I will probably post a barrage of responses to specific posts over the next couple hours, since there's a lot I want to reply to. They are responses specific to the quoted posts, but with an awareness of everything that has been posted to date.
Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.
I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.
It makes sense ash didn't flip town, and you were agreeing with him... because you're aligned with him?
And you want everyone to claim whether they used Vigil ability because... it helps town? It helps your faction? Or helps your personal character arc?
I will say I didn't. But I won't say whether I could have or not.
No, me and ash never agree when we're the same alignment.
I think it helps town, yes. This game's night actions seem important, with the radiation and all, and I think claiming Vigil actions is safe since it says nothing about your current role, other than you decided not to do anything related to your role tonight (or that you did). This seems to pale in comparison to the value we get from sharing our Vigil night actions, that I don't really know what they are, but I presume are overall helpful.
Good, that's exactly what I want to hear.
So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.
And Ash’s yellow meant he was a baddie? Maybe part of the “cylons” vote?
For lovers, my only reference also is that when one dies, the other does too (not strictly referencing Memento mafia game, but when I used to play on another site years ago too). This is new... and it's even more odd that ADK was aligned with 2 "factions".
I'm also wondering about Ash's colour. It's not town. It's not typical 3rd party I don't think? And it's not typical red scum colour. It's clearly non-town (likely anti-town?). Does that mean there's probably more than 1 scum faction?
I have my own thoughts about the lovers faction, but I guess people don't like to hear what I think about things with no proof, so I'll refrain from saying it.
A yellow color flip in any other RMM would have me immediately say "there's another faction that is true scum". Here? Maybe not, but I do think the kill points to that being true. If ash flipped during the day, that'd be a different story.
My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.
Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?
Admiral ability:
Select successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.
So if he chooses, then he might accidentally pick civilian and trigger turning point (though it wouldn't affect him as he would be out of the game if that happens). If he doesn't choose, it guarantees no turning point.
There was no turning point, so new admiral is military. But we still don't know if ash chose or let it be random. I'm not even sure if it would help us in any way even if we did know.
I don't think ash would've left it to be random. I really don't see the point, for ash, or his alignment. We also know that he didn't decide to pick a civilian (that would've been easy, e claimed civilian, even if he didn't want to pick me), which points to ash not wanting a turning point. Swowl's point of "well ash would probably always want a turning point" is a good indicator that ash's alignment/role didn't want the turning point. Honestly, all of this combined points to Didds being picked by ash, which is incriminating.
There's also another thing: isn't Lee Adama's lover Starbucks? It's been a while since I read the wiki, but I think this is true. Can anyone confirm?