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[Jimmmmm]

Do you conclude anything about this game from that?

[faust]

Clearly that depends on the setup. If we're in a 2x Goons scenario, then scum is less worried about PRs, and probably more inclined to let town no-exile.

[faust]

Do you conclude anything about this game from that?

I don't think we have enough information to make meaningful conclusions here. We don't know the setup, we don't know if it was TvT, I think we shouldn't base our reads upon that amount of uncertainty.

[Jimmmmm]

We don't know the setup, we don't know if it was TvT, I think we shouldn't base our reads upon that amount of uncertainty.

I agree, and I'm not. I think I base my reads on other reads less than a lot of people here. But of course if joth (and to a lesser extent math) is scum, then Swowl is less likely to be and vice-versa, so it's part of the picture when looking at Swowl.

[faust]

We don't know the setup, we don't know if it was TvT, I think we shouldn't base our reads upon that amount of uncertainty.

I agree, and I'm not. I think I base my reads on other reads less than a lot of people here. But of course if joth (and to a lesser extent math) is scum, then Swowl is less likely to be and vice-versa, so it's part of the picture when looking at Swowl.

Alright then, what is the rest of the picture?

[Jimmmmm]

Everything he's said and any arguments made for or against him.

[faust]

Everything he's said and any arguments made for or against him.

I'm sorry, weren't you the guy who complained about my not giving reasons? Would you have been satisfied if I said my reasons were "everything"?

[Jimmmmm]

I think we're missing each other a bit. My reasons are the reasons I gave in the post I voted, combined with previous things I've said and agreement with some of joth's points. By "the picture when looking at Swowl", I didn't mean my reasons, I meant anything that could possibly be inferred about Swowl and his likely alignment. I'm not hiding anything.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, iguana. I’m so glad you’re still playing with us. Also, I hope the birthday weekend is awesome.

[WestCoastDidds]

I feel like I’m having a tough time staying engaged. I think this is largely a result of the lack of flips that’s made it hard to analyze the votes meaningfully for me.

In lots of ways this feels like D1 redux and I’m just as lost as I get then. It’s frustrating me to feel adrift. I’m open to ideas about how I can get an foothold.

Right now, my town has Jimm, MiX, iguana in it and then the suburbs where (faust), (Joth), (EFHW) and (2.7) live.

My questionables are Swowl, math, and gkrieg.

More of my town are voting for gkrieg than math, so I’m cool with that vote.

TL;DR: lots of metaphors and little insight. I feel lost.

[Jimmmmm]

Didds, what happened to your scumread on EFHW?

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds, what happened to your scumread on EFHW?

Its still there, but I am trying to be fair to her...I think I find her scummy because she is cagey. I am so open that I grapple with close to the vest folks. But, she was one of the few people trying to get an exile off at the EOD, and she was so willing to do it that I don't know that it was scummy.  Her wagon was 4 yesterday and never got an higher so I don't think there is enough town will to make that happen today. So, I have decided to just wait and see on her. Same with Joth.

[jotheonah]

Same with Joth.

Are you saying I'm cagey and close to the vest? Because that is the opposite of what I'm going for. I'm an open book. AMA.

[MiX]

Same with Joth.

Are you saying I'm cagey and close to the vest? Because that is the opposite of what I'm going for. I'm an open book. AMA.

No...that is not what Didds said.

[WestCoastDidds]

Same with Joth.

Are you saying I'm cagey and close to the vest? Because that is the opposite of what I'm going for. I'm an open book. AMA.

No. I'm saying that I am waiting on making decision on you today. I need more data.

[jotheonah]

Same with Joth.

Are you saying I'm cagey and close to the vest? Because that is the opposite of what I'm going for. I'm an open book. AMA.

No...that is not what Didds said.

Didds said a bunch of things about EFHW and then "Same with Joth" at the end and I wasn't sure how much of the preceding post that post-script applied to.

[mathdude]

So here is what I can gather from various intermediate vote counts D1 (that landed between official vote counts, to make sure some people jumping on or off that didn't officially record get noticed in all these intermediates).  I don't have time to analyze it at the moment, but I'll come back to it, and get D2 similar summary if I can.

But I'm posting now, because maybe it can be useful for people to look back on.

LaLight - MiX, iguana
MiX - mathdude
jotheonah - faust
iguanaiguana - LaLight, gkrieg

LaLight - iguana
MiX - mathdude, LaLight
jotheonah - faust, MiX
iguanaiguana - gkrieg, 2.71

MiX - mathdude, LaLight
jotheonah - MiX, iguana
iguanaiguana - gkrieg, 2.71, faust

Vote Count 1.1
iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., faust
MiX (2): mathdude, LaLight
jotheonah (1): iguanaiguana
gkrieg13 (1): MiX
EFHW (1): WestCoastDidds
Not Voting (5): Swowl, Jimmmmm, jotheonah, EFHW, gkrieg13

iguanaiguana - 2.71, faust, math
MiX - LaLight
jotheonah - Jimmmmm, MiX
EFHW - WCD, iguana

iguanaiguana - 2.71, math
MiX - LaLight
jotheonah - Jimmmmm, MiX, faust
EFHW - WCD, iguana
mathdude - joth

Vote Count 1.2
iguanaiguana (2): 2.71828....., mathdude
MiX (1): LaLight
jotheonah (1): Jimmmmm
EFHW (3): WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana, jotheonah
Jimmmmm (2): faust, MiX
Not Voting (3): Swowl, EFHW, gkrieg13

Vote Count 1.3
iguanaiguana (1): 2.71828.....
EFHW (4): WestCoastDidds, iguanaiguana, jotheonah, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (3): faust, MiX, mathdude
faust (1): LaLight
Not Voting (3): Swowl, EFHW, gkrieg13

iguanaiguana - 2.71
EFHW - WCD, iguana, joth
Jimmmmm - faust, MiX, math, EFHW
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm

iguanaiguana - 2.71
EFHW - WCD, iguana, joth
Jimmmmm - faust, math, EFHW
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm

EFHW - WCD
Jimmmmm - faust, math, EFHW, joth
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm
joth - MiX
math - 2.71, iguana

Vote Count 1.4
iguanaiguana (1): MiX
EFHW (1): WestCoastDidds
Jimmmmm (2): EFHW, jotheonah
faust (2): LaLight, Jimmmmm
mathdude (3): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
MiX (1): faust
Not Voting (2): Swowl, mathdude

EFHW - WCD
Jimmmmm - EFHW, joth, faust
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg
iguana - MiX

EFHW - WCD, MiX
Jimmmmm - joth, faust
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg
gkrieg - EFHW

EFHW - WCD, MiX
Jimmmmm - joth, faust
faust - LaLight, Jimmmmm
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg
MiX - EFHW

Vote Count 1.5
iguanaiguana (1): [<--- error?]
EFHW (2): WestCoastDidds, MiX
Jimmmmm (4): jotheonah, faust, mathdude, EFHW
faust (2): Jimmmmm
mathdude (3): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
MiX (1): LaLight
Not Voting (1): Swowl

EFHW - WCD, MiX, joth, Swowl
Jimmmmm - math, EFHW
faust - Jimmmmm
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg
MiX - LaLight, faust

Jimmmmm - math, EFHW, joth
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg, Jimmmmm
MiX - LaLight
joth - faust, MiX, WCD, Swowl

Jimmmmm - math, joth
math - 2.71, iguana, gkrieg, Jimmmmm
MiX - LaLight
joth - faust, MiX, WCD, Swowl, EFHW

Vote Count 1.Final
Jimmmmm (2): mathdude, jotheonah
mathdude (5): 2.71828....., iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, Jimmmmm, EFHW
MiX (1): LaLight
jotheonah (4): faust, MiX, WestCoastDidds, Swowl,

[WestCoastDidds]

Same with Joth.

Are you saying I'm cagey and close to the vest? Because that is the opposite of what I'm going for. I'm an open book. AMA.

No...that is not what Didds said.

Didds said a bunch of things about EFHW and then "Same with Joth" at the end and I wasn't sure how much of the preceding post that post-script applied to.

Are we good now?  This is the part that applied to you "So, I have decided to just wait and see on her. Same with Joth. "

[Swowl]

Maybe quote the post you mean? I looked back and that was from today right around when you voted for me.

Sorry. Mobile.
But I was literally just saying “I’m voting for you today also, that is me saying I have a skum read”

It seems to me that you went from townreading me, to voting for me without a strong scumread, to strongly scumreading me and the only thing that changed was what was convenient for you.

How in the world is that convenient for me if I was Skum? That’s like…. The opposite.

[Swowl]

Actually same question to Jim and the whole TVT wagon thing. What’s your theory for me isolating a TVT wagon today like you say, but also switching from Math to Joth?

[jotheonah]

Actually same question to Jim and the whole TVT wagon thing. What’s your theory for me isolating a TVT wagon today like you say, but also switching from Math to Joth?

I think I've answered this.

I think the TVT wagon thing was a nighttime scum plan to shape the agenda for the day (I think Jim said as much above).

I think you picked me over math because you forgot about your previous fake read.

[gkrieg13]

I just re-read all of LaLight's 27 posts.

Basically he was pushing pretty hard for MiX and faust.

So let's go from that pool.

I know, I know, WIFOM, but we never actually sheep the dead's reads so scum won't have counted on us doing it.

Also either of those flips are going to be pretty informational.

vote: MiX

Just starting to reread through D2 now. Sorry I haven't been around much. I've been pretty busy IRL and haven't really had the time/energy to post. Going to try to go through D2 quickly now.

This post from joth reads townie. It reads like scum hunting, and really trying to get the game going. It looks less townie if math flips scum, I think, because then it could just be joth trying to get attention away from his partner, but that requires both math and joth to be scum.

[gkrieg13]

I just re-read all of LaLight's 27 posts.

Basically he was pushing pretty hard for MiX and faust.

So let's go from that pool.

I know, I know, WIFOM, but we never actually sheep the dead's reads so scum won't have counted on us doing it.

Also either of those flips are going to be pretty informational.

vote: MiX

Bold added for emphasis. I know my experience here is fairly limited. But I have noticed that through my games here, the dead have an above average probability of having correct reads, yet we almost never do anything about it.

I doubt we're lucky enough that LL picked 2 on D1. But between the two, I still feel MiX is town-ish, so to start the day, I'll sheep LL's faust suspicion for now.

Vote: faust

Oh no. Now that I thought that joth and math could be scum together, that is all I'm going to see. This post makes it look like they are trying to use LaLight's reads to take attention off of them.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Joth

Why’s that?

Mainly because I preferred Joth yesterday. And as nothing has changed I still prefer him today.
Well tbf I preferred EFHW, but I am off of that for now. I was being stupid.

We should of had an exile yesterday, the fact that we did not just kind of makes me feel like one of them has to be skum.

I could look at it the other way and say "who would of looked hella fishy for moving their vote in the last hour" under the assumption that it was a TVT wagon... However, day one end of day anyone can do anything and it will like literally never be skum read universally as long as the exile goes off.

So I think, because there was no exile... combined with the lack of end of day scrambling... I think one of them is skum. And I think because we had the initial end of day move towards Joth when you changed over and I changed over and EFHW changed over... the fact that that did not happen makes me suspect of Joth.

@Swowl, why were you being stupid thinking EFHW was scum D1?

Also, this post seems very conscious about how Swowl will look, which is scummy.

[Swowl]

Actually same question to Jim and the whole TVT wagon thing. What’s your theory for me isolating a TVT wagon today like you say, but also switching from Math to Joth?

I think I've answered this.

I think the TVT wagon thing was a nighttime scum plan to shape the agenda for the day (I think Jim said as much above).

I think you picked me over math because you forgot about your previous fake read.

Okie dokie well pretty much hits a 10 on the ridiculous scale. If there was a plan, then "my entire team" would of had to miss it, not just me.
I don't know what to make of you when you tunnel like this.