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[faust]

Welcome back to Battlestar Galactica Legacy Mafia!

Mod: faust

This is a closed game for 14 players. It is designed as the second installment in a series of four games, where ideally the same player set would play each game.

Players:
1. Jack Rudd
2. 2.71828.....
3. WestCoastDidds
4. MiX
5. EFHW
6. scolapasta
7. LaLight
8. Dylan32
9. A Drowned Kernel
10. Swowl
11. gkrieg13
12. ashersky
13. Glooble
14. mathdude

Spectators tagged: infangthief
Substitutes/waiting list:

Day starts:

General rules

Changes to the usual rule sets are marked in olive.

The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!  Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Please read The Civility Pledge before signing up for any mafia game on this site.  If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play. Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.

1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:

1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any game-related source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings and the QTs specifically designed for this purpose.
3. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 12 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.

2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:

1. Day phases will last 7 days, Night lasts at least 48 hours. Night action deadline is 36 hours after night start.
2. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for an exile to occur prior to deadline.
3. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
4. Once a player is exiled, the game enters twilight until the mod locks the thread; all players including the one who was exiled may continue to post during twilight.
5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, there will be no exile.
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName.  Votes in another format may or may not be counted. This is up to the mod's discretion. Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Exile - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without an exile.
10. Any time you are dead (either via exile or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in shared Quicktopics. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
11. If the thread is locked, you may not post.  Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post.  The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked.

3. Miscellaneous/Mechanics:

1. Bold, olive text is reserved for the mod.  No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please discuss this in your role QT.  Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently.  Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed.  These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players may be issued after 24 hours of no activity.  A prodded player has 24 hours to respond or risks replacement.  A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under rule 3.9 without further notice. Players with announced VLA are exempt from this rule the first time it happens.
6. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread.  Treat this game as a commitment.  Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging. Players who fail to post for 48 hours without an announcement risk being subject to replacement and/or being modkilled without further notice.
7. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game. Do not discuss this game in any thread that is not directly related to it.
8. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, which may include modkill(s) if needed.
9. Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread.  A request to /out must only be done via a post in the role QT. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique.  (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed. Whether your request to /out will lead to replacement or a modkill is up to the mod's discretion.

[faust]

Legacy Rules

Scoring.
Players get points in each consecutive game. Winning a game awards 5 points as town. Other factions' benefits may differ. Another way to score points are character arcs, see below. The player(s) with the highest score when the game ends will be considered the overall winner(s). Scores are generally secret.

Turning points.
Certain powers, or game states, trigger turning points. If an individual player has a power that triggers a turning point, they will know. Turning points based on game states are public knowledge. In general, it will not be clear what effects a given turning point has until it is reached.

Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.

Flavor, death and exile.
Since the idea is to play the same character over multiple games, elimination from the game will not usually be flavored as dying. Instead, exiled players are sent to the brig and player that are killed by other means are incapacitated. It may be possible by certain abilities to permanently remove characters from the campaign.

Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.

Game end.
All players communally pick one permanent rule change to affect future games. The winning players may select one additional rule change. Individual players may be able to make choices for their characters. The President may execute one character that was sent to the brig. That character will die and be removed from the campaign. Doing so triggers a turning point.

[faust]

Season 2 Rules

General gameplay

The game alternates between Day phase and Night phase. The Day phase lasts 7 days, the Night phase lasts 48 hours. Any Night actions need to be submitted at least 36 hours after Night start.

The Day phase ends either when the 7 days have passed, or when an exile has been reached. If there was no exile prior to the deadline, then the game will move the Night without exile. An exile is reached when a majority of living players votes for the same player. Whenever a new phase begins, all players should carefully check the game thread as well as any QT they have access to before posting anywhere.

When a player leaves the game through exile or killing action, their flavor name and alignment will be revealed. Additionally, the types of powers they possess at the time of death are revealed. You can see these in italics in your powers.

Game-specific classifications

All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.

Additionally, all players are classified as either civilian or military. Players are aware of their own status at all times. This is also not the same as alignment.

In general, these classification are inspired by the flavor of the series, though liberties have been taken. Flavor knowledge is not required to play, but may enhance the experience.

Town is flavored as Town-aligned this game. The town win condition is

You win when there have been 2 Days and Nights in a row without someone being removed from the game and there is at least one Town-aligned player left alive, or when Town is the biggest faction in the game when the game ends. You earn 5 points from winning.

Radiation actions

Some actions can be done outside the decontaminated zone. They will afflict the players executing them with radiation poisoning. Radiation poisoning is a serious condition. If any player ends a second Night with radiation poisoning, trigger a turning point.

Distributable roles

There are two special distributable roles in the game: President and Admiral. They have the following role powers.

President

Executive order. After the Admiral's choice, receive 2 cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to enact within the first 48 hours of receiving them. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be enacted. Orders are executed instantaneously when you submit the order. If the Day ends before you submit an order, there will be no order executed that Day.

Admiral.

Preselect order. At the start of each Day, draw 3 cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to discard within the first 48 hours of receiving them. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be discarded. The remaining orders are passed to the President

Select successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.

It is public knowledge who holds the office of President and Admiral. The Presidency is a civilian office. If at any time, a member of the military obtains the role of President, they have a choice to let go of all their role powers. If they do not, trigger a turning point. The Admiral is a military office. If at any time, a civilian obtains the role of Admiral, trigger a turning point.

Executive order deck

The contents of the Executive Order deck are public knowledge, as well as the size of the draw and discard pile. However, the exact contents of draw and discard pile are not public knowledge. Whenever you would draw from the Executive Order deck and there are less than 3 cards left, shuffle all cards into the deck. Executive orders that are enacted remain activated (and thus not in the deck or discard) until they no longer have an effect, at which point they are discarded.

The current contents of the executive order deck are as follows:

Special Counsel Pick a player when choosing this. After this Night, that player's alignment will be revealed, and there will be an additional Night phase.	Course to Earth Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.	Isolate Colonial One Any action targeting the President tonight will fail.
Insurrection When the President draws this, they activate it and draw a new card. Discard this at the end of the Day. The third time an Insurrection is drawn, the current President has 72 hours to Step down. If they don't, trigger a turning point.	Course to Kobol Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.	Military police force Any military player gains the power: "You may target one other player tonight, to learn which players they targeted that night." tonight only. Military players' actions cannot be detected tonight.

The following executive orders have been removed from the game:

Civilian jurisdiction Today, an exile will occur even if the game ends without a majority on a player. At the end of this day, the exile is the player with the most civilian votes rather than the player with the most votes.	Curfew For any action a player takes the following Night, they will take one fewer vote to exile on the Day after.	Presidential pardon At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
Prioritize Choose either military or civilians. The chosen group's actions cannot be blocked or redirected tonight, and break through one layer of protection. Players from the other group may only perform one action tonight.	Vigil Tonight, all player who control the same player they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.

Turning Points

There are some events the trigger turning points which are publicly known. They are as follows:

• the role of President is unassigned
• a member of the military becomes President and refuses to give up their role powers
• the President is incapacitated at Night
• a civilian becomes Admiral
• a player ends a second Night with Radiation poisoning
• the executive order deck and discard pile combined contain 3 or fewer cards at the end of a Day
• 2 or more players of the same alignment die in the same game phase

[faust]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm still in. My preference would be for the game to start as soon as possible but that's just because I want to play

[2.71828.....]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

[Dylan32]

Still in. Would rather it not start until at least close to the end of Swowl's game that's running.

[mathdude]

Still /in
Hoping to start soon, as I was the first dead in the current game that's running.

[Jack Rudd]

/in

[MiX]

/confirm

[faust]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yep, yep!

[gkrieg13]

Sure /in

[2.71828.....]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.

Cool

/In

[WestCoastDidds]

Hooray!

[LaLight]

/confirm

[Awaclus]

I want to play but I'm not sure if I have the time. I'll confirm or /out later when I have a better grasp on what my schedule will actually be like and how much stuff I can fit into it.

[EFHW]

still /in

[scolapasta]

confirm/ing

[Swowl]

still in for sure!

[ashersky]

Confirmed.

[faust]

So we have 2 votes to start soon and one to wait until Memento is close to finishing, and no other opinions.

I'll make a compromise and send out roles when Memento starts its next Day. That will hopefully stagger Day/Night phases between the two games.

[faust]

The remaining slot will go to Awaclus if he says that he has the time to play, but if anyone wants to join in case Awaclus is busy, feel free to let me know!

[Swowl]

oh im good for whenever to start this by the way, forgot to post that.

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m good to start now!!

[Awaclus]

I think I'm going to /out.

[faust]

Alright, then we'll need one more player to join in order to start this. Anyone willing to hammer?

[Glooble]

Am I going to need to read all of season 1 to play?

[MiX]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.

[Glooble]

Eh, good enough for me.

/hammer.

[faust]

It was not what we assumed. The Cylon goal was not the extinction of the human race. Or at least, it was not the goal of all Cylons. It is still hard for us to understand what motivates them. When they brought the fleet under their control, they took us all back to a place we thought lost: Caprica. And sure enough, it was nowhere near the same as before. The bombs caused terrible destruction.

Among the rubble, we built a new place to live. The Cylons claim that they want to learn to coexist with the human population. The first months after our arrival, we were like prisoners, and the Cylons controlled our lives. As time passed however, they agreed to let us have more freedom, and a voice in decisions that affected humanity.

We should be under no illusion that this is a democracy. The Cylons still could wipe us out at any minute. Why they do not want to is impossible to tell. Our lives are very different now, but they are ours at least. Large parts of the planet remain contaminated by fallout, but we have built up a safe zone in the ruins of Caprica City. It has been a year since we landed here. Will this fragile peace last?

Survivor count: 24,987

Roles will be going out in the next hours. If you have a QT from the previous game, please check there for updates. Otherwise, I will send you a link.

Please check the updated rules post for this game.

Thread locked!

[faust]

Please check your QTs and let me know that you saw your role by posting in one of your QTs. Day 1 will probably start on Monday if everyone checks in by then.

[faust]

Some clarifications to avoid confusion:

- players are "removed from the game" if they are sent to the bring or incapacitated. Characters who die permanently are "removed from the campaign". these are distinct categories.
- it is still possible to complete your character arc if you are removed from the game, or even removed from the campaign, so long as you win the game.

[faust]

Not all players have confirmed yet. Night 0 will continue until at least June 21, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[faust]

Caprica lies in ruins. You have brought terrible destruction to this world and eleven others. Walking amidst the rubble, you wonder - was it all necessary? But then you recall what they did to your kind. No, the humans could not be trusted with peace. Whatever pain you caused was required to ensure the survival of the Cylons.

Day 1 begins! Thread unlocked!

MiX is President of the Colonies.
ashersky is Admiral of the Colonial Fleet.

Executive order deck: 6 in deck, 0 in discard, 3 drawn

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[2.71828.....]

Good to be back!

[Jack Rudd]

So say we all.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi hi hi hi hi!

It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!

Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

What is cylons??? And they vote?

[2.71828.....]

Hi hi hi hi hi!

It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!

Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

What is cylons??? And they vote?

The count says 15 and there are 14 of us...

[MiX]

Well...here we go again. Wait...what?

Vote: Cylons

Speaking of: Dylan, scola, Jack. What are your flavor names?

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

Oh, and I'm town again. I wonder if people will read my posts this game, they probably did when I was scum.

Good to be back!

Welcome back e!

[2.71828.....]

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

How kind of you

[Dylan32]

Hi hi hi hi hi!

It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!

Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

What is cylons??? And they vote?

To add to this observation:

Not Voting (15): ...

"With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile." bold added

[MiX]

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

How kind of you

What percentage of sarcasm is this post at?

[2.71828.....]

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

[MiX]

Request vote count too.

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.

[2.71828.....]

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

How kind of you

What percentage of sarcasm is this post at?

On a scale of 1-10?

Personally, I have never had an issue with how you play. Maybe I should solo the first game and see what sort of things you are referring to

[faust]

Vote Count 1.1

Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.1

Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Ok then

[Jack Rudd]

I have the same surname as before, but rather more hair.

[Dylan32]

Request vote count too.

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.

To be fair, the people who were pressing you the hardest on stuff last game were either scum or strongly believed you to be scum, so don't act like you were being singled out unfairly lol.

[MiX]

Request vote count too.

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.

To be fair, the people who were pressing you the hardest on stuff last game were either scum or strongly believed you to be scum, so don't act like you were being singled out unfairly lol.

I've decided I can't answer that so I won't.

Does anyone have an idea what the cylons in the voting mean?

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

[2.71828.....]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

[2.71828.....]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

[faust]

I have made some changes/clarifications to the Executive order rules, and specifically insurrection. I also modified one of the turning points. These are the changes:

Executive orders that are enacted remain activated (and thus not in the deck or discard) until they no longer have an effect, at which point they are discarded.

Insurrection
When the President draws this, they activate it and draw a new card. Discard this at the end of the Day. The third time an Insurrection is drawn, the current President has 72 hours to Step down. If they don't, trigger a turning point.

• the executive order deck and discard pile combined contain 3 or fewer cards at the end of a Day

[Jack Rudd]

XOs are Duration cards, got it.

[Glooble]

I did not read all of game one. I did skim it. I'm not sure how useful I will be on day 1, both because of my powers and because this game is so complex I need a little time to get the lay of the land.

[2.71828.....]

I did not read all of game one. I did skim it. I'm not sure how useful I will be on day 1, both because of my powers and because this game is so complex I need a little time to get the lay of the land.

I mean, it's Mafia. Vote for the bad guys.

Vote: glooble

Like that

[Glooble]

Easier said than done.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not to

[EFHW]

Hi I'm here. The first game is a blur. I'll try to look at it soon.

[Glooble]

I'm going to start off with vote: MiX because I have a problem with authority.

And I'm trying to bury the hatchet with ashersky after tunneling him hard in Memento Mafia.

[MiX]

I'm going to start off with vote: MiX because I have a problem with authority.

And I'm trying to bury the hatchet with ashersky after tunneling him hard in Memento Mafia.

Yes, everyone does. That's part of why the last game was a disaster. The other part was because I'm me.

Just because I am the President doesn't mean I'm a corrupt politician. It doesn't help that I sided with a third-party and my personal goal last game though

[Jack Rudd]

Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not to

Oh my god, you suck. Vote: A Drowned Kernel 

[MiX]

Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not to

Oh my god, you suck. Vote: A Drowned Kernel 

Vote: Jack

[Dylan32]

Just because I am the President doesn't mean I'm a corrupt politician.

I mean.....

[EFHW]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

[MiX]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

[Jack Rudd]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

[MiX]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

Ash has first dibs on the cards anyway.

[Glooble]

So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?

Cool. Cool.

[gkrieg13]

So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?

Cool. Cool.

I think Glooble has the same feelings as me coming in to this after the first game. I feel like it is likelier to happen genuinely as town.

Same is not true for e.

Vote: e

[A Drowned Kernel]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

Are you claiming a power or did I miss something in the rules?

[Jack Rudd]

I'm claiming a power.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ok, then. What does the quorum power do? And why did you decide to tell us now?? (Also, hi Jack! Glad you’re back!)

MiXy…don’t be sadz. I heart you.

[Jack Rudd]

You may find, from time to time, that I use terminology from the board game by accident, and that was one of them. By quorum I meant the president's executive orders.

I mentioned it now because I was already in the lead for votes on me, and didn't want to run the risk of being exiled without mentioning it.

[mathdude]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

Well MiX, I guess you got there first (and have since moved on), but I'll do it anyway...
Vote: MiX
Reason: siding with 3p instead of his own faction in round 1.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: Jack

Suspicious of the fast claim with almost no real pressure. A few votes, yes. But it is early D1. Feels unnecessary and scummy

[2.71828.....]

So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?

Cool. Cool.

I think Glooble has the same feelings as me coming in to this after the first game. I feel like it is likelier to happen genuinely as town.

Same is not true for e.

Vote: e

Meh, bravado is the name of the game for me.

I really don't have a firm grasp on the mechanics, the politics of G1, or such. I just figure the best way to learn is to dive head first.

[ashersky]

vote: MiX because RVS and because MiX.

[ashersky]

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

[2.71828.....]

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

I haven't seen one.  I think people would have to claim if they changed characters

Emphasis is mine:

Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.

Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.

We know Robz' character was eliminated from the game, so we can know that either gkrieg or glooble have a brand new character.

The three of us new adds were (I assume, I didn't ask) randomly assigned to Robz, Awaclus, and Space - I was slotted to fill Awaclus' spot (big shoes to fill, I thought Awaclus played incredibly well S1). At least, I am Billy Keikeya.

[Swowl]

Hey all! Glad to be in a game.

[Swowl]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

What read? I don't believe they had posted in the game to this point?

[Swowl]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

Is there a reason we are assuming players are keeping their human/clyon status from game to game?

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

Well MiX, I guess you got there first (and have since moved on), but I'll do it anyway...
Vote: MiX
Reason: siding with 3p instead of his own faction in round 1.

Who said anything about instead? They're called third parties for a reason

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

What read? I don't believe they had posted in the game to this point?

I love RVSing people I think I can solve D1. I think math's one of those people.

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

Is there a reason we are assuming players are keeping their human/clyon status from game to game?

Why not? EFHW registering as a cylon the other game was completely anti-town and almost irrelevant, so unless scum had a framer, I would say that they were a cylon. And given how useless the cylon tester was, I would be very surprised if it wasn't a legacy thing. Why wouldn't they keep their human/cylon status? They're the same character, after all.

[MiX]

I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

[2.71828.....]

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

Why do you think that is important?

[LaLight]

heeeeellow, friends, good to be back.

also how about an elephant in the room and town wincon?

[LaLight]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

[2.71828.....]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I hadn't even considered that, but yeah. Win-con does encourage no exile.

I still like voting for people just so we have more information, but I think that we should be careful prior to an exile

[2.71828.....]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Also, what makes you think scum doesn't have a night kill? Setup just says some actions can be done outside the decontaminated zone

[2.71828.....]

Because I really can't imagine a game where we could win if we literally sit around and do nothing.

[faust]

Vote Count 1.2

Jack Rudd (3): A Drowned Kernel, MiX, 2.71828.....
MiX (3): Glooble, mathdude, ashersky
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (7): WestCoastDidds, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Because I really can't imagine a game where we could win if we literally sit around and do nothing.

I'm against no-exile and this sums up why

[2.71828.....]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

Vote Count 1.2

Jack Rudd (3): A Drowned Kernel, MiX, 2.71828.....
MiX (3): Glooble, mathdude, ashersky
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (7): WestCoastDidds, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Testing doesn't work (at least right now)

[EFHW]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.

[MiX]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.

Radiation kills...oh! I guess we don't know this for sure. But I would be very surprised if it didn't. I'm positive scum has a normal NK though, or at least they aren't just poisoning everyone.

[mathdude]

I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

This is already a strong claim for D1... are you getting that much between Jack and e? Or do you know more than the rest of us?

[mathdude]

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

[2.71828.....]

I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

This is already a strong claim for D1... are you getting that much between Jack and e? Or do you know more than the rest of us?

Bold strong (sometimes crazy) opinions are how MiX plays. I find it refreshing, others find it scummy

[2.71828.....]

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

I play almost exclusively on mobile, so thanks.

That being said I am a sucker for giving town reads to people who post long posts

[mathdude]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.

Radiation kills...oh! I guess we don't know this for sure. But I would be very surprised if it didn't. I'm positive scum has a normal NK though, or at least they aren't just poisoning everyone.

Is this typical MiX, claiming something is fact when it's just an opinion? Or does MiX "know" the exact opposite to what LaLight said earlier that they have "reason to believe"?

[MiX]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

[mathdude]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

[MiX]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

[Glooble]

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

If I make it to like day 3 I usually will make a wall post or two. Or after a really eventful day 1. Honestly, Eddie flipping town in memento after my exhaustive case on him is really making me doubt my ability to play this game. It felt airtight. I'm feeling like "why bother making a case like that again?"

But we'll see.

[MiX]

You've seen 2 town games and a scum game from me. What do you think, in your humble opinion, are my town traits? My scum traits? My town tells? My scum tells?

I wasn't caught on my latest scum game by PoE alone. I was scummy, and you know it: you scumread me. Why? Voice that thought process, and you'll be able to form reads on me beyond null and scummy.

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

If I make it to like day 3 I usually will make a wall post or two. Or after a really eventful day 1. Honestly, Eddie flipping town in memento after my exhaustive case on him is really making me doubt my ability to play this game. It felt airtight. I'm feeling like "why bother making a case like that again?"

But we'll see.

Don't worry, no one can read uncle correctly.

[Glooble]

On the subject of no exile, I think I'm anti, at least for day 1? Feels like we have essentially two paths to victory and they undermine each other, but it's a lot easier to swap to the "no removals" win con later on than it is to start with it and handicap ourselves.

[MiX]

On the subject of no exile, I think I'm anti, at least for day 1? Feels like we have essentially two paths to victory and they undermine each other, but it's a lot easier to swap to the "no removals" win con later on than it is to start with it and handicap ourselves.

Awaclus' spirit remains in this game, and he says that no exiling is what lost town the previous game. I'm always going to exile, and so should we. In fact, the win condition wants us to exile early, only later should we consider not doing so.

[Glooble]

I think that was a needlessly confusing way of articulating my thoughts. Let me start over.

If we choose to no exile tonight, that gives us a chance of winning through the alternate win-con, but it decreases our chance of winning by the normal win-con enough that I don't think it's worth it, especially when we factor in not having a normal day one with wagons and an exile that we can analyze once we have more info.

PPE: MiX, but I think he's just agreeing with me.

[Glooble]

Oh, and also, vote: Jack Rudd because I'm townreading MiX now and that's the only other sizable wagon.

[MiX]

I was, indeed, agreeing with you.

I should probably not reply to everything, right? I kinda want to though.

Glooble, who do you think is scum? What do you think of my Jack vs e theory?

PPE: Oh...hmm...

Unvote if you're voting Jack because of me.

[2.71828.....]

I was, indeed, agreeing with you.

I should probably not reply to everything, right? I kinda want to though.

Glooble, who do you think is scum? What do you think of my Jack vs e theory?

PPE: Oh...hmm...

Unvote if you're voting Jack because of me.

no, you should.

The Jack vs. e theory is an interesting one, we will have to see how much stock I put in it after Jack flips.

[MiX]

Reads list because it's page 5 so there's TONS OF CONTENT (/s)

Town: Jack, Glooble, gkrieg, LL

Towny: ADK, EFHW, math

Null: ash, Swowl(?)

Scummy: Dylan, Didds, Swowl(?)

Scum: e

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

[2.71828.....]

Reads list because it's page 5 so there's TONS OF CONTENT (/s)

Town: Jack, Glooble, gkrieg, LL

Towny: ADK, EFHW, math

Null: ash, Swowl(?)

Scummy: Dylan, Didds, Swowl(?)

Scum: e

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

Nothing like a good reads list to get yourself on everyone's town list. It seems to be a little topsy turvy, but you know, E for Effort!

[MiX]

Vote: 2.71828..... for brig leader!

That's like the first time I've written your name. At least if you count the dots.

[2.71828.....]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

[2.71828.....]

Vote: 2.71828..... for brig leader!

That's like the first time I've written your name. At least if you count the dots.

You got all 5 dots! I don't know why I did that.  I was a young crazy college kid....8 years ago....

[2.71828.....]

To be fair, it has been less than 24 hours since day start.

[MiX]

Huh, I looked through the not voting people and I could've swore all of them posted.

Are you scumreading me e, I don't get it.

[2.71828.....]

Huh, I looked through the not voting people and I could've swore all of them posted.

Are you scumreading me e, I don't get it.

no, you are town.  100%

I am just suffering from post mafia deprivation syndrome and getting all the posts that I didn't make over the last year all at once

[Swowl]

Don't worry, no one can read uncle correctly.

I ROFLcoptered at this. So true.

[Swowl]

Damn man - start my morning re read of the "MiX and E! in the Morning" show...

[Swowl]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

What leads you to believe no night kill? Given the win con, that just like... seems unlikely.

[mathdude]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

[MiX]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

I continue to fail to understand how this makes me more likely to be scum instead of town.

Do you not consider all outcomes as scum too?

[MiX]

Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

Like if you already know my answer then how is it alignment indicative?

[mathdude]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

I continue to fail to understand how this makes me more likely to be scum instead of town.

Do you not consider all outcomes as scum too?

Thinking you are scum and finding something you do scummy are two different things. Sometimes related, but different.

I find your playstyle scummy. I'm working to distinguish real reads from your playstyle. At the moment, I don't know how I feel about you yet this game. But I think I have a problem with authority!

[MiX]

What is "scummy"?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

[MiX]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

Nightmare team!

[mathdude]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

Nightmare team!

Nightmare for us probably. I think it would be difficult and awkward for us to still interact in game. I do look forward to that challenge one game, hopefully soon. But it's not this one.

[mathdude]

What is "scummy"?

Hard to really say. A gut feel?
Probably the simplest approximation is to say something that feels like it's helping scum or at least harming town, more than it's helping town..

An example could be role claiming a role that is usually scum. It looks scummy, but may not make me think they're scum. I think someone did that in a recent game, claiming Prostitute... my initial reaction was "scum would actually fake claim, so that must be a weird town role" (I don't remember if they ended up being town or scum, but I think I was just watching from speccy).

[mathdude]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

[WestCoastDidds]

Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.

Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so

Vote: LaLight

[Dylan32]

--snip--

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I have reason to believe this is not the case.

Like several have already said, hard pass on an early no exile, but unlike Didds I don't think scum!LL would drop that second line right at their entrance to the game.

[Dylan32]

Tomorrow afternoon I am going to be out of town for a wedding and all the associated events with being in the wedding party, so I'll be VLA until Sunday evening. I should be able to check in a few times throughout the rest of the week, but I might miss a day or two.

[gkrieg13]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

I definitely don’t like this policy vote.

[ashersky]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

[2.71828.....]

Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.

Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so

Vote: LaLight

Nice refreshing cheerful Didds. 

[2.71828.....]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

I definitely don’t like this policy vote.

I agree.  I posted in part to highlight just how "way-too-early" MiX's reads list was.  But also in part to gently prod people for more content.

[2.71828.....]

I went back and read Jack's S1.  Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum.  Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1


Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.

[2.71828.....]

To note - if there is anything someone thinks I should definitely take note of in S1 let me know.  I have just been reading as I go.  For example, solo-ing Jack to either help confirm or weaken my scum read.

[Jack Rudd]

One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.

[mathdude]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

I definitely don’t like this policy vote.

I agree.  I posted in part to highlight just how "way-too-early" MiX's reads list was.  But also in part to gently prod people for more content.

You post like you did to "gently prod" someone. I vote for them to do the same... especially D1 RVS. I don't expect my vote wil stay there unless scola shows up with obv!scum responses.

[mathdude]

Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".

[MiX]

Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.

Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so

Vote: LaLight

Nice refreshing cheerful Didds.

Nice buddying?

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: mix

[MiX]

vote: mix

Is Jack townie now?

[A Drowned Kernel]

No but you're scummier

[MiX]

No but you're scummier

Neat.

Vote: ADK

[A Drowned Kernel]

Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something

[EFHW]

Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".

We vote to prod all the time, so I'm confused by gkrieg's reaction. However, it is not felt as a gentle prod. More like an energetic one.

[gkrieg13]

Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".

Why did you vote for scola specifically. Or would you have voted for anyone in their position, like you have a policy that you vote for people who haven’t participated in a game at all at a certain point?

Eh, probably not worth arguing over whether it was policy or not. I just think it jumped too quickly on the “I can do something that other people do all the time so that I fit in and look townie”. I also disagree that it is RVS if you had a valid reason to vote for someone.

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

Because I’m usually soooo loud D1.

[scolapasta]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

[MiX]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.

Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.

[Dylan32]

I went back and read Jack's S1.  Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum.  Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1


Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.

One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.

I feel it's also important to note, Jack was scum in season one of this, and he was very much new!scum who didn't know how to interact, and rapidly offering up info is something completely opposite of what I saw as his partner in that round. Like, we were constantly trying to get him to share his thoughts and opinions and fake reads, anything, but it turned out that just playing the "I'm new and have no idea what to do to even say anything" worked out for him (and the scum team as a whole). Given that context, and that he subbed in as mafia for his second game ever, in which he still felt very similar to his first game, this feels a lot more like new town that is excited to have something they can say truthfully without having to worry about lying.

[scolapasta]

I went back and read Jack's S1.  Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum.  Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1


Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.

One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.

I feel it's also important to note, Jack was scum in season one of this, and he was very much new!scum who didn't know how to interact, and rapidly offering up info is something completely opposite of what I saw as his partner in that round. Like, we were constantly trying to get him to share his thoughts and opinions and fake reads, anything, but it turned out that just playing the "I'm new and have no idea what to do to even say anything" worked out for him (and the scum team as a whole). Given that context, and that he subbed in as mafia for his second game ever, in which he still felt very similar to his first game, this feels a lot more like new town that is excited to have something they can say truthfully without having to worry about lying.

Yeah, this is my current Jack read, as well.

[WestCoastDidds]

But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.

Hi Scola! Glad you could make it.  Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!

I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.

[MiX]

But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.

Hi Scola! Glad you could make it.  Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!

I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.

I don't know what town Jack does. But I don't think scum Jack does that.

[WestCoastDidds]

But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.

Hi Scola! Glad you could make it.  Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!

I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.

I don't know what town Jack does. But I don't think scum Jack does that.

Hmmmm….okay, yeah. I guess we haven’t seen town Jack yet. Or even just more active Jack. So, hard to know. But I think I’m maybe agreeing with you.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, what MiX said.

[EFHW]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.

Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.

It does seem like it isn't humans vs. cylons this season. Does anyone who knows the flavor have an idea of who town and scum might represent? I have reason to believe it's not military vs. civilian, assuming that I haven't been given a personal arc that is impossible to achieve.

[mathdude]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.

Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.

I will neither confirm nor deny whether I followed through with that switch in my QT. I'm not sure at the moment if it's helpful.

[mathdude]

unvote

If I had to vote today, I'd be okay putting a vote on MiX, ADK, LL, or gkrieg at the moment. But I'm glad we still have time, as those are just gut feelings for now.

I'm happy with the arguments made for town!Jack for now, even though claiming that early does not look townie to me.

[2.71828.....]

vote: ADK

I feel like this is a better place for my vote.

[faust]

Vote Count 1.3

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, MiX, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (7): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Cylons, mathdude

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: ADK

I feel like this is a better place for my vote.

Why?

[faust]

The following executive order has been enacted:

Vigil
Tonight, all player who control the same player they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.

[scolapasta]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

[2.71828.....]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

What is there to discuss in advance?

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.

Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.

[2.71828.....]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.

Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.

I did!

[2.71828.....]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

[2.71828.....]

Looking at the deck again that may be the best we could have gotten D2

[2.71828.....]

Looking at the deck again that may be the best we could have gotten D2

Day 1

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.

Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.

I did!

You actually did not. Your best answer was "I trust you to reveal as much as necessary" or something like that, which does not answer my question.

Well, whatever, it's not like it was important.

[mathdude]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I don't think it's that interesting there was no discussion... it's MiX! (Well, and see MiX's response).

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I don't think it's that interesting there was no discussion... it's MiX! (Well, and see MiX's response).

I am not the executive order.

[LaLight]

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

[MiX]

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

No, we should definitely exile today.

No, we should definitely not exile me today.

[Swowl]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.

[Swowl]

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

No, we should definitely exile today.

No, we should definitely not exile me today.

100% agree we should exile today.
Currently >50% agree it shouldn't be MiX.

Vote: LaLight

[Swowl]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

What does this mean?
Do you not have a QT with the Admiral?

[2.71828.....]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

What are your thoughts on the executive order?

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

What does this mean?
Do you not have a QT with the Admiral?

No, I don't. It's part of why I wanted to keep the vice-president.

[MiX]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.

Chaos is good. I also want Dylan and Jack to claim whatever power they'll use N1, I'm very curious what powers scum had in the first game.

Also, do note that I only had 2 choices.

[mathdude]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.

Chaos is good. I also want Dylan and Jack to claim whatever power they'll use N1, I'm very curious what powers scum had in the first game.

Also, do note that I only had 2 choices.

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

[MiX]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

[2.71828.....]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

"Isn't healthy" more like "is scummy"

[MiX]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

"Isn't healthy" more like "is scummy"

Why would it be scummy? Math always does this.

[Glooble]

The thing about this executive order is it seems like very few people switched characters? I assume ashersky asked this on page four because he'd seen the available Executive orders and was trying to judge how useful/ detrimental this one would be:

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

And then I assume he passed it along to MiX, who then asks people to explicitly claim if they swapped characters and... no one does? Even mathdude, who MiX was assuming swapped, won't confirm. So I'm confused as to why MiX enacted this order which is only going to affect people who either chose to stay silent or lie... which is more likely to be scum than town.

MiX, want to walk me through that?

[Glooble]

Wait, I just re-read the executive order and I had it completely backwards. Never mind, question withdrawn.

[Glooble]

Looking at it now, it seems like town is more likely to get use out of the power flexibility than scum, just because of sheer numbers. So I'm cool with it, even though not having played the previous game, I have to miss out.

[MiX]

Wait, I just re-read the executive order and I had it completely backwards. Never mind, question withdrawn.

If it helps, I didn't think about asking people if they swapped characters because of the order. I'm really just assuming that the Vigil is overall pro-town.

[EFHW]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

[MiX]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.4

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, MiX, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl

Not Voting (6): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[Glooble]

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

[2.71828.....]

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

I mean, it is D1 so any "case" is going to be pretty flimsy.  This is what got me voting ADK:

Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something

ADK starts with a RVS on Jack.  Sure.
ADK then moves over to MiX for some reason, with a way-too-early scum team call of MiX-math.
Then just jokes about the two votes against them.

Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there.  Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping.  Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!

[mathdude]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

Ok this actually makes some sense then.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

Why wouldn't it be healthy? Am I going to go insane by engaging with you?

I think between your online times and your posting style, you are one of the easier ones for me to interact with. I'd like to do similar with ash and Swowl as well, as I think some things they say are things I'd want to get multiple back and forth posts about (in general, not necessarily specific to this game). But they both post mostly when I'm sleeping, and by the time I'm online the things I want to reply to have been addressed by others.

Based on online times, I could see myself engaging a lot with e soon, but this is my first game with them so I'm more observing at the moment.

Most other players, I'll respond to things as needed. But lucky you, MiX... I think you will be my day-1 go-to, for my first vote, my first person to bug, and the one I will try to get a read on first.

PPE: a few... I started this post a while ago.

[Glooble]

Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there.  Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping.  Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!

You know me, I don't hop on wagons easily, not this early in the day. Jack's random partial claim was weird, and felt more like nervous scum than nervous town to me.

[2.71828.....]

Based on online times, I could see myself engaging a lot with e soon, but this is my first game with them so I'm more observing at the moment.

observing is overrated

[2.71828.....]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

[Glooble]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

Who do you mean?

[EFHW]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

[Jack Rudd]

My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.

[EFHW]

My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.

But you implied you were keeping an eye on it in general to protect town's interests. This is just about your own.

[ashersky]

So, anyone want to both claim military and make an argument for being my successor?

Also, work has been nuts, sorry for the less than normal activity.  I should be back to normal next week.

[mathdude]

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

MiX's vote is on ADK and everything MiX says in game is a fact. So that should be enough to move your vote there. Oh, and MiX is president and we follow our authority figures.

Hmm, my gut says
Vote: LaLight

[WestCoastDidds]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

EFHW was military, I think, but not a viper. That was me, Swowl, lalight, and adk. We do not have a viper qt this game.

[MiX]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

EFHW was military, I think, but not a viper. That was me, Swowl, lalight, and adk. We do not have a viper qt this game.

I don't know how, but I confused LL with EFHW. I guess the important role EFHW had in the first game was...registering as a cylon? Okay.

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

MiX's vote is on ADK and everything MiX says in game is a fact. So that should be enough to move your vote there. Oh, and MiX is president and we follow our authority figures.

Hmm, my gut says
Vote: LaLight

I am in fact voting for ADK. I hope I didn't imply I'm voting scum, I'm only trying to do that.

I like your gut.

[Dylan32]

Re: executive order, my game 1 character had limited shot abilities that were used up, so regardless of whether I did or didn’t switch those powers are not accessible to me.

[Swowl]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

Why the interest in the Viper QT?

[Swowl]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

are you asking about who? mathdude here yeah?

[Swowl]

Also I think we should stop claiming pre night actions at the very minimum whether you swapped out or not. I fail to see how claiming that today is helpful.

[2.71828.....]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

are you asking about who? mathdude here yeah?

Yeah, I was referencing my last post without quoting it

[2.71828.....]

Basically disagreeing with the position that observing is a better way to learn about a player rather than engaging.

Which I get is most of the time personality driven rather than alignment driven. But that is also why scum lurk. Because the more they engage the more the possibility exists that something will slip up

[2.71828.....]

My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.

Let me be more precise in my question: did you have any visibility on today's executive order options? Before the choice was made?

Back to vote: Jack

The claim was (1) too early and (2) legitimately scummy.

While the use of executive orders can be done in such a way that it benefits scum the most, it is absolutely one of the best ways for scum to claim towniness. "But look, I executed a townie executive order, I must be town" - says every scum!president ever. (Not accusing MiX of being scum here, just generalizing).

The claim about monitoring what the president does with the executive order deck just falls kind of flat to me when taking it all together.

But first, Jack. How does that power work?

[Jack Rudd]

I get to see at night what powers were discarded.

[Swowl]

I get to see at night what powers were discarded.

so you claimed in a situation where if you had to give information today... you could not?

[Swowl]

ash - what card did you discard?

[2.71828.....]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

[EFHW]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

Why the interest in the Viper QT?

My power last time was to create qts. It seemed pretty redundant when I learned how many qts already existed. The viper qt in particular had its own mini game going unknown to the rest of us.  If that's happening again, I want to know.

[MiX]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

[2.71828.....]

So..... Any other thoughts 3 days before deadline heading into a weekend?

[Swowl]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

[2.71828.....]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.

Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort

[Swowl]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.

Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort

Ok... then what is the reasoning behind waiting on knowing the discarded cards?

And I will save you the time - I have not explained that vote. So, nothing to find. I find the way they entered the game kind of phishy and I don't like any of the other cases that are surrounded by interaction rn.

[WestCoastDidds]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

Why the interest in the Viper QT?

My power last time was to create qts. It seemed pretty redundant when I learned how many qts already existed. The viper qt in particular had its own mini game going unknown to the rest of us.  If that's happening again, I want to know.

Oh right…create qts.  That was cool.
Yeah, no viper at and if there was, I think you’d be right in wanting to know about it.

[mathdude]

I did feel that Jack was just town, trying to provide helpful info when he first claimed (and maybe giving some benefit of the doubt from being new). But I've gone back to read again...

You may find, from time to time, that I use terminology from the board game by accident, and that was one of them. By quorum I meant the president's executive orders.

I mentioned it now because I was already in the lead for votes on me, and didn't want to run the risk of being exiled without mentioning it.

If he actually could keep an eye on president executive order stuff, I suspect this would have been fairly clear to him in QT. So slipping up by calling it quorum from the game (apparently... I know nothing about the game) definitely sounds like a more scummy thing to make up an early, believable claim.

I think my vote will switch to Jack, but I'll give him a chance to respond first.

So..... Any other thoughts 3 days before deadline heading into a weekend?

And yes, this. The game seems to be stagnating. Guess there's not much to talk about?

[ashersky]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

For the first time ever, MiX and I agree?  Scary.

Seriously though, if we were revealing to test Jack, we definitely go the other way around -- they are the claimant.  If we give info, he uses it to claim.

I mean, I can just lie to test/trick him, but still.  WIFOM.

Besides, if you look at the list of cards, I'm sure you can think of reasons why mafia want to know what cards are not in play.

[ashersky]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

[Swowl]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Not what I am doing - but more importantly, got a good laugh out of the fact that this post is you... "obliquely supporting Jack while while maintaining a throwaway vote on ADK".

Also what is NGBED1LL?

[Swowl]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

Seriously though, if we were revealing to test Jack, we definitely go the other way around -- they are the claimant.  If we give info, he uses it to claim.
*snipped*

I get the logic, that is why I asked if it was because of Jack or if there was another reason I was not getting.

[Glooble]

I had no idea the deadline was that soon. I’m in Minnesota with my family- I can read the thread and check in occasionally but I don’t have much bandwidth. I’ll keep an eye on things as best I can.

[Jack Rudd]

If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.

I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.4

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, MiX, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl

Not Voting (6): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Since this I voted jack and math voted lalight.

EFHW, pasta, Lalight, Dylan - anything?

[2.71828.....]

If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.

I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.

I just make up scum tells as I go, sometimes I am even right about my read!

[2.71828.....]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

[2.71828.....]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

Because I’m usually soooo loud D1.

vote: ADK

I feel like this is a better place for my vote.

Why?

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

Last posts 2.5 days ago, 2 days ago....

Request prod: gkrieg, ADK, scolapasta, LaLight

[Swowl]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?

[Swowl]

If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.

I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.

Yeah that is my point. Why did you claim when you have potential to have information but you don't actually have it yet?

[2.71828.....]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?

I switched back to Jack

[faust]

Vote Count 1.5

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): Jack Rudd, MiX
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (3): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude

Not Voting (5): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Request prod: gkrieg, ADK, scolapasta, LaLight

Prods sent.

[Swowl]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?

I switched back to Jack

Facts. My mistake.

[Swowl]

I mean... kind of facts.
I still feel like my justification for LL is better than the reasons made for ADK.

Still waiting for an answer from Jack.

[2.71828.....]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.

Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort

Ok... then what is the reasoning behind waiting on knowing the discarded cards?

And I will save you the time - I have not explained that vote. So, nothing to find. I find the way they entered the game kind of phishy and I don't like any of the other cases that are surrounded by interaction rn.

I mean... kind of facts.
I still feel like my justification for LL is better than the reasons made for ADK.

Still waiting for an answer from Jack.

Care to share that justification? I don't believe you have actually shared that justification for your vote yet

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, haha. You explained it in the first quote

[2.71828.....]

To summarize your justification (correct me if I am wrong):

- Lalight entered the game "kind of phishy"
- you don't like cases on anyone else

Can you expand on "kind of phishy"?

[MiX]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Vote: Swowl

[gkrieg13]

Need to go back and read stuff.

[gkrieg13]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Ash seems very off here, but I’m not sure if it is in a scummy way.

[WestCoastDidds]

Still on family vacation, so apologies if I’m missing detail.

I voted for LL because I didn’t like the no exile certainty. I expected to move my vote when we heard more from him. All we have heard since then is him leaning into no exile. Then poof. I know he’s not on much on weekends, but that doesn’t explain the two days prior to today. I literally have nothing go up clear him on except that it might be dumb to be so upfront about no exile.

The quorum stuff with Jack isn’t a good look. First I thought it was scummy, then not do much, now maybe I’m back to scummy. Jack is still a cipher yo me and I haven’t seen town Jack, so I have no basis for comparisons.

Still think e is a little scummy, not gonna vote for him though. (E, we saw the USWNT play Nigeria and I wore my World Cup shirt from Lyon!)

I don’t like the Votes for MiX. He seems on brand to me.

MiX, why Swowl? EFHW, what are you thinking?

Also, it would be nice to hear from Scola and ADK.

[MiX]

I'm voting Swowl because I want to sheep ash. His FoS on Swowl was very interesting, and I wanted to see where that would go.

But I do think the person most likely to be scum is

Vote: LL

[MiX]

I have a bunch of thoughts floating, so let's see if I can ground them.

LL feels like they're playing too much into what they think town will townread them for. I don't think LL has tried to play for town yet.

E feels very scummy, he's trying hard to be townred, but I don't see him trying to catch scum at all. Feels like he's vibing but without playing.

Swowl is doing a bunch of town!Swowl stuff, but...idk, I feel like there's more there. I trust ash's suspicion on him more than my read, regardless of his alignment.

ADK was being ADK, which I think actually comes from scum!ADK more than town!ADK. But I can't really scumread that, ADK is someone that takes time to read.

gkrieg...is town, I think? I forgot why, and I'm writing this so I don't forget that I don't think he should be as townread by me as he is right now.

There are my current thoughts about my scum reads, or feels-like-they-should-be-scum reads.

Need to go back and read stuff.

Did you find anything else to talk about?

[LaLight]

well, i didn't really played into looking town, I don't do that. I am very surprised that for the first time in infinity we have a different wincon and we don't do anything about that.

[LaLight]

if you want to lynch and for some reason or other don't want to lynch MiX, let's do vote: Swowl

[LaLight]

*exile, I am sorry.

[mathdude]

well, i didn't really played into looking town, I don't do that. I am very surprised that for the first time in infinity we have a different wincon and we don't do anything about that.

There is a valid argument here. But it's not our only wincon. If we have a night with no kill, then it absolutely makes sense to go for it I think. But until we know that, let's at least try to figure out who scum is, and not presumably give them a free kill at night where we potentially learn nothing about people's reads on others.

[scolapasta]

Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)

If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.

[EFHW]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

[LaLight]

Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)

If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.

how is he newish?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.6

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in 32 hours.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.6

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in 32 hours.

Don't like the lalight wagon, jack isn't realistically going to happen.

I take don't know where to go at this point without more people showing up to play

[MiX]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

[2.71828.....]

*conversation

[MiX]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

I mean, it is D1 so any "case" is going to be pretty flimsy.  This is what got me voting ADK:

Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something

ADK starts with a RVS on Jack.  Sure.
ADK then moves over to MiX for some reason, with a way-too-early scum team call of MiX-math.
Then just jokes about the two votes against them.

Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there.  Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping.  Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!

Oh look! A case!

[MiX]

I like that case. I have to say, the way you end that post makes people not want to answer it, I think.

I'm scumreading you so I won't hop on, but I do agree with your reasoning.

Hmm. I guess you're right, it's hard to get things going when people are here sporadically.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

[2.71828.....]

I like that case. I have to say, the way you end that post makes people not want to answer it, I think.

Haha, fair

[MiX]

Math is not scum.

Swowl, uh, I forgot, let me check.

Swowl is doing a bunch of town!Swowl stuff, but...idk, I feel like there's more there. I trust ash's suspicion on him more than my read, regardless of his alignment.

Hmm. I should probably ISO him.

[2.71828.....]

And yeah. I get it. Jack isn't happening.

Let's go ahead and

Vote: ADK

To note, if ADK flips scum I am convinced Jack is town. It's an either/or. Jack didn't bus the entire S1 I don't think they are sitting on a bus right now

[mathdude]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.

At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.

At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.

Shade city

First of all, if you read my posts I have consistently attempted to engage my top scum read, jack.
Also, ADK is anything but the most convenient wagon. Right now, that distinction belongs to LaLight.
Third, I have made a case against ADK. In fact, I quoted it just recently.
Fourth, I could go build a pretend case on anyone and everyone, but that doesn't do anyone any favors and doesn't help the game.
Fifth, I am just counting at this point
Sixth, vote: mathdude

[MiX]

Town!e.

Why do you townread LL?

[2.71828.....]

Town!e.

Why do you townread LL?

I think commenting on the win con didn't have the same scummy vibe you attribute to it.

Other than that, they haven't done anything, I will vote to exile, but otherwise not today

[LaLight]

LaLight

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