 pm »

Hello LaLight!
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« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2024, 09:35:10 pm »

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2024, 09:06:28 am »

Hi La Light!!!

Hooray, Shraeye!!
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2024, 11:21:46 am »

Hi all! When is this going to run?
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2024, 11:30:06 am »

Hi all! When is this going to run?

Hi scola!

Sign-ups close July 18th since joth can only start then.

Should I put that in the OP?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2024, 11:59:03 am »

For Gladiator Bomb challenges, is there any time limit by which the killer must name their challenge? Or a standard time that the mod will wait before announcing the duel?

Basically, will we be able to infer stuff from the timing of the announcement?

What happens if people place votes before the duelists are announced? Are all such votes ignored, or do they still stand if they happen to be for one of the duelists?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2024, 01:53:24 pm »

For Gladiator Bomb challenges, is there any time limit by which the killer must name their challenge? Or a standard time that the mod will wait before announcing the duel?

Basically, will we be able to infer stuff from the timing of the announcement?

What happens if people place votes before the duelists are announced? Are all such votes ignored, or do they still stand if they happen to be for one of the duelists?

The plan is to encourage players to submit their Gladiator targets ahead of time, like the previous rules but as an unofficial rule instead of an official rule. More officially, you would know you killed a Gladiator Bomb 36 hours into the night phase (where night action submissions end) so you would have 12 hours to submit a name, otherwise someone will be chosen at random.

I'll update the clarifications with that.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2024, 03:05:53 pm »

So if I kill the Gladiator Bomb, do I get a 36-hour sneak preview of everyone else who died that night, to ensure that I challenge a living player? Or is it still possible that I challenge a player who dies?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2024, 07:37:27 pm »

Could the killer submit a number of Gladiator targets, and then the first one that remains alive is challenged?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2024, 08:57:14 am »

Hi all! When is this going to run?

Hi hi hi! Are you going to play with us??
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2024, 04:21:01 pm »

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« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2024, 04:21:13 pm »

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« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2024, 04:40:05 pm »

Hi all! When is this going to run?

Hi hi hi! Are you going to play with us??

How could I not? Add me to the gladiator r/ing!
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2024, 08:32:35 pm »

So if I kill the Gladiator Bomb, do I get a 36-hour sneak preview of everyone else who died that night, to ensure that I challenge a living player? Or is it still possible that I challenge a player who dies?

After much deliberation with Eddie we have concluded that it's probably best to rule that you can challenge a player who dies, and in that case there would be no duel. I'll update the setup post.
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« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2024, 07:44:59 am »

Hooray Swowl! Hooray Scola!
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2024, 10:52:56 am »


There may be multiple deaths in one night and/or multiple Gladiator Bombs, but there will not be a way for multiple Gladiator Bombs to die in the same night phase.


It's not obvious to me why this would be the case. Will we be told the mechanism that prevents this from happening?
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2024, 10:59:48 am »


There may be multiple deaths in one night and/or multiple Gladiator Bombs, but there will not be a way for multiple Gladiator Bombs to die in the same night phase.


It's not obvious to me why this would be the case. Will we be told the mechanism that prevents this from happening?

The setup will be designed such that this situation cannot happen. This is a rule you can use to deduce the setup.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2024, 10:05:38 pm »


There may be multiple deaths in one night and/or multiple Gladiator Bombs, but there will not be a way for multiple Gladiator Bombs to die in the same night phase.


It's not obvious to me why this would be the case. Will we be told the mechanism that prevents this from happening?

The setup will be designed such that this situation cannot happen. This is a rule you can use to deduce the setup.

I still don’t totally follow, since the info we have so far about the setup seems to imply it could happen, other than the superseding assertion that it can’t. Does that mean eventually we’ll get more setup info that will make it obvious why this can’t happen or will it be something of a puzzle?
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #53 on: July 18, 2024, 05:43:19 am »


There may be multiple deaths in one night and/or multiple Gladiator Bombs, but there will not be a way for multiple Gladiator Bombs to die in the same night phase.


It's not obvious to me why this would be the case. Will we be told the mechanism that prevents this from happening?

The setup will be designed such that this situation cannot happen. This is a rule you can use to deduce the setup.

I still don’t totally follow, since the info we have so far about the setup seems to imply it could happen, other than the superseding assertion that it can’t. Does that mean eventually we’ll get more setup info that will make it obvious why this can’t happen or will it be something of a puzzle?

The fact that it cannot happen is itself the information about the setup. It really just means that there won't be a vigilante and multiple gladiator bombs unless the vigilante is conditional on a gladiator bomb already being dead, for example. And this can be treated as mod confirmed information.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2024, 06:45:20 am »

So... where's my PM?  :P
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #55 on: July 18, 2024, 06:58:21 am »

I'm going to be out and busy all of tomorrow so if it starts then I probably won't be able to do much more than check in.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #56 on: July 18, 2024, 11:59:46 am »

Thread Locked.

PMs will be sent out later today. Night 0 will start once everyone has confirmed their role.
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« Reply #57 on: July 18, 2024, 01:39:43 pm »

PMs have been sent!

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2024, 08:54:28 am »

Hi! You won't believe this. I haven't signed in for months. Yesterday I'm like, let's just check in. And I see a game just started! I missed everyone!
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #59 on: July 22, 2024, 07:55:15 pm »

Everyone has confirmed!

Night 0 starts now, Day 1 will start July 24, 2024, 08:00:00 pm
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #60 on: July 24, 2024, 08:00:44 pm »

(There's supposed to be flavor in mafia games right? But I don't have any ideas. Oh I can start with a simple thing.)

Hello everyone! Welcome back to f.ds mafia, long thought dead, now returning! Reunite with your lost friends, chat and have fun, then vote them out of the game! Now get going!

(Alright, now I need to talk to Uncle Eddie for more ideas, I'm sure he has some by now.)

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Not Voting (12): Jimmmmm, infangthief, Awaclus, faust, joth, Didds, Cuzz, mcmcsalot, Robz888, shraeye, Swowl, scolapasta

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« Reply #61 on: July 24, 2024, 08:00:51 pm »

Morning!
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« Reply #62 on: July 24, 2024, 08:29:27 pm »

Morning!

Good evening! So glad to be back :) vote: jimmm because I can!
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« Reply #63 on: July 24, 2024, 08:31:01 pm »

Also do we want to discuss the whole no double bomb but potentially multiple nk setup stuff? There aren’t too many roles that can cause those scenarios that I can think of.
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« Reply #64 on: July 24, 2024, 08:31:09 pm »

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #65 on: July 24, 2024, 08:39:34 pm »

Also do we want to discuss the whole no double bomb but potentially multiple nk setup stuff? There aren’t too many roles that can cause those scenarios that I can think of.

I mean, there could be no multiple kills, or there could be only one Bomb, or there could be some modified role to take that into account. I suspect the purpose of that clarification is simply to pre-empt the question of "What if multiple Bombs die?" without answering the questions "Are there multiple Bombs?" or "Could there be multiple kills?".
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« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2024, 08:52:26 pm »

Also do we want to discuss the whole no double bomb but potentially multiple nk setup stuff? There aren’t too many roles that can cause those scenarios that I can think of.

I mean, there could be no multiple kills, or there could be only one Bomb, or there could be some modified role to take that into account. I suspect the purpose of that clarification is simply to pre-empt the question of "What if multiple Bombs die?" without answering the questions "Are there multiple Bombs?" or "Could there be multiple kills?".

I suspect you are correct and in the event there are two kills the non vig role that potentially causes that would reveal itself
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #67 on: July 24, 2024, 08:56:27 pm »

Wait you're saying that if there's a Vig, then there's another role that would prevent the double Bomb kill?

If there's a Vig and multiple Bombs, the Vig modification could just be "If you target a Bomb and a different Bomb dies, your kill fails".
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« Reply #68 on: July 24, 2024, 09:29:01 pm »

Wait you're saying that if there's a Vig, then there's another role that would prevent the double Bomb kill?

If there's a Vig and multiple Bombs, the Vig modification could just be "If you target a Bomb and a different Bomb dies, your kill fails".

There is also the potential of lovers which would cause multiple night deaths just not kills, bodyguard wouldn't affect anything, pretty sure that's it for additional death pr's. Again I think it is likely vague for non-confirmation reasons not vague for hiding some strange power shenanigans
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #69 on: July 24, 2024, 11:28:56 pm »

Heyo all!

For fun I just went back through old posts and determined it’s been over 6 years since I’ve played mafia so I barely remember how this game works.
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« Reply #70 on: July 25, 2024, 12:17:34 am »

dude... I missed all of you so damn much.

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #71 on: July 25, 2024, 12:41:43 am »

Hooray, it's Grand to be back!
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #72 on: July 25, 2024, 12:45:56 am »

Ok so a few things...

1. I love that this is like the most "MiX-y" way of phrasing this ever - but then it is ended with Mod confirmed. That made me laugh.

2. I am having trouble connecting the dots here. It has been a while, so if I am missing something lmk...

There will be no "bastard" mechanics like lying (no Miller/Godfather), alignment changing, third parties, etc.
k.... so that means no SK or third party or whatever.

The fact that it cannot happen is itself the information about the setup. It really just means that there won't be a vigilante and multiple gladiator bombs unless the vigilante is conditional on a gladiator bomb already being dead, for example. And this can be treated as mod confirmed information.
However, the above here combined with the rule that lays out "mafia is the first killer of a bomb, if not then randomly amongst the others...." is confusing.

So there is no third party. But there is also no vig potential if there are two+ bombs... so like... either what is literally stated - conditional vig - or like mafia has the potential for multiple shots per night? Secondary bomb is not active if primary bomb is still alive?

That is all a long way around way of saying this - I think there is a Town role that matters, and I think that Skum has more info than we do. I effing LOVE set up talk... but this doesn't seem like a beneficial game for us to focus on it too much. My 2 cents.

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #73 on: July 25, 2024, 01:20:24 am »

I don't think we're meant to conclude that multiple kills are more likely than the average 12p game. I think the only purpose of that rule is to assure us that there won't be multiple duels in a single Day.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #74 on: July 25, 2024, 07:19:09 am »

Ah, it has begun!

It's good to catch that there are no third parties, I missed that because it was weirdly under "bastard" mechanics?

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #75 on: July 25, 2024, 07:27:41 am »

Something that's more important than setup speculation is the fact that we have plurality exile and relatively short days. We need a certain amount of discipline when it comes to end-of-Day wagoning to make sure we don't accidentally land on one of our PRs.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #76 on: July 25, 2024, 07:31:43 am »

Hi everyone!

Heyo all!

For fun I just went back through old posts and determined it’s been over 6 years since I’ve played mafia so I barely remember how this game works.
... and I reckon it is about 6 years since I first played mafia here, so hi Cuzz! and hi Shraeye, don't think I've played with you either.

This game works by everyone telling the truth all the time. MiX told us so:
There will be no "bastard" mechanics like lying

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« Reply #77 on: July 25, 2024, 07:35:37 am »

I do not like plurality exile.
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« Reply #78 on: July 25, 2024, 07:36:40 am »

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?

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« Reply #79 on: July 25, 2024, 07:40:13 am »

I do not like plurality exile.

Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.
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« Reply #80 on: July 25, 2024, 07:48:18 am »

I do not like plurality exile.

Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.
Because people end up being lazy.
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« Reply #81 on: July 25, 2024, 07:55:11 am »

Wait you're saying that if there's a Vig, then there's another role that would prevent the double Bomb kill?

If there's a Vig and multiple Bombs, the Vig modification could just be "If you target a Bomb and a different Bomb dies, your kill fails".

There is also the potential of lovers which would cause multiple night deaths just not kills, bodyguard wouldn't affect anything, pretty sure that's it for additional death pr's. Again I think it is likely vague for non-confirmation reasons not vague for hiding some strange power shenanigans

It was Jimmmmm's suggestion that the vagueness was for non-confirmation reasons. But here you're implying that it was your take.

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #82 on: July 25, 2024, 08:25:36 am »

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?

Vote: faust
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« Reply #83 on: July 25, 2024, 08:28:45 am »

I do not like plurality exile.

Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.
Any mechanic that introduces a coinflip into a game is terrible.
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« Reply #84 on: July 25, 2024, 08:35:33 am »

Ah, it has begun!

It's good to catch that there are no third parties, I missed that because it was weirdly under "bastard" mechanics?

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I didn't get a read from him pointing this out but the fact that he said
I effing LOVE set up talk... but this doesn't seem like a beneficial game for us to focus on it too much. My 2 cents.

gives me townie vibes. I think town is more likely to feel this way then scum.
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« Reply #85 on: July 25, 2024, 08:37:21 am »

Heyo all!

For fun I just went back through old posts and determined it’s been over 6 years since I’ve played mafia so I barely remember how this game works.

You still in the Somerville area? I moved out to the burbs
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #86 on: July 25, 2024, 08:40:50 am »

Wait you're saying that if there's a Vig, then there's another role that would prevent the double Bomb kill?

If there's a Vig and multiple Bombs, the Vig modification could just be "If you target a Bomb and a different Bomb dies, your kill fails".

There is also the potential of lovers which would cause multiple night deaths just not kills, bodyguard wouldn't affect anything, pretty sure that's it for additional death pr's. Again I think it is likely vague for non-confirmation reasons not vague for hiding some strange power shenanigans

It was Jimmmmm's suggestion that the vagueness was for non-confirmation reasons. But here you're implying that it was your take.

vote: mcmcsalot

good thinking but that's not what I was trying to do. The "again" was referencing the below post where I had already said I agreed with Jimm's suggestion of vaugeness.

Also do we want to discuss the whole no double bomb but potentially multiple nk setup stuff? There aren’t too many roles that can cause those scenarios that I can think of.

I mean, there could be no multiple kills, or there could be only one Bomb, or there could be some modified role to take that into account. I suspect the purpose of that clarification is simply to pre-empt the question of "What if multiple Bombs die?" without answering the questions "Are there multiple Bombs?" or "Could there be multiple kills?".

I suspect you are correct and in the event there are two kills the non vig role that potentially causes that would reveal itself

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« Reply #87 on: July 25, 2024, 08:42:33 am »

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I find this to be a silly question. Setup talk is totally faction-neutral. What's the implication? That scum is going to keep mum and hope no one else read the setup so they can keep their SK fakeclaim in their back pocket? Absurd.

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #88 on: July 25, 2024, 08:45:41 am »

Please don't project stuff onto my words that I never said.
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« Reply #89 on: July 25, 2024, 08:48:36 am »

Honest question: Under what situation would pointing out a thing about the setup be a scum tell?
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« Reply #90 on: July 25, 2024, 08:48:55 am »

Hi hi hi hi hi!

I’ve missed you all so much! I have so many questions for all of you about your lives and new and exciting life events. I’ll try to refrain because I don’t liked being called fluffy but know that I am burning with buroisty. EFHW, it killed me not to be able to say hi because the thread was locked. I’m kicking myself for not figuring out some other way than f.ds to send you a message.

I’m soaking up the set up talk, although my guess is that it won’t help me much until Day 2 when someone can actually explain what happened instead of what can happen.

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« Reply #91 on: July 25, 2024, 09:02:13 am »

unvote fairy nuff mcmc
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« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2024, 09:25:05 am »

Ah, it has begun!

It's good to catch that there are no third parties, I missed that because it was weirdly under "bastard" mechanics?

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?
It is, unfortunately, perfectly Swowl-neutral in my mind
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« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2024, 09:26:49 am »

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?

Vote: faust
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« Reply #94 on: July 25, 2024, 10:03:29 am »

I 100% agree with Shraeye and in fact vote: joth

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I find this to be a silly question. Setup talk is totally faction-neutral. What's the implication? That scum is going to keep mum and hope no one else read the setup so they can keep their SK fakeclaim in their back pocket? Absurd.

vote: faust

These are very strong words from a day 1`townie. Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2024, 10:09:18 am »

Did you just underline "absurd" from his post?
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« Reply #96 on: July 25, 2024, 10:09:44 am »

They also seem unusually aggro for Joth
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« Reply #97 on: July 25, 2024, 10:12:11 am »

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

Is Shraeye more likely town or scum for being cagey?

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« Reply #98 on: July 25, 2024, 10:14:44 am »

Did you just underline "absurd" from his post?

I did, am I not supposed to underline things in quotes its very possible that a thing we aren't supposed to do. That was the word that struck me as pretty strong so I was highlighting it by underlining. I did it in my post quoting the jimm and I back and forth as well.
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« Reply #99 on: July 25, 2024, 10:17:01 am »

Hot take, mcmc is not posting by voice-to-text software or whatever I remember him doing a few games back.
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« Reply #100 on: July 25, 2024, 10:26:07 am »

Honest question: Under what situation would pointing out a thing about the setup be a scum tell?
Well, there  are various ways in which that could be a scum tell. Generally speaking, scum is more likely to be aware of the setup because they presumably would have talked about it already. In some cases it is beneficial for town to not draw attention to a certain detail in the setup in the hopes that scum will not be alerted to it, and then pointing it out can be a scum tell.

Not that I think any of this was going on. I actually think Swowl is town.
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« Reply #101 on: July 25, 2024, 10:28:03 am »

Vote: fang
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« Reply #102 on: July 25, 2024, 10:31:49 am »

Did you just underline "absurd" from his post?

I did, am I not supposed to underline things in quotes its very possible that a thing we aren't supposed to do. That was the word that struck me as pretty strong so I was highlighting it by underlining. I did it in my post quoting the jimm and I back and forth as well.
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« Reply #103 on: July 25, 2024, 10:37:35 am »

Nice.

I guess adding underlining or bolding in a quote is probably fine? But I guess generally you'd say you did so, to avoid misleading people about what the original post was.
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« Reply #104 on: July 25, 2024, 10:49:34 am »

Being a little aggro is ok sometimes.

I heard we have short days and need to get some real wagons going.

One of those wagons being on me is… well I’m used to it.

fang is reading pretty towny to me.

Torn between staying on Faust and throwing out an OMGUS on mcmc, but for now I’ll leave it to less biased people to say whether his vote for me was scummy.
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« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2024, 10:58:04 am »

1. I love that this is like the most "MiX-y" way of phrasing this ever - but then it is ended with Mod confirmed. That made me laugh.

What are "this" and "it" referring to here?

So Cuzz, are you a member of the Mafia?

Nope!

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?

Vote: faust

Scummy. The word "wondering" only makes sense if faust is town.

I do not like plurality exile.

Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.

Additionally scummy. I agree with infangthief and Awaclus' response seems too comfortable with lazy town play.

Heyo all!

For fun I just went back through old posts and determined it’s been over 6 years since I’ve played mafia so I barely remember how this game works.

You still in the Somerville area? I moved out to the burbs

Not for like 10 years lol. I've been an academic nomad, was in Chicago for quite a while, and now settled in the DC area.
But I'm glad you're in this game too! You're still the only fds person I've ever met in real life.


 
Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I find this to be a silly question. Setup talk is totally faction-neutral. What's the implication? That scum is going to keep mum and hope no one else read the setup so they can keep their SK fakeclaim in their back pocket? Absurd.

vote: faust

Also scummy. Generating discussion about town/scumreads is also totally faction neutral, and faust wasn't referring to generic "setup talk" but rather to the specific point about third parties, which seems like a legit question.

Hi hi hi hi hi!

I’ve missed you all so much! I have so many questions for all of you about your lives and new and exciting life events. I’ll try to refrain because I don’t liked being called fluffy but know that I am burning with buroisty. EFHW, it killed me not to be able to say hi because the thread was locked. I’m kicking myself for not figuring out some other way than f.ds to send you a message.

I’m soaking up the set up talk, although my guess is that it won’t help me much until Day 2 when someone can actually explain what happened instead of what can happen.

Deadline is Monday evening at 8, and likely too late for our euro friends (just faust, Awa, and thief? And for Jimmm it’s so late that it will be morning again?). And plurality. Thanks fausty for that. Good eye!

I don't know WestCoastDidds---is this ultra-friendly post almost entirely devoid of content typical?

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

Is Shraeye more likely town or scum for being cagey?

But certainly vote: joth

I don't understand any of this.


Did you just underline "absurd" from his post?

I did, am I not supposed to underline things in quotes its very possible that a thing we aren't supposed to do. That was the word that struck me as pretty strong so I was highlighting it by underlining. I did it in my post quoting the jimm and I back and forth as well.

I pretty strongly feel like any edits whatsoever to a quote (other than cropping) should be forbidden. Folks cannot be expected to click the link and go back to the original post to verify the original content. Maybe if you make it *very clear* that you added the bolding or whatever, but even still there are better ways to highlight portions of posts.

Did you just underline "absurd" from his post?

I did, am I not supposed to underline things in quotes its very possible that a thing we aren't supposed to do. That was the word that struck me as pretty strong so I was highlighting it by underlining. I did it in my post quoting the jimm and I back and forth as well.

I get this is a joke but I do think we should shut this kind of thing down.




Ok basically caught up. Gonna Vote: Awaclus

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« Reply #106 on: July 25, 2024, 11:03:40 am »

Hi hi hi hi hi!

I’ve missed you all so much! I have so many questions for all of you about your lives and new and exciting life events. I’ll try to refrain because I don’t liked being called fluffy but know that I am burning with buroisty. EFHW, it killed me not to be able to say hi because the thread was locked. I’m kicking myself for not figuring out some other way than f.ds to send you a message.

I’m soaking up the set up talk, although my guess is that it won’t help me much until Day 2 when someone can actually explain what happened instead of what can happen.

Deadline is Monday evening at 8, and likely too late for our euro friends (just faust, Awa, and thief? And for Jimmm it’s so late that it will be morning again?). And plurality. Thanks fausty for that. Good eye!

I don't know WestCoastDidds---is this ultra-friendly post almost entirely devoid of content typical?

emphatically yes, as I think pretty much anyone will tell you
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« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2024, 11:04:58 am »

Hi hi hi hi hi!

I’ve missed you all so much! I have so many questions for all of you about your lives and new and exciting life events. I’ll try to refrain because I don’t liked being called fluffy but know that I am burning with buroisty. EFHW, it killed me not to be able to say hi because the thread was locked. I’m kicking myself for not figuring out some other way than f.ds to send you a message.

I’m soaking up the set up talk, although my guess is that it won’t help me much until Day 2 when someone can actually explain what happened instead of what can happen.

Deadline is Monday evening at 8, and likely too late for our euro friends (just faust, Awa, and thief? And for Jimmm it’s so late that it will be morning again?). And plurality. Thanks fausty for that. Good eye!

I don't know WestCoastDidds---is this ultra-friendly post almost entirely devoid of content typical?
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« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2024, 11:45:58 am »

Hot take, mcmc is not posting by voice-to-text software or whatever I remember him doing a few games back.

I am indeed not doing that, I think if I remember correctly I was on vacation or something where I only had phone and didn't want to type. Anywho back home at and the computer

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« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2024, 11:46:26 am »

Did you just underline "absurd" from his post?

I did, am I not supposed to underline things in quotes its very possible that a thing we aren't supposed to do. That was the word that struck me as pretty strong so I was highlighting it by underlining. I did it in my post quoting the jimm and I back and forth as well.

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« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2024, 11:46:34 am »

Hi hi hi hi hi!

I’ve missed you all so much! I have so many questions for all of you about your lives and new and exciting life events. I’ll try to refrain because I don’t liked being called fluffy but know that I am burning with buroisty. EFHW, it killed me not to be able to say hi because the thread was locked. I’m kicking myself for not figuring out some other way than f.ds to send you a message.

I’m soaking up the set up talk, although my guess is that it won’t help me much until Day 2 when someone can actually explain what happened instead of what can happen.

Deadline is Monday evening at 8, and likely too late for our euro friends (just faust, Awa, and thief? And for Jimmm it’s so late that it will be morning again?). And plurality. Thanks fausty for that. Good eye!

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Yes, it's the most Didds post the has ever Diddsed.

Can confirm the diddsiness of the post.

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« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2024, 12:03:15 pm »

Please don't project stuff onto my words that I never said.

How are we supposed to find scum if we can't read more into what they said than what's explicitly there? It's not like scum is going to literally say they're scum.
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« Reply #112 on: July 25, 2024, 12:22:05 pm »

Scummy. The word "wondering" only makes sense if faust is town.

I did consider saying "pretending to wonder" instead, but that didn't seem productive.

Additionally scummy. I agree with infangthief and Awaclus' response seems too comfortable with lazy town play.

I don't want town to play lazily, but if a lot of townies do anyway, getting the exile through is obviously better than failing at that. I also think it creates interesting EOD scenarios when the votes necessarily express a preference about who to exile and who to spare, because a lot of people joining the popular wagon just to get literally any exile through is not a thing.
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« Reply #113 on: July 25, 2024, 12:25:37 pm »

I pretty strongly feel like any edits whatsoever to a quote (other than cropping) should be forbidden. Folks cannot be expected to click the link and go back to the original post to verify the original content. Maybe if you make it *very clear* that you added the bolding or whatever, but even still there are better ways to highlight portions of posts.

Well, it's clearly not against the rules. Do you think we should policy exile anyone who edits a quote for any reason?
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« Reply #114 on: July 25, 2024, 12:28:20 pm »

I am 100% okay with being characterized as ultra-friendly because true, but I’m salty about being charged with contentlessness.  It was my first post in a game when I got up this morning. There isn’t much to say yet.

Hey, where Robz? And Scola?

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« Reply #115 on: July 25, 2024, 01:37:13 pm »

Didds, I want your opinion...

Who is the #1 most content-full player right now?

Non-posters aside, who is the #1 least content-full?

Feel free to ignore either question, too.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #116 on: July 25, 2024, 02:04:32 pm »

Most, probably Mcmc
Least... probably Jimmm, but time zones. Its like 4 am there.

Not sure that it matters much right now, though. D1 is hard and slow, to me.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #117 on: July 25, 2024, 02:42:06 pm »

Something that's more important than setup speculation is the fact that we have plurality exile and relatively short days. We need a certain amount of discipline when it comes to end-of-Day wagoning to make sure we don't accidentally land on one of our PRs.
What discipline do you recommend?
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #118 on: July 25, 2024, 02:58:54 pm »

So Cuzz, are you a member of the Mafia?

Nope!
Nice to know!

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

Is Shraeye more likely town or scum for being cagey?

But certainly vote: joth

I don't understand any of this.
mcmcsalot "100% agreed" with shraeye's posts above that and somehow got from there to voting joth, I'm not sure how. Anyway I felt like contrasting it with a 100% statement of my own.

I think I also agree with shraeye's posts, but what I was more sure about was that shraeye was being careful to add "unfortunately" and "in my mind" which seemed over-the-top-cautious. I've not played with shraeye before so I don't know if they're normally like that.

I agree with mcmcsalot's and Didds's assessment of joth's strong wording seeming out of place, and I'm feeling towny about mcmc, so I'm sheeping that vote.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #119 on: July 25, 2024, 03:15:31 pm »

Something that's more important than setup speculation is the fact that we have plurality exile and relatively short days. We need a certain amount of discipline when it comes to end-of-Day wagoning to make sure we don't accidentally land on one of our PRs.
What discipline do you recommend?
It tough and depends on the game state. Most importantly probably: Not slack off early, we want some good wagons running pretty quick. If you're gonna join a late wagon, you better have some very good reason for it.

Personally, I won't be around at the deadline, and I suspect neither will other Europeans. There should be time enough to allow for potential claims. Of course the discipline runs the other way too: People who can't be around for the deadline should do their best to make their cases beforehand, and address any questions or cases as best they can (and decide whether they need to claim).
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #120 on: July 25, 2024, 03:21:19 pm »

Please don't project stuff onto my words that I never said.

How are we supposed to find scum if we can't read more into what they said than what's explicitly there? It's not like scum is going to literally say they're scum.
Well, that's true in a sense. It was just a pretty wild jump for me to go from me asking "is Swowl town or scum for this?" to "You have a totally unjustified scumread on Swowl".

I didn't have a scumread, and if joth had asked that's what I might have told him. I suspect the same would be true if I was scum. It doesn't make sense to imagine a scumread and to use that as a basis for your own opinions.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #121 on: July 25, 2024, 03:26:39 pm »

I am 100% okay with being characterized as ultra-friendly because true, but I’m salty about being charged with contentlessness.
Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you. I just wanted to say that the post was very much like you. Some people feel a strong need to produce content from the get-go and others ease into it. I don't think one is better than the other.

My personality is very much the way that I feel more comfortable getting down to business, but that's also just in part a deficiency in social skills.
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« Reply #122 on: July 25, 2024, 03:52:48 pm »

I’m just picked a scumread as an example because it was funnier. My point was that you couldn’t tell either way. I wasn’t meaning to imply you were scumreading Swowl. It was just a silly question. And it’s not like faust to ask silly questions.

faust is actually playing a subtly different game than I’ve come to expect from him. He’s being nicer and more expansive. Being nicer than usual is way more of a scumtell than being more aggressive than usual.
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« Reply #123 on: July 25, 2024, 03:53:38 pm »

Of course it’s been years since we’ve played together so all of us have a reason for a slightly changed meta.
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« Reply #124 on: July 25, 2024, 04:22:20 pm »

Hi all!

I've been trying to follow along with everything posted so far, but am pretty busy to post anything useful. Nothing immediately jumped out to me from my quick reading, I'll try to find some time later tonight.

That said, even though it's been a while, I still hate D1. :)

Especially with MiX as moderator / not in the game, because my usual D1 is trying to figure him out.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #125 on: July 25, 2024, 04:29:32 pm »

Of course it’s been years since we’ve played together so all of us have a reason for a slightly changed meta.

Well, especially if the "changed meta" is just being friendlier than usual. I think that's true of more or less everyone so far, including Didds, and it's probably just a natural consequence of being excited to play a game together after a long time of not having all that much interaction.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #126 on: July 25, 2024, 04:36:20 pm »

Having Awaclus come to my defense is definitely new!

If the last years have made it so that my meta changed to be nicer, then that's just a win for everyone in my books. I also feel like I've often been at my most aggressive as scum but oh well... referencing past games just isn't going to happen this time around, all I have for you are vibes.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #127 on: July 25, 2024, 04:37:18 pm »

Oh and the deadline is not super inconvenient for me, I sometimes go to bed later than that anyway (and sometimes like an hour earlier, but I can stay up an extra hour pretty easily).
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #128 on: July 25, 2024, 04:41:42 pm »

Having Awaclus come to my defense is definitely new!

Don't get the wrong idea! I'm still voting for you, it's just that that particular argument seemed like a distraction.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #129 on: July 25, 2024, 05:27:38 pm »

Hi.

It's certainly been a while. About three years, I think, for me. Every now and then, I go back and re-read some of the old games. We had some good ones!

Actually, it may have been exactly three years. I think the last game I played in, or at least the last one I remember participating in, was the Marvel characters one where we—we the scum, I mean—pulled off the SpaceAnemone gambit, which was one of the coolest tricks of all time. I take no credit for it; I fought the idea, and I also got exiled early... on my IRL birthday no less. (Which is in three weeks.)

Okay, on to this game. I don't really think setup talk is townie or scummy. I for one find it real difficult to come up with worthwhile things to say on Day 1. And it's been a while for a lot of us right? Really, townies and mafia feel pressured to come up with things to say on Day 1.

Of the people in this game, Joth is the person I've been playing with the longest. (Since Mafia 2, I think? That must have been in 2012 or something. Wow.) I think my ability to tell if he's scum is slightly higher than average. He doesn't seem scummy to me so far.

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #130 on: July 25, 2024, 05:28:45 pm »

Disclosure: I vastly prefer playing as mafia, and am known for being a much more useful scum player than town player, sadly. I'm going to TRY to be active and helpful this game, though.
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« Reply #131 on: July 25, 2024, 05:29:25 pm »

Not for like 10 years lol. I've been an academic nomad, was in Chicago for quite a while, and now settled in the DC area.

You're in DC! Me too.
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« Reply #132 on: July 25, 2024, 05:45:26 pm »

Thanks Robz. Good to see you too.

Can we talk about Cuzz’s reason for voting for Awaclus? It’s more substantive than 90% of the votes today so far, but I am of two minds about whether it’s actually any good. Could be the sort of slip that seems scummy but is actually just careless town wording.

Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?
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« Reply #133 on: July 25, 2024, 05:48:57 pm »

Thanks Robz. Good to see you too.

Can we talk about Cuzz’s reason for voting for Awaclus? It’s more substantive than 90% of the votes today so far, but I am of two minds about whether it’s actually any good. Could be the sort of slip that seems scummy but is actually just careless town wording.

Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?

I don’t at all agree with Awaclus that Faust was scummy for what he said, and I also disagree with Cuzz that it made Awaclus is scummy. So I am not impressed with the case against Awaclus, but I also don’t find Cuzz scummy because of it.
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« Reply #134 on: July 25, 2024, 05:52:26 pm »

Specifically I’m referring to this:



Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?

Vote: faust

Scummy. The word "wondering" only makes sense if faust is town.


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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #135 on: July 25, 2024, 05:52:36 pm »

A few weeks ago I read some of one of the first Mafia games on here, M2, or MII or however they were numbered. Day 1 had all this "you have to be nice to people, don't actually place a vote anywhere that's a bit extreme, just voice some suspicions".

I'm all for being nice, and wish I was better at it, but I'm glad we're fine with slinging votes around too.

Didds, do you want to come and vote for joth? Or do you feel like helping joth find a reason he can vote for mcmcsalot?
Awaclus, did you really consider saying "pretending to wonder"? I find that hard to believe.

oh, hi Robz. And yes you and joth were both in Mafia 2.
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« Reply #136 on: July 25, 2024, 05:55:33 pm »

Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?
Why would you say this? If you think it is that kind of case why not wait and see who jumps on to it?
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« Reply #137 on: July 25, 2024, 05:59:54 pm »

I don’t know how to word it exactly but robz first post strikes me as too “talking about things without saying anything” which is scummy. Though he is correct he is much better as scum and it’s actually a post I would expect scum!robz to reread and go “that sounds too much talking about things without saying anything” and come in more direct with a take on something a’la his second and third posts. So town reading robz for now.

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.
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« Reply #138 on: July 25, 2024, 06:03:05 pm »

Can we talk about Cuzz’s reason for voting for Awaclus? It’s more substantive than 90% of the votes today so far
Fun fact, there have been exactly 10 votes today so far, so 90% is exactly the right percentage to pick if you think it is the most substantive :)
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« Reply #139 on: July 25, 2024, 06:04:01 pm »

Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?
Why would you say this? If you think it is that kind of case why not wait and see who jumps on to it?

I would posit he says that because he is town and actually concerned with finding out if this is a good wagon on scum!awaclus or an easy misexhile on town!awaclus

It’s very bold of scum!joth to say this in the event Awaclus is town because it would indeed be a safe and easy wagon to join especially with me still having been voting him. So I lean even more town on joth.
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« Reply #140 on: July 25, 2024, 06:08:22 pm »

Yes I lean very town on joth.
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« Reply #141 on: July 25, 2024, 06:08:48 pm »

It is 1 vote, hardly a wagon.
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« Reply #142 on: July 25, 2024, 06:27:13 pm »

It is 1 vote, hardly a wagon.

Sure but all I’m saying is none of the prior interactions suggest to me scum!joth and scum!awaclus and with me voting joth and a reasonable vote on awaclus which joth is stating some level of support for it would be unlikely to me that scum!Joth takes this time to try and grab towncred by voicing concern rather than just outright joining in voting awaclus.
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Re: ZM25 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #143 on: July 25, 2024, 07:01:10 pm »

I pretty strongly feel like any edits whatsoever to a quote (other than cropping) should be forbidden. Folks cannot be expected to click the link and go back to the original post to verify the original content. Maybe if you make it *very clear* that you added the bolding or whatever, but even still there are better ways to highlight portions of posts.

Well, it's clearly not against the rules. Do you think we should policy exile anyone who edits a quote for any reason?

I actually thought that maybe this was a rule, so certainly not clear to me. But that's definitely not at all what I was implying, and this is a weird response. I just meant it maybe should be sort of an unwritten rule, just as like a sportsmanship thing. I don't necessarily think anything was done in bad faith here. 
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« Reply #144 on: July 25, 2024, 08:07:40 pm »

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

I feel like you were hunting for an adjective to describe shraeye's 2 relevant posts. Cagey doesn't seem to fit to me.
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« Reply #145 on: July 25, 2024, 08:11:37 pm »

Well, there  are various ways in which that could be a scum tell. Generally speaking, scum is more likely to be aware of the setup because they presumably would have talked about it already. In some cases it is beneficial for town to not draw attention to a certain detail in the setup in the hopes that scum will not be alerted to it, and then pointing it out can be a scum tell.

I'm not a fan of these types of arguments, as they incentivise people to not know what's going on. Town, read the setup.
Also I'm sure between them scum are more than capable of finding relevant details in the OP.
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« Reply #146 on: July 25, 2024, 08:14:35 pm »

Please don't project stuff onto my words that I never said.

How are we supposed to find scum if we can't read more into what they said than what's explicitly there? It's not like scum is going to literally say they're scum.

Scum are entitled to ask you to not find them scummy.
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« Reply #147 on: July 25, 2024, 08:16:38 pm »

Least... probably Jimmm, but time zones. Its like 4 am there.

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« Reply #148 on: July 25, 2024, 09:12:41 pm »

Awaclus, did you really consider saying "pretending to wonder"? I find that hard to believe.

Yes, which I distinctively remember because that was the only meaningful wording choice to make in that post. For reference, I spent 4 minutes wording the one-liner after that, as you can sort-of-verify from the timestamps.

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?
Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.

In general, I tend to think about wordings pretty carefully, and very few things I say are the only alternative wording that was considered. My playstyle wouldn't really work otherwise.
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« Reply #149 on: July 25, 2024, 09:43:48 pm »

Vote Count 1.1

faust (2): Awaclus, joth
joth (1): infangthief
mcmcsalot (1): Jimmmmm
infangthief (1): faust
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
scolapasta (1): Didds
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« Reply #150 on: July 26, 2024, 02:02:02 am »

apologies everyone.
I had a uhm... an issue with flies in my house today. I was 100% sure I could handle it.. and uh... I was wrong... the flies won.

Fun fact. Flies can make like nests or something in shower drains, and if you piss them off... they just like... swarm. So yeah, that's been my day.

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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #151 on: July 26, 2024, 02:05:47 am »

Ah, it has begun!

It's good to catch that there are no third parties, I missed that because it was weirdly under "bastard" mechanics?

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?
It is, unfortunately, perfectly Swowl-neutral in my mind

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?

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It is, unfortunately, perfectly faust-neutral in my mind

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« Reply #152 on: July 26, 2024, 02:11:27 am »

Didds, I want your opinion...

Who is the #1 most content-full player right now?

Non-posters aside, who is the #1 least content-full?

Feel free to ignore either question, too.

This is a fun question.

I am going to say tie between fang and awa as most full content.
I am going to say Shraeye for least content.

Would you answer your own question?

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« Reply #153 on: July 26, 2024, 02:12:03 am »

Vote: Shraeye for now

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« Reply #154 on: July 26, 2024, 02:17:05 am »

Vote: Jimmmmm
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« Reply #155 on: July 26, 2024, 02:17:58 am »

I 100% agree with Shraeye and in fact vote: joth

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I find this to be a silly question. Setup talk is totally faction-neutral. What's the implication? That scum is going to keep mum and hope no one else read the setup so they can keep their SK fakeclaim in their back pocket? Absurd.

vote: faust

These are very strong words from a day 1`townie. Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.

I don’t know how to word it exactly but robz first post strikes me as too “talking about things without saying anything” which is scummy. Though he is correct he is much better as scum and it’s actually a post I would expect scum!robz to reread and go “that sounds too much talking about things without saying anything” and come in more direct with a take on something a’la his second and third posts. So town reading robz for now.

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.

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« Reply #156 on: July 26, 2024, 02:20:25 am »

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

I feel like you were hunting for an adjective to describe shraeye's 2 relevant posts. Cagey doesn't seem to fit to me.

FWIW I disagree with you here Jimmmm. I see what fang was saying. I want to be clear it has 0% reason why I am voting for Shraeye, but I don't think holding it against anyone here is productive.

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« Reply #157 on: July 26, 2024, 02:21:12 am »

I don’t know how to word it exactly but robz first post strikes me as too “talking about things without saying anything” which is scummy. Though he is correct he is much better as scum and it’s actually a post I would expect scum!robz to reread and go “that sounds too much talking about things without saying anything” and come in more direct with a take on something a’la his second and third posts. So town reading robz for now.
I'm quite confused. Is it scummy to do a "talking about things without saying anything" post, or is it towny? Or does it depend on the person? If so, who would it be a scumtell for?
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« Reply #158 on: July 26, 2024, 02:21:44 am »

To faust's point about deadline and no mishaps - I will have no problem at all being around for deadline. I think it would be well done if we had everyone post up on this sooner than later so we know where we stand.

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« Reply #159 on: July 26, 2024, 02:22:22 am »

faust - Jimmm bc fluff?

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« Reply #160 on: July 26, 2024, 02:25:05 am »

faust - Jimmm bc fluff?
That's one way to put it.
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« Reply #161 on: July 26, 2024, 02:26:07 am »

faust - Jimmm bc fluff?
That's one way to put it.

Anything else at this point?

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« Reply #162 on: July 26, 2024, 02:31:48 am »

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« Reply #163 on: July 26, 2024, 02:37:37 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

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« Reply #164 on: July 26, 2024, 04:05:34 am »

faust - Jimmm bc fluff?
That's one way to put it.

Anything else at this point?
Nothing I want to elaborate on for now.
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« Reply #165 on: July 26, 2024, 05:38:07 am »

Cuzz - have you played with Awaclus before?

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« Reply #166 on: July 26, 2024, 05:50:32 am »

To faust's point about deadline and no mishaps - I will have no problem at all being around for deadline. I think it would be well done if we had everyone post up on this sooner than later so we know where we stand.
To elaborate on my own availability - I will be around up until ~3 hours before the deadline.
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« Reply #167 on: July 26, 2024, 06:32:34 am »

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

I feel like you were hunting for an adjective to describe shraeye's 2 relevant posts. Cagey doesn't seem to fit to me.

FWIW I disagree with you here Jimmmm. I see what fang was saying. I want to be clear it has 0% reason why I am voting for Shraeye, but I don't think holding it against anyone here is productive.

"Cagey" to me, and by definition, is "reluctant to give information", ie information is being asked for and could be provided, but is not freely forthcoming. In shraeye's two "Unfortunately perfectly neutral" posts which fang was presumably referring to, the questions weren't specifically directed at shraeye, and "null" is a legitimate answer, and may well be what he truly believes. Hedging, on the fence, yes. But not "cagey" unless you're arguing that shraeye is hiding his true opinion.

...Which, it occurs to me, may have been the point. Was it, fang?
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« Reply #168 on: July 26, 2024, 06:35:16 am »

To faust's point about deadline and no mishaps - I will have no problem at all being around for deadline. I think it would be well done if we had everyone post up on this sooner than later so we know where we stand.
To elaborate on my own availability - I will be around up until ~3 hours before the deadline.

Deadline is 10am for me, which is perfectly fine if we actually wait until deadline. If a hammer came with a few hours to spare I'd likely still be asleep.
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« Reply #169 on: July 26, 2024, 07:03:32 am »

Vote Count 1.1

faust (2): Awaclus, joth
joth (1): infangthief
mcmcsalot (1): Jimmmmm
infangthief (1): faust
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
scolapasta (1): Didds
Not Voting (5): Robz888, shraeye, Swowl, scolapasta, mcmcsalot

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« Reply #170 on: July 26, 2024, 07:25:40 am »

To faust's point about deadline and no mishaps - I will have no problem at all being around for deadline. I think it would be well done if we had everyone post up on this sooner than later so we know where we stand.
I won't be around for the deadline. On deadline day I'll probably be around like 7-11am, and again about 5pm (all forum time). Deadline 8pm.
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« Reply #171 on: July 26, 2024, 07:31:56 am »

I 100% agree with Shraeye and in fact vote: joth

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I find this to be a silly question. Setup talk is totally faction-neutral. What's the implication? That scum is going to keep mum and hope no one else read the setup so they can keep their SK fakeclaim in their back pocket? Absurd.

vote: faust

These are very strong words from a day 1`townie. Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.

I don’t know how to word it exactly but robz first post strikes me as too “talking about things without saying anything” which is scummy. Though he is correct he is much better as scum and it’s actually a post I would expect scum!robz to reread and go “that sounds too much talking about things without saying anything” and come in more direct with a take on something a’la his second and third posts. So town reading robz for now.

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.

MCMC - given all that - how do you feel about Shraeye rn?

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« Reply #172 on: July 26, 2024, 07:42:37 am »

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

I feel like you were hunting for an adjective to describe shraeye's 2 relevant posts. Cagey doesn't seem to fit to me.

FWIW I disagree with you here Jimmmm. I see what fang was saying. I want to be clear it has 0% reason why I am voting for Shraeye, but I don't think holding it against anyone here is productive.

"Cagey" to me, and by definition, is "reluctant to give information", ie information is being asked for and could be provided, but is not freely forthcoming. In shraeye's two "Unfortunately perfectly neutral" posts which fang was presumably referring to, the questions weren't specifically directed at shraeye, and "null" is a legitimate answer, and may well be what he truly believes. Hedging, on the fence, yes. But not "cagey" unless you're arguing that shraeye is hiding his true opinion.

...Which, it occurs to me, may have been the point. Was it, fang?

No. By cagey I meant the opposite of bold. Instead of objectively "this is neutral" it was like "to my mind, I think this is neutral". I think he is stating his true opinion, and doing so in a way which makes it clear that other people may have other opinions.
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« Reply #173 on: July 26, 2024, 07:44:25 am »

I don’t know how to word it exactly but robz first post strikes me as too “talking about things without saying anything” which is scummy. Though he is correct he is much better as scum and it’s actually a post I would expect scum!robz to reread and go “that sounds too much talking about things without saying anything” and come in more direct with a take on something a’la his second and third posts. So town reading robz for now.
I'm quite confused. Is it scummy to do a "talking about things without saying anything" post, or is it towny? Or does it depend on the person? If so, who would it be a scumtell for?

I think it depends on the person. I think scum generally wants to seem like they are talking a lot but they don’t really want to provide helpful content. However scum also has the option to be more of a driver of conversation/wagons. That’s the general point and I think players that are typically very helpful as town want to seem like they are talking lots as scum. I would probably toss you in that category shraeye a bit as well.
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« Reply #174 on: July 26, 2024, 07:44:45 am »

Dang do you think being cagey is scummy?
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« Reply #175 on: July 26, 2024, 07:45:02 am »

Dang do you think being cagey is scummy?

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« Reply #176 on: July 26, 2024, 07:47:39 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?
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« Reply #177 on: July 26, 2024, 07:58:05 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

What sort of information?
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« Reply #178 on: July 26, 2024, 08:00:39 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

What sort of information?

General mass reads lists. We used to do reads lists all the time and I feel like we realized scum uses that to know which misexhiles they can get over the hump.
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« Reply #179 on: July 26, 2024, 08:02:44 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?
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« Reply #180 on: July 26, 2024, 08:12:47 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.
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« Reply #181 on: July 26, 2024, 08:16:08 am »

The question didn't ask for a list, just top read/s.
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« Reply #182 on: July 26, 2024, 08:23:07 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?
I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.
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« Reply #183 on: July 26, 2024, 08:24:18 am »

Vote: mcmc
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« Reply #184 on: July 26, 2024, 08:24:21 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads?

It sort of does.

How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

By thinking about who we think is scum and playing such that they get exiled. At the end of the day (as a figure of speech but also literally), you more or less have to vote for someone you'd be happy to exile, which necessarily reveals that to everyone. It's also often worth it to have some negotiations at EOD including actual preferences so that we get an exile with a bit more of a consensus behind it, because those exiles tend to be better. In those cases, it's worth doing because of the concrete benefits, but by default, letting scum know what you're thinking is a substantial advantage for scum and it would be better to avoid doing that without a purpose.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #185 on: July 26, 2024, 08:25:12 am »

The question didn't ask for a list, just top read/s.

All the same feels like people give their top scum read with their vote. Providing your top read really just serves to let scum know where they should and shouldn’t throw votes at.

To clarify this is something I thing town does frequently but is more helpful for scum
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« Reply #186 on: July 26, 2024, 08:27:18 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?
I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.

I did not pick up on that at all why did he not also ask for scola pastas vote?
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« Reply #187 on: July 26, 2024, 08:27:21 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.
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« Reply #188 on: July 26, 2024, 08:33:44 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.

What makes you say that? Town reads are just as helpful for scum as scum reads when they are trying to decide what wagons will result in exhiled and which won’t. Which is what I said
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« Reply #189 on: July 26, 2024, 08:36:55 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.

What makes you say that? Town reads are just as helpful for scum as scum reads when they are trying to decide what wagons will result in exhiled and which won’t. Which is what I said

Fair enough.
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« Reply #190 on: July 26, 2024, 08:38:28 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads?

It sort of does.

How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

By thinking about who we think is scum and playing such that they get exiled. At the end of the day (as a figure of speech but also literally), you more or less have to vote for someone you'd be happy to exile, which necessarily reveals that to everyone. It's also often worth it to have some negotiations at EOD including actual preferences so that we get an exile with a bit more of a consensus behind it, because those exiles tend to be better. In those cases, it's worth doing because of the concrete benefits, but by default, letting scum know what you're thinking is a substantial advantage for scum and it would be better to avoid doing that without a purpose.

I don't really see the difference between "content" (as opposed to fluff or lurking) and "letting scum know what you're thinking". Of course not every single thought a person has is helpful to share, but I don't see that as a reason to avoid engaging with questions about reads.
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« Reply #191 on: July 26, 2024, 08:44:38 am »

Dang do you think being cagey is scummy?

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Depends on the player. And on the game situation.

Which is why I thought it relevant to ask whether shraeye was more likely to talk like that as town or as scum. For some reason I had in my mind that shraeye was a bold reckless MiX-like player. From reading other games. But I might have misremembered. Or I might have only read drunk mafia. And I have no idea whether shraeye was town or scum or even mod in those games. I could go and read some again, but I probably won't bother for now.

Shraeye, do you prefer to be cautious or bold in your Mafia game comments?
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« Reply #192 on: July 26, 2024, 08:48:08 am »

It's funny to me that this community never gets past this meta-conversation about how mafia ought to be played. I mean, this is game 140 (with many many more if you include bastard and blitz games) and we're still talking mafia 101.
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« Reply #193 on: July 26, 2024, 08:52:56 am »

Awaclus, did you really consider saying "pretending to wonder"? I find that hard to believe.

Yes, which I distinctively remember because that was the only meaningful wording choice to make in that post. For reference, I spent 4 minutes wording the one-liner after that, as you can sort-of-verify from the timestamps.

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?
Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.

In general, I tend to think about wordings pretty carefully, and very few things I say are the only alternative wording that was considered. My playstyle wouldn't really work otherwise.

I suppose we never (normally) get to see the things which you thought about posting but didn't. The "pretending to wonder" version of the post would have seemed (to me) very non-Awaclusian. So I was intrigued that you had considered it. Interesting.
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« Reply #194 on: July 26, 2024, 08:54:12 am »

It's funny to me that this community never gets past this meta-conversation about how mafia ought to be played. I mean, this is game 140 (with many many more if you include bastard and blitz games) and we're still talking mafia 101.

edge case  edge case edge case.

What else do you expect for a forum of game theory addicts playing a relatively simple party game ported over to a text based word counting quote dragging high stakes game of right and wrong.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #195 on: July 26, 2024, 09:03:06 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?
I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.
That's a pretty lazy approach (especially for early day 1, when people are likely to move around plenty still) just picking the people currently in the "not voting" category. mcmcsalot in particular had already shared quite a lot readwise.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #196 on: July 26, 2024, 09:48:12 am »

To faust's point about deadline and no mishaps - I will have no problem at all being around for deadline. I think it would be well done if we had everyone post up on this sooner than later so we know where we stand.

I will be around for deadline, unless I forget.
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« Reply #197 on: July 26, 2024, 09:50:45 am »

I don’t know how to word it exactly but robz first post strikes me as too “talking about things without saying anything” which is scummy. Though he is correct he is much better as scum and it’s actually a post I would expect scum!robz to reread and go “that sounds too much talking about things without saying anything” and come in more direct with a take on something a’la his second and third posts. So town reading robz for now.
I'm quite confused. Is it scummy to do a "talking about things without saying anything" post, or is it towny? Or does it depend on the person? If so, who would it be a scumtell for?

I think it depends on the person. I think scum generally wants to seem like they are talking a lot but they don’t really want to provide helpful content. However scum also has the option to be more of a driver of conversation/wagons. That’s the general point and I think players that are typically very helpful as town want to seem like they are talking lots as scum. I would probably toss you in that category shraeye a bit as well.

My view, going back a thousand games, is that scum posts are carefully constructed so as not to offend, and town posts are a bit looser. Of course it depends on the player. And then one can also pen looser posts in hope of seeming more townie, as scum.
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« Reply #198 on: July 26, 2024, 09:53:06 am »

Vote: scola

Because I don’t remember them saying anything of significance so far.
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« Reply #199 on: July 26, 2024, 10:07:25 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?
I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.

I did not pick up on that at all why did he not also ask for scola pastas vote?
It says Pasta right there...
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« Reply #200 on: July 26, 2024, 10:34:17 am »

Awaclus, did you really consider saying "pretending to wonder"? I find that hard to believe.

Yes, which I distinctively remember because that was the only meaningful wording choice to make in that post. For reference, I spent 4 minutes wording the one-liner after that, as you can sort-of-verify from the timestamps.

Are you more likely town or scum for wondering this?
Why not? We can still exile normally as long as we do it on time, plexile is just a fail-safe so that we don't accidentally skip a turn without doing anything.

In general, I tend to think about wordings pretty carefully, and very few things I say are the only alternative wording that was considered. My playstyle wouldn't really work otherwise.
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« Reply #201 on: July 26, 2024, 10:36:17 am »

Least... probably Jimmm, but time zones. Its like 4 am there.

:o Are you calling me fluffy?

Like this. We all know Jimmmm is fluffy. Famously fluffy in fact.  Perfect word, thanks Jimmmm.

But cagey was not as perfect for for shraeye. Why is shraeye cagey?
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« Reply #202 on: July 26, 2024, 10:39:54 am »

Oh, fang already answered. Just disregard my blabbering
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« Reply #203 on: July 26, 2024, 10:42:39 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.

I'm willing to give up my fourth-from-top scum read, if anybody cares to ask
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« Reply #204 on: July 26, 2024, 10:43:55 am »

Would that not generalise to any reads? How can we exile scum without talking about who we think is scum?

Your questions is sort of akin to asking "How can we share any information without sharing all of the information?"

We just share the reads that are immediately relevant and keep others to ourselves.

Also, mcmc's particular concern seemed to be about giving away our top scum reads.

I'm willing to give up my fourth-from-top scum read, if anybody cares to ask

What is your fourth from top scum read
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« Reply #205 on: July 26, 2024, 10:49:12 am »

Or I might have only read drunk mafia. And I have no idea whether shraeye was town or scum or even mod in those games.
Probably all three at once; drunk mafia is best mafia.


Shraeye, do you prefer to be cautious or bold in your Mafia game comments?
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« Reply #206 on: July 26, 2024, 10:52:55 am »

What is your fourth from top scum read


Ok, I actually pulled up the player-list and decided to tackle this question seriously (seriously).

It's scolapasta.
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« Reply #207 on: July 26, 2024, 11:01:30 am »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?
I thought it was pretty obvious that Swowl was addressing the people currently not voting.

I did not pick up on that at all why did he not also ask for scola pastas vote?
It says Pasta right there...
Ah right my bad for not recognizing that?
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« Reply #208 on: July 26, 2024, 11:03:40 am »

Cuzz - have you played with Awaclus before?

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« Reply #209 on: July 26, 2024, 11:12:57 am »

What is your fourth from top scum read


Ok, I actually pulled up the player-list and decided to tackle this question seriously (seriously).

It's scolapasta.

Hmm.
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« Reply #210 on: July 26, 2024, 11:15:27 am »

What is your fourth from top scum read


Ok, I actually pulled up the player-list and decided to tackle this question seriously (seriously).

It's scolapasta.

Hmm.

What can anyone possibly find interesting about this?
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« Reply #211 on: July 26, 2024, 11:18:42 am »

What is your fourth from top scum read


Ok, I actually pulled up the player-list and decided to tackle this question seriously (seriously).

It's scolapasta.

Hmm.

What can anyone possibly find interesting about this?

I was trying to decide whether it was scummy to name your allegedly fourth-from-top scum read, without explanation.
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« Reply #212 on: July 26, 2024, 11:19:48 am »

What is your fourth from top scum read


Ok, I actually pulled up the player-list and decided to tackle this question seriously (seriously).

It's scolapasta.

Hmm.

What can anyone possibly find interesting about this?

I was trying to decide whether it was scummy to name your allegedly fourth-from-top scum read, without explanation.

What did you decide?
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« Reply #213 on: July 26, 2024, 11:20:30 am »

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.
Where/how did joth remind you that the two of you very often find yourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment?
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« Reply #214 on: July 26, 2024, 11:40:57 am »

I am 100% okay with being characterized as ultra-friendly because true, but I’m salty about being charged with contentlessness.
Sorry, I didn't mean to attack you. I just wanted to say that the post was very much like you. Some people feel a strong need to produce content from the get-go and others ease into it. I don't think one is better than the other.

My personality is very much the way that I feel more comfortable getting down to business, but that's also just in part a deficiency in social skills.

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« Reply #215 on: July 26, 2024, 11:44:22 am »

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.
Where/how did joth remind you that the two of you very often find yourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment?

Being a little aggro is ok sometimes.

I heard we have short days and need to get some real wagons going.

One of those wagons being on me is… well I’m used to it.

fang is reading pretty towny to me.

Torn between staying on Faust and throwing out an OMGUS on mcmc, but for now I’ll leave it to less biased people to say whether his vote for me was scummy.

Him saying he is tempted to OMGUS vote me while acknowledging he is biased toward me made me recall the fact that we often find ourselves voting eachother. Or at least that is my recollection of things from years ago.
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« Reply #216 on: July 26, 2024, 11:44:52 am »


Didds, do you want to come and vote for joth? Or do you feel like helping joth find a reason he can vote for mcmcsalot?


Nah, I'm good with voting for Scola for now
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« Reply #217 on: July 26, 2024, 11:46:50 am »

Least... probably Jimmm, but time zones. Its like 4 am there.

:o Are you calling me fluffy?

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« Reply #218 on: July 26, 2024, 11:55:34 am »

I 100% think that Shraeye is being cagey.

I feel like you were hunting for an adjective to describe shraeye's 2 relevant posts. Cagey doesn't seem to fit to me.

FWIW I disagree with you here Jimmmm. I see what fang was saying. I want to be clear it has 0% reason why I am voting for Shraeye, but I don't think holding it against anyone here is productive.

"Cagey" to me, and by definition, is "reluctant to give information", ie information is being asked for and could be provided, but is not freely forthcoming. In shraeye's two "Unfortunately perfectly neutral" posts which fang was presumably referring to, the questions weren't specifically directed at shraeye, and "null" is a legitimate answer, and may well be what he truly believes. Hedging, on the fence, yes. But not "cagey" unless you're arguing that shraeye is hiding his true opinion.

...Which, it occurs to me, may have been the point. Was it, fang?

No. By cagey I meant the opposite of bold. Instead of objectively "this is neutral" it was like "to my mind, I think this is neutral". I think he is stating his true opinion, and doing so in a way which makes it clear that other people may have other opinions.

I agree with Jimmmmmmmm here.  Hedging or using contingent language isn't really cagey and to me that is not really scummy. Cagey, though, is playing close to the vest in way that is more about a reluctance, or refusal, to share information.  Awaclus is often super cagey.  I usually end up finding is scummy, but that has historically not served me well because it often turns out to be wrong. It is a really different play style than my level of openness, so its hard for me to process.
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« Reply #219 on: July 26, 2024, 11:59:06 am »

Words are important. Gotta find the best words.

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« Reply #220 on: July 26, 2024, 12:00:47 pm »

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.
Where/how did joth remind you that the two of you very often find yourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment?

Being a little aggro is ok sometimes.

I heard we have short days and need to get some real wagons going.

One of those wagons being on me is… well I’m used to it.

fang is reading pretty towny to me.

Torn between staying on Faust and throwing out an OMGUS on mcmc, but for now I’ll leave it to less biased people to say whether his vote for me was scummy.

Him saying he is tempted to OMGUS vote me while acknowledging he is biased toward me made me recall the fact that we often find ourselves voting eachother. Or at least that is my recollection of things from years ago.

Especially without MiX in the game as a player. He and I had an even stronger tendency toward the day 1 1v1.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #221 on: July 26, 2024, 12:01:27 pm »

What is your fourth from top scum read


Ok, I actually pulled up the player-list and decided to tackle this question seriously (seriously).

It's scolapasta.

Hmm.

What can anyone possibly find interesting about this?

I was trying to decide whether it was scummy to name your allegedly fourth-from-top scum read, without explanation.

What did you decide?

Nothing, thus the “hmm”
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« Reply #222 on: July 26, 2024, 12:07:10 pm »

Okay, I am caught up now.  I feel better and better about the Scola vote. 

I should be around today and off and on over the weekend. It's my anniversary so Debatepro and I are doing fancy things to celebrate. Deadline for me is at a pretty reasonable hour, but knowing that it will be hard for faust and fang (Awa is the night owl!), I think we should aim to be good with where are votes are be finished claiming, etc by 5 PM forum time on Monday. Faust and fang, is that too late for you? Jimmmm is it too early?

Does that work for everyone else? Do we want to have an earlier internal deadline or its not worth the hassle?
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« Reply #223 on: July 26, 2024, 12:10:44 pm »

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.
Where/how did joth remind you that the two of you very often find yourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment?

Being a little aggro is ok sometimes.

I heard we have short days and need to get some real wagons going.

One of those wagons being on me is… well I’m used to it.

fang is reading pretty towny to me.

Torn between staying on Faust and throwing out an OMGUS on mcmc, but for now I’ll leave it to less biased people to say whether his vote for me was scummy.

Him saying he is tempted to OMGUS vote me while acknowledging he is biased toward me made me recall the fact that we often find ourselves voting eachother. Or at least that is my recollection of things from years ago.

Especially without MiX in the game as a player. He and I had an even stronger tendency toward the day 1 1v1.
joth is that (your historic 1v1 with mcmc) the thing you meant when you said other people would be less biased than you?
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« Reply #224 on: July 26, 2024, 12:26:23 pm »

Also going to unvote: joth, combination of joth himself reminding me that the two of us very often find ourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment and robz read on him which is typically good.
Where/how did joth remind you that the two of you very often find yourselves wagoning each other regardless of alignment?

Being a little aggro is ok sometimes.

I heard we have short days and need to get some real wagons going.

One of those wagons being on me is… well I’m used to it.

fang is reading pretty towny to me.

Torn between staying on Faust and throwing out an OMGUS on mcmc, but for now I’ll leave it to less biased people to say whether his vote for me was scummy.

Him saying he is tempted to OMGUS vote me while acknowledging he is biased toward me made me recall the fact that we often find ourselves voting eachother. Or at least that is my recollection of things from years ago.

Especially without MiX in the game as a player. He and I had an even stronger tendency toward the day 1 1v1.
joth is that (your historic 1v1 with mcmc) the thing you meant when you said other people would be less biased than you?

a little bit that, but mostly I don't like to vote for someone who's voting for me unless I really strongly suspect them. 1) it looks scummy 2) it rarely accomplishes anything because people write it off as OMGUS whether it is or not and 3) (and to your point) it just introduces a bias that makes me trust my own read less.
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« Reply #225 on: July 26, 2024, 12:35:07 pm »

I think there is a Town role that matters, and I think that Skum has more info than we do.

what makes you think these two things are true?
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« Reply #226 on: July 26, 2024, 12:42:40 pm »

this is awkward, coming moments after I said I don't like voting for people who are voting for me, but

vote: fang

For a couple of reasons. While everyone has been sort of starting there own wagons, fang hopped right on the first one that looked like it had legs (it didn't, in fact, turn out to have legs).

But the real kicker is that he then tried to subtly goad Didds into joining and making it a real wagon.

It's a little on the nose for scum play, but then I didn't notice it until re-read. Best case I've got as of now.
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« Reply #227 on: July 26, 2024, 12:47:26 pm »

this is awkward, coming moments after I said I don't like voting for people who are voting for me, but

vote: fang

For a couple of reasons. While everyone has been sort of starting there own wagons, fang hopped right on the first one that looked like it had legs (it didn't, in fact, turn out to have legs).

But the real kicker is that he then tried to subtly goad Didds into joining and making it a real wagon.

It's a little on the nose for scum play, but then I didn't notice it until re-read. Best case I've got as of now.

Where was the didds goading?
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« Reply #228 on: July 26, 2024, 12:48:19 pm »

A few weeks ago I read some of one of the first Mafia games on here, M2, or MII or however they were numbered. Day 1 had all this "you have to be nice to people, don't actually place a vote anywhere that's a bit extreme, just voice some suspicions".

I'm all for being nice, and wish I was better at it, but I'm glad we're fine with slinging votes around too.

Didds, do you want to come and vote for joth? Or do you feel like helping joth find a reason he can vote for mcmcsalot?
Awaclus, did you really consider saying "pretending to wonder"? I find that hard to believe.

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« Reply #229 on: July 26, 2024, 12:49:32 pm »

Okay, I'll bite.

Vote: fang
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« Reply #230 on: July 26, 2024, 12:54:44 pm »

Man, checking in now and 5 new pages! Lots to catch up.

I did lie yesterday when I said I'd try to reread last night - well, it was truthful at the time, but then a last minute let's drive to the beach for the weekend derailed that plan.

So I get the votes for me, with limited posts and no real content. It's something scumpasta would do. But it also something scolatown would do too, so 🤷

I could be around for deadline, but also prefer if we solidify earlier, as by 8pm, I'm possibly at dinner, would otherwise be busy. I guess that's also a good thing about plurality.

From my quick reading, I'm leaning mcmc and fang, and am happy to put a vote in once there's another vote count. (since I don't have time to tally up where we are since last vote count).
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« Reply #231 on: July 26, 2024, 12:56:04 pm »

Re: the person who said I was their 4th read and what you can learn form that.

Just that I don't seem particularly scummy or towny to then. Whcih seems reasonable to me based on the one post I had up to that point.

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« Reply #232 on: July 26, 2024, 02:14:56 pm »

Vote: mcmc

Because of the thing
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« Reply #233 on: July 26, 2024, 02:32:59 pm »

Robz Shraeye Pasta MCMC where yall at top read wise?

I feel like we have played out this topic quite a bit and this sort of information is objectively more helpful to scum.

Why specifically these players?

What sort of information?

General mass reads lists. We used to do reads lists all the time and I feel like we realized scum uses that to know which misexhiles they can get over the hump.

Not asking for a top reads list. Was just poking people for where they were at. And yes I did post it at the people not voting bc those are the ones that I am curious about.

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« Reply #234 on: July 26, 2024, 02:34:25 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

I’m gonna be a dad!!!!

Just found out this morning!!!!

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« Reply #235 on: July 26, 2024, 02:36:19 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

I’m gonna be a dad!!!!

Just found out this morning!!!!
Oh wow, congratulations!

I hope you can manage to beat the flies and reclaim your home in time.
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« Reply #236 on: July 26, 2024, 02:40:47 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

I’m gonna be a dad!!!!

Just found out this morning!!!!

Woo! I too am about to embark on that journey... although I found out about 5 months ago. Expecting the baby in mid-October.
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« Reply #237 on: July 26, 2024, 02:42:43 pm »

Unofficial vote count time!

faust (1): Awaclus
joth (1): infangthief
mcmcsalot (3): Jimmmmm, faust, shraeye
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
scolapasta (1): Didds
shraeye (1): Swowl
infangthief (2): joth, Robz888
Not Voting (2): scolapasta, mcmcsalot

No guarantees.
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« Reply #238 on: July 26, 2024, 02:43:22 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

I’m gonna be a dad!!!!

Just found out this morning!!!!

Woo! I too am about to embark on that journey... although I found out about 5 months ago. Expecting the baby in mid-October.

Congrats to you both! It is an amazing adventure, however get your mafia'ing in in the next few months lol. Mine are 2 and 4 and the mental energy for this has just recently returned.
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« Reply #239 on: July 26, 2024, 02:43:42 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

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Just found out this morning!!!!

Wow, congratulations! Swowl Jr. on the way
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« Reply #240 on: July 26, 2024, 02:43:54 pm »

Vote: mcmc

Because of the thing

what thing?
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« Reply #241 on: July 26, 2024, 02:45:25 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

I’m gonna be a dad!!!!

Just found out this morning!!!!

Woo! I too am about to embark on that journey... although I found out about 5 months ago. Expecting the baby in mid-October.

Congrats to you too!
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« Reply #242 on: July 26, 2024, 02:46:58 pm »

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« Reply #244 on: July 26, 2024, 02:53:16 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

I’m gonna be a dad!!!!

Just found out this morning!!!!

CONGRATULATIONS!! Give DisSwan the hugest hug from us!!  What great news!!
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« Reply #245 on: July 26, 2024, 03:15:08 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

I’m gonna be a dad!!!!

Just found out this morning!!!!

Amazing - congratualations.

Vote: Swowl

Just kidding:

Real vote:

Vote: fang

(Don't want to go to 4 on mcmc, just yet, so let's have the 2nd wagon)
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« Reply #246 on: July 26, 2024, 03:21:09 pm »

Congratulation Swowl! Congratulations joth!
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« Reply #247 on: July 26, 2024, 03:25:10 pm »

Congrats!
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« Reply #248 on: July 26, 2024, 03:28:19 pm »

But the real kicker is that he then tried to subtly goad Didds into joining and making it a real wagon.

It's a little on the nose for scum play, but then I didn't notice it until re-read. Best case I've got as of now.

Recommending wagons to other players is objectively useful, because you often get interesting responses. In this case the response from Didds's makes me think she is town.

I would not say it is too on-the-nose for scum play (for me), particularly as I did it in my last scum game. In order to try to seem towny.
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« Reply #249 on: July 26, 2024, 03:31:16 pm »

What is your fourth from top scum read


Ok, I actually pulled up the player-list and decided to tackle this question seriously (seriously).

It's scolapasta.

Hmm.

What can anyone possibly find interesting about this?

I was trying to decide whether it was scummy to name your allegedly fourth-from-top scum read, without explanation.

What did you decide?

Nothing, thus the “hmm”

What were you expecting to get?? "scolapasta is my fourth-from-top scum read because my top three scum reads are X,Y and Z"?
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« Reply #250 on: July 26, 2024, 03:40:02 pm »

(Don't want to go to 4 on mcmc, just yet, so let's have the 2nd wagon)
Why not?
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« Reply #251 on: July 26, 2024, 03:41:42 pm »

From my quick reading, I'm leaning mcmc and fang, and am happy to put a vote in once there's another vote count. (since I don't have time to tally up where we are since last vote count).
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« Reply #252 on: July 26, 2024, 04:42:58 pm »

(Don't want to go to 4 on mcmc, just yet, so let's have the 2nd wagon)
Why not?

I also found this an odd statement.
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« Reply #253 on: July 26, 2024, 05:00:32 pm »

(Don't want to go to 4 on mcmc, just yet, so let's have the 2nd wagon)
Why not?

I also found this an odd statement.

I thought so to but if you check me and can’t are his two scum reads so it’s making two wagons both of which he likes rather than one.

From my quick reading, I'm leaning mcmc and fang, and am happy to put a vote in once there's another vote count. (since I don't have time to tally up where we are since last vote count).
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #254 on: July 26, 2024, 05:52:27 pm »

Dang, can't, ... I'm concerned the four letter names might turn less savoury at some point.

Joth do you have any interest in answering this?
Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?
Why would you say this? If you think it is that kind of case why not wait and see who jumps on to it?
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« Reply #255 on: July 26, 2024, 07:01:49 pm »

I think we should aim to be good with where are votes are be finished claiming, etc by 5 PM forum time on Monday. Faust and fang, is that too late for you? Jimmmm is it too early?

Is that 3 hours before deadline? If so, that would be 7am for me, at which time I'm usually still asleep. I can get up early but it might be a bit of a struggle to contribute much meaningful by then.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #256 on: July 26, 2024, 07:18:45 pm »

Okok Completely non game related…

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Just found out this morning!!!!

Woo! I too am about to embark on that journey... although I found out about 5 months ago. Expecting the baby in mid-October.

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« Reply #257 on: July 26, 2024, 07:26:03 pm »

I think there is a Town role that matters, and I think that Skum has more info than we do.

what makes you think these two things are true?

The context here was around the set up “mod confirmed stuff”.
The fact that the whole “multiple bombs in play is possible  but only 1 death of them at a time” thing leads me to believe there is probably town knowledge (i.e the bomb(s))
And then the obvious fact that in a set up like this skum is gonna know something bout it that we don’t.

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« Reply #258 on: July 26, 2024, 08:04:23 pm »

Just noticed there's a spattering of posts titled "Re: ZM25..." because their quoting traces back to the Setup post.
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« Reply #259 on: July 26, 2024, 08:11:43 pm »

Smattering?
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« Reply #260 on: July 26, 2024, 08:52:23 pm »

Dang, can't, ... I'm concerned the four letter names might turn less savoury at some point.

Joth do you have any interest in answering this?
Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?
Why would you say this? If you think it is that kind of case why not wait and see who jumps on to it?

I don’t understand the question. I’m not scum. I’m not invested in letting them complete their gambits.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #261 on: July 26, 2024, 11:10:15 pm »

Vote: mcmc

Because of the thing

what thing?
the thing with the stuff
Yup, faust got it. That was the thing
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« Reply #262 on: July 27, 2024, 01:38:23 am »

I 100% agree with Shraeye and in fact vote: joth

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I find this to be a silly question. Setup talk is totally faction-neutral. What's the implication? That scum is going to keep mum and hope no one else read the setup so they can keep their SK fakeclaim in their back pocket? Absurd.

vote: faust

These are very strong words from a day 1`townie. Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.

mcmc, do you now disagree with this statement? How would you now characterise joth's apparent intentions here?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #263 on: July 27, 2024, 04:03:02 am »

Dang, can't, ... I'm concerned the four letter names might turn less savoury at some point.

Joth do you have any interest in answering this?
Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?
Why would you say this? If you think it is that kind of case why not wait and see who jumps on to it?

I don’t understand the question. I’m not scum. I’m not invested in letting them complete their gambits.

Presumably the point is not to let scum complete their gambits but to see who are the people who would try.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #264 on: July 27, 2024, 04:10:23 am »

Also, I'm semi VLA today but probably still able to follow the game almost normally.
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« Reply #265 on: July 27, 2024, 08:48:26 am »

I 100% agree with Shraeye and in fact vote: joth

Is Swowl more likely town or scum for pointing this out?

I find this to be a silly question. Setup talk is totally faction-neutral. What's the implication? That scum is going to keep mum and hope no one else read the setup so they can keep their SK fakeclaim in their back pocket? Absurd.

vote: faust

These are very strong words from a day 1`townie. Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.

mcmc, do you now disagree with this statement? How would you now characterise joth's apparent intentions here?

No I don’t disagree with my statement. But I often find this Joth does scummy regardless of his alignment and the rest of his play has me leaning more town.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #266 on: July 27, 2024, 09:01:01 am »

So it still feels like joth was trying to get an exile rather than scumhunt?
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« Reply #267 on: July 27, 2024, 09:11:33 am »

Those are not, strictly speaking, the only two options.
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« Reply #268 on: July 27, 2024, 09:12:28 am »

So it still feels like joth was trying to get an exile rather than scumhunt?
What is the purpose of this line of questioning? He already answered this, did he not?
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« Reply #269 on: July 27, 2024, 09:13:28 am »

So it still feels like joth was trying to get an exile rather than scumhunt?
What is the purpose of this line of questioning? He already answered this, did he not?

What's the purpose of your question?
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« Reply #270 on: July 27, 2024, 10:00:44 am »

So it still feels like joth was trying to get an exile rather than scumhunt?

I guess I’m not sure how to answer this. When I read joths post the post still feels like it is geared more toward getting an exhile rather than scum hunting but if I put the post in the context of the whole game and my history with Joth I am not confident that was joths intent when making the post.
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #271 on: July 27, 2024, 10:01:49 am »

Jimm wanna let me know if your vote on my is still rvs or do you think I am scum?
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #272 on: July 27, 2024, 02:15:34 pm »

What is this whole thing about "scum trying to get a misexile" by placing a second vote on a wagon early on day 1?

mcmc has accused joth of it, and joth has accused me of it. (And also I think joth was implying Cuzz was doing it with just a first vote on Awaclus.)

Surely scum don't do that. Later day 1, sure, they'll try to manipulate wagons and stuff. But no-one ever gets exiled early day 1.

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« Reply #273 on: July 27, 2024, 03:00:04 pm »

People should consolidate on either fang or mcmc. Or else things are gonna stall out.
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« Reply #274 on: July 27, 2024, 03:17:49 pm »

What is this whole thing about "scum trying to get a misexile" by placing a second vote on a wagon early on day 1?

mcmc has accused joth of it, and joth has accused me of it. (And also I think joth was implying Cuzz was doing it with just a first vote on Awaclus.)

Surely scum don't do that. Later day 1, sure, they'll try to manipulate wagons and stuff. But no-one ever gets exiled early day 1.

mcmc or joth, care to explain?

When did I do this?
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« Reply #275 on: July 27, 2024, 03:28:30 pm »

I think that’s a pretty common way for scum to play day 1 actually. If you start the wagon you get too much attention the next day. Same if you hammer. I’ve always thought 3rd vote is the most likely place to find scum but I don’t even know if we’ve had any third votes today.

I always (as scum) start from the assumption that town will probably misexile on its own and I just need to nudge it along.i don’t spend a lot of time making cases in the early game— just gives people more to analyze.
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« Reply #276 on: July 27, 2024, 03:31:06 pm »

People should consolidate on either fang or mcmc. Or else things are gonna stall out.
People should not consolidate on fang. I do not want to be a leading wagon near the end of the day.

Robz, I think your reason for voting for me is that I asked Didds if she wanted to join the wagon on joth. I have explained how that was an objectively useful (for town) thing to do. And also it is a fang thing to do (as either alignment).

What do you make of my response? Are you happy to unvote now?

And same question to joth.

Scola, I am still waiting to hear why you are voting for me.
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« Reply #277 on: July 27, 2024, 03:39:29 pm »

What is this whole thing about "scum trying to get a misexile" by placing a second vote on a wagon early on day 1?

mcmc has accused joth of it, and joth has accused me of it. (And also I think joth was implying Cuzz was doing it with just a first vote on Awaclus.)

Surely scum don't do that. Later day 1, sure, they'll try to manipulate wagons and stuff. But no-one ever gets exiled early day 1.

mcmc or joth, care to explain?

When did I do this?

When you first voted him:
Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.

and in your most recent post:
When I read joths post the post still feels like it is geared more toward getting an exhile rather than scum hunting
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Re: M140 - Gladiator Bomb Mafia
« Reply #278 on: July 27, 2024, 03:44:57 pm »

Joth thanks for answering.

As for the earlier thing about the Awaclus wagon being one which might attract scum. Well, if you're town I think you missed an opportunity to scumhunt. But disuading people from that wagon is probably not actually scummy. unvote

Would appreciate it if you unvote me also.
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« Reply #279 on: July 27, 2024, 03:51:05 pm »

Vote: Robz888
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« Reply #280 on: July 27, 2024, 03:51:31 pm »

And mcmc you kind of imply the same thing here, that placing a second vote on someone is a higher priority for scum than getting towncred.

It is 1 vote, hardly a wagon.

Sure but all I’m saying is none of the prior interactions suggest to me scum!joth and scum!awaclus and with me voting joth and a reasonable vote on awaclus which joth is stating some level of support for it would be unlikely to me that scum!Joth takes this time to try and grab towncred by voicing concern rather than just outright joining in voting awaclus.
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« Reply #281 on: July 27, 2024, 04:16:50 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

mcmcsalot (3): Jimmmmm, faust, shraeye
infanthief (3): joth, Robz888, scolapasta
scolapasta (1): Didds
Awaclus (1): Cuzz
shraeye (1): Swowl
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« Reply #282 on: July 27, 2024, 04:35:50 pm »

What is this whole thing about "scum trying to get a misexile" by placing a second vote on a wagon early on day 1?

mcmc has accused joth of it, and joth has accused me of it. (And also I think joth was implying Cuzz was doing it with just a first vote on Awaclus.)

Surely scum don't do that. Later day 1, sure, they'll try to manipulate wagons and stuff. But no-one ever gets exiled early day 1.

mcmc or joth, care to explain?

When did I do this?

When you first voted him:
Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.

and in your most recent post:
When I read joths post the post still feels like it is geared more toward getting an exhile rather than scum hunting

Hmm so on one hand I do completely agree with joth that scum does want to be in that position on the wagon. However I don’t like the characterization of my post as that. You specifically clipped out the first part on my post

These are very strong words from a day 1`townie. Feels more like joth is trying to get an exhile going rather than trying to scumhunt.

As I have explained multiple times it was the strong wording of joth calling faust absurd that felt more like trying to get a misexile going.
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« Reply #283 on: July 27, 2024, 04:39:37 pm »


Vote: Robz

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« Reply #284 on: July 27, 2024, 04:40:36 pm »

And mcmc you kind of imply the same thing here, that placing a second vote on someone is a higher priority for scum than getting towncred.

It is 1 vote, hardly a wagon.

Sure but all I’m saying is none of the prior interactions suggest to me scum!joth and scum!awaclus and with me voting joth and a reasonable vote on awaclus which joth is stating some level of support for it would be unlikely to me that scum!Joth takes this time to try and grab towncred by voicing concern rather than just outright joining in voting awaclus.

Again the clipping here is very strange. This post is referencing another post:

Also it’s very much the sort of case scum would jump on to get a town wagon going. What do you all think?
Why would you say this? If you think it is that kind of case why not wait and see who jumps on to it?

I would posit he says that because he is town and actually concerned with finding out if this is a good wagon on scum!awaclus or an easy misexhile on town!awaclus

It’s very bold of scum!joth to say this in the event Awaclus is town because it would indeed be a safe and easy wagon to join especially with me still having been voting him. So I lean even more town on joth.

Here neither joth nor I are commenting on the fact that scum want to be an early vote on the wagon we are actually commenting on the fact that the case being made against Awaclus is and appealing one for scum to jump on.

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« Reply #285 on: July 27, 2024, 04:41:33 pm »

Apologies for the naked vote.

Not a fan of the pressure to consolidate fully 48+ hours before the deadline of a 5-day day
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