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[faust]

Welcome back to Battlestar Galactica Legacy Mafia!

Mod: faust

This is a closed game for 14 players. It is designed as the second installment in a series of four games, where ideally the same player set would play each game.

Players:
1. Jack Rudd
2. 2.71828.....
3. WestCoastDidds
4. MiX
5. EFHW
6. scolapasta
7. LaLight
8. Dylan32
9. A Drowned Kernel
10. Swowl
11. gkrieg13
12. ashersky
13. Glooble
14. mathdude

Spectators tagged: infangthief
Substitutes/waiting list:

Day starts:

General rules

Changes to the usual rule sets are marked in olive.

The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!  Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Please read The Civility Pledge before signing up for any mafia game on this site.  If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play. Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.

1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:

1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any game-related source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings and the QTs specifically designed for this purpose.
3. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 12 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.

2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:

1. Day phases will last 7 days, Night lasts at least 48 hours. Night action deadline is 36 hours after night start.
2. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for an exile to occur prior to deadline.
3. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
4. Once a player is exiled, the game enters twilight until the mod locks the thread; all players including the one who was exiled may continue to post during twilight.
5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, there will be no exile.
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName.  Votes in another format may or may not be counted. This is up to the mod's discretion. Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Exile - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without an exile.
10. Any time you are dead (either via exile or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in shared Quicktopics. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
11. If the thread is locked, you may not post.  Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post.  The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked.

3. Miscellaneous/Mechanics:

1. Bold, olive text is reserved for the mod.  No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please discuss this in your role QT.  Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently.  Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed.  These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players may be issued after 24 hours of no activity.  A prodded player has 24 hours to respond or risks replacement.  A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under rule 3.9 without further notice. Players with announced VLA are exempt from this rule the first time it happens.
6. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread.  Treat this game as a commitment.  Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging. Players who fail to post for 48 hours without an announcement risk being subject to replacement and/or being modkilled without further notice.
7. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game. Do not discuss this game in any thread that is not directly related to it.
8. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, which may include modkill(s) if needed.
9. Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread.  A request to /out must only be done via a post in the role QT. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique.  (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed. Whether your request to /out will lead to replacement or a modkill is up to the mod's discretion.

[faust]

Legacy Rules

Scoring.
Players get points in each consecutive game. Winning a game awards 5 points as town. Other factions' benefits may differ. Another way to score points are character arcs, see below. The player(s) with the highest score when the game ends will be considered the overall winner(s). Scores are generally secret.

Turning points.
Certain powers, or game states, trigger turning points. If an individual player has a power that triggers a turning point, they will know. Turning points based on game states are public knowledge. In general, it will not be clear what effects a given turning point has until it is reached.

Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.

Flavor, death and exile.
Since the idea is to play the same character over multiple games, elimination from the game will not usually be flavored as dying. Instead, exiled players are sent to the brig and player that are killed by other means are incapacitated. It may be possible by certain abilities to permanently remove characters from the campaign.

Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.

Game end.
All players communally pick one permanent rule change to affect future games. The winning players may select one additional rule change. Individual players may be able to make choices for their characters. The President may execute one character that was sent to the brig. That character will die and be removed from the campaign. Doing so triggers a turning point.

[faust]

Season 2 Rules

General gameplay

The game alternates between Day phase and Night phase. The Day phase lasts 7 days, the Night phase lasts 48 hours. Any Night actions need to be submitted at least 36 hours after Night start.

The Day phase ends either when the 7 days have passed, or when an exile has been reached. If there was no exile prior to the deadline, then the game will move the Night without exile. An exile is reached when a majority of living players votes for the same player. Whenever a new phase begins, all players should carefully check the game thread as well as any QT they have access to before posting anywhere.

When a player leaves the game through exile or killing action, their flavor name and alignment will be revealed. Additionally, the types of powers they possess at the time of death are revealed. You can see these in italics in your powers.

Game-specific classifications

All players are either human or Cylon. By default, players are unaware of their species. This is not the same as alignment.

Additionally, all players are classified as either civilian or military. Players are aware of their own status at all times. This is also not the same as alignment.

In general, these classification are inspired by the flavor of the series, though liberties have been taken. Flavor knowledge is not required to play, but may enhance the experience.

Town is flavored as Town-aligned this game. The town win condition is

You win when there have been 2 Days and Nights in a row without someone being removed from the game and there is at least one Town-aligned player left alive, or when Town is the biggest faction in the game when the game ends. You earn 5 points from winning.

Radiation actions

Some actions can be done outside the decontaminated zone. They will afflict the players executing them with radiation poisoning. Radiation poisoning is a serious condition. If any player ends a second Night with radiation poisoning, trigger a turning point.

Distributable roles

There are two special distributable roles in the game: President and Admiral. They have the following role powers.

President

Executive order. After the Admiral's choice, receive 2 cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to enact within the first 48 hours of receiving them. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be enacted. Orders are executed instantaneously when you submit the order. If the Day ends before you submit an order, there will be no order executed that Day.

Admiral.

Preselect order. At the start of each Day, draw 3 cards from the Executive Order deck. You must pick one of them to discard within the first 48 hours of receiving them. If you miss this deadline, a random order will be discarded. The remaining orders are passed to the President

Select successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.

It is public knowledge who holds the office of President and Admiral. The Presidency is a civilian office. If at any time, a member of the military obtains the role of President, they have a choice to let go of all their role powers. If they do not, trigger a turning point. The Admiral is a military office. If at any time, a civilian obtains the role of Admiral, trigger a turning point.

Executive order deck

The contents of the Executive Order deck are public knowledge, as well as the size of the draw and discard pile. However, the exact contents of draw and discard pile are not public knowledge. Whenever you would draw from the Executive Order deck and there are less than 3 cards left, shuffle all cards into the deck. Executive orders that are enacted remain activated (and thus not in the deck or discard) until they no longer have an effect, at which point they are discarded.

The current contents of the executive order deck are as follows:

Special Counsel Pick a player when choosing this. After this Night, that player's alignment will be revealed, and there will be an additional Night phase.	Course to Earth Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.	Isolate Colonial One Any action targeting the President tonight will fail.
Insurrection When the President draws this, they activate it and draw a new card. Discard this at the end of the Day. The third time an Insurrection is drawn, the current President has 72 hours to Step down. If they don't, trigger a turning point.	Course to Kobol Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.	Military police force Any military player gains the power: "You may target one other player tonight, to learn which players they targeted that night." tonight only. Military players' actions cannot be detected tonight.

The following executive orders have been removed from the game:

Civilian jurisdiction Today, an exile will occur even if the game ends without a majority on a player. At the end of this day, the exile is the player with the most civilian votes rather than the player with the most votes.	Curfew For any action a player takes the following Night, they will take one fewer vote to exile on the Day after.	Presidential pardon At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.
Prioritize Choose either military or civilians. The chosen group's actions cannot be blocked or redirected tonight, and break through one layer of protection. Players from the other group may only perform one action tonight.	Vigil Tonight, all player who control the same player they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.

Turning Points

There are some events the trigger turning points which are publicly known. They are as follows:

• the role of President is unassigned
• a member of the military becomes President and refuses to give up their role powers
• the President is incapacitated at Night
• a civilian becomes Admiral
• a player ends a second Night with Radiation poisoning
• the executive order deck and discard pile combined contain 3 or fewer cards at the end of a Day
• 2 or more players of the same alignment die in the same game phase

[faust]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm still in. My preference would be for the game to start as soon as possible but that's just because I want to play

[2.71828.....]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

[Dylan32]

Still in. Would rather it not start until at least close to the end of Swowl's game that's running.

[mathdude]

Still /in
Hoping to start soon, as I was the first dead in the current game that's running.

[Jack Rudd]

/in

[MiX]

/confirm

[faust]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yep, yep!

[gkrieg13]

Sure /in

[2.71828.....]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.

Cool

/In

[WestCoastDidds]

Hooray!

[LaLight]

/confirm

[Awaclus]

I want to play but I'm not sure if I have the time. I'll confirm or /out later when I have a better grasp on what my schedule will actually be like and how much stuff I can fit into it.

[EFHW]

still /in

[scolapasta]

confirm/ing

[Swowl]

still in for sure!

[ashersky]

Confirmed.

[faust]

So we have 2 votes to start soon and one to wait until Memento is close to finishing, and no other opinions.

I'll make a compromise and send out roles when Memento starts its next Day. That will hopefully stagger Day/Night phases between the two games.

[faust]

The remaining slot will go to Awaclus if he says that he has the time to play, but if anyone wants to join in case Awaclus is busy, feel free to let me know!

[Swowl]

oh im good for whenever to start this by the way, forgot to post that.

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m good to start now!!

[Awaclus]

I think I'm going to /out.

[faust]

Alright, then we'll need one more player to join in order to start this. Anyone willing to hammer?

[Glooble]

Am I going to need to read all of season 1 to play?

[MiX]

I have mostly finished the second installment of the series. We have two open slots for new players to join. Please let me know when you would like this game to start, and confirm that you are still willing to play.

To join as a new player is it (a) necessary (b) strongly encouraged or (c) a good thing to read the last iteration?

I would obviously would read and understand the rules and setup (I know, scummy), but not sure I want to read 38 pages of game (yes, 38 pages not 76. 50 posts per page is the way to go).

I think you wouldn't need to read all the way through, but it will matter what characters people have played before. I intend to clean up that game thread a bit before this game begins so it's easier to navigate to the relevant posts.

[Glooble]

Eh, good enough for me.

/hammer.

[faust]

It was not what we assumed. The Cylon goal was not the extinction of the human race. Or at least, it was not the goal of all Cylons. It is still hard for us to understand what motivates them. When they brought the fleet under their control, they took us all back to a place we thought lost: Caprica. And sure enough, it was nowhere near the same as before. The bombs caused terrible destruction.

Among the rubble, we built a new place to live. The Cylons claim that they want to learn to coexist with the human population. The first months after our arrival, we were like prisoners, and the Cylons controlled our lives. As time passed however, they agreed to let us have more freedom, and a voice in decisions that affected humanity.

We should be under no illusion that this is a democracy. The Cylons still could wipe us out at any minute. Why they do not want to is impossible to tell. Our lives are very different now, but they are ours at least. Large parts of the planet remain contaminated by fallout, but we have built up a safe zone in the ruins of Caprica City. It has been a year since we landed here. Will this fragile peace last?

Survivor count: 24,987

Roles will be going out in the next hours. If you have a QT from the previous game, please check there for updates. Otherwise, I will send you a link.

Please check the updated rules post for this game.

Thread locked!

[faust]

Please check your QTs and let me know that you saw your role by posting in one of your QTs. Day 1 will probably start on Monday if everyone checks in by then.

[faust]

Some clarifications to avoid confusion:

- players are "removed from the game" if they are sent to the bring or incapacitated. Characters who die permanently are "removed from the campaign". these are distinct categories.
- it is still possible to complete your character arc if you are removed from the game, or even removed from the campaign, so long as you win the game.

[faust]

Not all players have confirmed yet. Night 0 will continue until at least June 21, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[faust]

Caprica lies in ruins. You have brought terrible destruction to this world and eleven others. Walking amidst the rubble, you wonder - was it all necessary? But then you recall what they did to your kind. No, the humans could not be trusted with peace. Whatever pain you caused was required to ensure the survival of the Cylons.

Day 1 begins! Thread unlocked!

MiX is President of the Colonies.
ashersky is Admiral of the Colonial Fleet.

Executive order deck: 6 in deck, 0 in discard, 3 drawn

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[2.71828.....]

Good to be back!

[Jack Rudd]

So say we all.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hi hi hi hi hi!

It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!

Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

What is cylons??? And they vote?

[2.71828.....]

Hi hi hi hi hi!

It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!

Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

What is cylons??? And they vote?

The count says 15 and there are 14 of us...

[MiX]

Well...here we go again. Wait...what?

Vote: Cylons

Speaking of: Dylan, scola, Jack. What are your flavor names?

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

Oh, and I'm town again. I wonder if people will read my posts this game, they probably did when I was scum.

Good to be back!

Welcome back e!

[2.71828.....]

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

How kind of you

[Dylan32]

Hi hi hi hi hi!

It’s good to see you all again! e! It’s been a minute!

Look at that not voting list y’all… Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

What is cylons??? And they vote?

To add to this observation:

Not Voting (15): ...

"With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile." bold added

[MiX]

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

How kind of you

What percentage of sarcasm is this post at?

[2.71828.....]

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

[MiX]

Request vote count too.

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.

[2.71828.....]

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

How kind of you

What percentage of sarcasm is this post at?

On a scale of 1-10?

Personally, I have never had an issue with how you play. Maybe I should solo the first game and see what sort of things you are referring to

[faust]

Vote Count 1.1

Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.1

Not Voting (15): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, gkrieg13, ashersky, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Ok then

[Jack Rudd]

I have the same surname as before, but rather more hair.

[Dylan32]

Request vote count too.

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.

To be fair, the people who were pressing you the hardest on stuff last game were either scum or strongly believed you to be scum, so don't act like you were being singled out unfairly lol.

[MiX]

Request vote count too.

I make it a policy to trust people to play their roles in the best way they can, to include sharing or not sharing information

Hmm, hopefully more people can have this policy.

To be fair, the people who were pressing you the hardest on stuff last game were either scum or strongly believed you to be scum, so don't act like you were being singled out unfairly lol.

I've decided I can't answer that so I won't.

Does anyone have an idea what the cylons in the voting mean?

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

[2.71828.....]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

[2.71828.....]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

[faust]

I have made some changes/clarifications to the Executive order rules, and specifically insurrection. I also modified one of the turning points. These are the changes:

Executive orders that are enacted remain activated (and thus not in the deck or discard) until they no longer have an effect, at which point they are discarded.

Insurrection
When the President draws this, they activate it and draw a new card. Discard this at the end of the Day. The third time an Insurrection is drawn, the current President has 72 hours to Step down. If they don't, trigger a turning point.

• the executive order deck and discard pile combined contain 3 or fewer cards at the end of a Day

[Jack Rudd]

XOs are Duration cards, got it.

[Glooble]

I did not read all of game one. I did skim it. I'm not sure how useful I will be on day 1, both because of my powers and because this game is so complex I need a little time to get the lay of the land.

[2.71828.....]

I did not read all of game one. I did skim it. I'm not sure how useful I will be on day 1, both because of my powers and because this game is so complex I need a little time to get the lay of the land.

I mean, it's Mafia. Vote for the bad guys.

Vote: glooble

Like that

[Glooble]

Easier said than done.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not to

[EFHW]

Hi I'm here. The first game is a blur. I'll try to look at it soon.

[Glooble]

I'm going to start off with vote: MiX because I have a problem with authority.

And I'm trying to bury the hatchet with ashersky after tunneling him hard in Memento Mafia.

[MiX]

I'm going to start off with vote: MiX because I have a problem with authority.

And I'm trying to bury the hatchet with ashersky after tunneling him hard in Memento Mafia.

Yes, everyone does. That's part of why the last game was a disaster. The other part was because I'm me.

Just because I am the President doesn't mean I'm a corrupt politician. It doesn't help that I sided with a third-party and my personal goal last game though

[Jack Rudd]

Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not to

Oh my god, you suck. Vote: A Drowned Kernel 

[MiX]

Vote: Jack Rudd until I have a reason not to

Oh my god, you suck. Vote: A Drowned Kernel 

Vote: Jack

[Dylan32]

Just because I am the President doesn't mean I'm a corrupt politician.

I mean.....

[EFHW]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

[MiX]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

[Jack Rudd]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

[MiX]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

Ash has first dibs on the cards anyway.

[Glooble]

So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?

Cool. Cool.

[gkrieg13]

So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?

Cool. Cool.

I think Glooble has the same feelings as me coming in to this after the first game. I feel like it is likelier to happen genuinely as town.

Same is not true for e.

Vote: e

[A Drowned Kernel]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

Are you claiming a power or did I miss something in the rules?

[Jack Rudd]

I'm claiming a power.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ok, then. What does the quorum power do? And why did you decide to tell us now?? (Also, hi Jack! Glad you’re back!)

MiXy…don’t be sadz. I heart you.

[Jack Rudd]

You may find, from time to time, that I use terminology from the board game by accident, and that was one of them. By quorum I meant the president's executive orders.

I mentioned it now because I was already in the lead for votes on me, and didn't want to run the risk of being exiled without mentioning it.

[mathdude]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

Well MiX, I guess you got there first (and have since moved on), but I'll do it anyway...
Vote: MiX
Reason: siding with 3p instead of his own faction in round 1.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: Jack

Suspicious of the fast claim with almost no real pressure. A few votes, yes. But it is early D1. Feels unnecessary and scummy

[2.71828.....]

So we’re all just… claiming our powers day 1?

Cool. Cool.

I think Glooble has the same feelings as me coming in to this after the first game. I feel like it is likelier to happen genuinely as town.

Same is not true for e.

Vote: e

Meh, bravado is the name of the game for me.

I really don't have a firm grasp on the mechanics, the politics of G1, or such. I just figure the best way to learn is to dive head first.

[ashersky]

vote: MiX because RVS and because MiX.

[ashersky]

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

[2.71828.....]

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

I haven't seen one.  I think people would have to claim if they changed characters

Emphasis is mine:

Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.

Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.

We know Robz' character was eliminated from the game, so we can know that either gkrieg or glooble have a brand new character.

The three of us new adds were (I assume, I didn't ask) randomly assigned to Robz, Awaclus, and Space - I was slotted to fill Awaclus' spot (big shoes to fill, I thought Awaclus played incredibly well S1). At least, I am Billy Keikeya.

[Swowl]

Hey all! Glad to be in a game.

[Swowl]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

What read? I don't believe they had posted in the game to this point?

[Swowl]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

Is there a reason we are assuming players are keeping their human/clyon status from game to game?

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

Well MiX, I guess you got there first (and have since moved on), but I'll do it anyway...
Vote: MiX
Reason: siding with 3p instead of his own faction in round 1.

Who said anything about instead? They're called third parties for a reason

Vote: mathdude

That's an interesting vote

In fact, I don't like that vote after reading mathdude from R1. Why the vote?

He swapped characters and he's played 2 more games since then. I want to test my read on him.

What read? I don't believe they had posted in the game to this point?

I love RVSing people I think I can solve D1. I think math's one of those people.

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

Is there a reason we are assuming players are keeping their human/clyon status from game to game?

Why not? EFHW registering as a cylon the other game was completely anti-town and almost irrelevant, so unless scum had a framer, I would say that they were a cylon. And given how useless the cylon tester was, I would be very surprised if it wasn't a legacy thing. Why wouldn't they keep their human/cylon status? They're the same character, after all.

[MiX]

I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

[2.71828.....]

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

Why do you think that is important?

[LaLight]

heeeeellow, friends, good to be back.

also how about an elephant in the room and town wincon?

[LaLight]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

[2.71828.....]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I hadn't even considered that, but yeah. Win-con does encourage no exile.

I still like voting for people just so we have more information, but I think that we should be careful prior to an exile

[2.71828.....]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Also, what makes you think scum doesn't have a night kill? Setup just says some actions can be done outside the decontaminated zone

[2.71828.....]

Because I really can't imagine a game where we could win if we literally sit around and do nothing.

[faust]

Vote Count 1.2

Jack Rudd (3): A Drowned Kernel, MiX, 2.71828.....
MiX (3): Glooble, mathdude, ashersky
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (7): WestCoastDidds, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Because I really can't imagine a game where we could win if we literally sit around and do nothing.

I'm against no-exile and this sums up why

[2.71828.....]

Ok, my memory is refreshed. I just asked faust in my qt if I am still a Cylon, but come to think of it, that was never a certain thing. Lalight's power and the testing machine agreed that I was, but I was human aligned. That's the part I want to emphasize. Do we still have the test?

Hmm...

Undergo testing

But I would be incredibly surprised if you weren't a cylon, assuming you kept the character.

Vote Count 1.2

Jack Rudd (3): A Drowned Kernel, MiX, 2.71828.....
MiX (3): Glooble, mathdude, ashersky
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (7): WestCoastDidds, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Testing doesn't work (at least right now)

[EFHW]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.

[MiX]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.

Radiation kills...oh! I guess we don't know this for sure. But I would be very surprised if it didn't. I'm positive scum has a normal NK though, or at least they aren't just poisoning everyone.

[mathdude]

I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

This is already a strong claim for D1... are you getting that much between Jack and e? Or do you know more than the rest of us?

[mathdude]

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

[2.71828.....]

I have a funny feeling Jack and e are on opposite alignments. If I had to guess, I'd say e's the scum one.

People should definitely claim if they swapped characters. Of course I didn't, since I'm the president.

This is already a strong claim for D1... are you getting that much between Jack and e? Or do you know more than the rest of us?

Bold strong (sometimes crazy) opinions are how MiX plays. I find it refreshing, others find it scummy

[2.71828.....]

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

I play almost exclusively on mobile, so thanks.

That being said I am a sucker for giving town reads to people who post long posts

[mathdude]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, more so poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Given the wincon, there must be an nk, or it would be too easy to accomplish. Radiation seems to kill slowly, if at all. It could just weaken or cancel powers.

Radiation kills...oh! I guess we don't know this for sure. But I would be very surprised if it didn't. I'm positive scum has a normal NK though, or at least they aren't just poisoning everyone.

Is this typical MiX, claiming something is fact when it's just an opinion? Or does MiX "know" the exact opposite to what LaLight said earlier that they have "reason to believe"?

[MiX]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

[mathdude]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

[MiX]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

[Glooble]

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

If I make it to like day 3 I usually will make a wall post or two. Or after a really eventful day 1. Honestly, Eddie flipping town in memento after my exhaustive case on him is really making me doubt my ability to play this game. It felt airtight. I'm feeling like "why bother making a case like that again?"

But we'll see.

[MiX]

You've seen 2 town games and a scum game from me. What do you think, in your humble opinion, are my town traits? My scum traits? My town tells? My scum tells?

I wasn't caught on my latest scum game by PoE alone. I was scummy, and you know it: you scumread me. Why? Voice that thought process, and you'll be able to form reads on me beyond null and scummy.

I used to text-wall long posts, with multi-quotes. But I learned recently it's easier for people to respond (specifically to quote my posts if needed, especially from mobile) if I make multiple smaller posts. So I'll try to do that more. It hurts me a little inside to multi-post, but I think I'll get over it.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

This sounds like more than just reading setup posts. It sounds like there may actually be a valid strategy in using the no exile. It's a question of whether we do it now, later, all the time... who knows? I'm sure there's more we don't know.

If I make it to like day 3 I usually will make a wall post or two. Or after a really eventful day 1. Honestly, Eddie flipping town in memento after my exhaustive case on him is really making me doubt my ability to play this game. It felt airtight. I'm feeling like "why bother making a case like that again?"

But we'll see.

Don't worry, no one can read uncle correctly.

[Glooble]

On the subject of no exile, I think I'm anti, at least for day 1? Feels like we have essentially two paths to victory and they undermine each other, but it's a lot easier to swap to the "no removals" win con later on than it is to start with it and handicap ourselves.

[MiX]

On the subject of no exile, I think I'm anti, at least for day 1? Feels like we have essentially two paths to victory and they undermine each other, but it's a lot easier to swap to the "no removals" win con later on than it is to start with it and handicap ourselves.

Awaclus' spirit remains in this game, and he says that no exiling is what lost town the previous game. I'm always going to exile, and so should we. In fact, the win condition wants us to exile early, only later should we consider not doing so.

[Glooble]

I think that was a needlessly confusing way of articulating my thoughts. Let me start over.

If we choose to no exile tonight, that gives us a chance of winning through the alternate win-con, but it decreases our chance of winning by the normal win-con enough that I don't think it's worth it, especially when we factor in not having a normal day one with wagons and an exile that we can analyze once we have more info.

PPE: MiX, but I think he's just agreeing with me.

[Glooble]

Oh, and also, vote: Jack Rudd because I'm townreading MiX now and that's the only other sizable wagon.

[MiX]

I was, indeed, agreeing with you.

I should probably not reply to everything, right? I kinda want to though.

Glooble, who do you think is scum? What do you think of my Jack vs e theory?

PPE: Oh...hmm...

Unvote if you're voting Jack because of me.

[2.71828.....]

I was, indeed, agreeing with you.

I should probably not reply to everything, right? I kinda want to though.

Glooble, who do you think is scum? What do you think of my Jack vs e theory?

PPE: Oh...hmm...

Unvote if you're voting Jack because of me.

no, you should.

The Jack vs. e theory is an interesting one, we will have to see how much stock I put in it after Jack flips.

[MiX]

Reads list because it's page 5 so there's TONS OF CONTENT (/s)

Town: Jack, Glooble, gkrieg, LL

Towny: ADK, EFHW, math

Null: ash, Swowl(?)

Scummy: Dylan, Didds, Swowl(?)

Scum: e

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

[2.71828.....]

Reads list because it's page 5 so there's TONS OF CONTENT (/s)

Town: Jack, Glooble, gkrieg, LL

Towny: ADK, EFHW, math

Null: ash, Swowl(?)

Scummy: Dylan, Didds, Swowl(?)

Scum: e

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

Nothing like a good reads list to get yourself on everyone's town list. It seems to be a little topsy turvy, but you know, E for Effort!

[MiX]

Vote: 2.71828..... for brig leader!

That's like the first time I've written your name. At least if you count the dots.

[2.71828.....]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

[2.71828.....]

Vote: 2.71828..... for brig leader!

That's like the first time I've written your name. At least if you count the dots.

You got all 5 dots! I don't know why I did that.  I was a young crazy college kid....8 years ago....

[2.71828.....]

To be fair, it has been less than 24 hours since day start.

[MiX]

Huh, I looked through the not voting people and I could've swore all of them posted.

Are you scumreading me e, I don't get it.

[2.71828.....]

Huh, I looked through the not voting people and I could've swore all of them posted.

Are you scumreading me e, I don't get it.

no, you are town.  100%

I am just suffering from post mafia deprivation syndrome and getting all the posts that I didn't make over the last year all at once

[Swowl]

Don't worry, no one can read uncle correctly.

I ROFLcoptered at this. So true.

[Swowl]

Damn man - start my morning re read of the "MiX and E! in the Morning" show...

[Swowl]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

What leads you to believe no night kill? Given the win con, that just like... seems unlikely.

[mathdude]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

[MiX]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

I continue to fail to understand how this makes me more likely to be scum instead of town.

Do you not consider all outcomes as scum too?

[MiX]

Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

Like if you already know my answer then how is it alignment indicative?

[mathdude]

Here's a hint, math: as any alignment, I will only say what I know from public knowledge. But! I will not say something that I know is false due to private information. This can bite me in the ass as scum, but because I say things with this level of confidence about everything, scum can't know when I have inside info.

Did that clarify anything?

Doesn't help me much. Just confirms to me that I will likely always have a very hard time town-reading you. I'll either be unsure or see you as scummy.

How is this scummy?

It's just not the way I approach the game. I see there as many possible outcomes since I don't have all the info and need to make assumptions. And I state things as such: "maybe... this or this". You state things as fact. Then you get questioned on how you "know" something and say you just believe it's true. I find that scummy.

I continue to fail to understand how this makes me more likely to be scum instead of town.

Do you not consider all outcomes as scum too?

Thinking you are scum and finding something you do scummy are two different things. Sometimes related, but different.

I find your playstyle scummy. I'm working to distinguish real reads from your playstyle. At the moment, I don't know how I feel about you yet this game. But I think I have a problem with authority!

[MiX]

What is "scummy"?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

[MiX]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

Nightmare team!

[mathdude]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

Nightmare team!

Nightmare for us probably. I think it would be difficult and awkward for us to still interact in game. I do look forward to that challenge one game, hopefully soon. But it's not this one.

[mathdude]

What is "scummy"?

Hard to really say. A gut feel?
Probably the simplest approximation is to say something that feels like it's helping scum or at least harming town, more than it's helping town..

An example could be role claiming a role that is usually scum. It looks scummy, but may not make me think they're scum. I think someone did that in a recent game, claiming Prostitute... my initial reaction was "scum would actually fake claim, so that must be a weird town role" (I don't remember if they ended up being town or scum, but I think I was just watching from speccy).

[mathdude]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

[WestCoastDidds]

Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.

Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so

Vote: LaLight

[Dylan32]

--snip--

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I have reason to believe this is not the case.

Like several have already said, hard pass on an early no exile, but unlike Didds I don't think scum!LL would drop that second line right at their entrance to the game.

[Dylan32]

Tomorrow afternoon I am going to be out of town for a wedding and all the associated events with being in the wedding party, so I'll be VLA until Sunday evening. I should be able to check in a few times throughout the rest of the week, but I might miss a day or two.

[gkrieg13]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

I definitely don’t like this policy vote.

[ashersky]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

[2.71828.....]

Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.

Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so

Vote: LaLight

Nice refreshing cheerful Didds. 

[2.71828.....]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

I definitely don’t like this policy vote.

I agree.  I posted in part to highlight just how "way-too-early" MiX's reads list was.  But also in part to gently prod people for more content.

[2.71828.....]

I went back and read Jack's S1.  Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum.  Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1


Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.

[2.71828.....]

To note - if there is anything someone thinks I should definitely take note of in S1 let me know.  I have just been reading as I go.  For example, solo-ing Jack to either help confirm or weaken my scum read.

[Jack Rudd]

One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.

[mathdude]

PPE: No, I shouldn't. I'm pretty sure this was proven a few games ago. Now, should I try? Maybe yes, maybe you're right.

but no, I get it.  The more you post the more chance people have to find something scummy in between the lines.  There is a reason scum are able to lurk to a win.

Speaking of lurking....

Players:
1. Jack Rudd - 7 posts
2. 2.71828..... - 21 posts
3. WestCoastDidds - 2 posts
4. MiX - 20 posts
5. EFHW - 3 posts
6. scolapasta - 0 posts
7. LaLight - 2 posts
8. Dylan32 - 3 posts
9. A Drowned Kernel - 3 posts
10. Swowl - 3 posts
11. gkrieg13 - 1 post
12. ashersky - 2 posts
13. Glooble - 8 posts
14. mathdude - 5 posts

vote: scola

It's been long enough. Where are you?

I definitely don’t like this policy vote.

I agree.  I posted in part to highlight just how "way-too-early" MiX's reads list was.  But also in part to gently prod people for more content.

You post like you did to "gently prod" someone. I vote for them to do the same... especially D1 RVS. I don't expect my vote wil stay there unless scola shows up with obv!scum responses.

[mathdude]

Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".

[MiX]

Holy content, Batman! I’m on family vacation this week so I don’t have the bandwidth to keep up with the line by line, but I’m definitely following the bigger throughlines.

Mix’s list is upside down. Glooble shouldn’t feel bad about whiffing on Eddie. Math’s shorter responses are appreciated. E is back and being awesome. He feels somewhat scummy but I’m not gonna vote for him because I’ve missed him. Where’s Scola? I feel like we lost before when we couldn’t get an exile off so

Vote: LaLight

Nice refreshing cheerful Didds.

Nice buddying?

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: mix

[MiX]

vote: mix

Is Jack townie now?

[A Drowned Kernel]

No but you're scummier

[MiX]

No but you're scummier

Neat.

Vote: ADK

[A Drowned Kernel]

Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something

[EFHW]

Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".

We vote to prod all the time, so I'm confused by gkrieg's reaction. However, it is not felt as a gentle prod. More like an energetic one.

[gkrieg13]

Also, it's not a policy vote. If it was, I would have clearly stated it s such. I would have asked others to vote too if scola didn't show up by X time. As I said, it's just a "gentle prod".

Why did you vote for scola specifically. Or would you have voted for anyone in their position, like you have a policy that you vote for people who haven’t participated in a game at all at a certain point?

Eh, probably not worth arguing over whether it was policy or not. I just think it jumped too quickly on the “I can do something that other people do all the time so that I fit in and look townie”. I also disagree that it is RVS if you had a valid reason to vote for someone.

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

Because I’m usually soooo loud D1.

[scolapasta]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

[MiX]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.

Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.

[Dylan32]

I went back and read Jack's S1.  Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum.  Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1


Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.

One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.

I feel it's also important to note, Jack was scum in season one of this, and he was very much new!scum who didn't know how to interact, and rapidly offering up info is something completely opposite of what I saw as his partner in that round. Like, we were constantly trying to get him to share his thoughts and opinions and fake reads, anything, but it turned out that just playing the "I'm new and have no idea what to do to even say anything" worked out for him (and the scum team as a whole). Given that context, and that he subbed in as mafia for his second game ever, in which he still felt very similar to his first game, this feels a lot more like new town that is excited to have something they can say truthfully without having to worry about lying.

[scolapasta]

I went back and read Jack's S1.  Very minimal, but doesn't feel "lurky" scum as much as "tentative not really sure how to interact" scum.  Which I guess is how you could define lurking. How many other games have you been in Jack? Would love to see more thoughts on stuff this here in S2 than in S1


Still not a fan of how quickly Jack decided to claim as a defense - 2 votes in RVS is nothing. But is it scummy? I am going to leave my vote there for now.

One other game, as a replacement for a Mafioso who had gone AWOL. I didn't last very long.

I feel it's also important to note, Jack was scum in season one of this, and he was very much new!scum who didn't know how to interact, and rapidly offering up info is something completely opposite of what I saw as his partner in that round. Like, we were constantly trying to get him to share his thoughts and opinions and fake reads, anything, but it turned out that just playing the "I'm new and have no idea what to do to even say anything" worked out for him (and the scum team as a whole). Given that context, and that he subbed in as mafia for his second game ever, in which he still felt very similar to his first game, this feels a lot more like new town that is excited to have something they can say truthfully without having to worry about lying.

Yeah, this is my current Jack read, as well.

[WestCoastDidds]

But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.

Hi Scola! Glad you could make it.  Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!

I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.

[MiX]

But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.

Hi Scola! Glad you could make it.  Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!

I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.

I don't know what town Jack does. But I don't think scum Jack does that.

[WestCoastDidds]

But does town Jack just share role stuff so early with what really was almost no pressure? Maybe, I guess. But I think it’s strange.

Hi Scola! Glad you could make it.  Dylan! I love weddings, I hope it’s super fun and that the cake is delicious. Please report back. MiXy, I’m the everybuddy!

I did not switch people because Starbuck is the best nickname of any character ever.

I don't know what town Jack does. But I don't think scum Jack does that.

Hmmmm….okay, yeah. I guess we haven’t seen town Jack yet. Or even just more active Jack. So, hard to know. But I think I’m maybe agreeing with you.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, what MiX said.

[EFHW]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.

Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.

It does seem like it isn't humans vs. cylons this season. Does anyone who knows the flavor have an idea of who town and scum might represent? I have reason to believe it's not military vs. civilian, assuming that I haven't been given a personal arc that is impossible to achieve.

[mathdude]

Hi all. Sorry for the late catchup; it's been a little busy... Will go back and reread things at some point later.

One thing I noticed, MiX, when did mathdude say they switched characters? Did I miss that.

For the record, I switched. I wasn't sure what it'd be like to be what seemed to be a Cylon (my flavor was a number) as town aligned for season 2 (or if scum, have a huge target). That said, now I'm not so sure - did anyone else notice the flavor text? It reads from the point of view of Cylons, no? Not sure how to interpret that.

Well, the cylons did win. And unlike the previous game, they don't seem to be the bad guys.

Math mentioned switching characters in post-game.

I will neither confirm nor deny whether I followed through with that switch in my QT. I'm not sure at the moment if it's helpful.

[mathdude]

unvote

If I had to vote today, I'd be okay putting a vote on MiX, ADK, LL, or gkrieg at the moment. But I'm glad we still have time, as those are just gut feelings for now.

I'm happy with the arguments made for town!Jack for now, even though claiming that early does not look townie to me.

[2.71828.....]

vote: ADK

I feel like this is a better place for my vote.

[faust]

Vote Count 1.3

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, MiX, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (1): WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (7): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, Cylons, mathdude

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: ADK

I feel like this is a better place for my vote.

Why?

[faust]

The following executive order has been enacted:

Vigil
Tonight, all player who control the same player they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.

[scolapasta]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

[2.71828.....]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

What is there to discuss in advance?

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.

Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.

[2.71828.....]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.

Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.

I did!

[2.71828.....]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

[2.71828.....]

Looking at the deck again that may be the best we could have gotten D2

[2.71828.....]

Looking at the deck again that may be the best we could have gotten D2

Day 1

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

Last time I decided to get opinions publicly it backfired so now I decided to trust ash more than the thread.

Also, no one actually answered my initial question of how open I should be.

I did!

You actually did not. Your best answer was "I trust you to reveal as much as necessary" or something like that, which does not answer my question.

Well, whatever, it's not like it was important.

[mathdude]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I don't think it's that interesting there was no discussion... it's MiX! (Well, and see MiX's response).

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I don't think it's that interesting there was no discussion... it's MiX! (Well, and see MiX's response).

I am not the executive order.

[LaLight]

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

[MiX]

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

No, we should definitely exile today.

No, we should definitely not exile me today.

[Swowl]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.

[Swowl]

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

No, we should definitely exile today.

No, we should definitely not exile me today.

100% agree we should exile today.
Currently >50% agree it shouldn't be MiX.

Vote: LaLight

[Swowl]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

What does this mean?
Do you not have a QT with the Admiral?

[2.71828.....]

OK, here's a genuine reason not to vote for me: I can keep an eye on what the President is doing with the quorum.

What are your thoughts on the executive order?

[MiX]

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

I didn't try to reason with ash, and I bet he didn't try to reason with me either.

What does this mean?
Do you not have a QT with the Admiral?

No, I don't. It's part of why I wanted to keep the vice-president.

[MiX]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.

Chaos is good. I also want Dylan and Jack to claim whatever power they'll use N1, I'm very curious what powers scum had in the first game.

Also, do note that I only had 2 choices.

[mathdude]

I would say that is a fairly townie play, especially D1.

Puts a lot of different actions on the table

Interesting - I kind of think of it the other way I guess. Creates a lot of chaos that is harder to track down the road in terms of results.

Chaos is good. I also want Dylan and Jack to claim whatever power they'll use N1, I'm very curious what powers scum had in the first game.

Also, do note that I only had 2 choices.

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

[MiX]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

[2.71828.....]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

"Isn't healthy" more like "is scummy"

[MiX]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

"Isn't healthy" more like "is scummy"

Why would it be scummy? Math always does this.

[Glooble]

The thing about this executive order is it seems like very few people switched characters? I assume ashersky asked this on page four because he'd seen the available Executive orders and was trying to judge how useful/ detrimental this one would be:

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

And then I assume he passed it along to MiX, who then asks people to explicitly claim if they swapped characters and... no one does? Even mathdude, who MiX was assuming swapped, won't confirm. So I'm confused as to why MiX enacted this order which is only going to affect people who either chose to stay silent or lie... which is more likely to be scum than town.

MiX, want to walk me through that?

[Glooble]

Wait, I just re-read the executive order and I had it completely backwards. Never mind, question withdrawn.

[Glooble]

Looking at it now, it seems like town is more likely to get use out of the power flexibility than scum, just because of sheer numbers. So I'm cool with it, even though not having played the previous game, I have to miss out.

[MiX]

Wait, I just re-read the executive order and I had it completely backwards. Never mind, question withdrawn.

If it helps, I didn't think about asking people if they swapped characters because of the order. I'm really just assuming that the Vigil is overall pro-town.

[EFHW]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

[MiX]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.4

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, MiX, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl

Not Voting (6): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

[Glooble]

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

[2.71828.....]

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

I mean, it is D1 so any "case" is going to be pretty flimsy.  This is what got me voting ADK:

Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something

ADK starts with a RVS on Jack.  Sure.
ADK then moves over to MiX for some reason, with a way-too-early scum team call of MiX-math.
Then just jokes about the two votes against them.

Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there.  Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping.  Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!

[mathdude]

And you want them to tell us publicly before night starts, so you can see if there's any way to keep you and your scum buddies safe at night?

No. I was thinking about everyone claiming what they did with Vigil tomorrow, as it gives no new info to scum about their real powers.

Ok this actually makes some sense then.

You do understand that shading me like this whenever I talk isn't healthy, right?

Why wouldn't it be healthy? Am I going to go insane by engaging with you?

I think between your online times and your posting style, you are one of the easier ones for me to interact with. I'd like to do similar with ash and Swowl as well, as I think some things they say are things I'd want to get multiple back and forth posts about (in general, not necessarily specific to this game). But they both post mostly when I'm sleeping, and by the time I'm online the things I want to reply to have been addressed by others.

Based on online times, I could see myself engaging a lot with e soon, but this is my first game with them so I'm more observing at the moment.

Most other players, I'll respond to things as needed. But lucky you, MiX... I think you will be my day-1 go-to, for my first vote, my first person to bug, and the one I will try to get a read on first.

PPE: a few... I started this post a while ago.

[Glooble]

Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there.  Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping.  Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!

You know me, I don't hop on wagons easily, not this early in the day. Jack's random partial claim was weird, and felt more like nervous scum than nervous town to me.

[2.71828.....]

Based on online times, I could see myself engaging a lot with e soon, but this is my first game with them so I'm more observing at the moment.

observing is overrated

[2.71828.....]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

[Glooble]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

Who do you mean?

[EFHW]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

[Jack Rudd]

My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.

[EFHW]

My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.

But you implied you were keeping an eye on it in general to protect town's interests. This is just about your own.

[ashersky]

So, anyone want to both claim military and make an argument for being my successor?

Also, work has been nuts, sorry for the less than normal activity.  I should be back to normal next week.

[mathdude]

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

MiX's vote is on ADK and everything MiX says in game is a fact. So that should be enough to move your vote there. Oh, and MiX is president and we follow our authority figures.

Hmm, my gut says
Vote: LaLight

[WestCoastDidds]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

EFHW was military, I think, but not a viper. That was me, Swowl, lalight, and adk. We do not have a viper qt this game.

[MiX]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

EFHW was military, I think, but not a viper. That was me, Swowl, lalight, and adk. We do not have a viper qt this game.

I don't know how, but I confused LL with EFHW. I guess the important role EFHW had in the first game was...registering as a cylon? Okay.

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

MiX's vote is on ADK and everything MiX says in game is a fact. So that should be enough to move your vote there. Oh, and MiX is president and we follow our authority figures.

Hmm, my gut says
Vote: LaLight

I am in fact voting for ADK. I hope I didn't imply I'm voting scum, I'm only trying to do that.

I like your gut.

[Dylan32]

Re: executive order, my game 1 character had limited shot abilities that were used up, so regardless of whether I did or didn’t switch those powers are not accessible to me.

[Swowl]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

Why the interest in the Viper QT?

[Swowl]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

are you asking about who? mathdude here yeah?

[Swowl]

Also I think we should stop claiming pre night actions at the very minimum whether you swapped out or not. I fail to see how claiming that today is helpful.

[2.71828.....]

question though - scum who doesn't want to upset the apple cart?

Or town who gets scared to say something that might be percieved scummy?

are you asking about who? mathdude here yeah?

Yeah, I was referencing my last post without quoting it

[2.71828.....]

Basically disagreeing with the position that observing is a better way to learn about a player rather than engaging.

Which I get is most of the time personality driven rather than alignment driven. But that is also why scum lurk. Because the more they engage the more the possibility exists that something will slip up

[2.71828.....]

My thought on the executive order was that it doesn't affect me, because I swapped characters. I have no way of knowing which faction it helps most at the moment.

Let me be more precise in my question: did you have any visibility on today's executive order options? Before the choice was made?

Back to vote: Jack

The claim was (1) too early and (2) legitimately scummy.

While the use of executive orders can be done in such a way that it benefits scum the most, it is absolutely one of the best ways for scum to claim towniness. "But look, I executed a townie executive order, I must be town" - says every scum!president ever. (Not accusing MiX of being scum here, just generalizing).

The claim about monitoring what the president does with the executive order deck just falls kind of flat to me when taking it all together.

But first, Jack. How does that power work?

[Jack Rudd]

I get to see at night what powers were discarded.

[Swowl]

I get to see at night what powers were discarded.

so you claimed in a situation where if you had to give information today... you could not?

[Swowl]

ash - what card did you discard?

[2.71828.....]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

[EFHW]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

Why the interest in the Viper QT?

My power last time was to create qts. It seemed pretty redundant when I learned how many qts already existed. The viper qt in particular had its own mini game going unknown to the rest of us.  If that's happening again, I want to know.

[MiX]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

[2.71828.....]

So..... Any other thoughts 3 days before deadline heading into a weekend?

[Swowl]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

[2.71828.....]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.

Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort

[Swowl]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.

Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort

Ok... then what is the reasoning behind waiting on knowing the discarded cards?

And I will save you the time - I have not explained that vote. So, nothing to find. I find the way they entered the game kind of phishy and I don't like any of the other cases that are surrounded by interaction rn.

[WestCoastDidds]

Is the viper qt a thing again?

I guess you swapped characters?

Why? I wasn't in it before.

Why the interest in the Viper QT?

My power last time was to create qts. It seemed pretty redundant when I learned how many qts already existed. The viper qt in particular had its own mini game going unknown to the rest of us.  If that's happening again, I want to know.

Oh right…create qts.  That was cool.
Yeah, no viper at and if there was, I think you’d be right in wanting to know about it.

[mathdude]

I did feel that Jack was just town, trying to provide helpful info when he first claimed (and maybe giving some benefit of the doubt from being new). But I've gone back to read again...

You may find, from time to time, that I use terminology from the board game by accident, and that was one of them. By quorum I meant the president's executive orders.

I mentioned it now because I was already in the lead for votes on me, and didn't want to run the risk of being exiled without mentioning it.

If he actually could keep an eye on president executive order stuff, I suspect this would have been fairly clear to him in QT. So slipping up by calling it quorum from the game (apparently... I know nothing about the game) definitely sounds like a more scummy thing to make up an early, believable claim.

I think my vote will switch to Jack, but I'll give him a chance to respond first.

So..... Any other thoughts 3 days before deadline heading into a weekend?

And yes, this. The game seems to be stagnating. Guess there's not much to talk about?

[ashersky]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

For the first time ever, MiX and I agree?  Scary.

Seriously though, if we were revealing to test Jack, we definitely go the other way around -- they are the claimant.  If we give info, he uses it to claim.

I mean, I can just lie to test/trick him, but still.  WIFOM.

Besides, if you look at the list of cards, I'm sure you can think of reasons why mafia want to know what cards are not in play.

[ashersky]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

[Swowl]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Not what I am doing - but more importantly, got a good laugh out of the fact that this post is you... "obliquely supporting Jack while while maintaining a throwaway vote on ADK".

Also what is NGBED1LL?

[Swowl]

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

Seriously though, if we were revealing to test Jack, we definitely go the other way around -- they are the claimant.  If we give info, he uses it to claim.
*snipped*

I get the logic, that is why I asked if it was because of Jack or if there was another reason I was not getting.

[Glooble]

I had no idea the deadline was that soon. I’m in Minnesota with my family- I can read the thread and check in occasionally but I don’t have much bandwidth. I’ll keep an eye on things as best I can.

[Jack Rudd]

If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.

I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.4

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, MiX, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (2): WestCoastDidds, Swowl

Not Voting (6): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Since this I voted jack and math voted lalight.

EFHW, pasta, Lalight, Dylan - anything?

[2.71828.....]

If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.

I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.

I just make up scum tells as I go, sometimes I am even right about my read!

[2.71828.....]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

[2.71828.....]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

Because I’m usually soooo loud D1.

vote: ADK

I feel like this is a better place for my vote.

Why?

Huh, I forgot all about the executive order - interesting that there was no discussion about it.

weirdely I've read two pages and nothing really went on.

I am opposed to d1 exile, not only for a reason of wincon, but also because this is an RMM and we really shouldn't exile d1, when so much stuff happens at night.

i mean we can also exile MiX

Last posts 2.5 days ago, 2 days ago....

Request prod: gkrieg, ADK, scolapasta, LaLight

[Swowl]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?

[Swowl]

If I actually had any info at the moment, I would give it. But I don't, and won't have till this night phase.

I have no clue who is on which side at the moment, possibly because I'm unfamiliar with this group in general and their scum tells.

Yeah that is my point. Why did you claim when you have potential to have information but you don't actually have it yet?

[2.71828.....]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?

I switched back to Jack

[faust]

Vote Count 1.5

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): Jack Rudd, MiX
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (3): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude

Not Voting (5): EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

Request prod: gkrieg, ADK, scolapasta, LaLight

Prods sent.

[Swowl]

Also, very much opposed to a lalight exile, it just feels like a lazy vote

They do need to post more, but of their 3 posts basically just stated they are pro-no exile. Which is definitely not a mainstream opinion. In my experience people who go out and state opinions like that and end up getting exiled end up flipping town

I feel like my reason for LaLight is better than a reason I have seen for ADK? Why are you voting for ADK?

I switched back to Jack

Facts. My mistake.

[Swowl]

I mean... kind of facts.
I still feel like my justification for LL is better than the reasons made for ADK.

Still waiting for an answer from Jack.

[2.71828.....]

I don't get it - do you two think Jack is lying? I fail to see the difference between today and tomorrow outside of that.
I also really do not care that much at this point as long as the info gets revealed.

But If it is not the Jack thing, then what is it? Or is it just the Jack thing?

I mean, yeah. I think Jack is more likely scum than most other people at this point. I don't think that necessarily means he is lying about being able to surveil the executive order deck.

Remind me what your case on lalight is please. I could go back and look but that is a lot of effort

Ok... then what is the reasoning behind waiting on knowing the discarded cards?

And I will save you the time - I have not explained that vote. So, nothing to find. I find the way they entered the game kind of phishy and I don't like any of the other cases that are surrounded by interaction rn.

I mean... kind of facts.
I still feel like my justification for LL is better than the reasons made for ADK.

Still waiting for an answer from Jack.

Care to share that justification? I don't believe you have actually shared that justification for your vote yet

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, haha. You explained it in the first quote

[2.71828.....]

To summarize your justification (correct me if I am wrong):

- Lalight entered the game "kind of phishy"
- you don't like cases on anyone else

Can you expand on "kind of phishy"?

[MiX]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Vote: Swowl

[gkrieg13]

Need to go back and read stuff.

[gkrieg13]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Ash seems very off here, but I’m not sure if it is in a scummy way.

[WestCoastDidds]

Still on family vacation, so apologies if I’m missing detail.

I voted for LL because I didn’t like the no exile certainty. I expected to move my vote when we heard more from him. All we have heard since then is him leaning into no exile. Then poof. I know he’s not on much on weekends, but that doesn’t explain the two days prior to today. I literally have nothing go up clear him on except that it might be dumb to be so upfront about no exile.

The quorum stuff with Jack isn’t a good look. First I thought it was scummy, then not do much, now maybe I’m back to scummy. Jack is still a cipher yo me and I haven’t seen town Jack, so I have no basis for comparisons.

Still think e is a little scummy, not gonna vote for him though. (E, we saw the USWNT play Nigeria and I wore my World Cup shirt from Lyon!)

I don’t like the Votes for MiX. He seems on brand to me.

MiX, why Swowl? EFHW, what are you thinking?

Also, it would be nice to hear from Scola and ADK.

[MiX]

I'm voting Swowl because I want to sheep ash. His FoS on Swowl was very interesting, and I wanted to see where that would go.

But I do think the person most likely to be scum is

Vote: LL

[MiX]

I have a bunch of thoughts floating, so let's see if I can ground them.

LL feels like they're playing too much into what they think town will townread them for. I don't think LL has tried to play for town yet.

E feels very scummy, he's trying hard to be townred, but I don't see him trying to catch scum at all. Feels like he's vibing but without playing.

Swowl is doing a bunch of town!Swowl stuff, but...idk, I feel like there's more there. I trust ash's suspicion on him more than my read, regardless of his alignment.

ADK was being ADK, which I think actually comes from scum!ADK more than town!ADK. But I can't really scumread that, ADK is someone that takes time to read.

gkrieg...is town, I think? I forgot why, and I'm writing this so I don't forget that I don't think he should be as townread by me as he is right now.

There are my current thoughts about my scum reads, or feels-like-they-should-be-scum reads.

Need to go back and read stuff.

Did you find anything else to talk about?

[LaLight]

well, i didn't really played into looking town, I don't do that. I am very surprised that for the first time in infinity we have a different wincon and we don't do anything about that.

[LaLight]

if you want to lynch and for some reason or other don't want to lynch MiX, let's do vote: Swowl

[LaLight]

*exile, I am sorry.

[mathdude]

well, i didn't really played into looking town, I don't do that. I am very surprised that for the first time in infinity we have a different wincon and we don't do anything about that.

There is a valid argument here. But it's not our only wincon. If we have a night with no kill, then it absolutely makes sense to go for it I think. But until we know that, let's at least try to figure out who scum is, and not presumably give them a free kill at night where we potentially learn nothing about people's reads on others.

[scolapasta]

Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)

If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.

[EFHW]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

[LaLight]

Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)

If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.

how is he newish?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.6

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in 32 hours.

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.6

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, 2.71828.....
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in 32 hours.

Don't like the lalight wagon, jack isn't realistically going to happen.

I take don't know where to go at this point without more people showing up to play

[MiX]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

[2.71828.....]

*conversation

[MiX]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

So, uh, ADK. Seems a bit late for RVS but I'm not seeing much of a case either. Anyone want to try and convince me to move my vote there?

I mean, it is D1 so any "case" is going to be pretty flimsy.  This is what got me voting ADK:

Two OMGUS's in a row? Maybe I'm onto something

ADK starts with a RVS on Jack.  Sure.
ADK then moves over to MiX for some reason, with a way-too-early scum team call of MiX-math.
Then just jokes about the two votes against them.

Just very chill, very nonchalant, easygoing....scum? I like having some pressure there.  Not a compelling case to be sure, but what is your "case" on Jack? Looks like it was just wagon hopping.  Why the hesitancy now to hop on a new one? Too far into D1? Are they your scum partner!??!?!?!?!?!?!

Oh look! A case!

[MiX]

I like that case. I have to say, the way you end that post makes people not want to answer it, I think.

I'm scumreading you so I won't hop on, but I do agree with your reasoning.

Hmm. I guess you're right, it's hard to get things going when people are here sporadically.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

[2.71828.....]

I like that case. I have to say, the way you end that post makes people not want to answer it, I think.

Haha, fair

[MiX]

Math is not scum.

Swowl, uh, I forgot, let me check.

Swowl is doing a bunch of town!Swowl stuff, but...idk, I feel like there's more there. I trust ash's suspicion on him more than my read, regardless of his alignment.

Hmm. I should probably ISO him.

[2.71828.....]

And yeah. I get it. Jack isn't happening.

Let's go ahead and

Vote: ADK

To note, if ADK flips scum I am convinced Jack is town. It's an either/or. Jack didn't bus the entire S1 I don't think they are sitting on a bus right now

[mathdude]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.

At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.

[2.71828.....]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.

At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.

Shade city

First of all, if you read my posts I have consistently attempted to engage my top scum read, jack.
Also, ADK is anything but the most convenient wagon. Right now, that distinction belongs to LaLight.
Third, I have made a case against ADK. In fact, I quoted it just recently.
Fourth, I could go build a pretend case on anyone and everyone, but that doesn't do anyone any favors and doesn't help the game.
Fifth, I am just counting at this point
Sixth, vote: mathdude

[MiX]

Town!e.

Why do you townread LL?

[2.71828.....]

Town!e.

Why do you townread LL?

I think commenting on the win con didn't have the same scummy vibe you attribute to it.

Other than that, they haven't done anything, I will vote to exile, but otherwise not today

[LaLight]

I'm not used to 2.7 being this active. don't know what that means though

[2.71828.....]

I'm not used to 2.7 being this active. don't know what that means though

It means my wife and kids are on vacation and I don't join them until next week (see v/la). Promise, I will be back to no normal after that

[WestCoastDidds]

Kids?!? Did y’all have another baby? Mazel tov!

[mathdude]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.

At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.

Shade city

First of all, if you read my posts I have consistently attempted to engage my top scum read, jack.
Also, ADK is anything but the most convenient wagon. Right now, that distinction belongs to LaLight.
Third, I have made a case against ADK. In fact, I quoted it just recently.
Fourth, I could go build a pretend case on anyone and everyone, but that doesn't do anyone any favors and doesn't help the game.
Fifth, I am just counting at this point
Sixth, vote: mathdude

Ok, so you obviously don't like being called out. If I had actually voted for you in that quoted post, this would be OMGUS. Do you like counting? Did you do that just for me? That's so nice and thoughtful. But there's more to math than just counting.

[WestCoastDidds]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

[WestCoastDidds]

I forgot Jack. He goes on my lean scummy list.

[LaLight]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

i really really don't, i need time to engage

[2.71828.....]

That's so nice and thoughtful. But there's more to math than just counting.

I don't know, counting is pretty fundamental. Really, I felt as though your post just showed that you hadn't actually read my game.

Oh, and yeah, it is totally OMGUS even without you voting. Don't take that away from me just because you deal in shade and not in black and white votes.

I get it, that voting record is hard to hide from, a lot easier for scum to just shade everything

[LaLight]

don't want it to sound as an excuse, but i have a wedding next saturday and i am a bit swamped. also will be vla next weekends (as actually my sig says)

[2.71828.....]

don't want it to sound as an excuse, but i have a wedding next saturday and i am a bit swamped. also will be vla next weekends (as actually my sig says)

Before you go vote for mathdude!

[faust]

Vote Count 1.7

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): Jack Rudd
2.71828..... (1): gkrieg13
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX
Swowl (1): LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW
mathdude (1): 2.71828.....

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in less than 24 hours.

[EFHW]

I still like gkrieg for exile, but I'd vote math for his most recent outrageous shading.

[LaLight]

don't want it to sound as an excuse, but i have a wedding next saturday and i am a bit swamped. also will be vla next weekends (as actually my sig says)

Before you go vote for mathdude!

is it a good omen?

vote: mathdude

[WestCoastDidds]

I find it hilarious that it seems that mathdude is anti-counting. It seems like it would be on brand…

[MiX]

Math's not dying D1 again lmao.

Will you be available at deadline LL?

[mathdude]

That's so nice and thoughtful. But there's more to math than just counting.

I don't know, counting is pretty fundamental. Really, I felt as though your post just showed that you hadn't actually read my game.

Oh, and yeah, it is totally OMGUS even without you voting. Don't take that away from me just because you deal in shade and not in black and white votes.

I get it, that voting record is hard to hide from, a lot easier for scum to just shade everything

You are correct that I didn't go back and read your whole game before making that post - most of my posting is done from my phone, so it's just a bit harder to do that.

I believe you probably have the most posts in this thread, yet I don't recall much memorable that you have posted. When I read that one, it felt like I said - "someone else tell me why a person is scummy and I'll vote for them". Now that you and others have replied, I realize there were a couple actual useful posts you've made - sorry for not remembering them.

But since I was replying to a single post, that's part of the reason I didn't vote for you at the same time. Give you a chance to respond. And I would have been ready to move on, after the responses, but now you have made a big deal out of it.

[mathdude]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

And this is why I think I get voted out each D1 as town. The day stalls, people don't seem around, I try to actually keep discussions going, and then my posts get nitpicked and people bandwagon since it's approaching deadline.

[MiX]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

And this is why I think I get voted out each D1 as town. The day stalls, people don't seem around, I try to actually keep discussions going, and then my posts get nitpicked and people bandwagon since it's approaching deadline.

That happened once, lol.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, that is funny, MiX

[mathdude]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

And this is why I think I get voted out each D1 as town. The day stalls, people don't seem around, I try to actually keep discussions going, and then my posts get nitpicked and people bandwagon since it's approaching deadline.

That happened once, lol.

It actually happened once.

 I was starting to be tunneled when I got randomly killed during the day, D1 in another (because the person tried to protect me, from my understanding) but it was a random that ended up killing.

It was happening again when I was scum one game but MiX and a couple others wouldn't let people kill me D1 again.

It didn't get a chance to happen in Memento recently because I self-sabbotaged to use my vengeful cup.

And now it's starting here. e makes an aggressive response, points a finger at me, LL jumps on, and EFHW is ready to join as well.

So yes, you're right it has only happened once. But I'm also right that it seems to be a trend.

[MiX]

It was happening again when I was scum one game but MiX and a couple others wouldn't let people kill me D1 again.

Importantly, I was specifically not in that game

But I was the reason it happened the first time, so I'll take that.


Also, the champs game is starting soon, so here's my official declaration that I will not be paying much attention to this game in terms of reading people until the game is over. I will try to play a lot of attention to this game's mechanics, though.

[EFHW]

@mathdude, you are getting wagons because your aggression seems out of proportion to events. Being active in keeping the game going does not on its own tend to lead to votes.

[mathdude]

Is this a group policy thing... don't stir up conversations when things die down, or we'll vote you out? I could just zip up as conversations die down, like many seem to do. Some with reasons, others just not showing up much or not saying much useful. But that doesn't seem like a fun game. Maybe D1 in games should be half as long as other days?

But I'll keep poking and prodding. I do it early D1 in RVS. I'll keep doing it near the end of D1s if we haven't figured out where to go yet.

[Glooble]

I am not interested in exiling mathdude today.

So... vote: LaLight I guess?

[MiX]

Is this a group policy thing... don't stir up conversations when things die down, or we'll vote you out? I could just zip up as conversations die down, like many seem to do. Some with reasons, others just not showing up much or not saying much useful. But that doesn't seem like a fun game. Maybe D1 in games should be half as long as other days?

But I'll keep poking and prodding. I do it early D1 in RVS. I'll keep doing it near the end of D1s if we haven't figured out where to go yet.

No, that's scum shooting you down. Please, talk as you'd like.

I'd love to know what conversations should be brought up again.

[Dylan32]

Ok, I just got back from the wedding yesterday. I kind of followed along, but I definitely need to reread who exactly was saying what, but it probably won't be here at the tail end of a 10 hour roadtrip in which I drove 4 hours and co-piloted 4 more. It is interesting that 8 different people have votes on them right now with only one actual wagon (at least currently, it seemed like there might have been a couple small ones, but I don't remember the timings). I'll be on in the morning fully rested and ready to catch up.

[mathdude]

So we're just over 15 hours from deadline. We need 8 to exile. We have 5 on LaLight, 2 on each of me and MiX, and 1 on a few others... if I'm tracking properly.

LL, the biggest wagon yet, is under the gun because of a belief that we shouldn't exile because of one of our potential wincons, I believe? From one of their posts, I got the feeling it's sort of a personal reason to no-exile, not necessarily (just) a town interest. (I can go find that post if anyone is interested).

And it definitely doesn't feel like we have 14 people playing. A few have said they are busy, and I get that real life happens. But it feels like more than those few are missing. I wonder if anyone is proddable at this point?

[mathdude]

Players:
1. Jack Rudd
2. 2.71828.....
3. WestCoastDidds
4. MiX
5. EFHW
6. scolapasta
7. LaLight
8. Dylan32
9. A Drowned Kernel
10. Swowl
11. gkrieg13
12. ashersky
13. Glooble
14. mathdude

I know it's the end of the weekend and some people are less active on weekends. But I think these people have not posted in at least 24 hours, some even for 48 hours:

prod request: Jack, scola, ADK, Swowl, gkrieg, ash.

My apologies if any have a current posted VLA - I'm posting on phone late at night.

[2.71828.....]

That's so nice and thoughtful. But there's more to math than just counting.

I don't know, counting is pretty fundamental. Really, I felt as though your post just showed that you hadn't actually read my game.

Oh, and yeah, it is totally OMGUS even without you voting. Don't take that away from me just because you deal in shade and not in black and white votes.

I get it, that voting record is hard to hide from, a lot easier for scum to just shade everything

You are correct that I didn't go back and read your whole game before making that post - most of my posting is done from my phone, so it's just a bit harder to do that.

I believe you probably have the most posts in this thread, yet I don't recall much memorable that you have posted. When I read that one, it felt like I said - "someone else tell me why a person is scummy and I'll vote for them". Now that you and others have replied, I realize there were a couple actual useful posts you've made - sorry for not remembering them.

But since I was replying to a single post, that's part of the reason I didn't vote for you at the same time. Give you a chance to respond. And I would have been ready to move on, after the responses, but now you have made a big deal out of it.

Fair enough. This is my first game playing with you, I took your post as lazy scum, but I see an alternate version here.

Vote: ADK

[Jack Rudd]

I haven't really had anything more to say. I will have more to say on day 2 if I get there.

[scolapasta]

Players:
1. Jack Rudd
2. 2.71828.....
3. WestCoastDidds
4. MiX
5. EFHW
6. scolapasta
7. LaLight
8. Dylan32
9. A Drowned Kernel
10. Swowl
11. gkrieg13
12. ashersky
13. Glooble
14. mathdude

I know it's the end of the weekend and some people are less active on weekends. But I think these people have not posted in at least 24 hours, some even for 48 hours:

prod request: Jack, scola, ADK, Swowl, gkrieg, ash.

My apologies if any have a current posted VLA - I'm posting on phone late at night.

At least 24 hours... I think my post was 26 hours ago, is that really a proddable offense? Any way going to bed now.

Has anyone thr ok en a vote e's way?

Maybe i haven't played many games with e before, but this level of engagement (on D1 nonetheless) feels at least worthy of consideration. That and the continued attempts to paint Jack as scum, where I don't see it.

Vote: e

[LaLight]

Math's not dying D1 again lmao.

Will you be available at deadline LL?

i think so, yes

[ashersky]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Not what I am doing - but more importantly, got a good laugh out of the fact that this post is you... "obliquely supporting Jack while while maintaining a throwaway vote on ADK".

Also what is NGBED1LL?

I'm voting MiX?  So no voting ADK.

"Not Going to Be Exiled Day 1 LaLight"

[ashersky]

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

Ash seems very off here, but I’m not sure if it is in a scummy way.

That tracks.

[ashersky]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

This is a good post, very town!EFHW to me.  The only really strong post that stood out in all the ones I missed, actually.

[ashersky]

Sorry for the long delay, unexpected weekend trip so I was unavailable.  I'm caught up and will be around for a few hours.  I don't think I'll be on at deadline, as that's 4 a.m. my time.

[ashersky]

So it's basically LL because he supported no-exile in the beginning or...?

That doesn't seem like the strongest case to me, as it seems like a big red flag for a mafia player to wave.  So it reads more like town thinking they were being helpful.  Plus, mafia!LL is especially careful not to stand out, I think.  That may be outdated info though.

What are the alternatives?  My MiX vote is a holdover that seems to be going nowhere.  Seems Jack is getting a reprieve.

I could sheep EFHW as my only strong town read.

[LaLight]

So it's basically LL because he supported no-exile in the beginning or...?

That doesn't seem like the strongest case to me, as it seems like a big red flag for a mafia player to wave.  So it reads more like town thinking they were being helpful.  Plus, mafia!LL is especially careful not to stand out, I think.  That may be outdated info though.

What are the alternatives?  My MiX vote is a holdover that seems to be going nowhere.  Seems Jack is getting a reprieve.

I could sheep EFHW as my only strong town read.

I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.

I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.8

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): Jack Rudd, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (2): gkrieg13, scolapasta
LaLight (5): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX, Glooble
gkrieg13 (1): EFHW
mathdude (1): LaLight

Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in about 10 hours.

prod request: Jack, scola, ADK, Swowl, gkrieg, ash.

Prods sent to ADK, Swowl, gkrieg.

[ashersky]

I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.

I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?

You know, if you are mafia, this is the epitome of "caught for the wrong reasons" complaining.

Does your partial claim do anything?

[mathdude]

At least 24 hours... I think my post was 26 hours ago, is that really a proddable offense? Any way going to bed now.

Has anyone thr ok en a vote e's way?

Maybe i haven't played many games with e before, but this level of engagement (on D1 nonetheless) feels at least worthy of consideration. That and the continued attempts to paint Jack as scum, where I don't see it.

Vote: e

Your post was about 26 hours earlier. And if that was the main "offense", I may have skipped you on the list. But that post, seen here:

Got prodded. Sorry, still fairly busy, but I should be around for deadline. Still haven't had much of a chance to read back, but also it's D1 and I never have good D1 reads (who does?)

If anything I'm still dubious of the scum!jack reads. And I'm trying to figure out this new(ish) MiX.

was made after more than 72 hours of inactivity.

And while you did actually post a bit about your gut/reads, you acknowledged you weren't around much yet didn't do anything to correct it. So I called you out. If you think being absent for 72 hours, making one post, then maybe showing up 36 hours later "at deadline" is okay, then I have a problem with that. This is when we should actually consolidate thoughts as a group, not when we disappear, let 6 others out of 14 make a decision, and drop a vote at deadline.

[MiX]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.

PPE: Math town, town math, etc.

[LaLight]

I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.

I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?

You know, if you are mafia, this is the epitome of "caught for the wrong reasons" complaining.

Does your partial claim do anything?

not really, tbh. Even full claim won't really do anything to make me seem more town, but I don't want to do a full claim.

[LaLight]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.

PPE: Math town, town math, etc.

This will require a partial claim

[mathdude]

I'm torn at the moment. I keep wavering on whether I think LL is scum. I think the initial post about wincon and no exile seemed townie. But some of the responses since then... not so much.

Personally, I'd love to vote for someone not helping us today (i.e. someone not actually posting much), but that would require a full swing of votes in the final 7 hours. But worse than that, it gives us nothing useful in the future. There would be almost no discussion or for/against.

I guess this means I support an exile of LL, since they are being partially scummy and it gives us the most interactions going forward.

[LaLight]

Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

faust, I am sorry, does the time formula in a vote count show the time, that I have set on forum? Because it shows me 3 pm and this is a forum time for me. Maybe I answered my own question.

[MiX]

"This is in about 10 hours." is always correct, so use that to answer your question.

[faust]

Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm.

faust, I am sorry, does the time formula in a vote count show the time, that I have set on forum? Because it shows me 3 pm and this is a forum time for me. Maybe I answered my own question.

Not sure I understand the question, but the [time] tag will display the time in the timezone you have set in your forum profile.

[EFHW]

I won't be here for deadline, so vote: ADK in the interests of consolidation.

[EFHW]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.

PPE: Math town, town math, etc.

Are you sure? I keep getting scum vibes.

[MiX]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.

PPE: Math town, town math, etc.

Are you sure? I keep getting scum vibes.

Did you play his scum game? If so, your read is probably more accurate than mine.

But this seems like run-of-the-mill math to me, scummy as hell yet pushing correctly, aka, town.

[scolapasta]

So a few reads: math is very aggressive, which he has done as town, BUT I also think provides perfect cover for scum!math. i.e. at this point neither flip would surprise me.

I don't get the LL wagon - I don't think suggesting no exile due to the different win condition is at all scummy.

I like my e vote; and but would also consider ADK if ADK and LL end up being the two wagons.

[LaLight]

"This is in about 10 hours." is always correct, so use that to answer your question.

i get it, i am just trying to understand how [time] works

[LaLight]

vote: ADK i guess, but I'm not in love with it

[MiX]

Can someone give me a VC?

[gkrieg13]

Vote: LaLight

I believe this is X-2

[WestCoastDidds]

I think….

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (4): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, LaLight
2.71828..... (2): gkrieg13, scolapasta
LaLight (6): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX, Glooble,  gkrieg13

Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends Today at 03:00:00 pm. This is in about 10 hours.

[WestCoastDidds]

I keep waiting for LL to show his townself because my vote for him was really just to get him to engage after the certainty of the no exile statements. But now there’s this, which doesn’t inspire my town hopes and dreams.

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

Can you clarify this, LL? It's the only reason I think you can be town right now.

PPE: Math town, town math, etc.

This will require a partial claim

[Dylan32]

Ok, consider this X-1 on LL, because I intend to vote there, but in case the cylons in the vote count are like a faction controlled vote or something that's just waiting to hammer, I want to make sure he has a chance to claim first.

[scolapasta]

Ok, consider this X-1 on LL, because I intend to vote there, but in case the cylons in the vote count are like a faction controlled vote or something that's just waiting to hammer, I want to make sure he has a chance to claim first.

That is my concern with this "Cylons" things as it is effectively an unaccountable hammer. Also makes me think that there's got to be at least one QT out there for them to discuss this vote, if that's how it works.

[LaLight]

right.

So I am a Doctor for Radiation Poisoning.

after seeing this I thought that rad. poisoning is the only means of scum to kill, because existence of my role might be pretty important for the town wincon (now not so much, I will be exiled or killed with this claim), so for instance we no exile - scum poisons someone - I doctor them - we have the wincon right here. That's why I want less killing/exiling happening. Sometimes things are easy, we overthink them and lose, ya'll know this is what happening. Anyway.

I was even thinking maybe I'm not the only doctor for that - and maybe scum can poison more people, or people can poison themselves by doing stuff and this is why doctoring is important and this is why we have this wincon - we need to stay away from the radiation AND not exile. dunno. we'll se how this plays out.

[LaLight]

I don't get why on Earth people want to exile me, unless they're scum and this irritates me a bit, but what are you gonna do. Also vote: No Exile

[LaLight]

I don't even know why I suddenly voted ADK, that was weird

[LaLight]

ooooh also I have the same legacy requirement of having at least one human and one Cylon to be alive when town wins, so not all Cylons are baddies again in case anyone was wondering

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

I believe this is X-2

you of all people should know I'm town right now!

[scolapasta]

right.

So I am a Doctor for Radiation Poisoning.

after seeing this I thought that rad. poisoning is the only means of scum to kill, because existence of my role might be pretty important for the town wincon (now not so much, I will be exiled or killed with this claim), so for instance we no exile - scum poisons someone - I doctor them - we have the wincon right here. That's why I want less killing/exiling happening. Sometimes things are easy, we overthink them and lose, ya'll know this is what happening. Anyway.

I was even thinking maybe I'm not the only doctor for that - and maybe scum can poison more people, or people can poison themselves by doing stuff and this is why doctoring is important and this is why we have this wincon - we need to stay away from the radiation AND not exile. dunno. we'll se how this plays out.

From the Season2 rules, though, we know that radiation poisioning can happen when doing actions outside the decontaminated zone. Did you miss that?

[2.71828.....]

right.

So I am a Doctor for Radiation Poisoning.

after seeing this I thought that rad. poisoning is the only means of scum to kill, because existence of my role might be pretty important for the town wincon (now not so much, I will be exiled or killed with this claim), so for instance we no exile - scum poisons someone - I doctor them - we have the wincon right here. That's why I want less killing/exiling happening. Sometimes things are easy, we overthink them and lose, ya'll know this is what happening. Anyway.

I was even thinking maybe I'm not the only doctor for that - and maybe scum can poison more people, or people can poison themselves by doing stuff and this is why doctoring is important and this is why we have this wincon - we need to stay away from the radiation AND not exile. dunno. we'll se how this plays out.

From the Season2 rules, though, we know that radiation poisioning can happen when doing actions outside the decontaminated zone. Did you miss that?

Lalight's not scum, they didn't read the rules

Totally believe the claim at this point, think it is a townie claim, and think we should exile ADK at this point

[2.71828.....]

You all can exile a doctor D1, go for it.

I am not joining the wagon even for the last minute exile

[MiX]

LL, can you say more things about your role?

[mathdude]

So a few reads: math is very aggressive, which he has done as town, BUT I also think provides perfect cover for scum!math. i.e. at this point neither flip would surprise me.

I don't get the LL wagon - I don't think suggesting no exile due to the different win condition is at all scummy.

I like my e vote; and but would also consider ADK if ADK and LL end up being the two wagons.

It wasn't the suggestion of no exile (for me at least), but everything since then.

However, now 2 hours from exile, now that LL has shared useful info, I'm finally getting town vibes again.

unvote

[LaLight]

LL, can you say more things about your role?

no, this is it

[MiX]

LL, can you say more things about your role?

no, this is it

Wasn't this a partial claim?

[gkrieg13]

Well...here we go again. Wait...what?

Vote: Cylons

Speaking of: Dylan, scola, Jack. What are your flavor names?

I have a lot of vendettas associated with this legacy...but I'll set them aside so I can roleplay as the president more.

So, I'm sure a lot of people hated how I played it. So I've decided to talk this out now before people hate me. How public should I be with my information?

Oh, and I'm town again. I wonder if people will read my posts this game, they probably did when I was scum.

Good to be back!

Welcome back e!

Going back and rereading, I think MiX asking for advice on how public he should with information gives him a couple scum points.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: Jack

Suspicious of the fast claim with almost no real pressure. A few votes, yes. But it is early D1. Feels unnecessary and scummy

I agree that the claim felt unnecessary. It alerts scum potentially that Jack can see the executive orders. I guess I lean slightly scum here.

[gkrieg13]

Also, I'm still salty.

Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

I haven't seen one.  I think people would have to claim if they changed characters

Emphasis is mine:

Character arcs.
Each charcter has a unique character arc, which is a goal they want to achieve for additional points. To prevent players playing against their win condition in any given game, these will usually only be obtainable when the player won a game. Character arc success is usually checked at the end of the game. If successful, the character may become unplayable or get a new arc. Completing a character arc counts as a turning point.

Character persistence.
Every player may keep the character that they played from one game to the next, unless they have been eliminated from the game. Role and alignment will change from one game to the next, the character arc remains intact. Alternatively, they may choose another character, which will be chosen from the pool of available characters. A player may receive a character that has previously been played by someone else this way.

We know Robz' character was eliminated from the game, so we can know that either gkrieg or glooble have a brand new character.

The three of us new adds were (I assume, I didn't ask) randomly assigned to Robz, Awaclus, and Space - I was slotted to fill Awaclus' spot (big shoes to fill, I thought Awaclus played incredibly well S1). At least, I am Billy Keikeya.

Note that I was assigned Space's character.

[gkrieg13]

we are supposed to no exile

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I don't think LaLight starts his posting with this as scum with a radiation doctor fake claim, which means I think he is either town, or a radiation doctor for scum.

unvote

[gkrieg13]

Still don't think the role warrants a no exile. I really think that scum is very likely to have a normal night kill.

[gkrieg13]

--snip--

also-also I have a reason to believe scum doesn't have a night kill, moreso poisoning. Radiation poisoning to be exact

I have reason to believe this is not the case.

Like several have already said, hard pass on an early no exile, but unlike Didds I don't think scum!LL would drop that second line right at their entrance to the game.

Dylan seems like he is scum hunting here, so he gets town points.

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.

2.7 is town, I think.

Ash usually buddies me as scum, so I'll give him a few town points.

[gkrieg13]

Overall, I think the executive order was townie, so town points to ash and MiX.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think this is right…

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW,
2.71828..... (1): scolapasta
LaLight (4): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, MiX, Glooble,
No exile: LaLight

Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, mathdude, gkrieg13 ,Cylons

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends Today at 03:00:00 pm.

We have 75 minutes

[gkrieg13]

Also I think we should stop claiming pre night actions at the very minimum whether you swapped out or not. I fail to see how claiming that today is helpful.

I think claiming this is useful, because it really doesn't give scum much information but gives town a lot of accountability.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think it is better for us to exile than to not. But I’m inclined to believe LL and my bar for letting him off the hook was pretty low, I was just frustrated that he wasn’t giving us anything to work with.

So, in the spirit of consolidation…and the fact that we have just over an hour left to deadline
Vote: ADK

I would also vote for gkrieg, Jack, or mathdude. Maybe scola.
I will not vote for Mix or EFHW.

[WestCoastDidds]

I’ll be around, but I’m multitasking

[2.71828.....]

I feel as though ADK is the best exile right now.  Of course, I have done a decent bit of pushing that wagon forward.

I could do pasta, at this point I think math and jack are on the differential for tomorrow, not today.

[gkrieg13]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

Why not vote for Scola who did the exact same thing as me?

[2.71828.....]

I’ll be around, but I’m multitasking

I know, Croatia just scored 2 crazy goals to go into extra time vs. Spain.  I will be around through the deadline.

[gkrieg13]

Also I will be around at deadline and will hammer pretty much whomever.

[2.71828.....]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

also, yeah.  "I have to reread" is totally not a scum tell, it would have been so easy for gkrieg to ride the day out, then show up tomorrow.  Scum doesn't show up and read back like gkrieg is doing here I think.

[gkrieg13]

Just say who's scummy. Is that so hard?

I'm perfectly content with this VC, it has scumreads voting for my townreads and townreads voting for my scumreads.

No that's easy. ADK and Jack are scummy.

MiX, lalight, ashersky are townie.

I could be talked into voting swowl or mathdude

But we can dialogue all we want, not going to change anything until more people join in the conservation

Make your case, and people might vote. Jack isn't flipping today, but ADK might. I doubt it, so I would get more scumreads if I were you.

I hate scum reading people for inactivity. I did it in my very first game and it was a bad decision.  Outside of inactivity scum reads, I already listed mathdude and swowl as people I am on the fence about. Why don't you convince me they are scum?

Why don't you figure out yourself who is scum? You seem ready to jump on any wagon, as long as it's not you... and by letting someone else make the case, so it doesn't look as suspicious if they flip town.

At least try to engage your scum-reads and make a more informed decision based on their response or lack thereof. Don't ask others to do the work and then just join the most convenient wagon.

Shade city

First of all, if you read my posts I have consistently attempted to engage my top scum read, jack.
Also, ADK is anything but the most convenient wagon. Right now, that distinction belongs to LaLight.
Third, I have made a case against ADK. In fact, I quoted it just recently.
Fourth, I could go build a pretend case on anyone and everyone, but that doesn't do anyone any favors and doesn't help the game.
Fifth, I am just counting at this point
Sixth, vote: mathdude

I agree with everything here. Scum points to mathdude. Annoyance points to e (as in he is annoyed).

[Dylan32]

Yeah, don't want to exile LL right now. Going to read ADK now.

[gkrieg13]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

I'm not sure why you read EFHW townie. It seems like she hasn't really done much this game.

But you also don't have reads on Swowl and Glooble (who have done more, but you put them in the lurkers category)?

[faust]

Vote Count 1.9

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (4): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds
2.71828..... (1): scolapasta
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (4):  Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude, gkrieg13

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in less than 1 hour.

[2.71828.....]

Went back and read EFHW, and can definitely see a scum!EFHW narrative.  Don't think it could get off the ground at this point for today but I would vote there

[Glooble]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

I'm not sure why you read EFHW townie. It seems like she hasn't really done much this game.

But you also don't have reads on Swowl and Glooble (who have done more, but you put them in the lurkers category)?

I’ve done very little. The last 4 days there’s been a 4-year old and a 6-year old running around and I haven’t been able to get on the thread much.

[scolapasta]

Looking at the last unofficial vote count, either's either ADK or LL. And I won't vote LL. So:

Vote: ADK

I should be around in the next hour and willing to switch back to e (my top scum read).

[WestCoastDidds]

I’ll be around, but I’m multitasking

I know, Croatia just scored 2 crazy goals to go into extra time vs. Spain.  I will be around through the deadline.

And Wimbledon!!

[gkrieg13]

I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.

But also consider any X-1 a hammer.

[Dylan32]

Well, it didn't take very long, but probably longer than it would take someone to read me, so I can't say anything. They basically voted for Jack without giving much reason, asked Jack about whether he was claiming something, called a scum team of MiX and Math, voted for MiX, reaffirmed the MiX scumread, said they were against no exile, and asked e why he voted for them. I don't know, that just didn't really give me scum vibes.

[gkrieg13]

Well, it didn't take very long, but probably longer than it would take someone to read me, so I can't say anything. They basically voted for Jack without giving much reason, asked Jack about whether he was claiming something, called a scum team of MiX and Math, voted for MiX, reaffirmed the MiX scumread, said they were against no exile, and asked e why he voted for them. I don't know, that just didn't really give me scum vibes.

Who would you rather vote for?

[mathdude]

ADK hasn't don't much that seems scummy (other than not post much). But also hasn't done anything townie that I see either.

vote: ADK

I'm around for the next bit still.

[gkrieg13]

I believe that is X-2.

[gkrieg13]

Golly, I wish LL had more to say. I was sure I was going to move my vote…

I still might, I guess. Mathdude isn’t looking townie in his exchange with e. I am so here for engaged e, although I also don’t know quite how to process. Still, his case on ADK is better than any other case we’ve seen.

If we’re thinking of the lurkers as scummy Scola and Dylan make the list, but EFHW has a substantive reason for gkrieg.

My towny folks are MiX, EFHW, and e(maybe)
Don’t knows are the lurkers/absents (Dylan, Scola,), Swowl, Glooble
Don’t know/lean scummy LL, gkrieg, math, ADK, Ashes

I'm not sure why you read EFHW townie. It seems like she hasn't really done much this game.

But you also don't have reads on Swowl and Glooble (who have done more, but you put them in the lurkers category)?

I’ve done very little. The last 4 days there’s been a 4-year old and a 6-year old running around and I haven’t been able to get on the thread much.

I mean I have done even less than you at the point of WCD's post, which is why I'm confused by the list.

[faust]

Vote Count 1.10

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (7): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, gkrieg13

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in less than 33 minutes.

[Dylan32]

Well, it didn't take very long, but probably longer than it would take someone to read me, so I can't say anything. They basically voted for Jack without giving much reason, asked Jack about whether he was claiming something, called a scum team of MiX and Math, voted for MiX, reaffirmed the MiX scumread, said they were against no exile, and asked e why he voted for them. I don't know, that just didn't really give me scum vibes.

Who would you rather vote for?

Currently reading to figure that out. It feels like the conversations have largely been dominated by a couple players, with most of us not saying much of anything, so I am doing isos and getting a bunch of null or slight town reads atm.

[Dylan32]

Wait, cylons voted for ADK there, so that's X-1. Definitely feel worse about that wagon.

[Dylan32]

I feel like on principle I'm not going to hammer the cylon approved wagon there, and with a half hour there isn't much time to get something completely new going, so I guess

Vote: MiX

[gkrieg13]

vote: ADK

I realize the cylons are on there. Still think it is the best exile

[mathdude]

Wait, cylons voted for ADK there, so that's X-1. Definitely feel worse about that wagon.

Why does it make you feel worse? Do you know something about the Cylon vote the rest of us don't? I believe a few people have stated this game appears to not be Cylon vs Human, just like the first round.

It does look like it/they voted between 2:03 and 2:28 today though. So that should narrow it down.

[faust]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

MiX (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (0)

With 14 alive, it took 8 to exile.

[Dylan32]

Wait, cylons voted for ADK there, so that's X-1. Definitely feel worse about that wagon.

Why does it make you feel worse? Do you know something about the Cylon vote the rest of us don't? I believe a few people have stated this game appears to not be Cylon vs Human, just like the first round.

It does look like it/they voted between 2:03 and 2:28 today though. So that should narrow it down.

I mean, I don't "know" anything, but I have reasons to doubt that it is an inherently pro-town group.

[faust]

It helps us to keep the humans suspecting one another. You should not give up the identities of our fellow Cylons, you decided. It feels like this whole attempt at living together in peace is doomed from the start if it is built on a lie. Then again, you can see how they act. They will ostracize one of their own at the slightest suspicion. Maybe it is for the best that all of this anger is not turned against you.

A Drowned Kernel has been sent to the brig! They were Lee Adama, and they were town-aligned as well as Lover-aligned. They had the following powers:

• protective
• investigative
• radiation, blocking
• 1-shot, miscellaneous

Night 1 begins now and lasts at least 48 hours. Night actions are due by June 30, 2021, 03:00:00 am.

The following executive order is in effect tonight:

Vigil
Tonight, all player who control the same player they did the previous game may use an active power they had in that game instead of their current powers. Powers with limited shots may only be used if the shots have not yet been used up.

THREAD LOCKED!

[faust]

A loud explosion jerks you out of your pondering. You turn and see smoke rising from the control center. Is it possible...?

ashersky has been incapacitated. They were Number 1, and they were Cylon Extremist-aligned. They had the following powers:

• 1-shot, Day, investigative, protective
• passive, miscellaneous
• 2-shot, miscellaneous

Day 2 begins! Thread unlocked!

MiX is the President of the Colonies.
WestCoastDidds is the Admiral of the Fleet.

Executive order deck: 3 in deck, 3 in discard, 3 drawn

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (13): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm.

[Glooble]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

[MiX]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

[MiX]

Also I just want to say: cylon extremists, lol. I like faust.

This is the best thing ever.

[Jack Rudd]

Cavil (#1) is definitely a Cylon extremist in the show.

The executive orders currently sitting in the discard pile are Military Police Force and Special Counsel. This tells us very little about the president and the admiral, except that they don't have the trust in each other necessary for either of those to have gone through.

[MiX]

Cavil (#1) is definitely a Cylon extremist in the show.

The executive orders currently sitting in the discard pile are Military Police Force and Special Counsel. This tells us very little about the president and the admiral, except that they don't have the trust in each other necessary for either of those to have gone through.

No shit, it was me and ash. Why did you decide to say this publicly anyway?

[WestCoastDidds]

I think he’s trying to demonstrate that his power was what he said it was.

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, I’m guessing we don’t have a qt like you had with the VP?

Also, why would anyone ever make me an Admiral? Goodship lollypop, maybe, but otherwise….oof!

[MiX]

MiX, I’m guessing we don’t have a qt like you had with the VP?

Also, why would anyone ever make me an Admiral? Goodship lollypop, maybe, but otherwise….oof!

No we don't. And that's so sad!

I think ash townread you. Either that or you two had a QT, or he knew your alignment.

[WestCoastDidds]

It is sad! We’d have so much fun!

But I don’t think I actually need help on the discard choice. So that is a relief.

I haven’t had a qt with ash, or anyone, this game. Sadz because I love me some side chatter. Well, I am military so it was a good choice in that regard!

So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.

And Ash’s yellow meant he was a baddie? Maybe part of the “cylons” vote?

[WestCoastDidds]

And I know exactly which one you will choose, making this the only time ever I think I can predict what you will do.

[LaLight]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

I didn't, because I couldn't

vote: MiX

[MiX]

And I know exactly which one you will choose, making this the only time ever I think I can predict what you will do.

Meanie! But I think you misunderstood something, and didn't do it intentionally.

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

I didn't, because I couldn't

vote: MiX

Can you fullclaim?

[LaLight]

I actually lean into thinking there is no scum: just factions with different wincons and who knows if these wincons are mutually exclusive. I mean I can believe into one faction having a wincon of "kill a person with this flavor name and a person with this flavor name" and another faction "no deaths for 2 days" and another faction "don't let all of you die by the end of D3" and such. I would so not put that above faust to make a game where everyone can win.

[LaLight]

Can you fullclaim?

I can but I won't unless you give me any legit reasoning why I should.

[LaLight]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

[Glooble]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

You are assuming neither Lovers nor Cylon Extremists are the "Scum" faction. Big assumption.

[faust]

The following executive order has been enacted:

Presidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.

[LaLight]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

You are assuming neither Lovers nor Cylon Extremists are the "Scum" faction. Big assumption.

i guess I can get behind this assumption given no one flipped red. But still, I think this would be an amazing twist if we had no scum faction whatsoever.

[LaLight]

The following executive order has been enacted:

Presidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.

oh my goodness, this can only turn wrong from now on.

Can president pardon themselves?

[faust]

The following executive order has been enacted:

Presidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.

oh my goodness, this can only turn wrong from now on.

Can president pardon themselves?

Yes.

[scolapasta]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

You are assuming neither Lovers nor Cylon Extremists are the "Scum" faction. Big assumption.

ADK wasn't just Lover-Aligned though; they were also town-aligned. So I don't think that can be the "scum". Which really makes we wonder what it means to be dually aligned. Has anyone played in a game with dually aligned characters yet?

Also, Dylan and Jack did either of you switch characters from S1?

[LaLight]

coooooooool, fuuuuuuuuuun

[MiX]

Can you fullclaim?

I can but I won't unless you give me any legit reasoning why I should.

I don't like how you weaseled out of the exile. From my perspective, town died instead of you. Given your claim was part of why, I'd love to know what else you've done and can do, I think that would be a good start to this day.

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

This ended up answering Glooble's post too.

The following executive order has been enacted:

Presidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.

oh my goodness, this can only turn wrong from now on.

Can president pardon themselves?

This is the day where we stop being hostile towards one another. Until this doesn't go away, we're not moving our votes, and nothing we say will the productive.

I believe you are scum: specifically, of an alignment that hasn't flipped yet, most likely behind ash's kill. What do you think I am?

[LaLight]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

You are assuming neither Lovers nor Cylon Extremists are the "Scum" faction. Big assumption.

ADK wasn't just Lover-Aligned though; they were also town-aligned. So I don't think that can be the "scum". Which really makes we wonder what it means to be dually aligned. Has anyone played in a game with dually aligned characters yet?

Also, Dylan and Jack did either of you switch characters from S1?

never played it, but I would guess they have two wincons, and the other one may be completely different and they can win with either.

[LaLight]

Can you fullclaim?

I can but I won't unless you give me any legit reasoning why I should.

I don't like how you weaseled out of the exile. From my perspective, town died instead of you. Given your claim was part of why, I'd love to know what else you've done and can do, I think that would be a good start to this day.

Oh, no, town died because no one would listen to me

[LaLight]

This is the day where we stop being hostile towards one another. Until this doesn't go away, we're not moving our votes, and nothing we say will the productive.

I believe you are scum: specifically, of an alignment that hasn't flipped yet, most likely behind ash's kill. What do you think I am?

It's really hard for me to play with you. I don't feel like you listen to others and I don't feel that if you set your mind to something, it can be changed other than by yourself, and this hurts town, because we should work as a team. I have no slightest idea what faction you are and I can't read you, never could.

[LaLight]

and yeah, I didn't "weasel out", I claimed.

[Jack Rudd]

I switched characters, yes. I am now Ellen Tigh.

[2.71828.....]

Well, I don't know what the whole dual alignment thing was with ADK, but Ash didn't flip town, so overall I say a positive D1/N1 combo.

[2.71828.....]

I agree with MiX that a true scum alignment exists.

Disagree that lalight belongs to said scum alignment

[2.71828.....]

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

[2.71828.....]

I agree with MiX that a true scum alignment exists.

Disagree that lalight belongs to said scum alignment

I may bee convincing myself this isn't true.

So far we have:
Town-aligned
Lover-aligned
Cylon-extremist-aligned

Town has to have the majority when the game ends. I wouldn't be too surprised if we have as many as 5 alignments to include multiple dual-alignments. I do think some alignments are going to be exclusive, I doubt cylon extremists would share a win con with another alignment

[2.71828.....]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

President is being very authoritarian.

Also, I just realized that I basically said the same thing glooble opened the day with

[2.71828.....]

Went back and read EFHW, and can definitely see a scum!EFHW narrative.  Don't think it could get off the ground at this point for today but I would vote there

Also, went back and have changed my mind here, scum narrative doesn't fit, EFHW seems like town to me

[MiX]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

President is being very authoritarian.

Gasp.

[scolapasta]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

[MiX]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

[WestCoastDidds]

And I know exactly which one you will choose, making this the only time ever I think I can predict what you will do.

Meanie! But I think you misunderstood something, and didn't do it intentionally.

No way I’m a meanie! I have you the pardon card which I KNEW you would choose! Also, knowing your opposition to no exile, I figured it wouldn’t get used capriciously. If you’re scum, that sucks. But I don’t think you are.

[WestCoastDidds]

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

[scolapasta]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.

[WestCoastDidds]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?

[WestCoastDidds]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.

Scola! Who knew you were so romantic? Ha!

[scolapasta]

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.

[MiX]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.

The lover that is also town is dead.

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.

Hold on, doesn't this make it so it's incredibly unlikely that whoever killed ash wanted a civilian admiral? Surely ash thought about who was likely military. I mean, think about it, Didds did claim to have kept her character.

[scolapasta]

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.

Also, the question I have is would ash pick someone from his own faction as a successor? or would he think that was too suspicious? Clearly there's some WIFOM here...

[WestCoastDidds]

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.

But he knew I was still the same character… there was a discussion of the viper pilots not having a QT this game. I am military, I assumed that if we kept our person that we kept our status.

PPE: 2

[scolapasta]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.

The lover that is also town is dead.

Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...

[scolapasta]

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

Because we don't know if people are military or civilian, if they keep the same as S1. You were military S1 and I assume still are, since no turning point. I changed characters, so otherwise have no data.

But he knew I was still the same character… there was a discussion of the viper pilots not having a QT this game. I am military, I assumed that if we kept our person that we kept our status.

PPE: 2

Well, you knew that you kept your status. But like I said, I have no data of my own, and I wonder if it would be that way for all characters. That said, I guess I could see ash willing to pick someone who was military S1, in case it did stay the same (since that possbility makes it better than random).

[Swowl]

Interesting. So we have at least three factions:

Town
Lovers
Cylon Extremists

and people can have more than one alignment.

We also have scum.

Vote: LL

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

1. Agreed there is skum in the game. But just to be clear when you say skum here you mean like "mafia-type" skum right? I would assume that Ash was also some form of skum.

2. What were you agree with ash about other than rando gut reads against me?

3. I do not see how claiming the vigil ability is useful.. but also I don't see harm in it - so I will say I did not use a vigil ability last night.

[Swowl]

The following executive order has been enacted:

Presidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.

So didds... you just like a super TR on mix at this point then?

[Swowl]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.

The lover that is also town is dead.

Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...

How does that make sense? Ash did not flip lover?

[Swowl]

Also, just so it is said, I had some IRL shit pop up at DL - sorry I was not around.

After LL claimed what they did, it pretty much throws all my concepts of why I found them off out the window. TLDR; I no longer think LL is skum. At least for now, based on the reasons I had before.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yeah, I would have disclosed the military status if I had been asked (Ash asked who wanted to be his successor, but I didn’t answer that because I didn’t want to do it! ) but I didn’t even think of disclosing it since I thought that we knew the alignment of all the folks with the same character. It literally never occurred to me that it would switch and we spent so much time last game sorting those out that I thought the only questions were the new characters.

[Swowl]

Yeah, I would have disclosed the military status if I had been asked (Ash asked who wanted to be his successor, but I didn’t answer that because I didn’t want to do it! ) but I didn’t even think of disclosing it since I thought that we knew the alignment of all the folks with the same character. It literally never occurred to me that it would switch and we spent so much time last game sorting those out that I thought the only questions were the new characters.

You don't mean "alignment" here right? Cuz that would make the game just way to easy.

[MiX]

Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...

Okay, so, my thought process is this: there's 3 teams in play; Town, Lover and Cylon. There's a player that is both town and lover, and ash was a Cylon. So the person that killed ash was most likely someone of a different faction: a pure town would've claimed, and a lover would most likely also be of another faction. So there's a fourth faction.

Maybe the jump that there's no player that is only a lover doesn't make sense, but it's one I'm making.

[LaLight]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?

because scum didn't kill anyone

[Swowl]

President is being very authoritarian.

The president is MiX. In every way, shape, and form... this is 100% NAI (they are always authoritarian).

[WestCoastDidds]

The following executive order has been enacted:

Presidential pardon
At the end of the Day, the President may choose to pardon the exiled player. If they do, the exiled player does not flip and is not sent to the brig. They have 12 hours to make the decision, during which the thread remains open.

So didds... you just like a super TR on mix at this point then?

At the end of the day, MiX and EFHW were my towniest town folk. Not based on much, but that was my sense. But that XO, and knowing he would choose it, was a no-brainer. I discarded the most anti-town one, and MiX is always going to choose an order that gives him more power.

[WestCoastDidds]

Yeah, I would have disclosed the military status if I had been asked (Ash asked who wanted to be his successor, but I didn’t answer that because I didn’t want to do it! ) but I didn’t even think of disclosing it since I thought that we knew the alignment of all the folks with the same character. It literally never occurred to me that it would switch and we spent so much time last game sorting those out that I thought the only questions were the new characters.

You don't mean "alignment" here right? Cuz that would make the game just way to easy.

Correct, I meant military/civilian status

[Swowl]

Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...

Okay, so, my thought process is this: there's 3 teams in play; Town, Lover and Cylon. There's a player that is both town and lover, and ash was a Cylon. So the person that killed ash was most likely someone of a different faction: a pure town would've claimed, and a lover would most likely also be of another faction. So there's a fourth faction.

Maybe the jump that there's no player that is only a lover doesn't make sense, but it's one I'm making.

That is an interesting take.
I was assuming that ADK was at the time of exile, the only lover. And they had like an ability or something that was a positive for their faction, but also made the target a lover. Since only also town aligned, my thought was ability would be pro-town, but add in the link for the death.

[WestCoastDidds]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?

because scum didn't kill anyone

So, how did Ash die?

I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it

[Swowl]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?

because scum didn't kill anyone

So, how did Ash die?

I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it

Literally was typing up the same thing. What is the theory here?

[scolapasta]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.

The lover that is also town is dead.

Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...

How does that make sense? Ash did not flip lover?

Typo - meant ADK not ash.

[mathdude]

Wow, lots going on. First thoughts...

Dual alignment seems weird. Ash being the only death at night, being non-town, likely means it's not his faction who killed him. So either Vig or other scum-type group. Ash's alignment does seem scummy though, but they didn't kill. Do they not have a kill or was a doctor, RB, or something else effective?

There's a lot to respond to. I will try to get to some of it tonight. I'll be fully caught up tomorrow.

[EFHW]

Oh wait - you're saying that the lover you were referring to was ash himself? Man you're sentence doesn't read that way to me, but maybe I guess it could...

Okay, so, my thought process is this: there's 3 teams in play; Town, Lover and Cylon. There's a player that is both town and lover, and ash was a Cylon. So the person that killed ash was most likely someone of a different faction: a pure town would've claimed, and a lover would most likely also be of another faction. So there's a fourth faction.

Maybe the jump that there's no player that is only a lover doesn't make sense, but it's one I'm making.

That is an interesting take.
I was assuming that ADK was at the time of exile, the only lover. And they had like an ability or something that was a positive for their faction, but also made the target a lover. Since only also town aligned, my thought was ability would be pro-town, but add in the link for the death.

This would explain why no lover died along with them. I would also have hoped ADK would fight exile harder if it might also bring down another townie.

[EFHW]

How does scum!ash choose a successor? Does he want to trigger a turning point by picking a civilian? Does he pick a partner? Does he do the pro-town thing to protect his partner? Or maybe he left it up to chance.

[EFHW]

ash's powers don't seem very scummy, and there is no killing power. I don't know if a factional kill would be included in the powers list.

[Swowl]

ash's powers don't seem very scummy, and there is no killing power. I don't know if a factional kill would be included in the powers list.

I was going to say we can go and check... but we literally can't. No flips in the other game

[MiX]

ash's powers don't seem very scummy, and there is no killing power. I don't know if a factional kill would be included in the powers list.

I was going to say we can go and check... but we literally can't. No flips in the other game

I doubt it though.

Actually, we could just ask the people that were scum before. There was an option to know what you flip when you die (I think???). Surely scum would know if they flipped with their faction kill.

[Swowl]

How does scum!ash choose a successor? Does he want to trigger a turning point by picking a civilian? Does he pick a partner? Does he do the pro-town thing to protect his partner? Or maybe he left it up to chance.

I mean I don't think we can really make a ton out of this, but I will say one thing..

1. He knew WCD was military (to an extent)
2. Civilian choice means turning point.
3. Turning points are like... the most "Ash-y" thing ever.

That all means nothing really. I guess I just find it odd that Ash went for like the one back up that they had reason to believe would not trigger a turning point. Leaving it up to chance is even "less Ash-y", because it GTDs a Military selection if I understand the wording correctly.

[Swowl]

I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.

But also consider any X-1 a hammer.

This. What does this mean?

[Swowl]

would like GK response please before anyone "guesses".

[Swowl]

Ash re-read:

vote: MiX because RVS and because MiX.

- RVS MiX. But also stays there the whole day.

Also, I'm still salty.
Is there a list of who did and did not keep their characters from Season 1?

- Probably just them trying to isolate who they could/want to select for Admiral back up. Also, could be tied to a win con or something I guess.

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread
There has been a lot of posts, but I would argue not as much content as people seem to think.  The MiX/Math thing feels completely contrived in the worst way possible, so that's a strong early combo.
2.7 is town, I think.

- Random reads, but as they flipped what appears to be skum... probably worth noting.

So, anyone want to both claim military and make an argument for being my successor?
Also, work has been nuts, sorry for the less than normal activity.  I should be back to normal next week.

- OK, so probably just looking for Military (in regards to the earlier quote in this post).

ash - what card did you discard?

I don't think we want to know that yet

We also don't want to know what I discarded, and this info should only be claimed once the deck is reshuffled.

For the first time ever, MiX and I agree?  Scary.
*snip*
Besides, if you look at the list of cards, I'm sure you can think of reasons why mafia want to know what cards are not in play.

- Assuming, based on what Jack claimed, that he threw away special counsel. Mix - you see any issue with confirming that?

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

- WIFOM; could be protecting Jack. Kind of WIFOM; I am not the same alignment as Ash. Not WIFOM; They were wrong about the situation. In hindsight, this whole post is super shady.

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

This is a good post, very town!EFHW to me.  The only really strong post that stood out in all the ones I missed, actually.

- More reads that could come into play. Backs up Jack again/still. Backs up LL read again/still. Towny impression of Dylan/MiX even though he was voting mix at this point.

So it's basically LL because he supported no-exile in the beginning or...?

That doesn't seem like the strongest case to me, as it seems like a big red flag for a mafia player to wave.  So it reads more like town thinking they were being helpful.  Plus, mafia!LL is especially careful not to stand out, I think.  That may be outdated info though.

What are the alternatives?  My MiX vote is a holdover that seems to be going nowhere.  Seems Jack is getting a reprieve.

I could sheep EFHW as my only strong town read.

- Again defending LL. Also talking about their vote on MiX after they just in the previous post said they find them towny. First EFHW mention.

I might be the easiest wagon ever for the dumbest reason ever. Playing for town wincon? oh, you must be scum. Cool.

I might partially claim here if you want. is it 3 hours left?

You know, if you are mafia, this is the epitome of "caught for the wrong reasons" complaining.

Does your partial claim do anything?

- Based on the previous posts about LL... and the fact that I doubt Ash would "coach" LL... I find it doubtful, but it could be coaching.


Not really a whole hell of a lot there if we are assuming there is a primary skum faction or whatever. But I needed to do it for myself, so there it is consolidated for ya'll.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: mathdude

[gkrieg13]

I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.

But also consider any X-1 a hammer.

This. What does this mean?

That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1

[2.71828.....]

Cavil (#1) is definitely a Cylon extremist in the show.

The executive orders currently sitting in the discard pile are Military Police Force and Special Counsel. This tells us very little about the president and the admiral, except that they don't have the trust in each other necessary for either of those to have gone through.

Cool beans

Vote: jack

[LaLight]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?

because scum didn't kill anyone

So, how did Ash die?

I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it

well, not only scum can kill

[Swowl]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?

because scum didn't kill anyone

So, how did Ash die?

I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it

well, not only scum can kill

So you think that Ash's faction is.... something.
And ash died.
And no one else died.

So Ash's faction was blocked or target was doctored... or something, then some other somebody kills ash. That ok, I can kind of at least grasp... but how does ash die N1 if there is no direct kill?

[LaLight]

ALSO if we believe that ash's faction is, in fact, a scum faction, this night somehow supports my theory about no direct kill.

LaLi, can you explain this to me? How does Ash getting nightkilled mean that there is no direct nightkill?

because scum didn't kill anyone

So, how did Ash die?

I’m sorry if it’s obvious….I don’t get it

well, not only scum can kill

So you think that Ash's faction is.... something.
And ash died.
And no one else died.

So Ash's faction was blocked or target was doctored... or something, then some other somebody kills ash. That ok, I can kind of at least grasp... but how does ash die N1 if there is no direct kill?

STILL it's just a theory. But we can have PGO, modified Bodyguard, Vig and other town!killing roles, that should not shoot to achieve a town wincon.

[2.71828.....]

Yeah, if we have a town vig they have some explaining to do.

Simplest explanation is that a red colored faction NKed ashersky, and often simple answers are correct

[LaLight]

Yeah, if we have a town vig they have some explaining to do.

Simplest explanation is that a red colored faction NKed ashersky, and often simple answers are correct

this is indeed true, I was just saying that this might support my theory, but I am not married to this theory

[mathdude]

I will probably post a barrage of responses to specific posts over the next couple hours, since there's a lot I want to reply to. They are responses specific to the quoted posts, but with an awareness of everything that has been posted to date.

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

It makes sense ash didn't flip town, and you were agreeing with him... because you're aligned with him?

And you want everyone to claim whether they used Vigil ability because... it helps town? It helps your faction? Or helps your personal character arc?

I will say I didn't. But I won't say whether I could have or not.

[mathdude]

Cavil (#1) is definitely a Cylon extremist in the show.

The executive orders currently sitting in the discard pile are Military Police Force and Special Counsel. This tells us very little about the president and the admiral, except that they don't have the trust in each other necessary for either of those to have gone through.

No shit, it was me and ash. Why did you decide to say this publicly anyway?

Did you see Jack role-claim D1 under about 2 votes? It looks like he wants to share everything with the world!

[mathdude]

So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.

And Ash’s yellow meant he was a baddie? Maybe part of the “cylons” vote?

For lovers, my only reference also is that when one dies, the other does too (not strictly referencing Memento mafia game, but when I used to play on another site years ago too). This is new... and it's even more odd that ADK was aligned with 2 "factions".

I'm also wondering about Ash's colour. It's not town. It's not typical 3rd party I don't think? And it's not typical red scum colour. It's clearly non-town (likely anti-town?). Does that mean there's probably more than 1 scum faction?

[mathdude]

I actually lean into thinking there is no scum: just factions with different wincons and who knows if these wincons are mutually exclusive. I mean I can believe into one faction having a wincon of "kill a person with this flavor name and a person with this flavor name" and another faction "no deaths for 2 days" and another faction "don't let all of you die by the end of D3" and such. I would so not put that above faust to make a game where everyone can win.

I guess this is further thoughts about game setup and my comments on ash's colour and alignment. But it also makes me think you are non-town with an odd wincon. As per your post, you're treating town as one of the factions (since you listed "no deaths for 2 days" in there).

Town wincon:

You win when there have been 2 Days and Nights in a row without someone being removed from the game and there is at least one Town-aligned player left alive, or when Town is the biggest faction in the game when the game ends. You earn 5 points from winning.

It is definitely worded different than usual. Sounds like the game can end possibly a number of different ways, and we do not necessarily need to remove all the baddies to win.

But like I said, at this point, it seems to me like LL is in a non-town faction.

[mathdude]

This is the day where we stop being hostile towards one another. Until this doesn't go away, we're not moving our votes, and nothing we say will the productive.

I believe you are scum: specifically, of an alignment that hasn't flipped yet, most likely behind ash's kill. What do you think I am?

It's really hard for me to play with you. I don't feel like you listen to others and I don't feel that if you set your mind to something, it can be changed other than by yourself, and this hurts town, because we should work as a team. I have no slightest idea what faction you are and I can't read you, never could.

+1 (thumbs up)

I have trouble reading MiX in general too. And I think this series of games makes it even harder, since he may sometimes be playing for a personal character arc slightly more than his faction win.

But at the moment, I'm town-reading him more than you.

[mathdude]

I agree with MiX that a true scum alignment exists.

Disagree that lalight belongs to said scum alignment

Why do you not think LL "belongs to said scum alignment"? Are you in the same alignment as LL?

[mathdude]

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

Admiral ability:

Select successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.

So if he chooses, then he might accidentally pick civilian and trigger turning point (though it wouldn't affect him as he would be out of the game if that happens). If he doesn't choose, it guarantees no turning point.

There was no turning point, so new admiral is military. But we still don't know if ash chose or let it be random. I'm not even sure if it would help us in any way even if we did know.

[mathdude]

Ash died somehow. If we believe that there's no main scum, then whoever killed ash is not playing for town's faction. Given ash's the one that died, and that there's a lover that is also town, all points to there being another scum.

Are you the other lover-aligned?

No.

Then how do you know the other lover (assuming there's one) is also town? I could easily imagine a scenario with two lovers in different factions ala Romeo and Juliet.

I have seen this in the distant past as well. If this is the case, then we probably won't hear from any other lover-aligned players. But if others are town, then if there's any helpful info, I hope it does come public at some point.

[MiX]

I will probably post a barrage of responses to specific posts over the next couple hours, since there's a lot I want to reply to. They are responses specific to the quoted posts, but with an awareness of everything that has been posted to date.

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

It makes sense ash didn't flip town, and you were agreeing with him... because you're aligned with him?

And you want everyone to claim whether they used Vigil ability because... it helps town? It helps your faction? Or helps your personal character arc?

I will say I didn't. But I won't say whether I could have or not.

No, me and ash never agree when we're the same alignment.

I think it helps town, yes. This game's night actions seem important, with the radiation and all, and I think claiming Vigil actions is safe since it says nothing about your current role, other than you decided not to do anything related to your role tonight (or that you did). This seems to pale in comparison to the value we get from sharing our Vigil night actions, that I don't really know what they are, but I presume are overall helpful.

Good, that's exactly what I want to hear.

So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.

And Ash’s yellow meant he was a baddie? Maybe part of the “cylons” vote?

For lovers, my only reference also is that when one dies, the other does too (not strictly referencing Memento mafia game, but when I used to play on another site years ago too). This is new... and it's even more odd that ADK was aligned with 2 "factions".

I'm also wondering about Ash's colour. It's not town. It's not typical 3rd party I don't think? And it's not typical red scum colour. It's clearly non-town (likely anti-town?). Does that mean there's probably more than 1 scum faction?

I have my own thoughts about the lovers faction, but I guess people don't like to hear what I think about things with no proof, so I'll refrain from saying it.

A yellow color flip in any other RMM would have me immediately say "there's another faction that is true scum". Here? Maybe not, but I do think the kill points to that being true. If ash flipped during the day, that'd be a different story.

My gut reaction says whoever NKed ashersky was primarily attempting to get a civilian as the admiral. Pure speculation but it makes sense to me.

Didn’t Ash get to name his successor? Why would he have chosen a civilian?

Admiral ability:

Select successor. At any time, you may choose another player. When you are removed from the game, they will become Admiral. You may change a choice, but you may not undo it. If you did not make a choice by the time you are removed from the game, a random military player becomes Admiral.

So if he chooses, then he might accidentally pick civilian and trigger turning point (though it wouldn't affect him as he would be out of the game if that happens). If he doesn't choose, it guarantees no turning point.

There was no turning point, so new admiral is military. But we still don't know if ash chose or let it be random. I'm not even sure if it would help us in any way even if we did know.

I don't think ash would've left it to be random. I really don't see the point, for ash, or his alignment. We also know that he didn't decide to pick a civilian (that would've been easy, e claimed civilian, even if he didn't want to pick me), which points to ash not wanting a turning point. Swowl's point of "well ash would probably always want a turning point" is a good indicator that ash's alignment/role didn't want the turning point. Honestly, all of this combined points to Didds being picked by ash, which is incriminating.


There's also another thing: isn't Lee Adama's lover Starbucks? It's been a while since I read the wiki, but I think this is true. Can anyone confirm?

[Glooble]

Confirmed. The man loves his pumpkin spice lattes.

[MiX]

Confirmed. The man loves his pumpkin spice lattes.

Thank you Glooble.

So...being both the Admiral and lore-lover with ADK, Didds...doesn't seem town.

Does this make sense?

[faust]

Vote Count 2.1

LaLight (1): MiX
MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (1): gkrieg13
Jack Rudd (1): 2.71828.....

Not Voting (9): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, scolapasta, Dylan32, Swowl, Glooble, mathdude, Cylons

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm.

[EFHW]

Here is a lot of the information we collected last game:

For reference, this is what I've got in terms of people's claims, including my assumptions about military/non-military and some testing results, so please let me know if anything is wrong or if it's missing any key pieces:
1. Jack Rudd -- Saul Tigh, military
2. SpaceAnemone (now gkrieg) -- Gaeta, military
3. WestCoastDidds -- Starbuck, in pilots QT, military
4. MiX -- Baltar, civilian
5. EFHW -- Duala, possibly cylon species through LL's D1 result, military
6. scolapasta -- Bill Adama, military
7. LaLight -- Helo, in pilots QT, military
8. Dylan32 -- Zarek, civilian
9. A Drowned Kernel -- Apollo, tested Human d3, in pilots QT, military
10. Swowl -- Boomer, human-aligned, in pilots QT, military, died n3
11. Robz888 -- Cally, civilian
12. ashersky -- Chief, civilian, tested Cylon d2
13. Awaclus -- Billy, human-aligned, civilian, died n2
14. mathdude -- Roslin, human-aligned, civilian, died mid-d1

As Ashersky has said all along, the civilian-vs-military distinction for the deck crew members (Cally and the Chief) may be a blurry line.

I don't think either of the tests was yet trustworthy:
Mix claimed at #1264 to have picked "cylon" on N1 and "human" on N2.
D2 test: Only "cylon" from Mix? -> Fits with Ash getting cylon result
D3 test: 2*human ->  fits with ADK getting human result
D4 test: Only my setting?

[EFHW]

I'll update when I have more time, or someone else can.

[scolapasta]

I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.

But also consider any X-1 a hammer.

This. What does this mean?

Huh. At the time (I think) I had read this as X-1 lets "Cylons" hammer.

That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1

[scolapasta]

Quote fail:

I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.

But also consider any X-1 a hammer.

This. What does this mean?

That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1

Huh. At the time (I think) I had read this as X-1 lets "Cylons" hammer.

That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1

[scolapasta]

So, folks who know…what does it mean to be lover-aligned? I don’t know that term other than the dual death it caused in memento.

...

For lovers, my only reference also is that when one dies, the other does too (not strictly referencing Memento mafia game, but when I used to play on another site years ago too). This is new... and it's even more odd that ADK was aligned with 2 "factions".

...

The thing is, it's not the role "Lover" which has been a role I've (and we've) seen. It's Lover-Aligned. So, I don't think I would've expected someone else to die with them. Just that he and one (or maybe more?) players have an alternative or additional win con.

[scolapasta]

Confirmed. The man loves his pumpkin spice lattes.

Thank you Glooble.

So...being both the Admiral and lore-lover with ADK, Didds...doesn't seem town.

Does this make sense?

I'll ask Jack (as our resident BSG expert) to confirm, but Lee was married to Dee (that's EFHW, right?). Though the WCD one does fit the "unrequited lovers" type of scenario. But I'd also be hesitant to put much weight in love from the story, as that seems to help "solve" the game too much.

In S1, Lee Adama was a 3rd part when Baltar was not, which doesn't feel story right.

[scolapasta]

Here is a lot of the information we collected last game:

For reference, this is what I've got in terms of people's claims, including my assumptions about military/non-military and some testing results, so please let me know if anything is wrong or if it's missing any key pieces:
1. Jack Rudd -- Saul Tigh, military
2. SpaceAnemone (now gkrieg) -- Gaeta, military
3. WestCoastDidds -- Starbuck, in pilots QT, military
4. MiX -- Baltar, civilian
5. EFHW -- Duala, possibly cylon species through LL's D1 result, military
6. scolapasta -- Bill Adama, military
7. LaLight -- Helo, in pilots QT, military
8. Dylan32 -- Zarek, civilian
9. A Drowned Kernel -- Apollo, tested Human d3, in pilots QT, military
10. Swowl -- Boomer, human-aligned, in pilots QT, military, died n3
11. Robz888 -- Cally, civilian
12. ashersky -- Chief, civilian, tested Cylon d2
13. Awaclus -- Billy, human-aligned, civilian, died n2
14. mathdude -- Roslin, human-aligned, civilian, died mid-d1

As Ashersky has said all along, the civilian-vs-military distinction for the deck crew members (Cally and the Chief) may be a blurry line.

I don't think either of the tests was yet trustworthy:
Mix claimed at #1264 to have picked "cylon" on N1 and "human" on N2.
D2 test: Only "cylon" from Mix? -> Fits with Ash getting cylon result
D3 test: 2*human ->  fits with ADK getting human result
D4 test: Only my setting?

Correction:

Jack was a civilian in S1. He had a weird role that was civilian, but the fake claim was military. I actually thought I had killed the game for us when I said something about that in the main thread (effectively outing both him and me), but luckily no one actually caught it at the time.

[MiX]

Confirmed. The man loves his pumpkin spice lattes.

Thank you Glooble.

So...being both the Admiral and lore-lover with ADK, Didds...doesn't seem town.

Does this make sense?

I'll ask Jack (as our resident BSG expert) to confirm, but Lee was married to Dee (that's EFHW, right?). Though the WCD one does fit the "unrequited lovers" type of scenario. But I'd also be hesitant to put much weight in love from the story, as that seems to help "solve" the game too much.

In S1, Lee Adama was a 3rd part when Baltar was not, which doesn't feel story right.

As much as I agree it's not deterministic, it would have to be based on the show. So, the lovers thing needs to fit, one way or another. My personal goal, and the information I got with my previous role, seemed to match my character (seen in a positive light, given I was town).

Correction:

Jack was a civilian in S1. He had a weird role that was civilian, but the fake claim was military. I actually thought I had killed the game for us when I said something about that in the main thread (effectively outing both him and me), but luckily no one actually caught it at the time.

Were any of you military?

And yeah, this is especially lacking the actual characters of the scum team. I would update it, but I think it makes more sense for a cylon to do that.

[Swowl]

Quote fail:

I don't scumread e. Would gladly vote for ADK, EFHW, math.

But also consider any X-1 a hammer.

This. What does this mean?

That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1

Huh. At the time (I think) I had read this as X-1 lets "Cylons" hammer.

That I would hammer anyone that got to X-1

also how I read it. That is why I wanted them to answer first

[WestCoastDidds]

C’mon MiX…no way Ash puts his yellow buddy in the Admiral role, assuming his buddy (or buddies) are military. It’s too much scrutiny. He either chose me because he didn’t want a turning point, or he had a good feeling I was town and/or not against his alliance. Or he didn’t chose and I randomed up.

If I didn’t trust you there is no way I give you pardon power. Think about it… if I’m a baddie, you’re a great misexile and there is plenty of trepidation about you generally, and then we have LL and mathdude who don’t need much reason to vote for you.

Well, I trust you but I’m not sure what it takes for me to earn your trust. It feels like my tussle with LL last game where he just  oiling not scumread me even though I wasn’t scum. I don’t know how to get out from under distrust even when there is evidence to the contrary.

[Jack Rudd]

My real character in S1 was Leoben Conoy, aka Cylon #2.

[WestCoastDidds]

C’mon MiX…no way Ash puts his yellow buddy in the Admiral role, assuming his buddy (or buddies) are military. It’s too much scrutiny. He either chose me because he didn’t want a turning point, or he had a good feeling I was town and/or not against his alliance. Or he didn’t chose and I randomed up.

If I didn’t trust you there is no way I give you pardon power. Think about it… if I’m a baddie, you’re a great misexile and there is plenty of trepidation about you generally, and then we have LL and mathdude who don’t need much reason to vote for you.

Well, I trust you but I’m not sure what it takes for me to earn your trust. It feels like my tussle with LL last game where he just couldn’t not scumread me even though I wasn’t scum. I don’t know how to get out from under distrust even when there is evidence to the contrary.

Weird typo was making me crazy.

[Dylan32]

Looks like a busy start to the day. Today is a busy day (which is kind of just Thursdays in general for me), so I'll catch up tomorrow at the latest, but not right now. Sorry

[WestCoastDidds]

Wow…there is nothing going on. That always makes me super nervous. Town never seems to benefit from a stall.

[Swowl]

Wait, cylons voted for ADK there, so that's X-1. Definitely feel worse about that wagon.

Why does it make you feel worse? Do you know something about the Cylon vote the rest of us don't? I believe a few people have stated this game appears to not be Cylon vs Human, just like the first round.

It does look like it/they voted between 2:03 and 2:28 today though. So that should narrow it down.

I mean, I don't "know" anything, but I have reasons to doubt that it is an inherently pro-town group.

what are these reasons?

[LaLight]

C’mon MiX…no way Ash puts his yellow buddy in the Admiral role, assuming his buddy (or buddies) are military. It’s too much scrutiny. He either chose me because he didn’t want a turning point, or he had a good feeling I was town and/or not against his alliance. Or he didn’t chose and I randomed up.

If I didn’t trust you there is no way I give you pardon power. Think about it… if I’m a baddie, you’re a great misexile and there is plenty of trepidation about you generally, and then we have LL and mathdude who don’t need much reason to vote for you.

Well, I trust you but I’m not sure what it takes for me to earn your trust. It feels like my tussle with LL last game where he just  oiling not scumread me even though I wasn’t scum. I don’t know how to get out from under distrust even when there is evidence to the contrary.

I am really, truly sorry that went how that went I didn't mean to hurt you in any way and I was really wrong. Also I thought "oiling" was some slang I didn't understand, but caught in the context

[LaLight]

knowing ash, I wouldn't be surprised if he left picking a new admiral for chance.

[gkrieg13]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

[MiX]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Lol, can you clarify?

[Glooble]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

[WestCoastDidds]

I am really, truly sorry that went how that went I didn't mean to hurt you in any way and I was really wrong. Also I thought "oiling" was some slang I didn't understand, but caught in the context

Oh, LaLi! I’m good! We’re good! I know it’s the game. I was more trying to explain that it’s really hard to get someone to trust you if they have decided that you’re not on their team. I have good reasons that MiX should trust me, but he doesn’t. It has echoes of last game.

And oiling was a straight up typo. Your English is no match for my terrible phone typing!

[WestCoastDidds]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Ohhhhh! Spicy!

[scolapasta]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Hmmm, yes more clarification needed! If it's just species, then that's not enough to exile this game. S1, yes, since we figured out it was Human-Aligned vs Cylon-Aligned (though come to think of it, I'm not sure how we did, since we never flipped one of us Cylon-aligned players; I think "we" guessed and just got lucky)

But in this season we have at least some reason to believe (most?) cylons are good. I mean clearly Ash was not (well, at least not town) but it would make sense not all Cylons are Cylon Extremist Aligned, otherwise it would just be called Cylon-Aligned.

Also, if you suggest to exile mathdude today, why not vote in the same post??

(fyi, a better reason to exile mathdude is that he survived into D2, as he has been scum in 100% of games in which he's survived into D2! - and yes folks, this is a joke!)

[MiX]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Hmmm, yes more clarification needed! If it's just species, then that's not enough to exile this game. S1, yes, since we figured out it was Human-Aligned vs Cylon-Aligned (though come to think of it, I'm not sure how we did, since we never flipped one of us Cylon-aligned players; I think "we" guessed and just got lucky)

But in this season we have at least some reason to believe (most?) cylons are good. I mean clearly Ash was not (well, at least not town) but it would make sense not all Cylons are Cylon Extremist Aligned, otherwise it would just be called Cylon-Aligned.

Also, if you suggest to exile mathdude today, why not vote in the same post??

(fyi, a better reason to exile mathdude is that he survived into D2, as he has been scum in 100% of games in which he's survived into D2! - and yes folks, this is a joke!)

Both me and awaclus got "cylon-aligned" from faust with a very strong indicator that it meant scum. I mean, that's how I ended up knowing dylan was scum the final day.

It's a joke, but it's compelling.

[scolapasta]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Hmmm, yes more clarification needed! If it's just species, then that's not enough to exile this game. S1, yes, since we figured out it was Human-Aligned vs Cylon-Aligned (though come to think of it, I'm not sure how we did, since we never flipped one of us Cylon-aligned players; I think "we" guessed and just got lucky)

But in this season we have at least some reason to believe (most?) cylons are good. I mean clearly Ash was not (well, at least not town) but it would make sense not all Cylons are Cylon Extremist Aligned, otherwise it would just be called Cylon-Aligned.

Also, if you suggest to exile mathdude today, why not vote in the same post??

(fyi, a better reason to exile mathdude is that he survived into D2, as he has been scum in 100% of games in which he's survived into D2! - and yes folks, this is a joke!)

Both me and awaclus got "cylon-aligned" from faust with a very strong indicator that it meant scum. I mean, that's how I ended up knowing dylan was scum the final day.

It's a joke, but it's compelling.

Ah, ok - publicly then at least, we never saw it.

Why is it compelling?

[Dylan32]

Ok, there have been a couple questions directed at me, so rather than quote and answer them all individually, this will just include those answers in a hopefully cohesive set of thoughts.

Claim stuff:
I kept the same character from season 1, Caprica 6. The character I claimed in that game was a provided fake claim. I was ADK's lover in this game as a direct result of an action I took last game targeting him, so the lover alignment was completely separate and unrelated to the randomly rolled alignment that ADK and I got, which is why we are dual aligned. Only the two of us were lover aligned, but to fill that win condition, we both had to survive until the end of the game. Now that ADK is dead, it is impossible for me to play for that wincon.

I think someone asked about Vigil actions, so I couldn't take any because all my abilities last game were 1-shot and were used up in that game.

D1, cylon-aligned folks had daychat.

Thoughts:
Swowl asked about my reasons for thinking the cylons voting block is anti-town I believe. My character is (in all likelihood) a cylon, but I'm not part of any cylon-related faction or QT this game. The cylons did vote at the end of the day D1, and given the plural name implying more than one cylon and that cylon-aligned had daychat last season, I am assuming that vote was controlled by some cylon associated faction or QT that was open for daychat.

Could it be the cylon-extremists voting? Possibly. Cylon-aligned (not yet flipped hypothetical scum faction)? Possibly. All cylon characters in a mixed QT? No, because if that were the case, I would be in it, and I'm not. A mix of non-town cylons from different factions? Could be. From my perspective, in any of the possible options there, the cylons vote is not controlled by those who have town's best interest in mind, whether it's a traditional scum faction or not. I mean, I guess it's possible that there was some deciding factor that would pick some cylons but not others to be in a group, like maybe a roll of the dice for each cylon to see if they are added or something, but I don't think that's very likely.

On a related but mostly meta/flavor angle, up until I was writing this post, I really didn't buy into the suggestion that there was not a traditional scum faction with a normal NK, but I had a thought that might make sense. The idea of an extremist could possibly include someone who is willing to harm/eliminate themself in order to accomplish their aims. This is pure speculation with no mechanical reasoning for it yet, but it might be possible that Ash wasn't killed by someone else, but attempted to do something that involved sacrificing himself. If the goal was take someone else out with him, maybe they were protected, or maybe it had some reason beyond a kill. This seems like a bit of a reach to me, but it's at least possible given the flavor name and not flipping as red. I do think it's more likely that he was just killed by the true scum faction though and we're overthinking it.

[mathdude]

Wow…there is nothing going on. That always makes me super nervous. Town never seems to benefit from a stall.

Definitely. But raising the issue (in the way I do) started getting me in trouble halfway through D1.

At least now we have more to discuss (in posts shortly after yours).

[mathdude]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.

And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).

[WestCoastDidds]

Math, are you part of the cylons vote?

[Swowl]

Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?

I'm not trying to answer for Dylan, but the way I read his explanation it is that it was a wincon requirement that they both be alive, rather than something that tied them together in death.

More thoughts about cylons....

If there is a cylon-extremist faction, it is probably made up of cylons. The "cylons" vote is definitely anti-town to me, and just by virtue of the hidden vote mechanism it suggests there is daychat among them. I am also assuming that the "cylons" vote comes from, you know, cylons. Dylan thinks that he might be a cylon, but he is not part of the cylon vote, but he doesn't actually know if he is a cylon or not.

gkrieg says math is a cylon. We don't know if he is voting with the "cylons" yet, but still, all in all, I think cylons are not good for us.

[scolapasta]

 can confirm Dylan had some sort of power that allowed him to attach himself in some way and that he chose ADK. I'll have th go back to read the QT to confirm the details (and I will later), but I don't see why he would change anything there, knowing that either Jack or I could call him out on it.

I am also on the "there is a faction with a NK" hypothesis team, I forget who said it that its the simplest explanation. But just to humor the other side, I did have in S1 a Bomb PR that allowed me to take out someone else. So that is an example of a PR like Dylan is pondering.

[MiX]

can confirm Dylan had some sort of power that allowed him to attach himself in some way and that he chose ADK. I'll have th go back to read the QT to confirm the details (and I will later), but I don't see why he would change anything there, knowing that either Jack or I could call him out on it.

I am also on the "there is a faction with a NK" hypothesis team, I forget who said it that its the simplest explanation. But just to humor the other side, I did have in S1 a Bomb PR that allowed me to take out someone else. So that is an example of a PR like Dylan is pondering.

We can confirm that the lover part of ADK had to do with game 1: it's most likely what ADK didn't claim in post-game. It seems to fit perfectly with Dylan's story.

[Jack Rudd]

Confirming Dylan's claim here.

[scolapasta]

Went back and checked: for S1 it was different; i.e. if one got incapacitated, so did the other. But it makes sense that wouldn't still hold true and now be something related, but different.

Dylan, was this an AND or OR wincon, i.e. how did it interact with your regular win con?

[gkrieg13]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

[gkrieg13]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.

And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).

It does not say if it is alignment or species.

I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?

[MiX]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

Do you think math is scum, or ash-aligned?

[Dylan32]

Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?

Yeah, we were not bound to die with each other. The alignment literally just gave us an extra way to win that is now not possible since we did not both survive to the end of the game.

Went back and checked: for S1 it was different; i.e. if one got incapacitated, so did the other. But it makes sense that wouldn't still hold true and now be something related, but different.

Dylan, was this an AND or OR wincon, i.e. how did it interact with your regular win con?

In this case, that feels like a distinction without a difference. They aren't mutually exclusive, like in the end game we could have theoretically pulled the typical survivor play and sided with scum (or whatever faction there turns out to be this game) to clinch the win, one of us could die and then we still can win with town (current reality), or we could both survive and win with town filling both conditions. If both win cons were completed at the end of the game, my guess would be that we would get both sets of legacy points, as each condition has a separate value listed, but that's just my best interpretation of things and not an official ruling or anything.

Also, to fill in more details on the element of last game, I targeted ADK on some night, and for the rest of the game we would not be able to target each other with night actions. If I was eliminated, ADK would go down too, but not the other way around. If we both kept the same characters for this game, we would both receive something, which turned out to be a second faction and win con. Shame that it literally got wiped out D1, but ultimately this was the best case scenario for town as a whole long-term, so oh well lol. So I would not really expect more dual factions unless there were other things that created similar bonds in other ways, but it seemed like the ability was strongly tied to Caprica 6's character arc in the show, with the whole falling in love with a human thing or something.

I'll bite though and Vote: mathdude. With my opinions on the cylon stuff I said earlier, this seems like as good a place for my vote as any.

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

Do you think math is scum, or ash-aligned?

Honestly, either way it's probably a good exile.

[MiX]

If I was eliminated, ADK would go down too, but not the other way around.

Lol, this just makes the other game's final day hilarious. ADK was going to die regardless of what happened.

[Dylan32]

If I was eliminated, ADK would go down too, but not the other way around.

Lol, this just makes the other game's final day hilarious. ADK was going to die regardless of what happened.

Yeah, I targeted them after a couple days where I had a pretty strong townread on them, and the next day they claimed 3rd party, and I was just like, welp... lol

[mathdude]

Math, are you part of the cylons vote?

No, that has me baffled too.

[mathdude]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.

And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).

It does not say if it is alignment or species.

I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?

If it doesn't say, why would you default to thinking it's alignment? Just to make sure the vote doesn't come back to you? Setup seems pretty clear that Cylon or Human species is not the same as alignment. If you get Cylon result, that sounds like species to me.

vote: Jack
because I can.

[Dylan32]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.

And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).

It does not say if it is alignment or species.

I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?

If it doesn't say, why would you default to thinking it's alignment? Just to make sure the vote doesn't come back to you? Setup seems pretty clear that Cylon or Human species is not the same as alignment. If you get Cylon result, that sounds like species to me.

vote: Jack
because I can.

I mean, unless his cop has a stated modifier in the name, I think alignment would be the default result there. Really, the only thing that even suggests it could be anything else is that gkrieg himself isn't voting.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: mathdude

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

Considering the position we'll be in if math flips a fourth alignment, we need to make sure that you can't just weasel out of this if math doesn't flip cylon. I think you really need to clarify exactly what information you got.

[Dylan32]

Vote: mathdude

My bad. I just remembered not voting immediately and missed the later vote.

[Dylan32]

Vote: mathdude

My bad. I just remembered *you* not voting immediately and missed the later vote.

EBWOP

[MiX]

Vote: mathdude

My bad. I just remembered not voting immediately and missed the later vote.

That vote was actually his first post.

[gkrieg13]

Vote: mathdude

Considering the position we'll be in if math flips a fourth alignment, we need to make sure that you can't just weasel out of this if math doesn't flip cylon. I think you really need to clarify exactly what information you got.

It is best for town if I don’t reveal everything. I have said what needs to be said.

[mathdude]

Why do I think you're lying? A "cop", who has a result that they don't even know what it means doesn't out themself this early. If scum think you are actuallly, unintentionally helping them, they leave you alive. If they think you'll catch them, they will kill you. Either way, it harms town. So the move you've pulled... anti-town.

I suspect this is more helpful for your personal wincon... or character arc or whatever. I say that because I seem to have some similar interaction with powers, character arc, and only partially our town wincons. So don't try to make us all think you're doing this in towns favour. You're not.

[EFHW]

I mean, unless his cop has a stated modifier in the name, I think alignment would be the default result there. Really, the only thing that even suggests it could be anything else is that gkrieg himself isn't voting.

Didn't we decide that (non-extremist) Cylon was not an alignment this game, in particular because extremist Cylons exist? Also, there's this:

It feels like this whole attempt at living together in peace is doomed from the start if it is built on a lie.

I might be a Cylon, and there is no Cylon qt that I know of.

Obviously I don't think being a Cylon is incriminating in and of itself. I'll ISO math tomorrow.

[mathdude]

I'm going to guess, given flavour texts, results of last game, and people's suspicions, claims, and results already... that there are more Cylons this round than Humans. So rather than getting stuck here, does anyone else have anything to discuss?

[2.71828.....]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

So, I haven't read much of the reaction, but being human or cylon does not make a person town or scum.

[Dylan32]

I mean, unless his cop has a stated modifier in the name, I think alignment would be the default result there. Really, the only thing that even suggests it could be anything else is that gkrieg himself isn't voting.

Didn't we decide that (non-extremist) Cylon was not an alignment this game, in particular because extremist Cylons exist? Also, there's this:

It feels like this whole attempt at living together in peace is doomed from the start if it is built on a lie.

I might be a Cylon, and there is no Cylon qt that I know of.

Obviously I don't think being a Cylon is incriminating in and of itself. I'll ISO math tomorrow.

I don't think we decided that. It was suggested it was possible, but that's not something we could possibly "know" yet, and I don't know that I believe it is most likely. I mean, read that flavor quote again. It seems to suggest that even though from a flavor standpoint being a cylon is not inherently a sign of being anti-town, the peace between the factions is tenuous at best and bound to fail at worst, in which case a faction in which a subset of cylons are actively opposed to town makes sense. Maybe that's simply the extremist group. It's possible, but we don't have enough info to know that for sure. Also, there's absolutely no logical reason to conclude that cylon-aligned doesn't exist on the basis of cylon extremists existing. That's basically the same thing as "there's no cult in the game because mafia exists." Is it possible there is not a 3rd party faction and cylon extremists are the mafia? Sure, but the fact one of them died would suggest someone else has a killing power. Perhaps a successful town vig wouldn't claim this early, but I would suggest lack of that means the kill was non-town aka non-extremist scum. There are other possibilities too, some of which work out the way you suggest, some that don't. Basically, we just don't know, and your confidence in asserting this feels mildly scummy to me.

What we do know is that there is a yellowish-orange colored cylon extremist faction, and there is a group of cylons that controls a vote. Maybe the two groups are one and the same. If they are, we essentially have to assume that the cylons vote is an anti-town vote until we are given a reason to believe otherwise. If the two groups are distinct, then maybe the cylons aren't anti-town, but until we have direct evidence to the contrary, I think the better play is to trust a cop with an early guilty result. I mean, unless gkrieg is going for an obscure 3rd party win con, it just doesn't seem like this is the move for scum this early.

ppe 2

[Dylan32]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

So, I haven't read much of the reaction, but being human or cylon does not make a person town or scum.

Right, but a normal functioning cop returns alignment, not race. If gkrieg's cop ability has any indication that it is not exactly a traditional cop, then sure, this result is much less directly incriminating. In lieu of that, I would rather err on the side of following a cop than ignoring it and forcing a decision late game when we have less chance of recovering if we are wrong.

[gkrieg13]

I have strong reason to believe there are not many town-aligned Cylons.

[LaLight]

I have strong reason to believe there are not many town-aligned Cylons.

i have a strong reason to believe there are at least 2? i already mentioned i have a personal goal: when town wins have at least one human and one cylon alive. would be weird if there would be only one town-aligned Cylon.

that said, my wedding's coming, so i won't be here for some time

[MiX]

I'm going to guess, given flavour texts, results of last game, and people's suspicions, claims, and results already... that there are more Cylons this round than Humans. So rather than getting stuck here, does anyone else have anything to discuss?

I don't think this is true: a bunch of people kept their characters, and those people are almost all humans. I do agree that there's more cylons now than there were before though.

I have strong reason to believe there are not many town-aligned Cylons.

i have a strong reason to believe there are at least 2? i already mentioned i have a personal goal: when town wins have at least one human and one cylon alive. would be weird if there would be only one town-aligned Cylon.

that said, my wedding's coming, so i won't be here for some time

Not that weird: you have the same personal goal for all the games (presumably), so I don't think it's a huge factor in balancing each game. Also, given town's unique win condition, you can win while there's scum cylons alive.

In any case, I'm on board killing math. But I don't know why gkrieg had to share this result: I'm pretty sure jack had already claimed cylon?

[2.71828.....]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

MiX (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (0)

With 14 alive, it took 8 to exile.

So, here is a theory about the cylon vote. But first
1) I think it is clear that cylons don't have the same communication ability as S1
2) I think it is very likely both town and scum cylons exist

That being said, my theory is that when 3 cylons are voting for the same person, the "cylon" vote moves to that wagon.

A few reasons
- we didn't really have wagons D1. A bunch of scattered votes.
- look at the wagon. cylons (confirmed or potential) include: jack, efhw, math. Then after the math vote cylons moved.

Just given everything that has come out I think it makes sense.

[2.71828.....]

Also, not necessarily against a math exile, but not really for it either.  I just am not sure what to think of gkrieg's claim and why it makes math scum. I feel as though math has a very "MiX-like" personality in that they are very "exile-able" simply due to their play style not due to their alignment.

But just saying "X is a cylon" is not enough to convince me to vote for them

[MiX]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

MiX (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (0)

With 14 alive, it took 8 to exile.

So, here is a theory about the cylon vote. But first
1) I think it is clear that cylons don't have the same communication ability as S1
2) I think it is very likely both town and scum cylons exist

That being said, my theory is that when 3 cylons are voting for the same person, the "cylon" vote moves to that wagon.

A few reasons
- we didn't really have wagons D1. A bunch of scattered votes.
- look at the wagon. cylons (confirmed or potential) include: jack, efhw, math. Then after the math vote cylons moved.

Just given everything that has come out I think it makes sense.

If that's true, there's at most 5 cylons. Could that be true? We also know ash was a cylon, so...

[EFHW]

I have strong reason to believe there are not many town-aligned Cylons.

i have a strong reason to believe there are at least 2? i already mentioned i have a personal goal: when town wins have at least one human and one cylon alive. would be weird if there would be only one town-aligned Cylon.

that said, my wedding's coming, so i won't be here for some time

Congrats!

[mathdude]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

MiX (3): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel, Dylan32
A Drowned Kernel (8): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (0)

With 14 alive, it took 8 to exile.

So, here is a theory about the cylon vote. But first
1) I think it is clear that cylons don't have the same communication ability as S1
2) I think it is very likely both town and scum cylons exist

That being said, my theory is that when 3 cylons are voting for the same person, the "cylon" vote moves to that wagon.

A few reasons
- we didn't really have wagons D1. A bunch of scattered votes.
- look at the wagon. cylons (confirmed or potential) include: jack, efhw, math. Then after the math vote cylons moved.

Just given everything that has come out I think it makes sense.

If that's true, there's at most 5 cylons. Could that be true? We also know ash was a cylon, so...

e's theory seems like sm interesting one, and could fit with the idea of some cylons being anti-town (ash?) and others pro-town (flavour text, thematic, the one wincon someone mentioned)... even if the details may not be exactly right about happening when 3 cylons have voted.

As for the statement of max 5... is that from tole carryover from last round, vote counts from D1, or both?

[MiX]

As for the statement of max 5... is that from tole carryover from last round, vote counts from D1, or both?

If the cylon vote moves when there's 3 cylons voting for someone, there can only be at most 5 cylon, otherwise 2 wagons could have 3 cylons.

[mathdude]

Couple typos...

... theory seems like an interesting one...

... is that fromrole carryover...

[mathdude]

As for the statement of max 5... is that from tole carryover from last round, vote counts from D1, or both?

If the cylon vote moves when there's 3 cylons voting for someone, there can only be at most 5 cylon, otherwise 2 wagons could have 3 cylons.

Could be majority. Could be whichever reaches 3 first until that wagon drops below 3 cylons.  Could be the most recent to 3. We're just hypothesizing, so there don't have to be arbitrary limits.

[Jack Rudd]

I don't appear to be a Cylon this time around, although of course I could be a sleeper agent.

[WestCoastDidds]

that said, my wedding's coming, so i won't be here for some time

What?!? Hooray! Congratulations!! I hope it’s super fun!

[WestCoastDidds]

Holiday weekend, y’all, so I’m expecting low ability to participate.

Having read everything, I am still of the opinion that cylons are not good for us. I also think that if gkrieg’s cop power returns that kind of result, it must be significant in some regard. It seems pointless to have it as a power if the implication of a result is meaningless.

Vote: math

I’m not sold on the idea that math is scum, but I’m still mulling the idea that there might be lots of competing factions, so perhaps scum isn’t the point. I don’t have any good reason to think he’s town.

[faust]

Vote Count 2.2

LaLight (1): MiX
MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (3): gkrieg13, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds
Jack Rudd (2): 2.71828....., mathdude

Not Voting (6): Jack Rudd, EFHW, scolapasta, Swowl, Glooble, Cylons

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm.

[Swowl]

Sorry all, randomly disappeared there for a few days. Did not miss to much it seems though.

Main things seem to be GK has result on Math (of some form) and people are trying to deduce the Cylon vote move thing.

1. I have no clue at all about the Cylons vote. I had pretty much just been assuming it was either an outside of our control game mechanic for like a turning point... but then it moved its vote... so now I am kind of thinking probably a PR shot of some sort that a skum gets to control.

2.

I'm going to guess, given flavour texts, results of last game, and people's suspicions, claims, and results already... that there are more Cylons this round than Humans. So rather than getting stuck here, does anyone else have anything to discuss?

Ok Cool beans. Here is the thing. I actually agree with the "not town play" analysis you gave prior to this post regarding GK.
I also think that following the cop result rn could be a slippery as hell slope (agreeing with whoever said that already).... However, from my pov here are the realistic possible situations.

1. GK rando 3p play, Math could be skum
2. GK is Town, Math could be skum
3. GK is skum, Math could be "other" skum

**OFC in all of these Math could also be Town and either the cylon check is not for Alignment, or GK is lying, or something else happened that messed with a result or something*

Whatever, my point is - You are asking if anyone has anything other than this that they want to discuss, but this is a pretty interesting situation. What is it you would want to dive into here that is more interesting, if, let's say, GK came back with the same result on someone else

[Swowl]

As for the statement of max 5... is that from tole carryover from last round, vote counts from D1, or both?

If the cylon vote moves when there's 3 cylons voting for someone, there can only be at most 5 cylon, otherwise 2 wagons could have 3 cylons.

Could be majority. Could be whichever reaches 3 first until that wagon drops below 3 cylons.  Could be the most recent to 3. We're just hypothesizing, so there don't have to be arbitrary limits.

Also, if we think this could actually be a thing... pretty sure we can coordinate a test for this yes?

[EFHW]

I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.

[mathdude]

**OFC in all of these Math could also be Town and either the cylon check is not for Alignment, or GK is lying, or something else happened that messed with a result or something*

Whatever, my point is - You are asking if anyone has anything other than this that they want to discuss, but this is a pretty interesting situation. What is it you would want to dive into here that is more interesting, if, let's say, GK came back with the same result on someone else

I'm obviously looking at gkrieg's claim from a different perspective than other townies. I know it either means he detects species, his ability has been messed with, or he's straight up lying about having the role.

Townies need to look at his claim/role and decide if it's true, what it means, and whether to believe me.

Scum probably need to figure out how to keep pushing this "it's alignment, vote out math" without looking optimistic. And if gkrieg isn't on their team (multiple scum factions, 3rd party, whatever), they also need to figure out what's up with gkrieg's power/claim.

When I asked if anyone else had other stuff to discuss, I mean we briefly discussed ash's death, alignment, and presumed passing of admiral role. Then gkrieg claimed and we talked a bit about what it might mean before the consensus seemed to start saying "ya, I'd be willing to vote out math". So I'm asking if there's other stuff to discuss.

Testing his role on someone else might be a good idea if he's a town cop (as might be testing the Cylons vote). But if gkrieg is scum, then it's pointless - he can say whatever he wants.

[2.71828.....]

I don't appear to be a Cylon this time around, although of course I could be a sleeper agent.

So you kept your character but you believe that even though you were a cylon last game you are human this game?

[Jack Rudd]

I didn't keep my character, no. I was Leoben Conoy, pretending to be Saul Tigh, last time; I'm Ellen Tigh this time.

[Swowl]

Well I was gonna say that all these people could vote for someone and see if we get the same result...

Day 1 Final Vote Count
A Drowned Kernel (: Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons, gkrieg13

... but it only takes 7 to exile today. So, that would not work.

The only votes between this VC and the Cylons voting were Mathdude and Pasta:

Vote Count 1.9

MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (4): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds
2.71828..... (1): scolapasta
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble

No Exile (1): LaLight

Not Voting (4):  Dylan32, Cylons, mathdude, gkrieg13

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to exile. Day 1 ends June 28, 2021, 03:00:00 pm. This is in less than 1 hour.

so we could have Math and Pasta vote for someone, then have the others on the final wagon cycle in to see if we get a result. However, obviously, if someone is just controlling the vote then it wouldn't matter anyways. So IDK how much merit the plan actually has.

[scolapasta]

I will say there's a lot of talk about "cop" this and "cop" that. But my guess is that gkrieg's actualy PR never mentions "cop" he just used that as shorthand for what his powers do.

I was thinking about this idea of the Cylons vote not being manually determined, and it makes sense to me that could be it.

So I'm happy to vote for someone and keep testing that... am starting to lean towards mathdude actually, as gkrieg's assertions seem too dangerous as cum and I'm believing him when he says there's more to it than just the result.

But with there being some time to deadline (and I wonder if it could also be time based), I'm going to go with:

Vote: Dylan

A known (at least kept same character) Cylon. And claimed Lover-Aligned, and my gut says they're a different faction than ADK.

Also, who took over for Robz? We know for a fact that is a new character.

[Swowl]

I will say there's a lot of talk about "cop" this and "cop" that. But my guess is that gkrieg's actualy PR never mentions "cop" he just used that as shorthand for what his powers do.

I was thinking about this idea of the Cylons vote not being manually determined, and it makes sense to me that could be it.

So I'm happy to vote for someone and keep testing that... am starting to lean towards mathdude actually, as gkrieg's assertions seem too dangerous as cum and I'm believing him when he says there's more to it than just the result.

But with there being some time to deadline (and I wonder if it could also be time based), I'm going to go with:

Vote: Dylan

A known (at least kept same character) Cylon. And claimed Lover-Aligned, and my gut says they're a different faction than ADK.

Also, who took over for Robz? We know for a fact that is a new character.

Actually that is a good point, it would be cool if the OP could have the subs put in.

Also... so you think there is a better chance of Dylan flipping skum than Math?

[LaLight]

checking in, still have a whole day of party, on Monday will try to reread.

[MiX]

I will say there's a lot of talk about "cop" this and "cop" that. But my guess is that gkrieg's actualy PR never mentions "cop" he just used that as shorthand for what his powers do.

I was thinking about this idea of the Cylons vote not being manually determined, and it makes sense to me that could be it.

So I'm happy to vote for someone and keep testing that... am starting to lean towards mathdude actually, as gkrieg's assertions seem too dangerous as cum and I'm believing him when he says there's more to it than just the result.

But with there being some time to deadline (and I wonder if it could also be time based), I'm going to go with:

Vote: Dylan

A known (at least kept same character) Cylon. And claimed Lover-Aligned, and my gut says they're a different faction than ADK.

Also, who took over for Robz? We know for a fact that is a new character.

Can you elaborate on why you think Dylan isn't town? Aside from "well ADK was".

[Glooble]

I took over for Robz. I’m not sure I ought to say who my character is.

[MiX]

I took over for Robz. I’m not sure I ought to say who my character is.

How do you know you took over for Robz and not gkrieg?

[EFHW]

Gkrieg said he has Space's character.

[MiX]

Gkrieg said he has Space's character.

Oh okay, thanks.

[gkrieg13]

Going to be pretty LA today.

[faust]

Vote Count 2.3

LaLight (1): MiX
MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (3): gkrieg13, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds
Jack Rudd (2): 2.71828....., mathdude
Dylan32 (1): scolapasta
gkrieg13 (1): Cylons

Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, Glooble

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm.

[MiX]

Well, there goes e's theory on the cylons vote.

I bet the cylon faction wants mathdude dead. So, let's help them out!

Vote: math

Maybe it's a bad vote, but mine's not better anyway. Plus, I can always just cancel the exile

[mathdude]

I will say there's a lot of talk about "cop" this and "cop" that. But my guess is that gkrieg's actualy PR never mentions "cop" he just used that as shorthand for what his powers do.

I completely agree with this prediction.

[mathdude]

Well, there goes e's theory on the cylons vote.

I bet the cylon faction wants mathdude dead. So, let's help them out!

Vote: math

Maybe it's a bad vote, but mine's not better anyway. Plus, I can always just cancel the exile

Cylon vote... umm, ya. Now what?

As for cylons wanting me dead, so help them out? I don't get that. You're ready to help cylons, so it's like to vote you out. But you would just cancel the exile, so that's pointless.

Do you think they want gkrieg dead or are they toying with us middle of the day?

vote: gkrieg

[MiX]

Whoever moved the cylon vote is toying with us. I don't have a good theory as to why, but voting gkrieg seems like it's baiting us to vote math. So I say let's do it. I have no reason to scumread the cylon vote anyway.

I do doubt that cylons voting gkrieg implies that they want gkrieg dead. Unless something very funny is happening. Which is now what I hope is true.

[scolapasta]

Interesting, so not vote based (seemingly), nor time based. I guess I'm back to thinking there's daychat? What else could explain that vote?

Anyway, I'm ok with switching my vote now to mathdude.

Vote: mathdude

That's X-2.

[MiX]

Unvote

[MiX]

Vote: math

Oops. Ignore me.

[scolapasta]

Was there an actual reason for that?

[MiX]

Was there an actual reason for that?

Yeah, I didn't want a potential vote + cylon hammer. But then I realized I can just stop the exile if someone outs themselves like that, so they need an explanation.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

[mathdude]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.

I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.

I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".

As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.

So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?

[MiX]

Unvote

I'll sleep on this. I have a bunch of mechanical thoughts about everything, but in terms of alignment, right now it seems very likely that Jack is not town.

[Jack Rudd]

Curiouser and curiouser.

[2.71828.....]

Granted, this is my first game with math, but their posts just feel town to me.

scolapasta, why Dylan? Dylan just hasn't been on my radar at all, interested to hear more about why you are voting there

[EFHW]

I wanted to vote gkrieg after his vla post without responding to anything. Maybe Cylons felt the same way.

[MiX]

Unvote

I'll sleep on this. I have a bunch of mechanical thoughts about everything, but in terms of alignment, right now it seems very likely that Jack is not town.

Oops I didn't actually sleep on this. Anyway, I agree with past!mix here.

I wanted to vote gkrieg after his vla post without responding to anything. Maybe Cylons felt the same way.

It seems like cylons aren't any player here. That is my belief, given that vote. Or, you know, they're toying with us.

[EFHW]

@math, it's not obvious to me why you didn't want to claim, but you say it should be. Why is that?

Your having the same power should have made you less skeptical, not more, even if you disagree with his conclusions from the information.

Why are you only partially claiming? What you have said so far does nothing to exonerate you or make you too valuable to exile. What was the point?

[EFHW]

I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.

I am waiting for a response to this.

[EFHW]

I don't appear to be a Cylon this time around, although of course I could be a sleeper agent.

How would you know you don't appear to be a Cylon?

[EFHW]

Unvote

I'll sleep on this. I have a bunch of mechanical thoughts about everything, but in terms of alignment, right now it seems very likely that Jack is not town.

Oops I didn't actually sleep on this. Anyway, I agree with past!mix here.

I wanted to vote gkrieg after his vla post without responding to anything. Maybe Cylons felt the same way.

It seems like cylons aren't any player here. That is my belief, given that vote. Or, you know, they're toying with us.

[EFHW]

Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?

[MiX]

Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?

I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.

Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.

[EFHW]

Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?

I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.

Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.

He should die because he said he's not a Cylon, and math said he is? Or some other reason?

[2.71828.....]

Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?

I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.

Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.

I agree with this

[MiX]

Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?

I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.

Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.

He should die because he said he's not a Cylon, and math said he is? Or some other reason?

Yeah, it's the first real inconsistency of the claims.

[faust]

Vote Count 2.4

MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (4): gkrieg13, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta
Jack Rudd (1): 2.71828.....
gkrieg13 (1): mathdude
2.71828..... (1): Cylons

Not Voting (5): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, Glooble, MiX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm.

[MiX]

I am so confused

Cylons! If you can hear me, vote Swowl in the next 2 hours. Thank you for your time.

[2.71828.....]

And yeah, I have no clue who or what controls the cylons. I had theories, but now my theory is it is either 3rd party (send most likely to me) or scum controlled

[2.71828.....]

I do kind of think both math and gkrieg are town.

I think gkrieg is misguided in his "all cylons are scum" stance that led him to vote math, but that still feels like a town read

[mathdude]

@math, it's not obvious to me why you didn't want to claim, but you say it should be. Why is that?

Your having the same power should have made you less skeptical, not more, even if you disagree with his conclusions from the information.

Why are you only partially claiming? What you have said so far does nothing to exonerate you or make you too valuable to exile. What was the point?

I said if gkrieg is actually a "cop", it's anti-town to claim immediately on one result (especially since he didn't even know if it means alignment or species). So that made me doubt his role.

Then I did exactly that. I guess the difference with my claim now is that I was at X-2 (which is typical to claim, I'd say), and it actually gives us some comparison for gkrieg's role/claim.

Partial claim? Based on last round and this, I'd say most of us have more than 1 power... sometimes passive though. I don't think the rest of my powers are important at the moment. So I only shared about the one that lets me investigate someone each night.

[MiX]

You, gkrieg and LL all have one big power, and then a bunch of random passives, right? This is almost what Jack's claim was too. And my own role is similar...

More claims would be cool. And maybe even pro-town!

[MiX]

You, gkrieg and LL all have one big power, and then a bunch of random passives, right? This is almost what Jack's claim was too. And my own role is similar...

More claims would be cool. And maybe even pro-town!

From everyone involved, scum is either Jack or e! So I think either of those people should claim stuff! I'm way too excited! Mechanics are fun!

[Glooble]

vote: Jack Rudd

[mathdude]

vote: Jack Rudd

Quotefail. MiX, you already stated this opinion. Why are you restating it here?

I don't think I'd said that I thought the cylons weren't any player here? I did imply it.

Also I'm sorta waiting for more claims. This game seems like it can open up at any moment. Right now I'm mainly waiting for Jack to tell us why he shouldn't die.

He should die because he said he's not a Cylon, and math said he is? Or some other reason?

Yeah, it's the first real inconsistency of the claims.

I think I'm on board with this.
vote: Jack

[MiX]

I am so confused

Cylons! If you can hear me, vote Swowl in the next 2 hours. Thank you for your time.

Request vote count, please!

And be aware that I could've been asking for these every hour for a whole IRL day! But I'm not that crazy.

[faust]

Vote Count 2.5

MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (4): gkrieg13, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta
Jack Rudd (3): 2.71828....., Glooble, mathdude
2.71828..... (1): Cylons

Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, MiX

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm.

[MiX]

Thank you faust!

This experiment told me I hate time zones and also that each day is a week long. So, yeah.

Jack and math, two cylons, fighting it out. Cool.

My money's on e. But my vote is...nowhere, actually. I think we either need more info or I need to actually start reading people like we're playing mafia. Which feels weird, cause we're definitely playing battlestar galactica.

[2.71828.....]

You, gkrieg and LL all have one big power, and then a bunch of random passives, right? This is almost what Jack's claim was too. And my own role is similar...

More claims would be cool. And maybe even pro-town!

From everyone involved, scum is either Jack or e! So I think either of those people should claim stuff! I'm way too excited! Mechanics are fun!

Where am I involved in this other than just being in the game? That I am (and have been) skeptical about gkrieg's claim necessarily meaning that math is scum?

I do agree that more claims will open things up more, but not really looking for any more claims today.

Well, except Jack. I want Jack to claim everything

[MiX]

You, gkrieg and LL all have one big power, and then a bunch of random passives, right? This is almost what Jack's claim was too. And my own role is similar...

More claims would be cool. And maybe even pro-town!

From everyone involved, scum is either Jack or e! So I think either of those people should claim stuff! I'm way too excited! Mechanics are fun!

Where am I involved in this other than just being in the game? That I am (and have been) skeptical about gkrieg's claim necessarily meaning that math is scum?

I do agree that more claims will open things up more, but not really looking for any more claims today.

Well, except Jack. I want Jack to claim everything

The cylons voting for you, mainly.

[LaLight]

vote: math, X-2

it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from

[LaLight]

also i believe gkrieg isn't telling something to us. seems improvable to me that he just got the cylon result and decided to claim and vote for the person

[gkrieg13]

My ability does not use the word "cop", but I really don't think that means anything in a themed RMM game.

I do indeed have one big power and a couple other small powers.

[gkrieg13]

unvote

I want to be the one to hammer math

[2.71828.....]

vote: math, X-2

it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from

also i believe gkrieg isn't telling something to us. seems improvable to me that he just got the cylon result and decided to claim and vote for the person

I could hard shift to exiling LaLight if there is interest.

These posts are an ultimate example of not-too-involved scum (tracking the limited access) who felt the need to justify a vote more than they needed to.

[2.71828.....]

unvote

I want to be the one to hammer math

Not going to happen.

Math is a bad exile today.

[2.71828.....]

Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?

Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger

[2.71828.....]

vote: math, X-2

it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from

Because we all know scum fake claim the same thing that other people have already claimed.

If anything, I prefer exiling gkrieg over math right now given info we have

[gkrieg13]

I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.

Why would it be not great for town to get a second shot out of a cop?

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?

Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger

If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.

[2.71828.....]

Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?

Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger

If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.

I really don't want to exile gkrieg or math today. I like exiling Jack because I think they have been scummy, not just because they are a cylon (per math).

I really think all the human vs cylon stuff is a big distraction for town that scum can easily hide behind (reference lalight's vote).

I am more than happy to give that discussion time to marinate (I would even be willing to no-exile today) rather than exile someone based on cylon vs human

[2.71828.....]

Dylan, Didds, and pasta: why are you voting for math?


Given that gkrieg is making broad assumptions about alignment based on very limited information provided by his character arc rather than actual alignment investigation, do you see yourself changing your vote?

[2.71828.....]

Again, not sure that gkrieg is scum, but I just don't think that gkrieg's conclusions are merited

[Jack Rudd]

I don't think I'm a Cylon because nothing in the character information I've been sent suggests to me I'm a Cylon. What else is there to say?

Vote: Mathdude

[EFHW]

I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.

Why would it be not great for town to get a second shot out of a cop?

Because it doesn't work out.

[EFHW]

I don't think I'm a Cylon because nothing in the character information I've been sent suggests to me I'm a Cylon. What else is there to say?

Vote: Mathdude

You don't get told which yiu are.

[gkrieg13]

Whoever moved the cylon vote is toying with us. I don't have a good theory as to why, but voting gkrieg seems like it's baiting us to vote math. So I say let's do it. I have no reason to scumread the cylon vote anyway.

I do doubt that cylons voting gkrieg implies that they want gkrieg dead. Unless something very funny is happening. Which is now what I hope is true.

Why do you think the cylon vote is not anti-town?

[gkrieg13]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

This is what I'm thinking. We don't know how the cylons vote works, but it is obviously not townie. At best it is something that is not being actively controlled, at worst, it is being controlled by a non-town faction.

[gkrieg13]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.

I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.

I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".

As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.

So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?

Ok, just got to this claim. Not sure how to react to it actually. This does sound similar to my role, but that really just makes the role kind of useless I think? Unless turning points can cause alignment switches of cylons?

Do you have any qualifier to your investigation ability? Or do you just detect if someone is a Cylon?

[gkrieg13]

I wanted to vote gkrieg after his vla post without responding to anything. Maybe Cylons felt the same way.

I mean, it was a holiday, and I was just popping in to say that I wouldn't be responding to anything that day.

[gkrieg13]

I think gkrieg should fully explain why he is sure math is scum. Cops always try to get a second use of their power after they find scum, but that's not great strategy for town, I think.

I am waiting for a response to this.

Already gone over this, basically my powers are not useful if math is town.

[LaLight]

vote: math, X-2

it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from

also i believe gkrieg isn't telling something to us. seems improvable to me that he just got the cylon result and decided to claim and vote for the person

I could hard shift to exiling LaLight if there is interest.

These posts are an ultimate example of not-too-involved scum (tracking the limited access) who felt the need to justify a vote more than they needed to.

i have the WORST hangover. i am not too involved

[gkrieg13]

I don't appear to be a Cylon this time around, although of course I could be a sleeper agent.

How would you know you don't appear to be a Cylon?

[gkrieg13]

Also, I have to either (1) accept that Cylons aren't scum this game, AND (2) my powers are just not very useful, AND (3) that another townie (math) has my exact same ability, AND (4) that math copped someone who was a Cylon, AND (5) that I happened to cop math (the one out of 14 people with my same ability), all of which must have fairly low odds. I mean, even the chance that we both cop Cylons, has to be about 40% (just guessing that it is lower than 50%), along with the very low chance of (3) and (5).

I think the chance of all of those things happening is just too low, where on the other hand, math is just scum, which has a much higher chance.

[gkrieg13]

I do kind of think both math and gkrieg are town.

I think gkrieg is misguided in his "all cylons are scum" stance that led him to vote math, but that still feels like a town read

So do you think that Cylon/non-Cylon is completely irrelevant for alignment?

[gkrieg13]

Thank you faust!

This experiment told me I hate time zones and also that each day is a week long. So, yeah.

Jack and math, two cylons, fighting it out. Cool.

Also the fact that we have Cylon vs. Cylon right now, shouldn't that mean that we should vote out math, to see if Cylon/non-Cylon is relevant to alignment before voting out the person math investigated? If we vote out Jack, we don't really get the information on whether Cylons are scum. Math could be lying scum.

If we instead flip Math, if he is town, we see that Cylons are not necessarily scum, which means his result on Jack is similarly not indicative of alignment.

[gkrieg13]

<snip>

If anything, I prefer exiling gkrieg over math right now given info we have

Why?

[2.71828.....]

I do kind of think both math and gkrieg are town.

I think gkrieg is misguided in his "all cylons are scum" stance that led him to vote math, but that still feels like a town read

So do you think that Cylon/non-Cylon is completely irrelevant for alignment?

For this iteration, for general town/scum, yes. Ashersky's flip felt like a third party that is necessarily cylon, but just for town vs scum, I think cylon/human is irrelevant

[2.71828.....]

<snip>

If anything, I prefer exiling gkrieg over math right now given info we have

Why?

Just gut reading all of maths responses. Really, I don't want to exile either of you

[2.71828.....]

Also, I have to either (1) accept that Cylons aren't scum this game, AND (2) my powers are just not very useful, AND (3) that another townie (math) has my exact same ability, AND (4) that math copped someone who was a Cylon, AND (5) that I happened to cop math (the one out of 14 people with my same ability), all of which must have fairly low odds. I mean, even the chance that we both cop Cylons, has to be about 40% (just guessing that it is lower than 50%), along with the very low chance of (3) and (5).

I think the chance of all of those things happening is just too low, where on the other hand, math is just scum, which has a much higher chance.

(1) there are most likely some cylon scum
(2) that would fit a narrative where both you and math are town
(3) see point 2 about your power being weaker than you thought
(4) Jack was a cylon last game plus recieved pressure D1, the "odds" are skewed, but would just have to ask math reasons behind the investigation
(5) why did you investigate math?

I think it is entirely plausible you are both town

[WestCoastDidds]

So much going on! Holy smokes!

I’m just getting back from the holiday weekend, so I’m not fully up to speed just yet, but I’ll have time to catch up this evening.

[mathdude]

vote: math, X-2

it seems to me like math had a fakeclaim that is similar to gkrieg's tole and that's where confusion came from

If I needed to fake claim, I'm sure I could come up with something better than "that's my power too". A 1 vs. 1 makes sense at Ex-Lo or similar... not D2.

Now I'm not saying this is 1 vs. 1. It's just weird that 2 of us seem to have the same power. Especially since I know at least gkrieg's isn't detecting alignment.

To me, this definitely seems like there's something weird going on with investigations, similar to but different than round 1

PPE 4

[mathdude]

Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?

Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger

If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.

Again, given my exposure round 1 and now round 2, I think this is very possible. If mine detects species, that helps my arc more than alignment this round.

Can you imagine designing a game where everyone had multiple powers that all help alignment? That would be hard to balance. Giving the arcs and the species helps spread out the powers, I think.

[mathdude]

Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?

Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger

If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.

I really don't want to exile gkrieg or math today. I like exiling Jack because I think they have been scummy, not just because they are a cylon (per math).

I really think all the human vs cylon stuff is a big distraction for town that scum can easily hide behind (reference lalight's vote).

I am more than happy to give that discussion time to marinate (I would even be willing to no-exile today) rather than exile someone based on cylon vs human

It may end up going no-exile anyway, depending on what MiX thinks of the popular vote.

[2.71828.....]

Mathdude: what do you think about your current wagon? Do you think Dylan, Didds, or pasta are scum who just hopped on an investigative result because it is an easy thing to do?

[mathdude]

I don't think I'm a Cylon because nothing in the character information I've been sent suggests to me I'm a Cylon. What else is there to say?

Vote: Mathdude

Setup specifically says we don't know our species. I want surprised when gkrieg said I'm Cylon. But I also wouldn't have been surprised if I had found out I'm Human.

[mathdude]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.

I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.

I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".

As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.

So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?

Ok, just got to this claim. Not sure how to react to it actually. This does sound similar to my role, but that really just makes the role kind of useless I think? Unless turning points can cause alignment switches of cylons?

Do you have any qualifier to your investigation ability? Or do you just detect if someone is a Cylon?

I'm just told I get to investigate someone. I picked Jack. My result came back morning of D1 as Cylon.

[mathdude]

Mathdude: what do you think about your current wagon? Do you think Dylan, Didds, or pasta are scum who just hopped on an investigative result because it is an easy thing to do?

It's quite possible at least one of them are. They also haven't been around much lately as this discussion happens, which really concerns me. If I do flip without a chance for some of them to actually come back and give more opinions on things, it really puts us (town) all in a tough spot tomorrow. They could just claim "I didn't catch up on reading in time to remove my vote".

[WestCoastDidds]

Okay… I’m reading fast before family fun time.

So gkrieg has an ability that says Math is a cylon.
Math has an ability that says Jack is a cylon.
The cylons are voting…first gkrieg and then e, and they don’t choose to obey MiX
There is controversy on whether or not cylons are actually baddies, so folks are saying we should choose the scummiest person regardless of the cylon result.

Is all that right?

So, fortuitously, in the case of Jack he is both an object of investigation and the scummiest player.

Vote: Jack

His flip (like Math’s) should tell us something about these results.

[Dylan32]

Okay… I’m reading fast before family fun time.

So gkrieg has an ability that says Math is a cylon.
Math has an ability that says Jack is a cylon.
The cylons are voting…first gkrieg and then e, and they don’t choose to obey MiX
There is controversy on whether or not cylons are actually baddies, so folks are saying we should choose the scummiest person regardless of the cylon result.

Is all that right?

So, fortuitously, in the case of Jack he is both an object of investigation and the scummiest player.

Vote: Jack

His flip (like Math’s) should tell us something about these results.

I still don't know about Jack being scummy. I just went back and read every post by him in season 1. D1 here when I said the claim was nothing like how he tried to claim anything in season one, the following two posts are the only time he claimed any information, and it was D4.

While it does seem early for massclaiming, the game needs jump-starting so I am in favor.

Claim then! What are you waiting for?

Usually we set an order. But I'm fine with claiming. I'm Dee and I set up the QT's between LL and scola and Space and Swowl. I also have the two-shot option to make a player unable to post in their QT's for a night and a day.

...Who? Can you give me a full name?

There's been 3 night, why have you setup only 2 QTs?

Dee = Anastasia Dualla.

I'm Saul Tigh.

I've got a rather uninteresting self-protective power. Maybe all the alcohol in my bloodstream serves to preserve me, or something.

Compare that to the way he tried to volunteer up the information that he had D1 this game, it's completely different. And saying "he didn't have any info to claim last season" doesn't work because there was definitely information that could have been claimed, and he didn't. However, in my read, I did see a couple things that might be similar, but they are things that would just take a little bit more time to know for sure, but I'm pretty confident I can read him based on what I just read. Right now, I don't think he's our best exile.

[2.71828.....]

So Dylan, why is math a better exile?

[Dylan32]

To the questions about being on Mathdude's wagon:

My initial vote was kind of split between two reasons. It was partly a "let's follow this claim and see how the wagon develops," and it was partly following through on some of the reasoning I laid out earlier about how even though not all cylons are anti-town this game, there is still at least one but probably two groups of cylons that are anti-town, and so in a 50/50 choice between a human and a cylon, I would probably lean towards the cylon. So that is where I wanted my vote.

ppe 1

[Dylan32]

So Dylan, why is math a better exile?

I'm about to go back and iso and see if I still think he is.

[Swowl]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.

I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.

I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".

As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.

So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?

vote: gkrieg

OK here is what I am struggling with here Math. You have an ability like GK, which GK claimed first so he is not like imprinting off of your claim here right. He said it, then you said it. If I am wrong about that order, someone correct me.
You "cop" Jack - cylon result
GK "cops" you - cylon result

So I can get why, if you are town, you are less likely to think that Jack is skum here based on the result... but like.. how is GK skum here?

[Dylan32]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.

I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.

I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".

As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.

So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?

vote: gkrieg

OK here is what I am struggling with here Math. You have an ability like GK, which GK claimed first so he is not like imprinting off of your claim here right. He said it, then you said it. If I am wrong about that order, someone correct me.
You "cop" Jack - cylon result
GK "cops" you - cylon result

So I can get why, if you are town, you are less likely to think that Jack is skum here based on the result... but like.. how is GK skum here?

Yeah, I don't get that either. Season one did have the cylon detector that was shared across multiple people, so it is totally plausible that faust would take the same idea but bend it into a different form for season two, in which case them each getting a result could make sense as a new version of the detector. In fact, I am starting to think that's probably the most likely case right now. Of course, that doesn't inherently mean both are town with that since there is also precedence of 3rd party caring in some way about stuff like this, e.g. ADK season one: in some way his win condition seems like it was tied to either race or military status (or both). However, both of the cylon test controllers I remember from season 1 were town, so this could go either way in my mind. Honestly, for now I don't think either of the two are our best exile.

Unvote

[Dylan32]

Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now

Vote: LL

[Swowl]

I am so confused

Cylons! If you can hear me, vote Swowl in the next 2 hours. Thank you for your time.

weird post.

[Swowl]

Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?

Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger

If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.

OK - but like... Ash flipped Cylon Aligned. Then you get a result on Math, then also Math gets a result on Jack. Seems like a too much good stuff if all cylons are skum.

[Swowl]

Gkrieg: why do you think cylons are scum this game?

Until you answer that question your claim is a big nothing burger

If cylons are not scum this game, then my powers just help my character arc goal and are not helpful to town.

OK - but like... Ash flipped Cylon Aligned. Then you get a result on Math, then also Math gets a result on Jack. Seems like a too much good stuff if all cylons are skum.

don't post before finishing reading kids.
Ignore this. I am caught up now.

[EFHW]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

[scolapasta]

Sorry - holiday. Was hoping to write a lot more, but am tired, so I'll do that tomorrow. Overall, still ok with my vote.

[Swowl]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

[faust]

Vote Count 2.6

mathdude (3): scolapasta, LaLight, Jack Rudd
Jack Rudd (4): 2.71828....., Glooble, mathdude, WestCoastDidds
LaLight (1): Dylan32
Swowl (1): Cylons

Not Voting (4): EFHW, Swowl, MiX, gkrieg13

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm. This is in 35 hours.

[MiX]

Very strange. I'm sure there's a lot of sciencing that we can do with the cylons vote, but not knowing their limitations really limits this.

Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now

Vote: LL

I think LL has to be town.

[mathdude]

Hmmm…the “cylons” don’t want Math to get exiled. That seems like a good reason to keep my vote where it is. I’m super wary of the “cylons” vote generally. If gkrieg is, in fact, a cylon detector they don’t seem to like that much. But who’s gonna join a wagon started by the “cylons”?? Oh wait, Math did.

I did. At this point, I'm scrambling. I don't know where to go. My main hope at this point is that MiX might actually cancel the exile if it goes through.

I think it's time to claim, at least partially. I really don't want to, and I think it should be obvious why (based on my previous posts). But I don't think I have any other choice.

I seem to have a similar power to gkrieg, which is why I was so skeptical of him when he first posted his result on me. I have the ability to investigate people as well, and I chose Jack last night. My result came back as "cylon".

As we've discussed with gkrieg's result on me, no indication of species or alignment. That's just what I read told - Jack is cylon.

So why do 2 people have similar roles? Are we both detecting species? Both alignment (I know not this, because gkrieg couldn't get me as cylon then)? Or one of each? Or do we function in a weird way like the cylon detector from last round?

vote: gkrieg

OK here is what I am struggling with here Math. You have an ability like GK, which GK claimed first so he is not like imprinting off of your claim here right. He said it, then you said it. If I am wrong about that order, someone correct me.
You "cop" Jack - cylon result
GK "cops" you - cylon result

So I can get why, if you are town, you are less likely to think that Jack is skum here based on the result... but like.. how is GK skum here?

When gkrieg first claimed, I made sure there was (and participated in) discussion about his results.  At that point, I was "showing interest" in finding out what's up with them, because I seemed to have a similar role and I knew his role wasn't detecting alignment.  I didn't want to immediately "counter-claim", as I would have preferred my role to stay hidden until I 1) knew more results, and 2) knew more about the potential relationship with cylon-species and cylon-aligned (or cylon-extremist, or whatever).

No one else seemed to show any concern about his open claim (which I still don't think D2 cop in a normal game should claim most of the time, unless absolutely needed... it would be better to try to get 1 or 2 more results before claiming - yet this is far from a normal game).  The only "bite" on figuring things out about gkrieg was the weird Cylons vote on him, so I commented on that and "followed" with a vote, again, just showing interest and making sure there was some discussion.  I wasn't claiming "he's scum, let's all vote for him", I was trying to keep discussion there to see what we could make of the Cylons vote.  Then that vote just went weird, switching to 2.71828..... later.  I didn't keep my vote on gkrieg, and didn't intend to, unless his response would have given scum-tells.

A lot of the pokes and prods and questions and votes was just trying to sort things out and get responses (from gkrieg and from others).  I still don't know what this Cylon-investigating ability does... for me, or for both of us.  It's weird that he claimed first.  If mine actually does detect scum (that is, species and alignment are somewhat connected again), then it must have somehow been a claim he or his team worked out that made sense to claim early?  I don't know.  I'm not convinced this is true.  I think it's some weird detection thing again, like last round.

[mathdude]

Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now

Vote: LL

I think it was 2.71828..... that expressed interest in a "hard switch" to voting for LL.

[mathdude]

Very strange. I'm sure there's a lot of sciencing that we can do with the cylons vote, but not knowing their limitations really limits this.

Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now

Vote: LL

I think LL has to be town.

If LL is scum, I'll bet MiX is too.  I believe he has expressed this sentiment multiple times, IIRC.  I'm not saying I think either of them are.  I'm just saying this has come up a few times, I believe.  Remember this for the future if one of them flips at some point.

[MiX]

Very strange. I'm sure there's a lot of sciencing that we can do with the cylons vote, but not knowing their limitations really limits this.

Reading back through, and LL stuck out to me a little bit. Someone else (I think mathdude, which is probably why it just stuck in my head) already said this, but some of his comments do sound more like they come from 3rd party than town. I've already read more tonight in this one sitting than I have at any given time in a long time, so I'll go back and try to build a full case later, but for now

Vote: LL

I think LL has to be town.

If LL is scum, I'll bet MiX is too.  I believe he has expressed this sentiment multiple times, IIRC.  I'm not saying I think either of them are.  I'm just saying this has come up a few times, I believe.  Remember this for the future if one of them flips at some point.

I mean I pushed LL D1 and early D2. Only now do I think they're town.

[MiX]

Math, when did you get to use your power? And when did gkrieg use his power? And when did both of you learn the information from the power?

[mathdude]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.

[MiX]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.

Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??

[mathdude]

Math, when did you get to use your power? And when did gkrieg use his power? And when did both of you learn the information from the power?

Used at night. Got results in the morning.

[MiX]

Math, when did you get to use your power? And when did gkrieg use his power? And when did both of you learn the information from the power?

Used at night. Got results in the morning.

What night?

[mathdude]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.

Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??

I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.

I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).

[mathdude]

Math, when did you get to use your power? And when did gkrieg use his power? And when did both of you learn the information from the power?

Used at night. Got results in the morning.

What night?

Not sure what you're getting at here. Night 1. How many nights have we had?

[scolapasta]

So to explain my two votes today - I think we should exile a cylon over a human, as I think there must be more Cylon scum (or at least non town). This is based on the fact that we non there is at least one Cylon non town faction (I'm making an assumption that Cylon Extremists are, or at least most likely to be, cylons. And the Cylon vote - we've all been trying to determine how it works and looking at it's votes thinking it's non-town, but here's another - if it were towny, why wouldn't someone who's involved speak up and just tell us? I can see why maybe not on D1 (and note they voted for a town), but at this point, I think that reveal would be pro town to do.

So initially I chose Dylan, partially because he was Cylon, but also because I wanted to put my vote somewhere as we were trying to learn about the Cylons vote. It seemed like we would learn more (and we did!) if I didn't join the mathdude wagon at that point. Once we learned that, I decided to go with my scum read of mathdude, which to be fair, is based largely on gkrieg's claim. I just don't think they would come out so strong if they didn't have something more that their "cop" result.

But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

[scolapasta]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.

Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??

I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.

I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).

This feels sketch to me.

I mean investigate in this game could be so may different things - find out alignment, find out species, find out military vs civilian, that there's no way your OR doesn't also say  something about the results you will get.

But you only refer to the non informative part about investigating and you don't mention at all anything about the results part?

[mathdude]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.

Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??

I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.

I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).

This feels sketch to me.

I mean investigate in this game could be so may different things - find out alignment, find out species, find out military vs civilian, that there's no way your OR doesn't also say  something about the results you will get.

But you only refer to the non informative part about investigating and you don't mention at all anything about the results part?

I don't get what the issue is. I have stated my results before. MiX asked what my power says. So I answered smart.

My "Result" came in the form of 2 words. Without quoting them both, so I don't break the rules, I'll tell you that the second word was "Cylon". What more are you asking for?

And of course investigate could mean so many things. I think part of the issue this game is figuring that out.

Also, you're asking gkrieg for more info. He's been asked many times and hasn't given anything. Either he has nothing, or it incriminates him, or he's intentionally hiding it for some other reason.

[MiX]

What's the flavor of your power, math? I don't know how much you can talk about it, but last game I talked a bit about the flavor of my power, and that seemed to be legal.

It would be so cool if this was a real time game and gkrieg could also answer these questions at the same time...sigh...

[gkrieg13]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

[2.71828.....]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Emphasis is mine.

And I agree, knowing his alignment is important. But my issue is that your investigation does not reveal alignment. That being said, it feels like a town mistake much more than a scum mistake.

[2.71828.....]

Day ends in about 25 hours, right? I am on vacation 8 hours off my regular time zone, just doing a sanity and math check

[MiX]

Day ends in about 25 hours, right? I am on vacation 8 hours off my regular time zone, just doing a sanity and math check

Right.

[2.71828.....]

Just looking at everything, where is glooble?

All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.

I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts

I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit

Vote: glooble

[Glooble]

Just looking at everything, where is glooble?

All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.

I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts

I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit

Vote: glooble

Finally. I think this is the longest I've lurked without being called out on it.

I've been busy. I've been keeping tabs. I've been moving my vote based on new info. I haven't had time for any deep-dive investigative posts.

But if you exiled me today that wouldn't be the worst thing.

[MiX]

Just looking at everything, where is glooble?

All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.

I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts

I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit

Vote: glooble

Finally. I think this is the longest I've lurked without being called out on it.

I've been busy. I've been keeping tabs. I've been moving my vote based on new info. I haven't had time for any deep-dive investigative posts.

But if you exiled me today that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Horrible post, town post.

[Glooble]

One of the reasons I have been lurking today is that, without claiming too much, there is... something in my role that makes my exile not entirely without upside. For town, I mean. But I guess I still prefer to send someone to the brig who might actually be scum.

[scolapasta]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.

Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??

I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.

I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).

This feels sketch to me.

I mean investigate in this game could be so may different things - find out alignment, find out species, find out military vs civilian, that there's no way your OR doesn't also say  something about the results you will get.

But you only refer to the non informative part about investigating and you don't mention at all anything about the results part?

I don't get what the issue is. I have stated my results before. MiX asked what my power says. So I answered smart.

My "Result" came in the form of 2 words. Without quoting them both, so I don't break the rules, I'll tell you that the second word was "Cylon". What more are you asking for?

And of course investigate could mean so many things. I think part of the issue this game is figuring that out.

Also, you're asking gkrieg for more info. He's been asked many times and hasn't given anything. Either he has nothing, or it incriminates him, or he's intentionally hiding it for some other reason.

See, but this is still another way of avoiding the question.

The question was about what your PR says about the results of your investigations. The first time you respond about it saying you can investigate, and nothing about what it says about the results. I call you out on that, and you talk about the specific result you got, but again, avoid saying anything about what the PR says about results.

Why are you avoiding this?

[scolapasta]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Then what was this post about?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..

[2.71828.....]

Just looking at everything, where is glooble?

All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.

I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts

I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit

Vote: glooble

Finally. I think this is the longest I've lurked without being called out on it.

I've been busy. I've been keeping tabs. I've been moving my vote based on new info. I haven't had time for any deep-dive investigative posts.

But if you exiled me today that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Not the reaction I was expecting

[mathdude]

See, but this is still another way of avoiding the question.

The question was about what your PR says about the results of your investigations. The first time you respond about it saying you can investigate, and nothing about what it says about the results. I call you out on that, and you talk about the specific result you got, but again, avoid saying anything about what the PR says about results.

Why are you avoiding this?

I'm not avoiding anything. Without providing a direct quote from my QT, I can't really say anything else. I've said exactly what I know. I know I'm allowed to investigate. The role/power itself doesn't say anything about what the results will be. The result was Cylon. Now I'm fairly certain that means I either investigate species or alignment (unless there's some weird cylon testing machine built into roles this time).

The best way to figure out which is investigate someone else, and hope for a different response - maybe Human, maybe Town... who knows.

[gkrieg13]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Then what was this post about?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..

Beyond just that power, I have reason to believe that Cylons are likely not town.

[gkrieg13]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Then what was this post about?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..

A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.

[2.71828.....]

I am intrigued by glooble, and not sure to make of their response.

I almost feel like it could actually come from scum, I just haven't really seen the "I am town but I suppose exiling me isn't all that bad" defense all that often from scum

[MiX]

I am intrigued by glooble, and not sure to make of their response.

I almost feel like it could actually come from scum, I just haven't really seen the "I am town but I suppose exiling me isn't all that bad" defense all that often from scum

It's not a defense, it's a soft claim.

[2.71828.....]

I am intrigued by glooble, and not sure to make of their response.

I almost feel like it could actually come from scum, I just haven't really seen the "I am town but I suppose exiling me isn't all that bad" defense all that often from scum

It's not a defense, it's a soft claim.

But the claim (soft as it is) says "I am kind of useful town, but my death actually could end up helping town"

Which just presents more dilemmas than it solves

[mathdude]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Then what was this post about?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..

A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.

If I needed a fake claim, I would have picked something that wouldn't draw so much attention. This is my main, active power/role, and now we need to figure out what to with this.

It seems to me like we may both be detecting species (though I'm not sure why). Would it make sense to both test the same person tonight? I'd have no problem stating my results first in the morning.

But who gets to choose who we investigate? One of us or someone else?

[mathdude]

If there is any way our roles are useful, then exiling one of the Cylon results makes sense to learn more. Obviously I recommend Jack. But I think there's a good reason to do that too.

If we exile me instead, scum could likely kill gkrieg tonight and then that's 2 investigative roles gone. If we exile Jack, we verify my result, he has been scummy, and even if scum does get one of us tonight, there is still another result available for tomorrow.

[Swowl]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Then what was this post about?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..

A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.

If I needed a fake claim, I would have picked something that wouldn't draw so much attention. This is my main, active power/role, and now we need to figure out what to with this.

It seems to me like we may both be detecting species (though I'm not sure why). Would it make sense to both test the same person tonight? I'd have no problem stating my results first in the morning.

But who gets to choose who we investigate? One of us or someone else?

1. TBF, if you needed a fake claim this would be a brilliant one. Mirror effect on your already existing vote on Jack who also happens to be FOS by many so far.

2. Unfortunately, I do no think there is a way for that plan to work if you have to publicly pick the target.

[Swowl]

huh...

Hey Math - have you like... tried asking Faust in your QT for a clarification on what the result means in regards to alignment vs species?

[LaLight]

Just looking at everything, where is glooble?

All of the active people have interesting things going on with both reasons to exile and not to exile.

I see no reason we shouldn't exile glooble. D2 has been "full" of common knowledge posts and then just jumping on the jack wagon. "Full" = all 5 posts

I will be around to switch up votes before deadline, but let's experiment here a bit

Vote: glooble

Finally. I think this is the longest I've lurked without being called out on it.

I've been busy. I've been keeping tabs. I've been moving my vote based on new info. I haven't had time for any deep-dive investigative posts.

But if you exiled me today that wouldn't be the worst thing.

Horrible post, town post.

completely agree

[LaLight]

I am intrigued by glooble, and not sure to make of their response.

I almost feel like it could actually come from scum, I just haven't really seen the "I am town but I suppose exiling me isn't all that bad" defense all that often from scum

i did that!

[LaLight]

i'm pretty good with my vote on math.

[mathdude]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Then what was this post about?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..

A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.

If I needed a fake claim, I would have picked something that wouldn't draw so much attention. This is my main, active power/role, and now we need to figure out what to with this.

It seems to me like we may both be detecting species (though I'm not sure why). Would it make sense to both test the same person tonight? I'd have no problem stating my results first in the morning.

But who gets to choose who we investigate? One of us or someone else?

1. TBF, if you needed a fake claim this would be a brilliant one. Mirror effect on your already existing vote on Jack who also happens to be FOS by many so far.

2. Unfortunately, I do no think there is a way for that plan to work if you have to publicly pick the target.

That early vote was my way of saying I have a potentially condemning result on Jack.

[WestCoastDidds]

I still think we should exile a cylon. Math seems somewhat less scummy than Jack. But I think there is no way they are both town. The results, and the responses to them, are confusing to me.

[EFHW]

scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.

scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.

vote: scolapasta

I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?

[Dylan32]

<snip>
But it's probably best to ask, gkrieg, do you have anything else pointing to mathdude other than your result and your hypothesis that your powers would be weak if that alone wasn't alignment indicative?

I do not have anything else. I investigated mathdude because I think his D1 was scummy. I think a lot of people were giving him a pass just because he has been exiled D1 in every game he has played so far, but I thought his D1 matched his scum game that I was in. I also figured he was kind of a polarizing person, so knowing his alignment was important.

Then what was this post about?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

"pretty good reason" doesn't feel like, well this PR is weak..

A second reason, now that mathdude has claimed, is that his cop power seems like a fake claim, in ways I can get into Tomorrow.

If I needed a fake claim, I would have picked something that wouldn't draw so much attention. This is my main, active power/role, and now we need to figure out what to with this.

It seems to me like we may both be detecting species (though I'm not sure why). Would it make sense to both test the same person tonight? I'd have no problem stating my results first in the morning.

But who gets to choose who we investigate? One of us or someone else?

1. TBF, if you needed a fake claim this would be a brilliant one. Mirror effect on your already existing vote on Jack who also happens to be FOS by many so far.

2. Unfortunately, I do no think there is a way for that plan to work if you have to publicly pick the target.

That early vote was my way of saying I have a potentially condemning result on Jack.

The weird thing about you insisting on this is that if your result is distinctly condemning on Jack, then logically gkrieg's would be condemning on you as well. But this would seem to be a contradiction, unless of course an investigative "cylon" result does not mean "not town" or gkrieg is lying about you.

So it seems like either:
A) gkrieg made up his claim and he and Jack are both not town and mathdude is telling the truth.
B) mathdude is making a clever play trying to misexile Jack (already suspected by several people before that, easy target) and then nk gkrieg, wasting an exile and knocking out a cop.
C) gkrieg and mathdude are both telling the truth but their results are not alignment indicative.

Mathdude insisting on Jack would make sense if he was pushing gkrieg too, but it seems he's ready to accept that gkrieg could be town while having no question about Jack. This makes the most sense if mathdude is actually scum as opposed to town.

ppe 1

[mathdude]

huh...

Hey Math - have you like... tried asking Faust in your QT for a clarification on what the result means in regards to alignment vs species?

I did. He said I do not get any more information than what has been provided.

[WestCoastDidds]

scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.

scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.

vote: scolapasta

I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?

I hear you. But in full truth I’m spread really thin with family stuff right now so I can’t manage more active at the moment. I don’t want to not vote, though, and I am not convinced that cylon are not bad guys when we have seen a cylon extremist, there is a hidden cylons vote,  and investigative results are returning cylon. I don’t think that is scummy at all… maybe rather simple, but I also think there is some unnecessary complication going on.

[Glooble]

scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.

scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.

vote: scolapasta

I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?

I think it's positive utility overall, it's just all three of my abilities are HIGHLY situational, to the point that I could absolutely see the whole game happening and none of them being relevant.

[EFHW]

Just realized deadline is tomorrow. I think Jack townslipped when he thought he wasn't a Cylon anymore. Scum would have a lot more information, and he was scum last time. The Cylons are voting for Swowl now, I see. Delayed reaction? Maybe the person controlling that vote wasn't on between MiX's request and the previous vc.

mathdude having the same power as gkrieg is an odd coincidence. But I find scola scummier. I'll check in tomorrow morning and see if my vote is needed.

[EFHW]

We have three new players and gkrieg said he has taken over Space's role. Glooble seemed to think he took over for Robz but was cagey about his flavor name. So, is e Awaclus, or did we make some mistaken assumptions?

[Dylan32]

We have three new players and gkrieg said he has taken over Space's role. Glooble seemed to think he took over for Robz but was cagey about his flavor name. So, is e Awaclus, or did we make some mistaken assumptions?

It's possible that rather than getting their characters, the new players got new characters (except I guess if they have already claimed to have the same one). I mean, in other legacy games like Pandemic legacy, new characters are introduced and become available throughout the course of the game, and the players are able to choose to keep using the old ones or start using the new ones. I would imagine there are similar but different ideas in this since those are the games this was drawing inspiration from.

[Swowl]

Vote: Math

[faust]

Vote Count 2.7

mathdude (4): scolapasta, LaLight, Jack Rudd, Swowl
Jack Rudd (3): Glooble, mathdude, WestCoastDidds
LaLight (1): Dylan32
Glooble (1): 2.71828.....
EFHW (1): Cylons
scolapasta (1): EFHW

Not Voting (2): MiX, gkrieg13

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to exile. Day 2 ends July 07, 2021, 03:15:00 pm. This is in 12 hours.

[MiX]

I will take this vote count as evidence that EFHW is telling the truth. This tells us the person behind the cylon vote is very logical, and is trying to do their best to communicate with us through voting...OR they're pretty logical, and are trying to toy with us. That narrows it down.

Hmm...I like these wagons. I'm sure I would get a lot of info if I reread this day, but I don't feel like it :/

[MiX]

Vote: math

[EFHW]

We have three new players and gkrieg said he has taken over Space's role. Glooble seemed to think he took over for Robz but was cagey about his flavor name. So, is e Awaclus, or did we make some mistaken assumptions?

It's possible that rather than getting their characters, the new players got new characters (except I guess if they have already claimed to have the same one). I mean, in other legacy games like Pandemic legacy, new characters are introduced and become available throughout the course of the game, and the players are able to choose to keep using the old ones or start using the new ones. I would imagine there are similar but different ideas in this since those are the games this was drawing inspiration from.

Yes, I know. But MiX was asking about Space and Robz, saying nothing about Awaclus. What's that about? There is also some benefit to knowing who someone might be.

[MiX]

e is indeed Awaclus by the way.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: Jack

Better than math

[EFHW]

Vote: Jack

Better than math

What did you think about my townslip idea?

[MiX]

Vote: Jack

Better than math

What did you think about my townslip idea?

The cylons on game 1 were cylon-aligned and had flavor names of cylons. That doesn't mean they had more information, it's just obvious that they would all be cylons.

I'll let e answer your actual question.

[Dylan32]

Vote: mathdude

I think that's X-1. If it's only between him and Jack, I obviously think math has a higher chance of flipping scum, but also I think this would be more informative about more other people than a Jack flip would currently.

[gkrieg13]

vote: math

[WestCoastDidds]

Good morning! I’ve found ally got some space to reread, but it looks like we’re almost done? I think this is right:


mathdude (6): scolapasta, LaLight, Jack Rudd, Swowl, MiX, Dylan (x-1)
Jack Rudd (4): Glooble, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, e
EFHW (1): Cylons
scolapasta (1): EFHW

Not Voting (2): gkrieg13

PPS: ope! It’s over

Deadline at 3:15 today.


Gkrieg said he wants to hammer math, so I’ll wait until he shows up before I think about moving my vote. EFHW with the lone unconsolidated vote is noteworthy, I think. I’m not sure why she is singling scola (and me) out for wanting to oust a cylon when that seems to be the popular opinion. Strange.

[WestCoastDidds]

PPE: it’s over, rather

Draft fail!

[MiX]

vote: math

gkrieg the hammer man.

Math, full claim. I'm the only person that can save you. Related: if anyone else can save math, don't, that's incredibly anti-town, as you can just tell me you're gonna do it and I'll do it for you.

[MiX]

vote: math

Town vig kill this man if math flips town btw.

I know you exist, and you might not be town, but you might be listening to me, and you might even trust me.

[gkrieg13]

vote: math

Town vig kill this man if math flips town btw.

I know you exist, and you might not be town, but you might be listening to me, and you might even trust me.

If I’m not town, I just made the stupidest move if math flips town.

[MiX]

vote: math

Town vig kill this man if math flips town btw.

I know you exist, and you might not be town, but you might be listening to me, and you might even trust me.

If I’m not town, I just made the stupidest move if math flips town.

Arguably same if you're town, but, yeah, that is true.

[scolapasta]

Huh, I was all ready to get in here today and be around for end of day, but I guess it's all set... (barring a pardon).

[scolapasta]

scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.

This is a misrepresentation of what I've been saying. At no point did I say that all Cylons=scum. Just that (based on the Cylon Extremist faction existing and the Cylons anti town voting) that I feel pretty stronglt that there is at least another non town Cylon. And since it *could* be more than one, as well, that voting for suspected Cylons seems best, barring other info.

scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.

I'm not so sure it's clear, but since gkrieg seems to have a similar ability, let's ask him? Does your investigate ability say anything about the results in the PR description?

[gkrieg13]

It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.

[MiX]

It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.

Why would you assume it's alignment then? It's clearly species if that's what it says.

[scolapasta]

It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.

Why would you assume it's alignment then? It's clearly species if that's what it says.

I agree with Mix here (of course), and this is also all I was trying to get out of mathdude, if it says the same thing about his results.

[gkrieg13]

It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.

Why would you assume it's alignment then? It's clearly species if that's what it says.

I agree with Mix here (of course), and this is also all I was trying to get out of mathdude, if it says the same thing about his results.

I was obviously not going to answer for mathdude seeing as I think it is a fake claim.

[gkrieg13]

Cylon vote I guess could be speccy controlled, but that still seems weird.

[MiX]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.

And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).

It does not say if it is alignment or species.

I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?

So was this a lie, gkrieg?

[gkrieg13]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.

And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).

It does not say if it is alignment or species.

I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?

So was this a lie, gkrieg?

? That is exactly what I just said. It does not say if it is alignment or species. It says you find out if they are a Cylon or not. That is 100% consistent with what I said above.

[Dylan32]

It still bothers me that gkrieg hasn't told us why he concluded math was scum. People seem to be moving toward letting this go for now, which would be ok with me except for this missing element.

They referenced somewhere that their PR(s) would not make sense if their cop shot was not based on alignment.

And then I believe later said that's because the role would only help their character arc, rather than helping town. And I have the same thing.
I guess what we need is for me and/or gkrieg to get an opposite read next night, if possible, and see if we get results of "Human", "Town", "Non-Cylon", etc. Then we can maybe better tell if we are detecting species or alignment or something else.

Doesn't the power say if you're learning species of alignment??

I've said it before but I'll say it again. No, it doesn't.

I don't want to break the rule about quoting QT info. But it tells me something like this: "each night, you may investigate another player" (not an exact quote).

It just says investigate and find out if they are a cylon or not.

There's a subtle difference here that makes me think math was fakeclaiming potentially after reading all of gkrieg's posts during the claim conflict time period. In claiming, he said he "copped" mathdude, but that it wasn't clear if it was alignment or race. He never said what the ability told him what the result of the investigation would be. In mathdude's most detailed version of the claim, which is admittedly a paraphrase in accordance with rules, just said he was told he could investigate another player and then got the result cylon.

Two things:
One, if this is very close to the PR wording of gkrieg's ability, that seems pretty clearly referring to race not alignment to me.
Two, nowhere in mathdude's claim and clarification of his PR did he mention anything about the "find out if they are a cylon" clause of the ability. He just said he could investigate another player with no indication of what the role was.

Of those two power wordings, gkrieg's sounds much more believable, and thus the difference makes me believe mathdude was legitimately trying to mimic gkrieg's ability with his claim, but gkrieg held on to the "find out if they were cylon or not" phrase until after it was too late for mathdude. So even though I really don't believe gkrieg's ability by itself is alignment indicative, I do think he found scum based on mathdude's play post-claim.

ppe 3

[MiX]

That means species. That literally means species.

Imagine if there's an animal-aligned team, and players are either humans or animals. If a power says "learn if they're an animal", what do you think you learn??

[MiX]

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

[Dylan32]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

As others like Glooble have said... are you saying alignment or species? Because yes, I'm fairly certain I'm Cylon species.

And I have a strong inclination that there is either more that you aren't telling us, or you are strictly lying (and got lucky guessing I'm Cylon).

It does not say if it is alignment or species.

I don't want to completely reveal everything about my copping ability. Why do you think I'm lying, and why would I guess that you were a Cylon?

So was this a lie, gkrieg?

? That is exactly what I just said. It does not say if it is alignment or species. It says you find out if they are a Cylon or not. That is 100% consistent with what I said above.

I mean, I read the detailed version of the claim and it sounds pretty unambiguously like it means race, but I can see a rational person interpreting it as not being clear, especially since gkrieg wasn't in season 1 to be directly involved in all the conversations we had about that distinction in language usage around the two in our abilities and things.

[MiX]

Anyway I'm fine with killing math because if he has gkrieg's power, he should've known that he saw species.

PPE: Basically that, yeah, I'm fine excusing gkrieg, mostly because we might have to.

[Dylan32]

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

Ok, you've been pretty keen to ask everyone else to claim various things this game, so I'm going to turn it around. What gave you that info?

[mathdude]

vote: math

gkrieg the hammer man.

Math, full claim. I'm the only person that can save you. Related: if anyone else can save math, don't, that's incredibly anti-town, as you can just tell me you're gonna do it and I'll do it for you.

I'm Hermes, a Number 8. This is why I want surprised when gkrieg said I'm a Cylon (but I was surprised that he has the same power I have, apparently). I tried googling, but found nothing.

I have the ability each night to investigate someone, as I have said. And I got a result of "Cylon" on Jack. So if Cylon is scum, then either gkrieg is lying or scum has the ability to frame someone. And if Cylon is scum, you need to get rid of Jack.

I also have a single shot power that relates to the Executive Order deck - somewhat similar to what Jack claimed, but not exactly the same. I don't fully trust MiX (which is a bit concerning since he's the only one that can save me now), so I won't provide full details about it.

Here's the good one... I was actually in a neighbourhood with ash the first day - it seemed like it was permanent for the game, but gone now obviously. (I didn't want to reveal this while already under suspicion, as I could see that immediately getting me voted out... guess it didn't help). He claimed he was a 3rd party Cylon with a wincon similar to a Survivor. He also alluded to the fact that the Cylons vote was from him at the start of N1. So to me, I think this means he wasn't a lone survivor, but maybe a faction with other player(s) in it? When the discussions happened D1 about scum possibly not having a normal kill, I questioned him, since he was self-proclaimed Cylon. He told me he didn't have any kill abilities, but I'm not sure if I believe that.

I think that's all I've got. Is that enough of a full claim for you, MiX? I'll answer any questions you have.

PPE 9!!

[MiX]

I suggest trusting me right now.

[Dylan32]

I suggest trusting me right now.

I mean, do what you want with what you have and know, but I'm just going to throw it out there, if you overturn this exile and mathdude isn't actually town, my vote won't move off of you until one of us is out of the game or you are mod confirmed IC lol.

Ok, that's probably exaggeration, but you will end up being my top scumread by far. It would also be fun for ADK's way too early scumteam call of MiX and mathdude to be proven right.

[mathdude]

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

This intrigues me. I wonder what this "good authority " is.

[Swowl]

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

This intrigues me. I wonder what this "good authority " is.

"the person or ability he doesn't want to talk about"

[mathdude]

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

[Jack Rudd]

There are certainly human-aligned #8s in the show, such as Athena, for what that's worth.

[scolapasta]

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

MiX, do you have the same passive power you had in S1? Is this from that? I mean, what else could it be?

If so, I wonder how precise your info is, or is it more generic like "different platers have the same (or similar) abilities" and your inferring its mathdude and gkrieg?

[MiX]

I suggest trusting me right now.

I mean, do what you want with what you have and know, but I'm just going to throw it out there, if you overturn this exile and mathdude isn't actually town, my vote won't move off of you until one of us is out of the game or you are mod confirmed IC lol.

Ok, that's probably exaggeration, but you will end up being my top scumread by far. It would also be fun for ADK's way too early scumteam call of MiX and mathdude to be proven right.

Lol. That is unfortunately fair. With great power comes great responsibility, after all.

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

MiX, do you have the same passive power you had in S1? Is this from that? I mean, what else could it be?

If so, I wonder how precise your info is, or is it more generic like "different platers have the same (or similar) abilities" and your inferring its mathdude and gkrieg?

I do not have the same passive power I had in S1. I wish.

I will not clarify this.

[WestCoastDidds]

I really, really want to do the “we got scum” dance. Come on! Come on! Come on!

Also, I’m not going to appoint a successor, so if I get whacked, it will be a rando military.

[MiX]

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?

[WestCoastDidds]

Mix, you’re being so evasive right now. I don’t get it, but I trust you. And I know that you are always opposed to revealing more rather than less.

PPE: what? That’s weird.

[scolapasta]

vote: math

gkrieg the hammer man.

Math, full claim. I'm the only person that can save you. Related: if anyone else can save math, don't, that's incredibly anti-town, as you can just tell me you're gonna do it and I'll do it for you.

I'm Hermes, a Number 8. This is why I want surprised when gkrieg said I'm a Cylon (but I was surprised that he has the same power I have, apparently). I tried googling, but found nothing.

I have the ability each night to investigate someone, as I have said. And I got a result of "Cylon" on Jack. So if Cylon is scum, then either gkrieg is lying or scum has the ability to frame someone. And if Cylon is scum, you need to get rid of Jack.

I also have a single shot power that relates to the Executive Order deck - somewhat similar to what Jack claimed, but not exactly the same. I don't fully trust MiX (which is a bit concerning since he's the only one that can save me now), so I won't provide full details about it.

Here's the good one... I was actually in a neighbourhood with ash the first day - it seemed like it was permanent for the game, but gone now obviously. (I didn't want to reveal this while already under suspicion, as I could see that immediately getting me voted out... guess it didn't help). He claimed he was a 3rd party Cylon with a wincon similar to a Survivor. He also alluded to the fact that the Cylons vote was from him at the start of N1. So to me, I think this means he wasn't a lone survivor, but maybe a faction with other player(s) in it? When the discussions happened D1 about scum possibly not having a normal kill, I questioned him, since he was self-proclaimed Cylon. He told me he didn't have any kill abilities, but I'm not sure if I believe that.

I think that's all I've got. Is that enough of a full claim for you, MiX? I'll answer any questions you have.

PPE 9!!

I'm not aware of any Hermes character from the show and googling didn't seem to help. Not sure why faust would make up a character, especially when in S1 I was a Cylon, I was just a # and no name (outside of my false claim). That said, I'm not sure what faking this gains mathdude.

I still don't believe that your PR wouldn't say anything at all about the type of result (it feels to me like doubling down on this, since it would now be hard for you to claim it told you Cylon or not like gkrieg).

And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?

My last question here I think is timeline? You said you had the neighborhood D1, but that ash said something about N1? How could he do that on D1? or am I misunderstanding your timeline here?

I'm guessing mathdude is another Cylon Extremist and maybe their win condition is something liek eliminate all humans (which would explain the utility of his PR to his win con)

[MiX]

Math, why didn't you claim the QT thing SoD2?

[scolapasta]

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?

So which is it - you say they have the same power, mathdude says they don't?

Either you're misinterpreting your "good authority" or you're lying, or mathdude is.

[MiX]

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?

So which is it - you say they have the same power, mathdude says they don't?

Either you're misinterpreting your "good authority" or you're lying, or mathdude is.

Sshhh wait for math to answer

[scolapasta]

And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?

FOUND IT (emphasis mine):

Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.

Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.

So, tell me again, how ash claimed 3rd party to you?

[EFHW]

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

You want MiX to trust you, but you are still holding back part of your role, apparently. What is the relevance of you trusting him?

[gkrieg13]

I’m certain that my role is not the same as math’s as he has most recently explained it. But this latest explanation seems different from previous ones.

[MiX]

And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?

FOUND IT (emphasis mine):

Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.

Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.

So, tell me again, how ash claimed 3rd party to you?

I don't think ash believes that people will always always always exile claimed 3rd parties immediately. He just wishes that to be true.

[WestCoastDidds]

Then why would he claim that in the qt??

[faust]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

mathdude (7): scolapasta, LaLight, Jack Rudd, Swowl, MiX, Dylan32, gkrieg13
Jack Rudd (4): Glooble, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
EFHW (1): Cylons
scolapasta (1): EFHW

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it took 7 to exile. Twilight ends in about 7.5 hours.

[mathdude]

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?

If I'm still alive tomorrow and get a "Human" result, then yes. Maybe my role does detect alignment though and Jack would be scum.

[mathdude]

I'm not aware of any Hermes character from the show and googling didn't seem to help. Not sure why faust would make up a character, especially when in S1 I was a Cylon, I was just a # and no name (outside of my false claim). That said, I'm not sure what faking this gains mathdude.

I still don't believe that your PR wouldn't say anything at all about the type of result (it feels to me like doubling down on this, since it would now be hard for you to claim it told you Cylon or not like gkrieg).

And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?

My last question here I think is timeline? You said you had the neighborhood D1, but that ash said something about N1? How could he do that on D1? or am I misunderstanding your timeline here?

I'm guessing mathdude is another Cylon Extremist and maybe their win condition is something liek eliminate all humans (which would explain the utility of his PR to his win con)

You don't have to believe my PR gives no more info. I wish I had more to share so people could tell I'm telling the truth. But I'm not going to make stuff up to appease you.

Re: your timeline question... I mean the QT started at the start of D1. It's still there, it just says Ash can't post in it. This is why I assume it would have persisted through the game. It was still open at night.

[mathdude]

Math, why didn't you claim the QT thing SoD2?

Same reason I didn't claim result on Jack SOD2... the moment I logged in, I was under fire from gkrieg's result on me, which we finally now are fairly certain only detects species. If I claimed result on Jack right away, it would probably have put me more under fire (and cop result of unknown value i would rather have waited another day or two to claim to try and figure it out).

So also if i mentioned a connection to ash right after it was said I'm a Cylon... I just didn't want to raise more alarms. I was hoping the result on me would blow over when it would be seen that it's likely just detecting species. In hindsight, maybe I should have shared this ash QT right away (I don't regret holding onto the Jack result... that was the right move).

[mathdude]

And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?

FOUND IT (emphasis mine):

Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.

Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.

So, tell me again, how ash claimed 3rd party to you?

I'll get to this and following stuff within the next hour

[scolapasta]

It also doesn't seem right to me that Cylon Extremists would be Survivors... that doesn't seem quite "extreme" enough. i.e. Extremists usually wan t to eliminate some ideology (or in thus case, maybe faction or species, or all military, etc.)

[MiX]

Math, why didn't you claim the QT thing SoD2?

Same reason I didn't claim result on Jack SOD2... the moment I logged in, I was under fire from gkrieg's result on me, which we finally now are fairly certain only detects species. If I claimed result on Jack right away, it would probably have put me more under fire (and cop result of unknown value i would rather have waited another day or two to claim to try and figure it out).

So also if i mentioned a connection to ash right after it was said I'm a Cylon... I just didn't want to raise more alarms. I was hoping the result on me would blow over when it would be seen that it's likely just detecting species. In hindsight, maybe I should have shared this ash QT right away (I don't regret holding onto the Jack result... that was the right move).

This is not true.

Wow, lots going on. First thoughts...

Dual alignment seems weird. Ash being the only death at night, being non-town, likely means it's not his faction who killed him. So either Vig or other scum-type group. Ash's alignment does seem scummy though, but they didn't kill. Do they not have a kill or was a doctor, RB, or something else effective?

There's a lot to respond to. I will try to get to some of it tonight. I'll be fully caught up tomorrow.

Vote: mathdude

Your first post was before gkrieg's first post.

[MiX]

I will probably post a barrage of responses to specific posts over the next couple hours, since there's a lot I want to reply to. They are responses specific to the quoted posts, but with an awareness of everything that has been posted to date.

Damn, the one game I was agreeing with ash, and he dies...I guess it makes sense he didn't flip town, but still.

I would like everyone that used a Vigil ability to claim as such. I didn't.

It makes sense ash didn't flip town, and you were agreeing with him... because you're aligned with him?

And you want everyone to claim whether they used Vigil ability because... it helps town? It helps your faction? Or helps your personal character arc?

I will say I didn't. But I won't say whether I could have or not.

So we're all on the same page, this is math's post after he's caught up, and he made a bunch more after that. This was way before gkrieg revealed his result.

[gkrieg13]

There are also a bunch of posts after I voted for mathdude and before I claimed my result on him.

[gkrieg13]

Oh that’s what MiX said…

[Dylan32]

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?

MiX, if your play and questions didn't sound like town genuinely trying to figure things out since you said trust me, this would make me very skeptical about you. Since you have sounded townier, it mainly makes me question your source's credibility/honesty/loyalty if it was something like a QT with another player rather than mod-revealed info through a power. And if that's the case, I'm not sure keeping the source hidden is pro-town. Not telling you what to do, but just my thoughts.

[mathdude]

And I'm not sure ash would out himself as a 3rd party in your QT. Wasn't he all about exiling confirmed third parties in S1?

FOUND IT (emphasis mine):

Survivor won with mafia, as foretold.

Always, always, always exile claimed 3rd party immediately.

So, tell me again, how ash claimed 3rd party to you?

There was some preliminary talk of game setup, comparison to round 1, then getting into admiral and president roles.

But relating to the 3rd party claim...
He started by expressing interest into the cylon/human species stuff, and I shared that I had some kind of investigative role but didn't know what it did. He then said he needed to figure out who his partner/s was, to be able to connect and coordinate votes to get an extra vote. All he knew was that the other/s was Cylon, and that when he is targeted by a partner, he would be informed. But he wanted to figure out who they might be and signal in game.

Towards the end of D1, I questioned whether he was 3P (since earlier he had denied being scum), and he said yes. He said he had to connect with the partner and outlast a few characters to win, but wouldn't tell me the names of who he had to survive past... I assume they would be flavour-wise strongly against extremists? As far as I know, that extra vote was the only thing available to him to help, though either he or his faction likely had more useful powers.

[MiX]

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

Alright: so in the end, it's not the same power as gkrieg's. But it is similar in outcome?

MiX, if your play and questions didn't sound like town genuinely trying to figure things out since you said trust me, this would make me very skeptical about you. Since you have sounded townier, it mainly makes me question your source's credibility/honesty/loyalty if it was something like a QT with another player rather than mod-revealed info through a power. And if that's the case, I'm not sure keeping the source hidden is pro-town. Not telling you what to do, but just my thoughts.

My intel was wrong. Lol.

I will most likely expand on this D3.

[mathdude]

I suggest trusting me right now.

The fact that you can verify my role gives me a little more confidence.

I do want to be clear though that my role does not tell me I would find out if they are Cylon or not. It doesn't even give me that.

You want MiX to trust you, but you are still holding back part of your role, apparently. What is the relevance of you trusting him?

I'm not holding back anything. I've shared all I know about my role.

Do you guys like all asking the same question? Do you want me to just keep saying the same thing over and over? If I change 1 word in my 4th time answering the same question, does that lead to "his story isn't the same.. he's scum!"??

Or do people just not read everything before posting a question that has been answered multiple times? I get that it's an odd answer. But I can't make this stuff up.

[MiX]

Math, why did you not out your QT with ash SoD2?

Math, what's your power related to XOs?

You haven't answered the second question, and I pulled up some posts regarding the first question, so, can you clarify what happened SoD2, from your perspective?

[Swowl]

Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?

[MiX]

Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?

From what I understand, if math's telling the truth, all of the cylon extremists are separated like this, and they need to find each other. That's my theory right now.

[scolapasta]

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

[Swowl]

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.

[Dylan32]

Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?

From what I understand, if math's telling the truth, all of the cylon extremists are separated like this, and they need to find each other. That's my theory right now.

Possibly, although a traitor that has their own thing going on until recruited could make some sense too. Although usually targeting a traitor with the nk is how you recruit them, so if scum shot ash, I would have expected a traitor to be recruited, not killed. Unless it was less of a recruit and more of an "activate," which would sound similar to something from season 1.

If the extremists are separated and need to signal each other but each can move the cylons vote independently, maybe one or more of the votes were meant to indicate "I, the person that just got voted for randomly" am one of you. Didn't someone completely random, like swowl, get that vote on them at one point today?

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[Dylan32]

One of the weirdest parts of this is Ash just claiming all of that to you. That seems like the least Ash thing ever. Not saying he didn't or that you're lying, mathdude, but I just feel like there has to be a reason he would have trusted you with all that info, and in any case I don't see 3rd party Ash trusting town with that...

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.

Did Ash do anything like claiming all that stuff at any point in season one in that QT, but especially D1, if you can talk about it?

[MiX]

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.

What were your character's flavors? What was the posting restriction?

Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?

From what I understand, if math's telling the truth, all of the cylon extremists are separated like this, and they need to find each other. That's my theory right now.

Possibly, although a traitor that has their own thing going on until recruited could make some sense too. Although usually targeting a traitor with the nk is how you recruit them, so if scum shot ash, I would have expected a traitor to be recruited, not killed. Unless it was less of a recruit and more of an "activate," which would sound similar to something from season 1.

If the extremists are separated and need to signal each other but each can move the cylons vote independently, maybe one or more of the votes were meant to indicate "I, the person that just got voted for randomly" am one of you. Didn't someone completely random, like swowl, get that vote on them at one point today?

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That's a good theory. But why listen to what I have to say then? As a smokescreen?

[mathdude]

Math, why didn't you claim the QT thing SoD2?

Same reason I didn't claim result on Jack SOD2... the moment I logged in, I was under fire from gkrieg's result on me, which we finally now are fairly certain only detects species. If I claimed result on Jack right away, it would probably have put me more under fire (and cop result of unknown value i would rather have waited another day or two to claim to try and figure it out).

So also if i mentioned a connection to ash right after it was said I'm a Cylon... I just didn't want to raise more alarms. I was hoping the result on me would blow over when it would be seen that it's likely just detecting species. In hindsight, maybe I should have shared this ash QT right away (I don't regret holding onto the Jack result... that was the right move).

This is not true.

Wow, lots going on. First thoughts...

Dual alignment seems weird. Ash being the only death at night, being non-town, likely means it's not his faction who killed him. So either Vig or other scum-type group. Ash's alignment does seem scummy though, but they didn't kill. Do they not have a kill or was a doctor, RB, or something else effective?

There's a lot to respond to. I will try to get to some of it tonight. I'll be fully caught up tomorrow.

Vote: mathdude

Your first post was before gkrieg's first post.

Ok  you're right. Apparently my memory isn't as good from 7 days ago. My first post there was a quick check-in... I hadn't read everything carefully yet. I'd consider my first post the next morning as my first real post of the day.

But as you and gkrieg have both pointed out, I apparently want immediately "under the gun" - I just had his vote on me at first. Still, it was fairly early that he posted the result, and I wasn't planning to post my "cop" result until I knew more.

As for not revealing ash neighbour thing... I just didn't.  I was interested in figuring out the vote from Cylons the day before, based on what I knew, but then their vote started going weird, and I was defending myself against a useless "cop" result, and MiX was showing interest in the votes and I was just too busy to get back to the Cylon votes. I'm still hoping to look into them more N2 now and into tomorrow, if MiX lets me live another day.

[mathdude]

Math, why did you not out your QT with ash SoD2?

Math, what's your power related to XOs?

You haven't answered the second question, and I pulled up some posts regarding the first question, so, can you clarify what happened SoD2, from your perspective?

I don't think it's helpful to share my XO power with you... whether I stay alive or not. I've shared a few hints, but I won't share any more. You already seem to have a lot of power... your PRs and the presidency role. I sure hope you're town, but if you're not, I don't want you to know (also, if you're not town, I think this is all pointless banter, as you've already decided to let me die then... and you're just using it to try to get more info for yourself).

[MiX]

Math, why did you not out your QT with ash SoD2?

Math, what's your power related to XOs?

You haven't answered the second question, and I pulled up some posts regarding the first question, so, can you clarify what happened SoD2, from your perspective?

I don't think it's helpful to share my XO power with you... whether I stay alive or not. I've shared a few hints, but I won't share any more. You already seem to have a lot of power... your PRs and the presidency role. I sure hope you're town, but if you're not, I don't want you to know (also, if you're not town, I think this is all pointless banter, as you've already decided to let me die then... and you're just using it to try to get more info for yourself).

What's the point of keeping your power hidden to the grave?

[mathdude]

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

I don't know. I received a link to it at the start of D1.

Maybe that was his 1-shot or 2-shot power? No idea.

[MiX]

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

I don't know. I received a link to it at the start of D1.

Maybe that was his 1-shot or 2-shot power? No idea.

It's most likely his passive. I think that's how the viper QT was handled.

[mathdude]

Math, why did you not out your QT with ash SoD2?

Math, what's your power related to XOs?

You haven't answered the second question, and I pulled up some posts regarding the first question, so, can you clarify what happened SoD2, from your perspective?

I don't think it's helpful to share my XO power with you... whether I stay alive or not. I've shared a few hints, but I won't share any more. You already seem to have a lot of power... your PRs and the presidency role. I sure hope you're town, but if you're not, I don't want you to know (also, if you're not town, I think this is all pointless banter, as you've already decided to let me die then... and you're just using it to try to get more info for yourself).

What's the point of keeping your power hidden to the grave?

Obviously I'm having a hard time coming up with a fake claim for it!

LOL just kidding.

I have no idea if you're keeping me alive or not. If you do keep me and you're scum (a combination I think is unlikely), then that gives you too much power. I'd rather you never know the details. If you do keep me around, I'll probably ask opinions publicly before I use it.

[scolapasta]

One of the weirdest parts of this is Ash just claiming all of that to you. That seems like the least Ash thing ever. Not saying he didn't or that you're lying, mathdude, but I just feel like there has to be a reason he would have trusted you with all that info, and in any case I don't see 3rd party Ash trusting town with that...

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.

Did Ash do anything like claiming all that stuff at any point in season one in that QT, but especially D1, if you can talk about it?

Swowl, did you switch characters?

I wonder then if ash (as chief) always has a QT with some version of number 8. (you were Boomer S1, no?)

[MiX]

Alright, thanks for answering that.

I'm done questioning math. I think he's answered everything that he can. If anyone wants to say if they want math alive or dead, feel free to do so.

Math's claim so far:

- D1 had a QT with ash, where ash revealed he could control the vote.
- Because of this, math was interested in the cylon vote D1, but it was too chaotic for him to catch onto it before the day ended.
- EoD1, ash claimed to be a third-party.
- N1, ash claimed to need to find a partner.
- math has a mysterious investigative power that he used on Jack and got "cylon".
- D2, math did not tell us about his QT with ash, or his power
- Then, when math would've done so, he was under attack by gkrieg's claim, and sought to defend himself.
- This lead to math claiming his power, which he thought was similar, and to not claim his QT with ash, as it would incriminate him.
- He also has a 1-shot power about XOs, which he claimed in twylight, and hasn't given further details.

Is this all correct, math?

Everyone else: do you find a contradiction here? Something I've missed, or something that doesn't make sense given some post math made?

[mathdude]

That all sounds right... I'm not exactly sure whether you've got exact timing right on a few things, but it sounds accurate in a quick read.

Family time for a bit, then putting kids to bed. I will try to pop back in a time or two over the next couple hours if any further clarifications, but I likely won't be able to spend as much time as the last couple hours.

[Swowl]

Makes Ash sound at least potentially like a traitor yeah?

From what I understand, if math's telling the truth, all of the cylon extremists are separated like this, and they need to find each other. That's my theory right now.

Possibly, although a traitor that has their own thing going on until recruited could make some sense too. Although usually targeting a traitor with the nk is how you recruit them, so if scum shot ash, I would have expected a traitor to be recruited, not killed. Unless it was less of a recruit and more of an "activate," which would sound similar to something from season 1.

If the extremists are separated and need to signal each other but each can move the cylons vote independently, maybe one or more of the votes were meant to indicate "I, the person that just got voted for randomly" am one of you. Didn't someone completely random, like swowl, get that vote on them at one point today?

ppe 2

I was voted for at the request of MiX, yes.

[Swowl]

One of the weirdest parts of this is Ash just claiming all of that to you. That seems like the least Ash thing ever. Not saying he didn't or that you're lying, mathdude, but I just feel like there has to be a reason he would have trusted you with all that info, and in any case I don't see 3rd party Ash trusting town with that...

Why would you even have a QT with ash on the first place?

I was gonna point this out before - that last game I also had a perma QT for the game with Ash and neither of us really knew why (flavor best guess). There were even posting restrictions regarding it. Maybe it is something he carries game to game with the char he has.

Did Ash do anything like claiming all that stuff at any point in season one in that QT, but especially D1, if you can talk about it?

Swowl, did you switch characters?

I wonder then if ash (as chief) always has a QT with some version of number 8. (you were Boomer S1, no?)

I was boomer season 1 yes.

[MiX]

I was voted for at the request of MiX, yes.

I think Dylan means in D1. Can you confirm that Dylan?

[Swowl]

I was voted for at the request of MiX, yes.

I think Dylan means in D1. Can you confirm that Dylan?

Also i don’t think they voted me day 1?

[Dylan32]

I was voted for at the request of MiX, yes.

I think Dylan means in D1. Can you confirm that Dylan?

Also i don’t think they voted me day 1?

No, I meant D2. Couldn't remember who all the cylons voted for and who it was that MiX requested the vote on, so if that was in response to MiX specifically asking for Swowl to be voted, then that probably isn't what that was. I just had the thought and threw it out there, but I was just too lazy to go look it up in twilight.

[WestCoastDidds]

Did the cylons vote for Swowl? I missed it if so, because I thought it was funny that they didn’t obey MiX. At least not in his specified window of time.

[mathdude]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

mathdude (7): scolapasta, LaLight, Jack Rudd, Swowl, MiX, Dylan32, gkrieg13
Jack Rudd (4): Glooble, mathdude, WestCoastDidds, 2.71828.....
EFHW (1): Cylons
scolapasta (1): EFHW

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it took 7 to exile. Twilight ends in about 7.5 hours.

About 15 minutes left? Don't make a mistake, MiX. If we have two cops for species, there must be a good reason. And if gkrieg is species and I'm alignment, that's even worse to let me die.

[MiX]

Wait I missed that vote count LOL.

GG math.

[EFHW]

I also have a single shot power that relates to the Executive Order deck - somewhat similar to what Jack claimed, but not exactly the same. I don't fully trust MiX (which is a bit concerning since he's the only one that can save me now), so I won't provide full details about it.

[EFHW]

FWIW, I think math is most likely town.

[MiX]

FWIW, I think math is most likely town.

FWIW I don't. If ash set him up, good job, but his actions do not match his information.

[faust]

The accusations flew quickly after the plans of the Number Ones had been revealed. You cannot say that you are comfortable with this. Yes, the humans went after a group with arguably harmful intentions, but their logic is not sound. They swung the right way on this issue, but you are not ready to entrust your own safety to the flawed justice they deal out, simply because for once it happened to land on somebody deserving.

mathdude has been sent to the brig! They were Hermes, and they were Cylon Extremist-aligned. They had the following powers:

• passive, manipulative, miscellaneous
• 1-shot, Day, investigative, miscellaneous
• investigative

Night 2 begins now and lasts at least 48 hours. Night actions are due by July 09, 2021, 02:30:00 pm.

There is no executive order currently in effect.

THREAD LOCKED!

[faust]

The struggles continue as the people of Caprica remain divided. Maybe they need an objective, a common goal that would bring everyone together? Some people look to religion as a unifying force, but you are sceptical. The beliefs that you hold are very different, and focusing on them might cause more division instead.

2.71828..... has been incapacitated!  They were Billy Keikeya, and they were Town-aligned. They had the following powers:

• investigative
• 1-shot, blocking

The following card is shuffled into the executive order deck:

Course to Kobol
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.

The signs are by now hard to ignore: Someone must have snuck out of the safe zone under the cover of Night. Now spots cover their skin, and parts of their hair have gone.

scolapasta has ended a second Night with Radiation poisoning. If they do not receive treatment by the end of the next Night, they will die.

Day 3 begins! Thread unlocked!

MiX is the President of the Colonies.
WestCoastDidds is the Admiral of the Fleet.

Executive order deck: 1 in deck, 6 in discard, 3 drawn

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (11): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am.

[EFHW]

Thanks MiX!

[MiX]

Boom bye scum. Oh wait I can't use that reference here.

Reading math correctly 4/4, although in all of them either I hedged or already knew their alignment lol.

I reread the game and was going to start by pushing e...lol

Scola, why didn't you tell LL to target you?.

[MiX]

Now, a game relevant post.

Math was clearly against us. He lied all of D2, and not even in twilight did he reveal his alignment or control of the vote. I would thus be really surprised if he's the last cylon extremist.

It's clear that math was the one controlling the vote though: he voted gkrieg with it. And although he had an investigative power, he just lied about it completely. I would then be surprised if math wanted to kill anyone in particular, as it seems clear he was simply claiming and pushing and voting all for self-preservation.

All this talk is kinda useless though, since we have a greater enemy: scum. And I think it's possible for both factions to unite. So, here's my plan:

If you are a cylon-extremist, claim. We have gkrieg. We will find you. And if get caught the hard way...there won 't be any reason for us to spare you. Join us, on the other hand, and we'll avenge ash for you.

As for town, I would suggest putting all of our efforts catching scum. How do we do that? I'm not sure. But between that and hunting math's partner, the former is better.

[LaLight]

course to Kobol! exciting!

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX! Did you do the dance of catching scum??

Sadz for e.

LL can you help Scola?? Scola any idea how you got poisoned?

Hmmmm…..

The cylons still have a vote do there has to be one more.

[MiX]

MiX! Did you do the dance of catching scum??

No, I didn't. I kinda forgot. Seeing the flip felt nice though.

[LaLight]

MiX! Did you do the dance of catching scum??

Sadz for e.

LL can you help Scola?? Scola any idea how you got poisoned?

Hmmmm…..

The cylons still have a vote do there has to be one more.

i sure can if no roleblocks, bus-drives or other shenanigans will happen. i also trust scola enough to help

[LaLight]

bad thing is that this wagon on math doesn't immediately clean everyone of suspicion, including gkrieg. but i start to think mix has to be town

[LaLight]

but only if he chooses course to Kobol!!

[MiX]

but only if he chooses course to Kobol!!

Alright, I'll do that then.

Let it be known that I was indecisive. That should tell something to Didds. But I'll trust LL.

[LaLight]

fun!

[MiX]

fun!

Great, I'm already slowly regretting my decision.

Let it be known that I don't think this was the pro-town XO. And it definitely was not the pro-me one. But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?

[LaLight]

But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?

wise words from a wise person.

how do you know it's not pro town/you if we don't know what it does?

[LaLight]

fun!

Great, I'm already slowly regretting my decision.

Let it be known that I don't think this was the pro-town XO. And it definitely was not the pro-me one. But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?

you already had a pro-you, let us all have fun!

[MiX]

But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?

wise words from a wise person.

how do you know it's not pro town/you if we don't know what it does?

I have a feeling that this hurts cylon extremists and helps scum more than it helps town, Completely unfounded, but still. I was gonna do some flavor research but I felt like it wouldn't actually help.

fun!

Great, I'm already slowly regretting my decision.

Let it be known that I don't think this was the pro-town XO. And it definitely was not the pro-me one. But what's life without taking risks and trusting others?

you already had a pro-you, let us all have fun!

But I didn't exert my powers! I want mooooooooooore

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m shocked! Shocked I say!

[WestCoastDidds]

I would have lost lost if I had made a bet this round. I’d have thought pro-you was the call.

[MiX]

I would have lost lost if I had made a bet this round. I’d have thought pro-you was the call.

I was extremely tempted. I even had a plan to convince everyone, including myself, that it was the better order.

Now I kinda want to know what you ditched, lol. There's an argument for being pro-town to give me a non-decision, that way you make the decisions yourself.

Oh cool that means I have a reason to townread you now.

[WestCoastDidds]

I have definitely been trying to steer your decisions, but in ways that I think help town!MiX.

Is there a downside to telling your what I ditched? Ash didn’t so my inclination took is to not.

[Jack Rudd]

I don't particularly see a downside in revealing that.

[faust]

The following Executive Order has been enacted:

Course to Kobol
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.

We must find our ancient home. This is the mission the government set out.

Today, each player may post Volunteer in the game thread. The first military player as well as the first player other than them to do this will be temporarily removed from the game, and gain access to a shared QT.

[Dylan32]

Volunteer

Let's go to Kobol

[Dylan32]

So I posted first, thought later and realized there might have been some benefit to us choosing who would do it, but I just got excited about having a QT with someone and did it. My bad. For what it's worth, I'm the "other than them" person, not the military person.

[gkrieg13]

Hmmmm not happy about the immediate volunteering from Dylan.

Very glad that math was some kind of scum.

Anyone know what this XO may entail?

[Dylan32]

Hmmmm not happy about the immediate volunteering from Dylan.

Very glad that math was some kind of scum.

Anyone know what this XO may entail?

So I was thinking Course for Kobol was one of the modifications I voted for in between seasons that got added, but I just looked and it actually wasn't the winner of the player vote or the winners' vote, which means something else has happened to bring it into the game somehow.

[gkrieg13]

Also Jack may very well be scum still, just the other kind of scum.

[scolapasta]

I think my radiation poisoning was the reason it got added to the deck.

[LaLight]

volunteer!

[LaLight]

Hmmmm not happy about the immediate volunteering from Dylan.

Very glad that math was some kind of scum.

Anyone know what this XO may entail?

dylan is obv!town after claiming being a lover.

[LaLight]

i geel so happy about what's happening! maybe it's because i'm pretty happy irl but it seems so fun and I think that we are on a winning streak, having exile two non-towns.

[MiX]

i geel so happy about what's happening! maybe it's because i'm pretty happy irl but it seems so fun and I think that we are on a winning streak, having exile two non-towns.

Well, only one, let's not get too excited now.

We are in a...pretty good position though, yeah. There can't be so many people against town left, right?

[WestCoastDidds]

Does gkrieg have another result?!

[LaLight]

i geel so happy about what's happening! maybe it's because i'm pretty happy irl but it seems so fun and I think that we are on a winning streak, having exile two non-towns.

Well, only one, let's not get too excited now.

We are in a...pretty good position though, yeah. There can't be so many people against town left, right?

indeed

[LaLight]

Does gkrieg have another result?!

this is a good question

[gkrieg13]

Does gkrieg have another result?!

Nope. I could investigate until I found a Cylon and then I lost the power.

[MiX]

Does gkrieg have another result?!

Nope. I could investigate until I found a Cylon and then I lost the power.

That does suggest cylons are scum. Which is...true, essentially.

[Dylan32]

So in the event LL and I are about to disappear for a bit, I just want to throw out a few reads.

gkrieg gets townpoints for the result and flip of mathdude. Not conf!town since the scum team could have a particular interest in getting rid of cylon extremists, but at least was truthful, which is towny.

My town read on MiX is stronger this game than I've ever had before.

Didds seems somewhat towny.

I obviously think the D1 claim stuff makes Jack town rather than scum like others think, and a cylon extremist did try to frame him. WIFOM and all, but he's less likely to be non-town than someone who could be either scum or extremist.

Swowl has flown under the radar a bit more than I ever remember them doing. Like I don't remember a single interaction or thing that they were at the center of. Could be wrong/could have been while I was VLA for a few days, but it's notable in my mind. Possibly scum laying low.

Seeing the info today about radiation poisoning and the delayed death and public info about it, I'm inclined to believe LL is town, because that role makes sense to be in town's hands to me now.

[WestCoastDidds]

but only if he chooses course to Kobol!!

LL, how did you know that MiX could choose Kobol?

[WestCoastDidds]

Also, you’re joy makes me so happy!!

[Glooble]

Wait, if LaLight is the one who could save scola why did he just volunteer to be removed from the game? Isn't that bad?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hopefully he comes back during the might. Or maybe some else has an ability to cure radiation.

[faust]

Dylan32 and LaLight may no longer post here.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.1

Not Voting (9): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am.

[MiX]

Well. Off they go.

So, scola. You are going to die. Care to claim something? Yesterday's claims were pretty useful.

[Swowl]

Good job us.

Weekend. But here are some thoughts...

Thing Number 1:

Ash Abilities:
1-shot, Day, investigative, protective
passive, miscellaneous
2-shot, miscellaneous

Math Abilities:
passive, manipulative, miscellaneous
1-shot, Day, investigative, miscellaneous
investigative

1. They both had the 1 shot Day, Investigative, Misc ability. My current thought is their thing about randomly opening a QT together was BS and that was one of them finding the other one (i.e. the investigative was confirming a partner, and Misc was opening of the thread).
2. Whatever Math's investigative ability was either what they were trying to spin (unlikely), or something else we will never know about.
3. Math Passive/Manipulative/Misc pretty much 100% is the vote move.

All that being said, ya'll covered up my night research pretty much in the first 20 posts of the Day here - my conclusion was going to be if Cylons vote was still a thing then there had to be another Terrorist... but, as mentioned... yeah old news at this point.


Thing Number 2:

Kinda super wish that LL and Dylan would of waited before jumping on the removed from game wagon. Mainly just because it makes me suspicious, but also because like we didn't even get a chance to talk about anything regarding it.

[MiX]

They literally did not both have a 1-shot day investigative misc ability. I kinda don't want to read the rest of that post knowing that.

[Jack Rudd]

Interesting that e was brigged last night rather than gkrieg. Seems weird as a scum move, but what do I know?

[Swowl]

They literally did not both have a 1-shot day investigative misc ability. I kinda don't want to read the rest of that post knowing that.

Love that you picked the only part of the entire post out that literally doesn’t matter.
But hey #MiXThings

[MiX]

Okay I've actually read Swowl's post and I disagree with something. I don't think it's pro-town to point it out though.

[WestCoastDidds]

Uhm, okay…. So, major stall.

I don’t see that Swowl is saying much worth noting (sorry!) mostly because his final conclusions are ones that we’d already gotten to.

It is a bummer that LL and Dylan just signed up and shipped off. LL is still a pretty big scum read for me, and if he is the last cylon he’s protected himself. I wonder if he’s on Kobol, if he is the last cylon, can he still control the vote??

I’m also casting some side eye at EFHW who was anti-eliminate cylons, but that’s just in the hopper with some other swirling ideas right now.

[EFHW]

Uhm, okay…. So, major stall.

I don’t see that Swowl is saying much worth noting (sorry!) mostly because his final conclusions are ones that we’d already gotten to.

It is a bummer that LL and Dylan just signed up and shipped off. LL is still a pretty big scum read for me, and if he is the last cylon he’s protected himself. I wonder if he’s on Kobol, if he is the last cylon, can he still control the vote??

I’m also casting some side eye at EFHW who was anti-eliminate cylons, but that’s just in the hopper with some other swirling ideas right now.

I wonder if LL and Dylan had Kobol as their individual wincons.

I'm anti-eliminate Cylons because I am a town-aligned Cylon (we think). But maybe I'm an anomaly and need to be more open to having being a Cylon = some scumpoints.

[WestCoastDidds]

EFHW, do you know if you’re a cylon this game?

Interesting point about the quickness to go to Kobol. That also explains why LL was pressuring MiX to choose it, while I’m still confused now LL knew that it was available to MiX.

[gkrieg13]

It is probably not worth talking about LaLight and Dylan and whether them going is scummy or not. Better to discuss it when they get back so that they can’t plan what to say beforehand.

[gkrieg13]

Interesting that e was brigged last night rather than gkrieg. Seems weird as a scum move, but what do I know?

E was very active. It makes sense to me. It’s also possible that there are non-Cylon scum, so they weren’t really worried about me.

[EFHW]

EFHW, do you know if you’re a cylon this game?

Interesting point about the quickness to go to Kobol. That also explains why LL was pressuring MiX to choose it, while I’m still confused now LL knew that it was available to MiX.

We were told it was being added to the deck. I think that was the turning point for scola surviving 2 nights with radiation poisoning.

I have no info about my species. I've been spending too much time trying to fill out that table of roles and I realized we still have very little info about our species.

[Swowl]

MiX - why are you so confident that GK is Town?

[MiX]

MiX - why are you so confident that GK is Town?

Just that right now he's been completely truthful, which makes this power very townie. It's very possible that the cylon extremists are the closest thing this game has to a scum team (and there's like a SK or something), and if so he's basically confirmed town.

[MiX]

Prod: scolapasta

I would really like to know why he has radiation poisoning, and why he didn't mention it. I think that would be a good start to this slow day.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Jack

I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.

[scolapasta]

Quit with the prodding! (though I get it)

I have radiation poisoning because I performed an action on N1 that exposed me. Not sure it benefits town or me yet to say what the action was, short of, in order to do a better more useful thing, I needed to go out into the irradiated zone first.

Not mentioning it was just misunderstanding that two nights meant the night I went out and the next night, not the next two nights. I planned on asking LL today to cure me.

I do find it weird that he so quickly offered to help me, then volunteered and went away, where we don't know if he'll be back in time to cure me. Worried it's a convenient way to dodge responsibility when I die, having gotten the credit for trying to save me.

[scolapasta]

Ah, just realized - that LL and Dylan seem out for at least the rest of the day! (since they don't show up in the vote count). I had hoped their time away would just last part of the day. So now, like I said, my big concern is if they'll be back for Night.

Trying to figure out if it makes sense to claim more. But it's early, so I still have some time to think about it.

[MiX]

I see it like this: you're going to die. So...why not claim?

[gkrieg13]

vote: Jack

I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.

Further, it felt like math's frustration was more because he thought he was caught for the wrong reasons.

[MiX]

vote: Jack

I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.

Further, it felt like math's frustration was more because he thought he was caught for the wrong reasons.

If math actually saw Jack as a cylon, he would be the last person he would call a cylon.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Jack

I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.

Further, it felt like math's frustration was more because he thought he was caught for the wrong reasons.

If math actually saw Jack as a cylon, he would be the last person he would call a cylon.

It's possible that the red scum are also Cylons, and that math was trying to get towncred by outing a Cylon from the other team.

[MiX]

vote: Jack

I think math may have actually investigated Jack and gotten Cylon. The way he was playing and trying to convince us to exile Jack first makes me think Jack is likely scum.

Further, it felt like math's frustration was more because he thought he was caught for the wrong reasons.

If math actually saw Jack as a cylon, he would be the last person he would call a cylon.

It's possible that the red scum are also Cylons, and that math was trying to get towncred by outing a Cylon from the other team.

If he thought Jack was scum, he would've said his PR made him scum. If he's lying, might as well go all out.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.2

Jack Rudd (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (8): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, Swowl, Glooble, Cylons

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am.

[MiX]

It's possible that the red scum are also Cylons, and that math was trying to get towncred by outing a Cylon from the other team.

If he thought Jack was scum, he would've said his PR made him scum. If he's lying, might as well go all out.

Actually, we can go one step further: if he had reason to assume that his investigation looked at scum, and he saw jack as scum, that means he decided not to out his real result, which means cylon extremists are either working with scum, or scum themselves.

All in all, math's claim shouldn't be taken at face value.

Vote: scola for now. Everyone here looks townie, but I'm not looking deep enough.

[Swowl]

So, right now everyone speaking is talking about the perception of Math and the result vs no result and all that. I would like to flip the logic around a little bit - What if the Cylon Terrorists wanted another Cylon Faction dead, as well as this other cylon faction wants the Cylon Terrorist Faction Dead?

Similar to Town v Skum Team A v Skum Team B?

That kind of super complicates things in terms of who had what result from what Alignment during all the shit yesterday... but it has been bugging me and I want to get it out there.

[MiX]

The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.

[gkrieg13]

The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.

I get what you are saying, but the way math was presenting his result made it seem like Jack is likely scum. I think that we very likely have multiple scum teams, judging by the yellow color of the scum team so far.

Math actually had some of the abilities that he claimed. He had an investigative power, as well as a QT with ash. I think it makes sense that he had an actual result on Jack.

[gkrieg13]

Also how were ash and MiX picked as the president and admiral?

[MiX]

The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.

I get what you are saying, but the way math was presenting his result made it seem like Jack is likely scum. I think that we very likely have multiple scum teams, judging by the yellow color of the scum team so far.

Math actually had some of the abilities that he claimed. He had an investigative power, as well as a QT with ash. I think it makes sense that he had an actual result on Jack.

In what way would you say math's presentation of his result makes it legitimate? Can you show me an example?

Also how were ash and MiX picked as the president and admiral?

I started as president since I ended the other game as president.

[Jack Rudd]

Ashersky presumably had a fakeclaim of Helena Cain/William Adama/Saul Tigh that made him 1st in line for Admiral.

[WestCoastDidds]

I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.

[EFHW]

I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.

But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.

[EFHW]

gkrieg,  do you have any result from last night? Sorry if you already answered this.

[WestCoastDidds]

I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.

But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.

Well, if we had brigged Jack and he was green, Math would have cooked his own goose, so I think there is some chance it was a real result because if we had acted on it, there would have been implications. Of course making it all up is plausible, too.

[Swowl]

The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.

I get what you are saying, but the way math was presenting his result made it seem like Jack is likely scum. I think that we very likely have multiple scum teams, judging by the yellow color of the scum team so far.

Math actually had some of the abilities that he claimed. He had an investigative power, as well as a QT with ash. I think it makes sense that he had an actual result on Jack.

This is what I was getting at.
Like let's say you are Math and you are Skum Team A... and you have a result on Skum Team B player (Jack). That is literally a perfect situation (I mean aside from GK having a result on Math himself) ((which is also why GK is further down the town list for me potentially)).

But for real, both/either of these results could be Skum Team A having a result on Skum Team B. And if you were to assume that they are not working together, what would the reason be to not give that result. That is, as seen in this game, great town cred.

[MiX]

What if you do not have a result.

[Swowl]

I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.

But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.

Well, if we had brigged Jack and he was green, Math would have cooked his own goose, so I think there is some chance it was a real result because if we had acted on it, there would have been implications. Of course making it all up is plausible, too.

I mean in counter to my own argument... Math did a really good job of making sure to make his ability ambiguous. That could be because it was BS and they knew if Jack flipped it would be green and they needed something to fall back on.

[Swowl]

What if you do not have a result.

Think I just answered this in PPE

[Swowl]

I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.

But does math making the claim make Jack more likely to be scum than anyone else? Anyway, a Cylon extremist doesn't need a Cylon testing power, so much more likely he made the whole thing up.

OK fine. But also it is not just Jack. It is Jack and/or GK. That is my point.

[Swowl]

What if you do not have a result.

Also you are asking one person "what if they do not have a result" and the other "give me an example of how Math's result was real". Where are you at on that one. I wanna say I have been reading you as believing that Math had no result, but this is confusing.

[WestCoastDidds]

The accusations flew quickly after the plans of the Number Ones had been revealed. You cannot say that you are comfortable with this. Yes, the humans went after a group with arguably harmful intentions, but their logic is not sound. They swung the right way on this issue, but you are not ready to entrust your own safety to the flawed justice they deal out, simply because for once it happened to land on somebody deserving.

mathdude has been sent to the brig! They were Hermes, and they were Cylon Extremist-aligned. They had the following powers:

• passive, manipulative, miscellaneous
• 1-shot, Day, investigative, miscellaneous
• investigative

Well, he did have an investigative abilities so, we’re not talking about zero chance he had a result.

[Jack Rudd]

Although we don't actually know if he used his power, or whether he used it on me. (And whatever he did, once a bandwagon starts forming on him, he's going to try to direct people to the other bandwagon if he can.)

[MiX]

What if you do not have a result.

Also you are asking one person "what if they do not have a result" and the other "give me an example of how Math's result was real". Where are you at on that one. I wanna say I have been reading you as believing that Math had no result, but this is confusing.

I don't think math's investigative ability caught scum. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though.

[Swowl]

I don't think math's investigative ability caught scum. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though.

Although we don't actually know if he used his power, or whether he used it on me. (And whatever he did, once a bandwagon starts forming on him, he's going to try to direct people to the other bandwagon if he can.)

I feel like my point is being missed here. Let me clarify...

Vote: Gkrieg

In regards to Math:
1. They are flipped Cylon Extremist Yellow People.
2. They had an investigative role we know nothing about. Could be Jack is skum from it, could be a complete lie. Who the hell knows right? Ok... That leaves us with the following options:
   2a) Math had an ability to cop other skum, was not lying - I find this unlikely given their huge hedge on not knowing if it was alignment vs town. I do agree with mix here in regards to the whole "if they had a skum result they would go all out", because the only reason for them to hedge would be to set up a defense for the next day when they knew if they got their way that Jack would pretty much have to flip Town.
   2b) Math had an ability to cop other skum, they were lying (meaning Jack is Town) - I find this more likely then 2a).
   2c) Math was full of shit. Couldn't do any of that. - yep. totally could be a thing. Honestly, probably tied for most likely.

Aight, then we got GK:
1. Open with the result/vote for Math.
2. Doesn't know exactly what it means. Honestly that part doesn't matter... Town or skum they end up on Math either way there I think.
3. Math flips Cylon Yellow People.
4. GK opens today saying Math could of had a real result on a different skum team and votes for Jack.

Ok then take that, rabbit hole it with me for a sec...

The only reason GK was towny at first was prior to the thought of there being multiple skum teams (which I get we don't actually know is a thing, but still)... If we factor it in, the way GK is playing is like, at least for me, is crazy suspicious.
Town cop outs the result absolute start of Day 1 (not copping mind you, unsure of what it means).
Then the exile goes off on the person that they copped, and they open the next day with the assumption that "the other bad guys" got caught and start pushing a wagon on Jack.
What happens when we flip Jack? Either they are Town ... or what? GK is town, caught Skum A, and skum A actually caught Skum B that same night??
Or, more likely IMO... GK is potentially skum. They were the one that copped other skum. They use that info in order to further pursue lynches that they can back themselves out of. Keeping in mind ofc, if we were to exile Jack and they did not flip skum, we would have nothing to hold against GK in all of this.

[Swowl]

gkrieg,  do you have any result from last night? Sorry if you already answered this.

Does gkrieg have another result?!

Nope. I could investigate until I found a Cylon and then I lost the power.

[MiX]

Swowl, didn't you yourself push the "Jack could be scum" theory? And Didds agreed? Unless you're all scum, there's town that believes in the idea. And the idea itself isn't very scummy. So why is putting that thought down scummy?

[Swowl]

Swowl, didn't you yourself push the "Jack could be scum" theory? And Didds agreed? Unless you're all scum, there's town that believes in the idea. And the idea itself isn't very scummy. So why is putting that thought down scummy?

1. I did at first. Thought about it, ended thinking Math was skum. Honestly, if they never started talking about their QT with Ash IDK which way I would of gone. Everything I am saying now is post-knowledge.

2. No clue about WCD, do not remember.

3. The idea itself is potentially skummy. Using it to push a wagon, is potentially extremely skummy.

[Swowl]

ah. referenceing the "thinking Jack is skum" bit... I think you were talking about this.
As is made clear by the bolded wording, my point here was that GK is a better option than Jack

The Cylon-Extremists wanting a cylon faction dead? No. Now, a scum team that also happens to have cylons being at war with the cylon-extremists, that makes more sense. I just don't see the point in math's claim if he wanted someone in particular to die.

I get what you are saying, but the way math was presenting his result made it seem like Jack is likely scum. I think that we very likely have multiple scum teams, judging by the yellow color of the scum team so far.

Math actually had some of the abilities that he claimed. He had an investigative power, as well as a QT with ash. I think it makes sense that he had an actual result on Jack.

This is what I was getting at.
Like let's say you are Math and you are Skum Team A... and you have a result on Skum Team B player (Jack). That is literally a perfect situation (I mean aside from GK having a result on Math himself) ((which is also why GK is further down the town list for me potentially)).

But for real, both/either of these results could be Skum Team A having a result on Skum Team B. And if you were to assume that they are not working together, what would the reason be to not give that result. That is, as seen in this game, great town cred.

[MiX]

I meant today, Swowl.

[WestCoastDidds]

Although we don't actually know if he used his power, or whether he used it on me. (And whatever he did, once a bandwagon starts forming on him, he's going to try to direct people to the other bandwagon if he can.)

Yes, of course. But if he did, and he was using it for town cred, that is useful for us.

[WestCoastDidds]

Swowl, didn't you yourself push the "Jack could be scum" theory? And Didds agreed? Unless you're all scum, there's town that believes in the idea. And the idea itself isn't very scummy. So why is putting that thought down scummy?

My thinking came from gkrieg’s couple of posts about it, then your response to him saying it didn’t seem plausible and EFHW saying it seemed unlikely, and so I did some thinking about it and decided it wasn’t that much of a stretch. In all fairness, I’m not sold on the idea (my biggest scumread is LL). I just don’t think it’s that much of a stretch.

I am having a hard time following Swowl down his rabbit hole….which is unusual in and of itself because we usually use words in very similar ways.

[WestCoastDidds]

But also, it would be nice to see Jack acquit himself.

[gkrieg13]

You really think my scum strategy is to say I’m a cop D2 completely unprompted and force an exile on my target for some very small town points instead of just letting the day play out normally?

I can agree that my case on Jack isn’t great. I just haven’t seen a better direction to go yet.

[WestCoastDidds]

Here’s the question….is Swowl just working things out, or is it scummy?

[EFHW]

What if you do not have a result.

Also you are asking one person "what if they do not have a result" and the other "give me an example of how Math's result was real". Where are you at on that one. I wanna say I have been reading you as believing that Math had no result, but this is confusing.

I don't think math's investigative ability caught scum. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though.

Wouldn't he have come forward like gkrieg did, excited he found scum?

[EFHW]

Here’s the question….is Swowl just working things out, or is it scummy?

I feel like you are trying to make Swowl look scummy, as opposed to really thinking he is scummy.

vote: Didds

[MiX]

What if you do not have a result.

Also you are asking one person "what if they do not have a result" and the other "give me an example of how Math's result was real". Where are you at on that one. I wanna say I have been reading you as believing that Math had no result, but this is confusing.

I don't think math's investigative ability caught scum. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise though.

Wouldn't he have come forward like gkrieg did, excited he found scum?

Yes.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.3

Jack Rudd (1): gkrieg13
scolapasta (1): MiX
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
WestCoastDidds (1): EFHW

Not Voting (5): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, Glooble, Cylons

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am.

[WestCoastDidds]

Here’s the question….is Swowl just working things out, or is it scummy?

I feel like you are trying to make Swowl look scummy, as opposed to really thinking he is scummy.

vote: Didds

No, I am just having a hard time following him.  I think LL is scummy. That is who I want to vote for. If they come back, I will.

[Glooble]

I feel powerful.

vote: Jack Rudd

[Glooble]

I'm also kind of interested in the fact that Cylons aren't voting right now.

[gkrieg13]

I feel powerful.

vote: Jack Rudd

Is this meant to be mysterious?

[Glooble]

I feel powerful.

vote: Jack Rudd

Is this meant to be mysterious?

Nah, it was just referring to the fact that no one had more than one vote on them, so I felt like I had the power to start a wagon.

y'know?

[WestCoastDidds]

Glooble! Good to see you!

Why Jack?

[Jack Rudd]

Maybe Cylons only start voting once enough people have started voting.

Vote: scolapasta, if only because he's been the least active this day.

[Glooble]

Glooble! Good to see you!

Why Jack?

It's half "something has been feeling off about him" and half "I don't think scum!math fake-claims a cop result on a random player to save himself". We almost certainly have a scum faction other than Cylon extremists and the narrative where mathdude had suspicions that Jack belonged to that faction makes more sense with what I know about mathdude than him picking a target at random.

Of course what trips me up there is how hedgy he was about Jack- if he knew he would have claimed his cop ability was alignment specifically.

Does that make sense?

[Jack Rudd]

It doesn't seem totally out there. But then, nothing at the moment seems totally out there - the structure of the setup is such that nobody knows quite what's going on.

If we could find out who NKed ashersky, I think we would know a lot more about the situation than we do now.

[scolapasta]

So some thoughts:

Gloobie, yesterday you were saying exiling you was pro-town. Is that still the case? Any reason why you haven't mentioned it at all today again?

Known (or suspected) Cylons are Dylan and EFHW.

I'm also curious about the Cylons vote - still unsure if it's controlled by the Extremists or Cylons more generally. But I still think we should continue looking at Cylons in general. I don't think all remaining Cylons are necessarily bad, but if there's another extremist they must be Cylon, no? Setup wise we've had 2 Extremists already, there's a decent chance of another.

My read currently is that (at least) one of Dylan or LaLight is scum. My vote is on Dylan as the 3rd Cylon Extremist maybe? Would explain the quick volunteering, maybe even hoping if there's a 4th that that person would join and then they'd have a QT to plan.

But of course we can't vote Dylan (or LL*). I don't want to vote gkrieg or Jack. And Mix seems fairly towny, not saving math (unless there is another team). That leaves EFHW, WCD, Swowl, and Gloobie.

* Can someone reiterate the case against LL?

If there is a town Cylon, my guess is that's EFHW.

So I'm planning on voting for Gloobie, Swowl, or WCD, pending Gloobie's answer above. (and if Dylan and LL still join us before the end of the day)

[Glooble]

It’s not that exiling me is pro-town exactly, but it’s better than exiling a random townie. I have an ability that triggers if I’m exiled. It’s kinda useful but not that useful. I don’t think it’s helpful for me to say more than that.

[EFHW]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

[MiX]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

Yes, they were all cylons.

[scolapasta]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.

[Swowl]

I'm also kind of interested in the fact that Cylons aren't voting right now.

I think we should not discuss this interesting fact for the time being.

[Swowl]

You really think my scum strategy is to say I’m a cop D2 completely unprompted and force an exile on my target for some very small town points instead of just letting the day play out normally?

I can agree that my case on Jack isn’t great. I just haven’t seen a better direction to go yet.

Your case on Jack is that flipped skum (Math) could of actually had an ability to check other skum and found them (Jack).
My case on you is that unknown player (GK) could be skum that had the ability to check other skum and found them (Math).

These are essentially the same thing.

Then, your defense is that you would not come out the way you did because small town cred and why do that. Fair. And this is where I admit that my case is also not the best.
However, this pretty much perfectly summarizes why I think you are more likely skum than Jack.

Wouldn't he have come forward like gkrieg did, excited he found scum?

Yes.

Because of the hedge that Math took on Jack, I think it is EXTREMELY unlikely that Jack was copped as skum.
As to why you would play it that way - No clue. However, it is also strange for you to play it that way as ANY alignment, so not a super valid argument.

So there is all that, and then the fact that you continue to defend your stance on Jack. I think from a Town POV you should of by now come around to the same thing I came around to, which is "Math would NOTTTT hedge like that if they actually had a result on Jack".

[Swowl]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.

What was your win con?

[Swowl]

Maybe Cylons only start voting once enough people have started voting.
*snip*

Day 1 Cylon first Vote count seen:
Vote Count 1.10
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (7): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble
No Exile (1): LaLight
Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, gkrieg13

That is 12/14 players.

Day 2 Cylon First Vote Count:
Vote Count 2.3
LaLight (1): MiX
MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (3): gkrieg13, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds
Jack Rudd (2): 2.71828....., mathdude
Dylan32 (1): scolapasta
gkrieg13 (1): Cylons
Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, Glooble

That is 8/12 players voting.

Given we had 4/8 voting at the most previous VC, and currently have 6/8 voting... I find that unlikely.

[MiX]

The D1 wagon is proof that math wanted to claim to control the cylon vote after his death. There's no way he would've done that unless he did control it. So, I think it's fine to say that the cylon vote will never move again.

[EFHW]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.

In the players list for that game, Jack is Leoban Conoy. I'll check the flip.

[WestCoastDidds]

Maybe Cylons only start voting once enough people have started voting.
*snip*

Day 1 Cylon first Vote count seen:
Vote Count 1.10
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (7): Jack Rudd, 2.71828....., EFHW, WestCoastDidds, scolapasta, mathdude, Cylons
LaLight (3): Swowl, MiX, Glooble
No Exile (1): LaLight
Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, gkrieg13

That is 12/14 players.

Day 2 Cylon First Vote Count:
Vote Count 2.3
LaLight (1): MiX
MiX (1): LaLight
mathdude (3): gkrieg13, Dylan32, WestCoastDidds
Jack Rudd (2): 2.71828....., mathdude
Dylan32 (1): scolapasta
gkrieg13 (1): Cylons
Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, Glooble

That is 8/12 players voting.

Given we had 4/8 voting at the most previous VC, and currently have 6/8 voting... I find that unlikely.

Do we need some sort of critical mass?

Vote: Jack

[scolapasta]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.

What was your win con?

Usual scum wincon - only Cylon-aligned left alive.

[scolapasta]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.

In the players list for that game, Jack is Leoban Conoy. I'll check the flip.

What flip?

I was only told my number, I assume the same was true for Dylan and Jack, and that Jack just used his BSG knowledge to provide more detail. But they can confirm.

(which seems different from this game, since mathdude was given both a number and a name and flipped with his name, not his number)

[scolapasta]

The D1 wagon is proof that math wanted to claim to control the cylon vote after his death. There's no way he would've done that unless he did control it. So, I think it's fine to say that the cylon vote will never move again.

I'm not sure i get the logic here.

[scolapasta]

I'm also kind of interested in the fact that Cylons aren't voting right now.

I think we should not discuss this interesting fact for the time being.

Why not? (and don't you proceed to discuss it a few posts down??)

[scolapasta]

It’s not that exiling me is pro-town exactly, but it’s better than exiling a random townie. I have an ability that triggers if I’m exiled. It’s kinda useful but not that useful. I don’t think it’s helpful for me to say more than that.

Gotcha. Have we considered no exile today? I'm not normally a fan, but with Dylan and LL of who knows where, it could at least be worth considering?

[gkrieg13]

You really think my scum strategy is to say I’m a cop D2 completely unprompted and force an exile on my target for some very small town points instead of just letting the day play out normally?

I can agree that my case on Jack isn’t great. I just haven’t seen a better direction to go yet.

Your case on Jack is that flipped skum (Math) could of actually had an ability to check other skum and found them (Jack).
My case on you is that unknown player (GK) could be skum that had the ability to check other skum and found them (Math).

These are essentially the same thing.

Then, your defense is that you would not come out the way you did because small town cred and why do that. Fair. And this is where I admit that my case is also not the best.
However, this pretty much perfectly summarizes why I think you are more likely skum than Jack.

Wouldn't he have come forward like gkrieg did, excited he found scum?

Yes.

Because of the hedge that Math took on Jack, I think it is EXTREMELY unlikely that Jack was copped as skum.
As to why you would play it that way - No clue. However, it is also strange for you to play it that way as ANY alignment, so not a super valid argument.

So there is all that, and then the fact that you continue to defend your stance on Jack. I think from a Town POV you should of by now come around to the same thing I came around to, which is "Math would NOTTTT hedge like that if they actually had a result on Jack".

I did not think that math hedged on Jack. I think that he said a few times that we should exile Jack first, to show that it wasn't an alignment check and then exile him, which now that I'm typing this, does seem to make it less likely that Jack is scum.

[gkrieg13]

unvote

[Swowl]

I'm also kind of interested in the fact that Cylons aren't voting right now.

I think we should not discuss this interesting fact for the time being.

Why not? (and don't you proceed to discuss it a few posts down??)

I do... but it was with the intention to stop the conversation.

Also, MiX's point about the vote not potentially moving anymore is interesting. My theory was different (not talking about it rn), but yeah, if it doesn't move again that one makes the most sense.

[WestCoastDidds]

If we could find out who NKed ashersky, I think we would know a lot more about the situation than we do now.

Ideas about how that can be accomplished?

[Jack Rudd]

If we could find out who NKed ashersky, I think we would know a lot more about the situation than we do now.

Ideas about how that can be accomplished?

That I do not, unless someone has a power they haven't told us about.

[EFHW]

Were all three scum Cylons in the last game? At least one of you had a human name.

All Cylons, all with numbers (according to what my partners told me) and fake claims.

In the players list for that game, Jack is Leoban Conoy. I'll check the flip.

What flip?

I was only told my number, I assume the same was true for Dylan and Jack, and that Jack just used his BSG knowledge to provide more detail. But they can confirm.

(which seems different from this game, since mathdude was given both a number and a name and flipped with his name, not his number)

Oh, right lol. Jack? Do you think you were human or Cylon? Are you the same character this time around?

[MiX]

Leoban Conoy is the name of a cylon. He's cylon-aligned. It would be very hard for Leoben to not be cylon.

Also, Jack swapped characters, to Ellen, I think?

[MiX]

The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.

My gut tells me scola is scum. Just purely mechanically, the radiation poisoning and the fact he didn't tell LL to pick him is pretty incriminating. It's unlikely, but it is possible that you need to be poisoned to do the faction kill. So I would really want to pressure scola into actually claiming things.

But I want to ask everyone instead: should scola claim his radiation action?

[Glooble]

No point in exiling scola if he’s gonna die anyway, right? What incentive does he have to claim?

[MiX]

No point in exiling scola if he’s gonna die anyway, right? What incentive does he have to claim?

Well, if he's town, it should help him to claim. If he's scum, he might have a way to protect himself.

[WestCoastDidds]

100% agree on the scummy scum LL and Dylan leaving deflated our day. When I was piddling around this afternoon I thought over no exile. I didn’t come to any good conclusions about that. I’m just feeling really sure that they are scum and most of us are not.

I had not thought much about Scola and the radiation poisoning, but that is interesting. I assume that if there is a town doc (but of don’t think LL is town…I need to keep working through that) that can cure it, there must be ways that town get poisoned.

[EFHW]

The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.

My gut tells me scola is scum. Just purely mechanically, the radiation poisoning and the fact he didn't tell LL to pick him is pretty incriminating. It's unlikely, but it is possible that you need to be poisoned to do the faction kill. So I would really want to pressure scola into actually claiming things.

But I want to ask everyone instead: should scola claim his radiation action?

I agree

[EFHW]

Leoban Conoy is the name of a cylon. He's cylon-aligned. It would be very hard for Leoben to not be cylon.

Also, Jack swapped characters, to Ellen, I think?

Thx

[Swowl]

The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.

wait wait wait wait wait. No clue how I missed this op before (this is a joke):
What ifffffff.... we all vote in italics for LL and/or Dylan and then Tomorrow when their timeline is active they are back, we can pursue that vote. Ha.

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: Swowl for the pain that was being on the other timeline

[Swowl]

totally fair vote

[Swowl]

The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.

My gut tells me scola is scum. Just purely mechanically, the radiation poisoning and the fact he didn't tell LL to pick him is pretty incriminating. It's unlikely, but it is possible that you need to be poisoned to do the faction kill. So I would really want to pressure scola into actually claiming things.

But I want to ask everyone instead: should scola claim his radiation action?

Also agree.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.4

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (2): MiX, Jack Rudd
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
WestCoastDidds (1): EFHW

Not Voting (3): scolapasta, Cylons, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am.

[MiX]

The natural flow of this day really has been cut by LL and Dylan leaving. I had things to discuss regarding them, but I can't anymore.

wait wait wait wait wait. No clue how I missed this op before (this is a joke):
What ifffffff.... we all vote in italics for LL and/or Dylan and then Tomorrow when their timeline is active they are back, we can pursue that vote. Ha.

As scum in that game I can confirm that strategy would've helped us quite a bit. But that's anecdotal.

[EFHW]

100% agree on the scummy scum LL and Dylan leaving deflated our day. When I was piddling around this afternoon I thought over no exile. I didn’t come to any good conclusions about that. I’m just feeling really sure that they are scum and most of us are not.

I had not thought much about Scola and the radiation poisoning, but that is interesting. I assume that if there is a town doc (but of don’t think LL is town…I need to keep working through that) that can cure it, there must be ways that town get poisoned.

Why do you think LL and Dylan are scum, other than their quick exits? It sounds like you actually believe LL is town.

[WestCoastDidds]

100% agree on the scummy scum LL and Dylan leaving deflated our day. When I was piddling around this afternoon I thought over no exile. I didn’t come to any good conclusions about that. I’m just feeling really sure that they are scum and most of us are not.

I had not thought much about Scola and the radiation poisoning, but that is interesting. I assume that if there is a town doc (but I don’t think LL is town…I need to keep working through that) that can cure it, there must be ways that town get poisoned.

Why do you think LL and Dylan are scum, other than their quick exits? It sounds like you actually believe LL is town.

I’m on my phone at work, so I’m just going to rattle these off without quotes….
I think LL is scummy because of how ash defended him D1, getting MiX to choose Kobol over the other XO, knowing that Kobol was a choice today (neither MiX nor I had said what XOs were discarded D2, and Jack only said D1 (I could wrong about that, but that is my sense), and his quick exit to Kobol without any discussion. If he had been town, he’d have been thinking about Scola needing a cure (the conversation a before he quickly volunteered).

[gkrieg13]

I still think it is of little use to talk about Dylan and LaLight.

[WestCoastDidds]

vote: gkreig

[WestCoastDidds]

I don't find shutting down discussion pro-town at all.

[EFHW]

I reread Didds and unvote.

LL knew about Kobol because we were told in the OP for the day.

@gkrieg, what do you want to talk about?

[MiX]

These are great wagons.

Jack's , scola's scum, gkrieg's town.

[gkrieg13]

I don't find shutting down discussion pro-town at all.

I'm shutting down a specific discussion, where we are talking about how two players who are not here right now. There are like zero upsides to talking about them while we cannot exile them and they can't talk to us.

[gkrieg13]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

Nightmare team!

Nightmare for us probably. I think it would be difficult and awkward for us to still interact in game. I do look forward to that challenge one game, hopefully soon. But it's not this one.

I don't think from their early interactions that MiX and math were partners.

[MiX]

I'm putting money down on mix and math being scum partners

Nightmare team!

Nightmare for us probably. I think it would be difficult and awkward for us to still interact in game. I do look forward to that challenge one game, hopefully soon. But it's not this one.

I don't think from their early interactions that MiX and math were partners.

I hope the fact I didn't save them makes it impossible for me and math to be of the same alignment.

[gkrieg13]

I'm torn at the moment. I keep wavering on whether I think LL is scum. I think the initial post about wincon and no exile seemed townie. But some of the responses since then... not so much.

Personally, I'd love to vote for someone not helping us today (i.e. someone not actually posting much), but that would require a full swing of votes in the final 7 hours. But worse than that, it gives us nothing useful in the future. There would be almost no discussion or for/against.

I guess this means I support an exile of LL, since they are being partially scummy and it gives us the most interactions going forward.

I didn't realize how much math was waffling on LaLight.

[gkrieg13]

I doubt there is another member of the Cylon extremists, so I guess looking at math's posts is not really that useful.

[gkrieg13]

Glooble and WCD have been on Jack Yesterday and Today. Does someone want to reiterate the case on Jack?

[gkrieg13]

e had an investigative role, but it doesn't look like he breadcrumbed anything at the beginning of D2.

[gkrieg13]

I agree with MiX that a true scum alignment exists.

Disagree that lalight belongs to said scum alignment

This is the only possible breadcrumb I see, but still

[gkrieg13]

Thinking back to EFHW's D1, I thought her tunneling of me for pretty flimsy reasons was scummy. I need to go reread her.

[gkrieg13]

I'm gonna vote: gkrieg. "I have to reread" is a scumtell for me, especially in the context of very few posts. And the shade on ash was both very hedgy and not helpful.

I don't really think Jack is scum. The claim was weird, but he really hangs back as scum. Has he even been town yet? It seems like he is always mafia.

I think LL is town, too. I would vote ADK. I have towny impressions of Dylan and MiX.

She has this reads post, but the rest of her posts are mainly just about game mechanics, or about consolidating votes.

[gkrieg13]

scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.

scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.

vote: scolapasta

I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?

Most of her D2 is just trying to get me to reveal more about my role, and then she has this reads post.

[gkrieg13]

Just realized deadline is tomorrow. I think Jack townslipped when he thought he wasn't a Cylon anymore. Scum would have a lot more information, and he was scum last time. The Cylons are voting for Swowl now, I see. Delayed reaction? Maybe the person controlling that vote wasn't on between MiX's request and the previous vc.

mathdude having the same power as gkrieg is an odd coincidence. But I find scola scummier. I'll check in tomorrow morning and see if my vote is needed.

EFHW, what are your feelings on scola now? You seemed to have a good reason to think they were scum Yesterday.

[WestCoastDidds]

Glooble and WCD have been on Jack Yesterday and Today. Does someone want to reiterate the case on Jack?

For me, it was maths result plus general evasion in his responses. He is not being obstructionist, but he’s not doing anything to move the game forward. At done point, that isn’t newb, it’s scummy. Plus, it’s exactly what he did in his previous scum games.

[scolapasta]

I doubt there is another member of the Cylon extremists, so I guess looking at math's posts is not really that useful.

Why do you doubt this? I can easily imagine 1 more (but not necessarily, it's just doubt seems too strong).

[scolapasta]

(also planning on posting more soon, likely at the point where it does make more sense to claim, as it now seems very likely Dylan and LL are not coming back "today")

[WestCoastDidds]

I reread Didds and unvote.

LL knew about Kobol because we were told in the OP for the day.

@gkrieg, what do you want to talk about?

He seemed certain that MiX had it from his choices today. That is what I find odd.

[gkrieg13]

I doubt there is another member of the Cylon extremists, so I guess looking at math's posts is not really that useful.

Why do you doubt this? I can easily imagine 1 more (but not necessarily, it's just doubt seems too strong).

It is likely a 3rd party, where we already had another 3rd party (lovers). With 3 cylon extremists, 2 lovers, and at least 3 mafia (likely, but unknown), we are left with 8 town, where possibly 2 of those town are lovers.

That leaves a minority as town, 6/14 (seeing as lovers are a kind of 3rd party), which does not seem right.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.5

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
scolapasta (2): MiX, Jack Rudd
gkrieg13 (2): Swowl, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (4): scolapasta, Cylons, gkrieg13, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am. This is in less than 2 days.

[scolapasta]

I doubt there is another member of the Cylon extremists, so I guess looking at math's posts is not really that useful.

Why do you doubt this? I can easily imagine 1 more (but not necessarily, it's just doubt seems too strong).

It is likely a 3rd party, where we already had another 3rd party (lovers). With 3 cylon extremists, 2 lovers, and at least 3 mafia (likely, but unknown), we are left with 8 town, where possibly 2 of those town are lovers.

That leaves a minority as town, 6/14 (seeing as lovers are a kind of 3rd party), which does not seem right.

Including the lovers seems irrelevant as they seem dual aligned and in no way think they can / should be subtracted from town. SO if it were 3/3 it would be 8 town.

I could also see it be 3/1* or 2/2 or 3/2 with either 3 Cylon Extremists or just 2. Maybe even 4/1?

* for example 3 Cylon Extremists that want all humans gone, and 1 Serial Killer type.

I could osee it being

[scolapasta]

OK, So I was waiting to claim for a few (related) reasons, basically hoping LaLight would come back. Because my role is essentially very similar to his (by the sounds of it) except it has restrictions.

So I need to first gather doses but to do that I need to go and risk getting sick. I may not succeed, sadly, which is what happened the first night, and I had to go back out the 2nd night. (so LaLight curing me wouldn't have helped me, anyway)

If I have successfully gathered any doses, I can cure radiation sickness.

My hope was to have LaLight cure me in order to validate his claim. Instead, as I now have 1 dose, I'll be able to validate my own claim instead, assuming I'm not exiled.

But that's why I was curious to hear more about the case on LL. I find it weird that he volunteered so quickly, leaving me to die (in his mind), and I suspect his role is a little more nuanced than just, he can cure radiation any night.

[gkrieg13]

Doesnt that make your role at best net neutral?

[MiX]

Okay, that's a good cover story.

What else does that power do?

[EFHW]

Just realized deadline is tomorrow. I think Jack townslipped when he thought he wasn't a Cylon anymore. Scum would have a lot more information, and he was scum last time. The Cylons are voting for Swowl now, I see. Delayed reaction? Maybe the person controlling that vote wasn't on between MiX's request and the previous vc.

mathdude having the same power as gkrieg is an odd coincidence. But I find scola scummier. I'll check in tomorrow morning and see if my vote is needed.

EFHW, what are your feelings on scola now? You seemed to have a good reason to think they were scum Yesterday.

I forgot I even had that read. Given that math was scum. I can't really claim that scola shouldn't have pressured him. I'm feeling kind of at a loss rn. I would like to hear more from Glooble.

[EFHW]

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

[EFHW]

The lovers are lover aligned, not the die together kind. The remaining lover could have any alignment.

[MiX]

Scola, if you may, can you please claim everything about that power? It would also help for us to know what else you have. There's really no reason to withhold information.

[scolapasta]

Doesnt that make your role at best net neutral?

I think it could be seen as neutral, but I wouldn't say "at best". I think you could also say, at worst.

From the game into, I'm not the only one who can do things in the decontaminated zone and so having at least one of us who can cure is useful. Up until LL volunteered and seemingly abandoned me to die, my assumption was that he was also town.

[scolapasta]

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.

But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.

[scolapasta]

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.

But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.

* fail

[Swowl]

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.

But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.

* fail

do you get sick when using said doses? like, when you try to cure someone with a dose.

[EFHW]

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.

But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.

* fail

do you get sick when using said doses? like, when you try to cure someone with a dose.

Why would that happen?

@scola, Do have the choice not to go out?

[Glooble]

Less than two days left. Slow day at work. gkrieg and scola are top wagons but not sure why we exile scola if he's gonna die anyway, so time for a gkrieg re-read to see if I support this exile or if I want to try and get another one going.

Day1:

Gkrieg feels off so far this game.  Too quiet.  /randomgutread

Scum!ash casting shade on gkrieg. Guess it doesn't mean much, since we already know if gkrieg is scum, he's different color scum than ash.

gkrieg isn't very active day one. He puts LL to L-2 which might be significant for those of us who think LL is scummy. At that point the LL wagon was only one vote ahead of the ADK wagon, so if gkrieg and LL were partners he probably would have voted for ADK to make the wagons even, at least I would have as scum, you bus when the wagon either isn't gonna go through or definitely is, deciding votes aren't usually busses, plus as far as I can tell he hadn't said anything about ADK all day so he could have voted wherever without contradicting himself. Still, that's a weak case even if we knew LL's alignment and its super weak if we only suspect it.

Vote: LaLight

I believe this is X-2

you of all people should know I'm town right now!

This is interesting. Why does LL say this? "you of all people" to me seems like he's reminding gkrieg of some non-public information they share.

gkrieg unvotes LL after his claim and proceeds to give town points to a lot of people some of whom are scum.

Then he and I argue about who is lurking more, and he hammers ADK, which is townie I think, but given the town's alternate wincon maybe slighlty less townie than it would normally be.

[Glooble]

Day 2 starts with the cop result on math. We've talked about it extensively. I guess I disagree with the "town cop doesn't just come out with his first result" argument. It's sometimes the right play, and if he was basically a one-shot, which he implied, maybe the best play.

Also it's an argument first made by mathdude, who turned out to be scum, so... not sold on it, tbh.

I'm not finding any Day 2 quotes that seem worth pulling out. But the fact is math's "I'm a cylon cop too!" fake claim is a weird move. Like, what was his endgame if Jack flipped town? math isn't the kind of player who plays to keep himself alive one more day. He plays the long game. I think if he claimed Jack was a cylon he had some evidence that was true.

I think Jack is a better exile than gkrieg today.

Rereading gkrieg's day 2 with the knowledge that math was scum just gives me no desire to exile gkrieg today. Sorry, but I'm not seeing it.

[WestCoastDidds]

faust, I just read about all the flooding in Berlin? Are you and yours okay? I’m sending you good thoughts.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.6

Jack Rudd (1): Glooble
scolapasta (2): MiX, Jack Rudd
gkrieg13 (2): Swowl, WestCoastDidds

Not Voting (4): scolapasta, Cylons, gkrieg13, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am. This is in less than 22 hours.

faust, I just read about all the flooding in Berlin? Are you and yours okay? I’m sending you good thoughts.

Thank you, I am alright. The flooding hit mostly in the west of Germany really, all we got here was some quickly passing storms.

[WestCoastDidds]

Whew! Thank you, faust. I’m glad you’re okay.

I was voting for gkrieg because I was annoyed at him for shutting down the LL discussion. There isn’t a real wagon there…just two rather rando votes. I think my vote was actually much better placed on

Vote: Jack

I do not have a case on Jack other than math’s result, which was obviously suspect, but he did have investigative powers so not entirely based on nothing. Moreover, while I can’t point to anything Jack has done that is scummy, I also can’t point to anything that is helpful. I recognize that helpful/not helpful is not a terrible impressive decision calculus, but that is where I’m at. I know it can be hard to get into a game when you don’t know quite how to go about it, but I find his lurking to be exactly in line with his first game scumplay.

I am curious about Scola. It is clear that he will die if he doesn’t get some cure, so we either wake up tomorrow with a flip, or he is still here and we know that there is either another curing doc or he doses himself. I’m willing to wait that out because more information will be revealed than would be if he was exiled.

His predicament leads me to think a no exile day wouldn’t be the worst. I’m not sure enough yet to advocate for it, but if he town and he’s going to perish, I’d rather not get it wrong and misexile someone so that we find ourselves tomorrow with a much smaller set of green team.

I just don’t have a strong enough sense or anyone else to risk losing them. Swowl and EFHW are slightly shady to me but only in the sense that I don’t feel us towncoring as strongly as we have in the past. Gkrieg and Glooble are hot and cold in terms of activity, but are generally helpful when they are here. I decided when I became the admiral to trust MiX. Our choices of XOs have generally tracked together and I think are pro-town choices with the exception of Kobol which I now see as not at all helpful, but that wasn’t MiX’s fault.,

[gkrieg13]

I think I might agree with WCD here actually on Scola.

I think at this point, I would likely hammer just about anyone, as my reread didn't bring up much, in terms of who is scum. I think at this point, most people have been scum hunting because of the possible two teams, so I haven't really had a great way to see who is scum and who isn't.

Glooble or Jack would be my preferred exile, but I would also go for EFHW and Swowl.

[gkrieg13]

Also I definitely won't be around for deadline. WAY too early for me.

[scolapasta]

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.

But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.

* fail

do you get sick when using said doses? like, when you try to cure someone with a dose.

Why would that happen?

@scola, Do have the choice not to go out?

No, they are two separate powers - one to go to irradiated area to try and get doses or separately, I can administer a dose, if I have one.

I was going to try to keep what blocks me to myself, but I think it's better to just say it. I fail if I get targeted that same night by a military person.

[MiX]

What other powers do you have, scola?

[scolapasta]

Also I was targeted by someone who's military first night.

[scolapasta]

MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.

a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing

[MiX]

MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.

a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing

It's related to why I think you're scum.

I presume you weren't targeted by military last night then?

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.

a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing

Is there a typo in here?

[scolapasta]

MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.

a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing

Is there a typo in here?

Ah, yeah - 2nd mix=math

[scolapasta]

MiX, yesterday you said you had it on good authority that Mix had the same power as gkrieg.

a) that proved to be wrong, or atl east not exactly the same from how math described (and had little reason to lie, I'd think)
b) you said you would say more today about it, but have not said a thing

It's related to why I think you're scum.

I presume you weren't targeted by military last night then?

I was not.

I do think it's time for you to reveal more too, as we've kind of glossed over you. You're playing different than your usual MiX game, which you also did in Memento. And of course, you were scum there.

And somehow it feels you're slipping under everyone's radar (not necessarily as scum, but I've heard scummy / tpwny opinions on everyone, but for some reason none on you. Is it because your president? that actually feels backwards.

And while I was giving you some town cred for my pardoning math, of course you wouldn't do that as actual scum either. (in fact, as scum you would know for sure not to pardon, and in fact, you never really did seem to hedge in it)

[scolapasta]

I am unlikely to be here at deadline, but will try to make sure to throw a vote in before then. Right now I'm considering MiX, EFHW, or maybe no exile (as my stronger scum reads are Dylan and/or LL). Maybe gloobie or swowl, not gkrieg, or WCD.

(WCD feels a weird case to me, as I read her as towny so far. BUT in the last few games, when I've read her as scum she's been town, so there is a case to be made that my WCD scum radar is flipped and a towny WCD is actually scum.)

[MiX]

Yeah okay scola's scum.

So my thinking here is, we flip scola today, and if he flips scum, that's that, otherwise I claim tomorrow. Is that okay?

[scolapasta]

OK, there's the definitive Mix I know (and love).

Why am I scum? Just because I'm the first to even consider you?

[scolapasta]

OK, there's the definitive Mix I know (and love).

Why am I scum? Just because I'm the first to even consider you?

i.e OMGUS lite.

[MiX]

OK, there's the definitive Mix I know (and love).

Why am I scum? Just because I'm the first to even consider you?

i.e OMGUS lite.

That's what you did to me just now.

[scolapasta]

OK, there's the definitive Mix I know (and love).

Why am I scum? Just because I'm the first to even consider you?

i.e OMGUS lite.

That's what you did to me just now.

Not exactly; your asking me to claim made me realize you've said very little and what you did was vague and without evidence (and a promise to say more tomorrow). Which is what you're doing now. Same as yesterday. Why not say more now like you said you would?

[MiX]

Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.

I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?

[gkrieg13]

Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.

I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?

I would hammer scola, but if you really want to get a wagon going on him, you need to give us a little bit more to go off.

[WestCoastDidds]

Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.

I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?

I think that is right. I really do think we get more information about scola if he isn't exiled and we see if he actually has cures he can use or if LL comes back if he is actually willing to help or if we have another doc. If he survives, he can tell us more or we can exile him. I honestly don't see much downside to giving him another night.  BUT...I know I miss things, so if there is a flaw in my thinking, please let me know.

[MiX]

Hmm, alright.

Can everyone say if you townread or scumread scola? You can take into account my "information" or not, up to you.

Other than scola, I'm a fan of not exiling.

[Swowl]

Yeah okay scola's scum.

So my thinking here is, we flip scola today, and if he flips scum, that's that, otherwise I claim tomorrow. Is that okay?

I am confused about what pasta said that makes you think he is skum and or a good flip for today?

1. If he is gonna die anyways is a horrible reason. For just, countless reasons. On both ends of the argument tbf.
2. You said you had a gut read and wanted the claim to sort things out. He claimed. Then you asked for more. Now you skum read him. Was there anything he could of said that would of changed your mind? Why bother with the theatrics?

PPE 2:
I am fenced on scola. Willing to take information into consideration. As it stands right now, not a fan of a pasta exile today.

[MiX]

Yeah okay scola's scum.

So my thinking here is, we flip scola today, and if he flips scum, that's that, otherwise I claim tomorrow. Is that okay?

I am confused about what pasta said that makes you think he is skum and or a good flip for today?

1. If he is gonna die anyways is a horrible reason. For just, countless reasons. On both ends of the argument tbf.
2. You said you had a gut read and wanted the claim to sort things out. He claimed. Then you asked for more. Now you skum read him. Was there anything he could of said that would of changed your mind? Why bother with the theatrics?

PPE 2:
I am fenced on scola. Willing to take information into consideration. As it stands right now, not a fan of a pasta exile today.

His OMGUS on me was pretty scummy.

[EFHW]

Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.

I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?

He said he can cure himself.

[MiX]

Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.

I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?

He said he can cure himself.

Where?

[Glooble]

I didn't find his OMGUS scummy. It's a valid point. None of us have been considering MiX, and I don't exactly know why beyond a vague "I townread him".

I would probably hammer scola if it was that or no exile, but I think Jack is more likely to be scum.

[EFHW]

OK, So I was waiting to claim for a few (related) reasons, basically hoping LaLight would come back. Because my role is essentially very similar to his (by the sounds of it) except it has restrictions.

So I need to first gather doses but to do that I need to go and risk getting sick. I may not succeed, sadly, which is what happened the first night, and I had to go back out the 2nd night. (so LaLight curing me wouldn't have helped me, anyway)

If I have successfully gathered any doses, I can cure radiation sickness.

My hope was to have LaLight cure me in order to validate his claim. Instead, as I now have 1 dose, I'll be able to validate my own claim instead, assuming I'm not exiled.

But that's why I was curious to hear more about the case on LL. I find it weird that he volunteered so quickly, leaving me to die (in his mind), and I suspect his role is a little more nuanced than just, he can cure radiation any night.

[MiX]

Thanks EFHW I missed that.

That's a great way to justify not dying. Did any military target scola N1?

I'll ISO scola's D3 and see if there's any inconsistencies.

[scolapasta]

Yeah okay scola's scum.

So my thinking here is, we flip scola today, and if he flips scum, that's that, otherwise I claim tomorrow. Is that okay?

I am confused about what pasta said that makes you think he is skum and or a good flip for today?

1. If he is gonna die anyways is a horrible reason. For just, countless reasons. On both ends of the argument tbf.
2. You said you had a gut read and wanted the claim to sort things out. He claimed. Then you asked for more. Now you skum read him. Was there anything he could of said that would of changed your mind? Why bother with the theatrics?

PPE 2:
I am fenced on scola. Willing to take information into consideration. As it stands right now, not a fan of a pasta exile today.

His OMGUS on me was pretty scummy.

You've been voting for me since even before I claimed.

[scolapasta]

Thanks EFHW I missed that.

That's a great way to justify not dying. Did any military target scola N1?

I'll ISO scola's D3 and see if there's any inconsistencies.

How did you miss it? You're the one who asked me to claim and right after posted:

Okay, that's a good cover story.

What else does that power do?

[WestCoastDidds]

I am cool with a Jack exile or no exile.

I don’t see the upside to exiling Scola. If he doesn’t cure himself, he dies. It’s like an exile we get for free! I do not have strong scummy or no vibes, but I’m not willing to trust MiX on exiling him now  without more information.

I’m heading out for the afternoon/evening (happy weekend everyone!) so I’ll be around just before I go to bed tonight, but likely not at deadline.

[EFHW]

I'm good with no exile. There is a chance, don't know how big, that Dylan and LL are both scum and wanted a free town exile. Probably not, since they were so overt about it, but who knows. I don't have a compelling case on anyone right now.

vote: no exile

[MiX]

Thanks EFHW I missed that.

That's a great way to justify not dying. Did any military target scola N1?

I'll ISO scola's D3 and see if there's any inconsistencies.

How did you miss it? You're the one who asked me to claim and right after posted:

Okay, that's a good cover story.

What else does that power do?

I skimmed it. You didn't explicitly say you could target yourself fwiw.

[MiX]

I think my radiation poisoning was the reason it got added to the deck.

Why do you think this?

Quit with the prodding! (though I get it)

I have radiation poisoning because I performed an action on N1 that exposed me. Not sure it benefits town or me yet to say what the action was, short of, in order to do a better more useful thing, I needed to go out into the irradiated zone first.

Not mentioning it was just misunderstanding that two nights meant the night I went out and the next night, not the next two nights. I planned on asking LL today to cure me.

I do find it weird that he so quickly offered to help me, then volunteered and went away, where we don't know if he'll be back in time to cure me. Worried it's a convenient way to dodge responsibility when I die, having gotten the credit for trying to save me.

Why did you want to tell LL to heal you? Can't you heal yourself?

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.

But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.

How did you get sick and get blocked at the same time?

No, they are two separate powers - one to go to irradiated area to try and get doses or separately, I can administer a dose, if I have one.

Can you administer infinite doses once you get one?

You've been voting for me since even before I claimed.

Exactly, so how in the world am I doing the OMGUS? You had a townread on me before I pushed you like this.

[MiX]

I'm on board killing scola, since he won't die at night.

Vote: scola for emphasis.

[scolapasta]

Thanks EFHW I missed that.

That's a great way to justify not dying. Did any military target scola N1?

I'll ISO scola's D3 and see if there's any inconsistencies.

How did you miss it? You're the one who asked me to claim and right after posted:

Okay, that's a good cover story.

What else does that power do?

I skimmed it. You didn't explicitly say you could target yourself fwiw.

...

My hope was to have LaLight cure me in order to validate his claim. Instead, as I now have 1 dose, I'll be able to validate my own claim instead, assuming I'm not exiled.

...

Added emphasis. I think it was clear, especially considering I'm the only one with sickness. Others got it, and if not clear, why not ask me as a follow up?

[MiX]

You were willing to die to confirm LL's role?

[MiX]

Wait. Wait. I withdraw that.

Okay that is consistent.

[scolapasta]

I think my radiation poisoning was the reason it got added to the deck.

Why do you think this?

The rules for the season state that a turning point will occur when "a player ends a second Night with Radiation poisoning." I didn't realize until the day started that N1 counted as the first Night, since I didn't have the poisoning to start the night. Once I did, and nothing else occurred that would cause a turning point, it seemed likely this was it.

Quit with the prodding! (though I get it)

I have radiation poisoning because I performed an action on N1 that exposed me. Not sure it benefits town or me yet to say what the action was, short of, in order to do a better more useful thing, I needed to go out into the irradiated zone first.

Not mentioning it was just misunderstanding that two nights meant the night I went out and the next night, not the next two nights. I planned on asking LL today to cure me.

I do find it weird that he so quickly offered to help me, then volunteered and went away, where we don't know if he'll be back in time to cure me. Worried it's a convenient way to dodge responsibility when I die, having gotten the credit for trying to save me.

Why did you want to tell LL to heal you? Can't you heal yourself?

Because a) I didn't know if I would succeed in retrieving a dose last night; b) I wanted to gauge LL's reaction. I still can't imagine he can just cure radiation without some constraint; i.e. I imagine he also needs doses. Maybe he starts with them, whereas I had 0 to start. and c) if he is different and can cure infinite times, then I wanted to save my dose in case they were needed for someone else and LL gets removed from the game.

@scola, can you say more about the getting sick mechanism? It sounds like you are saying you do have some percent chance of getting doses without getting sick.

As far as i know, i get sick any time i go out to get more doses.

But i can fill in getting doses - it's not a good idea to say what can cause that.

How did you get sick and get blocked at the same time?

It's any targeting by military not a specific blocking action, so I don't get "blocked" per se, I just fail to retrieve any doses. I still go out there.

No, they are two separate powers - one to go to irradiated area to try and get doses or separately, I can administer a dose, if I have one.

Can you administer infinite doses once you get one?

No, I have to deal with finite amounts.

You've been voting for me since even before I claimed.

Exactly, so how in the world am I doing the OMGUS? You had a townread on me before I pushed you like this.

Well, I did call it OMGUS lite. Because while you had been voting for me, you're "OK, scola's scum" came right after I just asked you to claim and that you seemed to be getting a free ride for some reason.

[scolapasta]

I'm on board killing scola, since he won't die at night.

Vote: scola for emphasis.

Before you were on board killing me because I would die and it wouldn't matter; now because I would. In other words, you are and have been on board exiling me, no matter what. And try to use "since it won't matter" and "since he won't die at night", instead of actually presenting any compelling case.

[scolapasta]

Also, just realized, that if the Cylons don't vote today that could mean that no one left who can control the vote (e.g. ash and math) are around, BUT it also could mean Dylan and LL since they are away.

Vote: No exile

I still am willing to consider an actual exile from my earlier list, BUT in case I'm not around a lot tonight, want to at least get a default vote in.

[Swowl]

So we go from this:

I see it like this: you're going to die. So...why not claim?

Followed by a vote from you for scola.
Following up again with this...

Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.

I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?

And now this...

I'm on board killing scola, since he won't die at night.

Vote: scola for emphasis.

So he is going to die at night = exile scola
He is not going to die at night = exile scola
Claim can only help scola, so he should claim. If he doesn't = exile scola
Scola claims = Exile scola.

Just like... if you have a result just claim it man. What is up with this?

PPE 2-3

[MiX]

Yes I think we should exile my scumread. This is outside mechanics.

[faust]

Vote Count 3.7

Jack Rudd (2): Glooble, WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (2): MiX, Jack Rudd
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl

No Exile (2): EFHW, scolapasta

Not Voting (2): Cylons, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am. This is in about 15 hours.

[Jack Rudd]

It's just occurred to me that if I were scum, and knew neither LaLight or Scolapasta was, I might well have gotten rid of LaLight last night so as to try to create a two-in-one elimination. It might be meaningful that this didn't happen.

[MiX]

No, they are two separate powers - one to go to irradiated area to try and get doses or separately, I can administer a dose, if I have one.

Can you administer infinite doses once you get one?

No, I have to deal with finite amounts.

Why would you not say how many doses you got?

[MiX]

Before I claim, I would like to know what other PRs you have, scola.

I really will claim after you answer this, but I'm not gonna risk going all out until I know you're scum.

[scolapasta]

Before I claim, I would like to know what other PRs you have, scola.

I really will claim after you answer this, but I'm not gonna risk going all out until I know you're scum.

Is it just me or does feel just so... manipulative??

I can see scum!Mix wanting to exile me today and then NK LL so that both known radiation doctors are eliminated and town can't do their actions that go into the irradiated areas (and I have to assume their are at least a few, given the game rules and that my retrieve action is listed with the type "radiation".

I mean if your evidence were actually real, you could just claim first and then get the support you need to exile me. But by trying to manipulate me into claiming my other power and then somehow twist that into something to convince others of my guilt.

I'm not actually convinced yet you're scum (or I would be voting for you), but this request definitely feels scummy. I hope this answers your question, MiX.

[MiX]

We have 12 hours until EoD. If you are not claiming now, say so.

[Glooble]

Are we doing a mass claim today? I’m game. Thought I’ve said everything about my role that’s relevant.

[MiX]

Are we doing a mass claim today? I’m game. Thought I’ve said everything about my role that’s relevant.

No. I just want scola to claim.

[gkrieg13]

Are we doing a mass claim today? I’m game. Thought I’ve said everything about my role that’s relevant.

Why would we start a mass claim this late?

[Glooble]

Are we doing a mass claim today? I’m game. Thought I’ve said everything about my role that’s relevant.

Why would we start a mass claim this late?

I don’t know, I was very confused. I saw MiX’s question and didn’t realize it was just directed at scola I thought I’d missed a lot.

[gkrieg13]

I will try to log on before I go to sleep tonight to vote, but it would be really good to get this claiming stuff squared away in the next couple hours.

[WestCoastDidds]

I’m not at all a fan of MiX’s strong arm. It feels entirely out of nowhere in this day/game and we don’t have any concrete reason to trust him right now, at least not to this degree. It’s Friday night, a mass claim isn’t happening before deadline in the morning.

If I had to move my vote right now, it would be to MiX.

[MiX]

Okay since scola has completely dodged claiming first and he also provided a reason that he won't die tonight, I'll just claim.

Each night, I can cure someone from radiation poisoning

It's a bit more complicated than that, but given my power there is absolutely zero way scola's power also exists in this game. That just would not make any sense whatsoever.

The only way scola is town is if he has a much better power that he hasn't claimed. Which is why I wanted him to claim. Sadly, because of timezones and his refusal to claim, he will now know this, and can thus claim a powerful role to come with it.

This ability is the sole cause for me:

- Scumreading LL D1, since they claimed to have what I thought was the same power, and that felt really weird and I wanted further explanations.
- Why I was saying math and gkrieg have the same power, since at the time I thought me and LL had the same power too.
- Why I didn't talk about LL leaving scola to die, and wasn't visibly upset by it: I knew that if it was the right play, I would pick scola.
- It's also why I pushed scola and talked about how he was going to die; since I had leverage, I knew he wasn't actually going to die to radiation.

I would highly advise town to make scola claim, or kill him if he doesn't, while I sleep. I'll be up in 8 hours, maybe a bit earlier, so I'll be around for deadline, but deadline's very late for american times so I don't think I'll be here for the relevant part of EoD.

Vote: scola

Good night everyone.

[Glooble]

I will switch my vote because I likely won't be around for deadline.

vote: scolapasta

[scolapasta]

Okay since scola has completely dodged claiming first and he also provided a reason that he won't die tonight, I'll just claim.

Each night, I can cure someone from radiation poisoning

It's a bit more complicated than that, but given my power there is absolutely zero way scola's power also exists in this game. That just would not make any sense whatsoever.

The only way scola is town is if he has a much better power that he hasn't claimed. Which is why I wanted him to claim. Sadly, because of timezones and his refusal to claim, he will now know this, and can thus claim a powerful role to come with it.

This ability is the sole cause for me:

- Scumreading LL D1, since they claimed to have what I thought was the same power, and that felt really weird and I wanted further explanations.
- Why I was saying math and gkrieg have the same power, since at the time I thought me and LL had the same power too.
- Why I didn't talk about LL leaving scola to die, and wasn't visibly upset by it: I knew that if it was the right play, I would pick scola.
- It's also why I pushed scola and talked about how he was going to die; since I had leverage, I knew he wasn't actually going to die to radiation.

I would highly advise town to make scola claim, or kill him if he doesn't, while I sleep. I'll be up in 8 hours, maybe a bit earlier, so I'll be around for deadline, but deadline's very late for american times so I don't think I'll be here for the relevant part of EoD.

Vote: scola

Good night everyone.

This is a horrible reason to vote for me. We now have 3 people who have claimed we can cure radiation poisoning. I also agree it's unlikey all 3 are true, but it's possible. But let's go with that assumption for now. Why would anyone think I'm making it up? If anything LL or MiX should be seen as suspicious.

If I were to make it up, why would I come up with such a convoluted version, that I have to get doses first, that that irradiates me, that they're limited, they I can get blocked by being targeted by military, etc. Trust me, as scum, I'd make up a much simpler version.

And more importantly, if you don't believe me, just vote no exile and I will die overnight, as MiX clearly won't save me, and LL may not be able to. And honestly, I'm fine telling him know not to.

Or, since I'm telling the truth, I'll cure myself and stay alive.

Then tomorrow we can figure out if MiX or LL is the better exile.

[scolapasta]

I will add, I'm not sure MiX is the lying one because of a few things:

I do have another power. I don't think it makes sense to claim it now.

And one noticeable difference between mine and MiX's description is that I can cure more than 1 in a night (assuming I have enough doses). The first night, in fact I tried to retrieve 6 doses, but failed. So on N2, I was much more conservative, and only tried to get 1. (there are only 9 doses available, and needed to leave some out there still, in case I failed).

(this is also why I still prefer no exile to exiling MiX)

[EFHW]

scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.

[EFHW]

Can any military player confirm having targeted scola N1?

[scolapasta]

It's just occurred to me that if I were scum, and knew neither LaLight or Scolapasta was, I might well have gotten rid of LaLight last night so as to try to create a two-in-one elimination. It might be meaningful that this didn't happen.

How does this create a 2 in 1 elimination?

[scolapasta]

scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.

This definitely relates to what I'm saying. My claim is just too complex and with too many moving parts to be made up as scum. And I can prove it true "tonight". Normally, of course, I could still be scum and just be telling the truth, but with two other claimed radiation doctors, it seems more likely that one of the other two is actually lying.

[scolapasta]

Can any military player confirm having targeted scola N1?

If it were scum military, I doubt we'll get a confirmation.

[scolapasta]

OK, off to bed. I'll try to see if I can get up for deadline, but no promises.

Let me just point out again how silly it would be for me to lie about this claim. Because if I were and I don't get exiled, I'd just die tonight anyway.

But if I do get exiled, please take note of this during the Mix / LL 1v1:

Dylan, I understand your line of thought, but I have it on good word that math does have gkrieg's ability. So he's not faking that.

Don't fully trust me on this, but yeah. He probably just didn't copy that because the wording was too different.

and:

This ability is the sole cause for me:

- Why I was saying math and gkrieg have the same power, since at the time I thought me and LL had the same power too.

These definitely don't follow. Sure thinking you have the same power as someone else can help you think that there are other duplicated powers, but you wouldn't describe it as "I have it on good word". That means something else. Nor would you be so sure of it (even Mix); just because you think something is possible, doesn't mean it has to be; just because you suspect there could be other duplicate powers, doesn't mean specifically "math does have gkrieg's ability".

And as it turns out, math was scum, and we have reason to doubt that those two do have the same power. So I think it would also be weird if both Mix and LL had the same exact power, or at least the same exact power AND on the same team. Noting again unless gkrieg somehow is a Cylon extremist, that math and gkrieg are on different teams. So Mix and LL are likely on different teams.

The more I think this through, the more convinced I am that one of the two is scum (or at least non town).

I still think no exile is best for today, and let the 1v1 happen tomorrow (when LL is back and can clarify anything). But you know what, I'm willing to throw out a:

Vote: MiX

I don't think it'll get enough votes, which means we could still get no exile. But if 4 others actually see enough to exile Mix, then I'm willing to pre-hammer now.

Night all!

[gkrieg13]

I’m not around for deadline and it doesn’t seem like we would get an exile off anyway.

[Swowl]

I am not here for DL as it is like 5am here. But I just got back home and I got some time before I need to call it. So I will read and do any needed shit now before I go to sleep.

[Swowl]

ok time wasted.
I am exhausted. I do not love the scola case.
I am going to bed.

[Swowl]

Given our win con - why is it so wrong to have multiple radiation docs?

[faust]

Vote Count 3.8

Jack Rudd (1): WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (3): MiX, Jack Rudd, Glooble
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
MiX (1): scolapasta

No Exile (1): EFHW

Not Voting (2): Cylons, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 3 ends July 17, 2021, 08:15:00 am. This is in less than 4.5 hours.

[MiX]

I will add, I'm not sure MiX is the lying one because of a few things:

I do have another power. I don't think it makes sense to claim it now.

And one noticeable difference between mine and MiX's description is that I can cure more than 1 in a night (assuming I have enough doses). The first night, in fact I tried to retrieve 6 doses, but failed. So on N2, I was much more conservative, and only tried to get 1. (there are only 9 doses available, and needed to leave some out there still, in case I failed).

(this is also why I still prefer no exile to exiling MiX)

This does not make any sense whatsoever if the ONLY reason you were blocked is because military picked you. This is also completely arbitrary if the ONLY thing doses do are cure people of radiation!

Someone kill this man! This claim does NOT belong in this game. It's pure fantasy.

Good morning everyone.

[MiX]

scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.

This definitely relates to what I'm saying. My claim is just too complex and with too many moving parts to be made up as scum. And I can prove it true "tonight". Normally, of course, I could still be scum and just be telling the truth, but with two other claimed radiation doctors, it seems more likely that one of the other two is actually lying.

I would like to point to exhibit A:

Sigh, I forgot in what game Dylan said this, but he said that scola wanted to do a bunch of weird plays as scum last game. Basically, it's in scola's wheelhouse to do this off-the-wall claim.

Then there's the fact that it's completely unverifiable. No one here has claimed to have picked you, right? Oh, but that's right, you can always say "it was LL/scum".

Add that to the complexity adding nothing to the game (why can you pick how many doses you get?) and you get a claim that does not match reality. Scola made this fake claim because he didn't know how LL/me cured radiation poisoning, so he made this great story to claim to survive the poisoning tonight. I don't know how scum actually cures themselves, but it's certainly not like this.

[MiX]

Given our win con - why is it so wrong to have multiple radiation docs?

Because his claim is convoluted and fake. I mean, the picking how many doses thing? That's a complete lie. If there's 10 doses available, why would you EVER only take 1? This is a cop-out, a way to claim to not die from poisoning tonight while also not actually using whatever power he or his scumteam have to heal town.

Also, it's basically impossible for it to belong in the same game as my ability.

[MiX]

scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.

No, he probably claimed this part because he has inside information about who targeted him. It's not really possible to know how much, but scum!scola wouldn't leave that to chance, I think.

If only Dylan were here to confirm this...

[MiX]

And one noticeable difference between mine and MiX's description is that I can cure more than 1 in a night (assuming I have enough doses). The first night, in fact I tried to retrieve 6 doses, but failed. So on N2, I was much more conservative, and only tried to get 1. (there are only 9 doses available, and needed to leave some out there still, in case I failed).

Wait.

Can you clarify this? Can you state exactly what you've known about how many doses there are each night?

[EFHW]

vote: scola. The multiple doses thing really doesn't track. The part about conservatively choosing only one the second time makes no sense if the only reason he failed the first time was that someone targeted him. The doses would have to disappear if you fail for this to matter.

[EFHW]

scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.

No, he probably claimed this part because he has inside information about who targeted him. It's not really possible to know how much, but scum!scola wouldn't leave that to chance, I think.

If only Dylan were here to confirm this...

What do you mean about Dylan being able to confirm something?

[EFHW]

E-1, btw

[MiX]

scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.

No, he probably claimed this part because he has inside information about who targeted him. It's not really possible to know how much, but scum!scola wouldn't leave that to chance, I think.

If only Dylan were here to confirm this...

What do you mean about Dylan being able to confirm something?

To confirm that scola wanted to make weird claims and plays in the first game.

[EFHW]

Why not ask Jack?

[MiX]

Why not ask Jack?

Because Jack's not here either, and Dylan's the one that brought it up.

[scolapasta]

vote: scola. The multiple doses thing really doesn't track. The part about conservatively choosing only one the second time makes no sense if the only reason he failed the first time was that someone targeted him. The doses would have to disappear if you fail for this to matter.

How does this not track with what I've said? I said there were a finite # of doses and not infinite. Otherwise sure i could always try to get them all. But failing meant those doses are lost. And if i didn't fail on N1, why wouldn't i have cured myself last night and avoid all this?

Again, why would i makeup something convoluted.

In S1, yes, i tried to come up with a fake claim  but if Jack does show up he will confirm that it was not complicated.

(It was something like i could target someone to change them from military to civilian, and i wanted to call court martial or military tribunal or something like that.)

There's just no way i would make something up like being targeted by military would block me. (if anything i would say being targeted by anyone?). Or maybe infinite doses. It's hard to know what exactly i might have chosen, since i didn't.

But what i do know if i world have known to make it simple and straightforward. With too many moving parts, it would be to eaay to get caught.


Also, it's not just Ll or scum who could have targeted me N1 but any already dead military. Adk was for sure as was ma to math dude, i think.

Mix is twisting himself up in s bunch trying to find something wrong with my claim for who knows what reason (how could scum or anyone else be cured from sickness other than, well, being cured? Has there ever been a poison game where there is an different way to cure?) Let's not forget he's been voting for me since the beginning of the day, well before my claim.

[MiX]

Why did you try to get 6 doses N1 if you would lose them if you failed.

[faust]

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Jack Rudd (1): WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (5): MiX, Jack Rudd, Glooble, EFHW, Public
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
MiX (1): scolapasta

Not Voting (2): Cylons, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.

[MiX]

What.

[scolapasta]

On my last point, notice how much is already trying to find some story to make up for when i do cute myself tonight?

Instead of just accepting the most simple answer, that I'm telling the truth?

Also, notice how different mix has been since i started suspecting him? Before that, it was this "new" mix that is trying to be towny and not so definitive. But throw one suspicion their way, and old school, definitive "my opinion if fact, there's can be no way" mix is back?

[MiX]

If you live, I will heal you.

[scolapasta]

If you live, I will heal you.

Ha, what a joke. If i live, i don't need you to heal me, that's the whole point.

[MiX]

If you live, I will heal you.

Ha, what a joke. If i live, i don't need you to heal me, that's the whole point.

Scum could easily block you. Now they have to block both of us.

[MiX]

Wait, I presume distributing the doses can't be military blocked like getting them.

Well whatever it's not like anyone has claimed to have been poisoned.

[faust]

The situation has become too volatile, the fragile truce between humans and Cylons hangs in the balance. It is necessary now to remove those who would seek to undermine the established order. Luckily, it seems you have been able to locate one of their agents.

scolapasta has been sent to the brig! They were Samuel T. Anderson, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:

• protective
• radiation, miscellaneous
• manipulative
• passive,miscellaneous

Night 3 begins now and lasts at least 48 hours. Night actions are due by July 18, 2021, 08:00:00 pm.

There is no executive order currently in effect.

THREAD LOCKED!

[faust]

The terrorists really know how to manipulate the defense mechanisms by now. You thought the centers of power were secure, but it seems that even here, you had an infiltration.

MiX has been incapacitated! They were Gaius Baltar, and they were Town-aligned! They had the following powers:

• 1-shot, Day, miscellaneous
• passive, protective
• passive, miscellaneous
• protective

The following cards have been removed from the executive order deck:
Civilian Juristdiction, Curfew, Insurrection, Isolate Colonial One, Military Police Force, Presidential Pardon, Prioritize, Vigil

This tragic loss requires a search for a new leader. Let the best candidates come forward!

Today, there will be a Presidential Election. In the first 24 hours of the Day, each player may post Enter the race. If they do, they become an eligible Presidential candidate. After that, each player has 48 hours to secretly cast a vote for their preferred candidate in their private QT. The player with the most votes wins, with ties being decided by who got more civilian votes.

Our government has become unable to fulfil its duties. The constant erosion of its power needs to be counteracted.

The following Night, each player that has been removed from the game may vote for a resolution that has been removed from the executive order deck, to put it back into the deck.

Day 4 begins! Thread unlocked!

Noone is the President of the Colonies.
WestCoastDidds is the Admiral of the Fleet.

Executive order deck: 0 in deck, 0 in discard, 1 drawn

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (7): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.

[faust]

Note: There has been a mod error in the above post. It has been fixed now and hopefully won't affect the game. If you have seen it, please let me know in your QT.

[Glooble]

MiX is still listed as being able to vote. Is that an error?

[faust]

MiX is still listed as being able to vote. Is that an error?

Yes, that was an oversight. Thanks, it's fixed now!

[Glooble]

LaLight and Dylan are still gone. It seems unlikely that they would be able to make a nightkill while removed from the game, so it would seem we still have at least one scum onboard.

My top exile today is still Jack, for the same reasons I was pushing him yesterday.

I don't think I want to run for President, but I guess I would if people wanted me to.

[Jack Rudd]

My top exile would have been LaLight, but he's still on Kobol and unable to be voted for. Hmmm.

[EFHW]

This is a long time for them to be gone.

[WestCoastDidds]

Good job on Scola, team! I was already out for the night when all of that ish went down between Mix’s claim and Scola’s. The late night/early morning deadlines are rough for working stiffs.

But WTF with the public vote? I mean, I appreciate it but where on earth did it come from and why? It makes me upper reticent to vote today.

[EFHW]

The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?

[EFHW]

Jack, please fill us in on what your power has been telling you about the executive orders.

[EFHW]

If a military player nominates themselves are they also volunteering to give up their powers? I know refusing leads to a turning point. Does the military player still become president in that case?

[WestCoastDidds]

The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?

It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.

Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.

[EFHW]

The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?

It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.

Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.

That is a bit dicey, I agree.

[gkrieg13]

The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?

It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.

Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.

I think the public vote was likely MiX’s day power.

[Jack Rudd]

WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.

[Jack Rudd]

Anyway, this looks fun, so I'll go for it. Vote Ellen Tigh for eternal party time!

Enter the race

[EFHW]

WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.

Do you know what the remaining card is?

[EFHW]

Thoughts on mass claim?

[Jack Rudd]

Special Counsel, if I've got it right.

[Swowl]

The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?

It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.

Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.

I think the public vote was likely MiX’s day power.

I was assuming it was like a combo vote from Dylan/LL or something bc of Kobol. But given the quick hammer with it I could see it being mix as well.

[WestCoastDidds]

Special Counsel, if I've got it right.

It is special counsel.

It says pick a player, and after the (coming) night, they’re alignment will be revealed and the we will go to another night.

I can discard it. If I do not, the president gets it. Although learning an alignment is awesome, giving scum an additional night seems not awesome.

I have 48 hours to decide, so I can wait to see who the president is first, but I’m open to opinions.

[WestCoastDidds]

WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.

That is incorrect. I threw out Prioritize and then Civilian jurisdiction. Still pro-MiX moves,  but also not anti-military.

[Glooble]

I really don’t want Jack to win because I think he has a higher-than-average chance of being scum. EFHW? gkrieg? Either of you planning to run for President, or will I have to do it myself?

[Glooble]

I would be okay with a mass claim I guess.

[WestCoastDidds]

Thoughts on mass claim?

Normally I am all in for the info sharing at this point. But….the people I suspect the most are “away” and can watch our conversation while talking to each other. They don’t participate but they get all the knowledge. I’m not sure how to get around that.

[Swowl]

WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.

That is incorrect. I threw out Prioritize and then Civilian jurisdiction. Still pro-MiX moves,  but also not anti-military.

Wait hold on... how is this like "inconsistent?" Jack you get to see the discard pile right? How do you see something but that is not what happened?

[Swowl]

I think we should wait to see if we are going to do the double night thing before deciding on Mass Claim. If we do the double night thing... probably best to wait?

[EFHW]

I really don’t want Jack to win because I think he has a higher-than-average chance of being scum. EFHW? gkrieg? Either of you planning to run for President, or will I have to do it myself?

I'm military, so I'm waiting to hear faust's answer to my question.

[EFHW]

WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.

That is incorrect. I threw out Prioritize and then Civilian jurisdiction. Still pro-MiX moves,  but also not anti-military.

Good question. And there are two nights we haven't heard about from Jack - N2 and N3.
Wait hold on... how is this like "inconsistent?" Jack you get to see the discard pile right? How do you see something but that is not what happened?

[EFHW]

sorry, comment within the quote

[gkrieg13]

I really don’t want Jack to win because I think he has a higher-than-average chance of being scum. EFHW? gkrieg? Either of you planning to run for President, or will I have to do it myself?

I'm military, so I'm waiting to hear faust's answer to my question.

Yup same here.

[Swowl]

<b>If you enter the race, do you still get to cast a vote?</b>

[Swowl]

Edit:
If you enter the race, do you still get to cast a vote?

[Swowl]

WCD - what happens if you do not pick the Special Counsel card. Do the other ones get re-shuffled? Or is it just no cards today?

[faust]

If a military player nominates themselves are they also volunteering to give up their powers? I know refusing leads to a turning point. Does the military player still become president in that case?

They still have the option to keep their powers and trigger a turning point. I cannot share what would happen in that case.

[faust]

Edit:
If you enter the race, do you still get to cast a vote?

Yes.

[Jack Rudd]

My memory was faulty; Insurrection was an N2 discard.

[EFHW]

My memory was faulty; Insurrection was an N2 discard.

Wouldn't you want to check your qt so you could give a correct and complete answer?

[EFHW]

Didds, what are your thoughts about Swowl?

[EFHW]

Enter the race. I agree that Jack is under too much suspicion to be president.

[Jack Rudd]

N1 discards: Military Police Force, Special Counsel

N2 discards: Curfew, Insurrection, Prioritize

N3 discards: Civilian Jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One

Man, I've been seeing the list of discards in my QT all this time and only just twigged that the N2 list had seven cards in it. Counting, I am not good at it.

[EFHW]

I think we should wait to see if we are going to do the double night thing before deciding on Mass Claim. If we do the double night thing... probably best to wait?

I don't think we should do the double night thing. That's a 2 town for one scum, if we happen to pick the right person. And we can't pick Dylan or LL. I'm thinking I would have 1/3 chance of picking scum from this group.

[Jack Rudd]

It's potentially even worse than that, bearing in mind that Special Counselling a player is wasted if they end up being eliminated on the day you play that order on them.

[WestCoastDidds]

WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.

That is incorrect. I threw out Prioritize and then Civilian jurisdiction. Still pro-MiX moves,  but also not anti-military.

Wait hold on... how is this like "inconsistent?" Jack you get to see the discard pile right? How do you see something but that is not what happened?

He sees the discard pile. He said I discarded insurrection…I did not. MiX discarded that one when he chose The presidential pardon.

This is not a big deal. I’m not saying Jack is lying, just that he is reading the discard pile wrong.

[WestCoastDidds]

The public vote seems pro-town at least. Why would it make you hesitant when the Cylons vote didn't?

It’s the out of the blue part that rubbed me the wrong way. I didn’t like the cylon vote, but we knew it existed. The public appeared out of nowhere with the hammer, and now it’s gone again. It worked out fine because Scola was scum, but if he hadn’t been, we’d all be way more agitated about it.

Between cylons and public….2 votes (X-2) could be exile.

I think the public vote was likely MiX’s day power.

I don’t see MiX keeping that quiet…. And he was clearly confused when it happened.

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds, what are your thoughts about Swowl?

So, you know that I have a hard time reading him. I always think he’s town. In fact, I can’t think of a time when I didn’t think he was town. So, I fully recognize I have a huge blind spot for him. That said, I can’t point to anything scummy other than just being rather more absent than he is in games where he is super active. He’s the only one in his time zone right now, so there is a delay that hurts conversation, I think. All of that is a long way of saying “meh”.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think we should wait to see if we are going to do the double night thing before deciding on Mass Claim. If we do the double night thing... probably best to wait?

I don't think we should do the double night thing. That's a 2 town for one scum, if we happen to pick the right person. And we can't pick Dylan or LL. I'm thinking I would have 1/3 chance of picking scum from this group.

faust, can the special counsel card be used on Dylan?

[WestCoastDidds]

WCD - what happens if you do not pick the Special Counsel card. Do the other ones get re-shuffled? Or is it just no cards today?

I have no idea! The text is that I can discard it or it goes to the president.

It should have been the case that they were all reshuffled last night based on the set up

“Executive order deck

The contents of the Executive Order deck are public knowledge, as well as the size of the draw and discard pile. However, the exact contents of draw and discard pile are not public knowledge. Whenever you would draw from the Executive Order deck and there are less than 3 cards left, shuffle all cards into the deck. Executive orders that are enacted remain activated (and thus not in the deck or discard) until they no longer have an effect, at which point they are discarded.”

I am assuming not reshuffling them was a turning point? Maybe the turning point from scolas poisoning?

[WestCoastDidds]

My memory was faulty; Insurrection was an N2 discard.

Wouldn't you want to check your qt so you could give a correct and complete answer?

Agreed, but what I was really objecting to is the certainty that he used in this statement:

WCD discarded Insurrection rather than force Mix to deal with it, which I suppose is a pro-Mix move, if nothing else.

He doesn’t know what I did and what MiX did. Just what MiX chose and what was in the discard pile. But he doesn’t cast it like that. He is saying it like he knows what I did and then he goes on to add motive (I did it rather than force MiX to deal with it). What I chose and why…. these are things Jack does NOT know.

[EFHW]

While I volunteered, Glooble might be a better choice since he's probably a civilian, and if not, he said his powers aren't very useful.

[EFHW]

I think if there is remaining scum in this subgroup, it is Swowl.

[WestCoastDidds]

I had intended to post about why I chose my discards and I went back and looked at the QT to verify my choices…. The first error I assumed was an oversight and then there was a mischaracterization.

Then I went to my qt to verify… Jack is wrong and/or lying here. These were 100% not the N2 discards, and those couldn’t have been the N1 discards. This is not adding up. Special counsel is the card I have right now. If it was a N1 discard why do I have it, and moreover how did Jack predict that I had it if he thought it had already been discarded? He has three discards listed on N2 and that is not accurate either.

N1 discards: Military Police Force, Special Counsel

N2 discards: Curfew, Insurrection, Prioritize

N3 discards: Civilian Jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One

Man, I've been seeing the list of discards in my QT all this time and only just twigged that the N2 list had seven cards in it. Counting, I am not good at it.

[WestCoastDidds]

While I volunteered, Glooble might be a better choice since he's probably a civilian, and if not, he said his powers aren't very useful.

Glooble, if you are a civilian, I agree with this. Please enter the race.

[EFHW]

I had intended to post about why I chose my discards and I went back and looked at the QT to verify my choices…. The first error I assumed was an oversight and then there was a mischaracterization.

Then I went to my qt to verify… Jack is wrong and/or lying here. These were 100% not the N2 discards, and those couldn’t have been the N1 discards. This is not adding up. Special counsel is the card I have right now. If it was a N1 discard why do I have it, and moreover how did Jack predict that I had it if he thought it had already been discarded? He has three discards listed on N2 and that is not accurate either.

N1 discards: Military Police Force, Special Counsel

N2 discards: Curfew, Insurrection, Prioritize

N3 discards: Civilian Jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One

Man, I've been seeing the list of discards in my QT all this time and only just twigged that the N2 list had seven cards in it. Counting, I am not good at it.

Are you taking reshuffles into account? It is confusing that he would have 3 discards for N1, when there should only be 2.

[WestCoastDidds]

I think if there is remaining scum in this subgroup, it is Swowl.

Not Jack? I will admit I’m getting het up about his discard deck errors so that can be coloring my vision. Why Swowl?

PPE: no, I’m not taking reshuffles into account because there shouldn’t have been a reshuffle until today. If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?

[WestCoastDidds]

Special Counsel, if I've got it right.

[gkrieg13]

On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile

[WestCoastDidds]

On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile

Did you do anything with the discards….why are there 3?

[Glooble]

Alright, sure. I am a civilian.

Enter the Race

[WestCoastDidds]

The following cards have been removed from the executive order deck:
Civilian Juristdiction, Curfew, Insurrection, Isolate Colonial One, Military Police Force, Presidential Pardon, Prioritize, Vigil

The following Night, each player that has been removed from the game may vote for a resolution that has been removed from the executive order deck, to put it back into the deck.

Day 4 begins! Thread unlocked!

Noone is the President of the Colonies.
WestCoastDidds is the Admiral of the Fleet.

Executive order deck: 0 in deck, 0 in discard, 1 drawn

Vote Count 4.0[/color]

Not Voting (7): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.

I realize that I was focusing on the election and didn’t read this closely.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ugh…sorry for messing up the snip and giving us jumbotext instead

[WestCoastDidds]

“The following Night, each player that has been removed from the game may vote for a resolution that has been removed from the executive order deck, to put it back into the deck.”

Does removed mean brigged?
So, the players brigged have been:
ADK (green, maroon)
Ash
Mathdude
E
Scola
Mix

At 3 town players currently brigged, we’re even. Now, this is just the cards and they aren’t inherently good or bad for us, but at least three players are looking for us to lose and will choose cards with that mindset.

Or does removed include Dylan and LaLight?

I don’t know what to do with this, but I’m thinking about it.

[Glooble]

I think it probably includes the players on their way to Kobol as well. But I think its very unlikely Dylan and LaLight are both scum, given that we had a nightkill. So it should still be even.

[Jack Rudd]

On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile

Did you do anything with the discards….why are there 3?

Because one of them's Insurrection, which has a discard-this-and-draw-a-new-card effect.

[EFHW]

I think if there is remaining scum in this subgroup, it is Swowl.

Not Jack? I will admit I’m getting het up about his discard deck errors so that can be coloring my vision. Why Swowl?

PPE: no, I’m not taking reshuffles into account because there shouldn’t have been a reshuffle until today. If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?

Can you spell out what you think the cards were each day?

Swowl because his participation falls neatly into the scum box. I didn't know about Jack's inaccuracies, though. I'm planning to reread Swowl to see what I can find.

PPE: 9

[EFHW]

On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile

Did you do anything with the discards….why are there 3?

Because one of them's Insurrection, which has a discard-this-and-draw-a-new-card effect.

So Didds had 4 choices, then MiX had 3, and 1 was used?

[EFHW]

Didds, am I correct that you see all the cards? Can you list them by Day?

[EFHW]

If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?

It was probably the only one left after the others were removed. The card removal was probably the turning point triggered by MiX's incapacitation.

[EFHW]

Sigh.

If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?

It was probably the only one left after the others were removed. The card removal was probably the turning point triggered by MiX's incapacitation.

[WestCoastDidds]

Didds, am I correct that you see all the cards? Can you list them by Day?

I see three cards, and discard one.

N2: Prioritize, Insurrection, Presidential Pardon
I discarded prioritize because I didn’t want MiX to hamper military abilities

N3: Course to Kobol, Civilian jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One
I discarded civilian jurisdiction because I didn’t want MiX to hamper military votes

[WestCoastDidds]

Sigh.

If there was a reshuffle, how did he know I was holding special counsel?

It was probably the only one left after the others were removed. The card removal was probably the turning point triggered by MiX's incapacitation.

I so feel you on the quote fails today. At least you avoided jumbotext!

I see now that information was available in the set up post if someone checked what was removed and could figure out what was left. What’s itching at me is that Jack made it seem as if it was inside info instead of day-start info.

I’m clearly in a paranoid state about these XOs and Jack (I really didn’t like “WCD did this” when it wasn’t true). Does it add up to anything? I’m not sure.

[WestCoastDidds]

On N2 I moved special counsel to the draw pile

Did you do anything with the discards….why are there 3?

Because one of them's Insurrection, which has a discard-this-and-draw-a-new-card effect.

So Didds had 4 choices, then MiX had 3, and 1 was used?

No, I had 3

[WestCoastDidds]

I think it probably includes the players on their way to Kobol as well. But I think its very unlikely Dylan and LaLight are both scum, given that we had a nightkill. So it should still be even.

Good point

[EFHW]

For comparison. We don't know what ash did/saw N1.

N1 discards: Military Police Force, Special Counsel

N2 discards: Curfew, Insurrection, Prioritize

N3 discards: Civilian Jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One

Man, I've been seeing the list of discards in my QT all this time and only just twigged that the N2 list had seven cards in it. Counting, I am not good at it.

I see three cards, and discard one.

N2: Prioritize, Insurrection, Presidential Pardon
I discarded prioritize because I didn’t want MiX to hamper military abilities

N3: Course to Kobol, Civilian jurisdiction, Isolate Colonial One
I discarded civilian jurisdiction because I didn’t want MiX to hamper military votes

I think I can see why there were 3 discards on N2. MiX discarded Insurrection, and then was given another card (Curfew), which he then discarded in favor of Presidential Pardon.

[gkrieg13]

Also my computer decided to not be able to turn on today, so I’m pretty much dealing with that today.

Based on how votes went yesterday, I think that EFHW might also be resistance-aligned

[gkrieg13]

I can’t pull up the quotes on my phone but I think she voted when she thought scola wouldn’t be hammered because of time zones and availability.

[WestCoastDidds]

gkrieg...condolences on the computer.  I was avoiding a bit of work I didn't want to do, so I grabbed her posts from the EoD for you. Is it the casual X-1 that is scummy?

I'm good with no exile. There is a chance, don't know how big, that Dylan and LL are both scum and wanted a free town exile. Probably not, since they were so overt about it, but who knows. I don't have a compelling case on anyone right now.

vote: no exile

vote: scola. The multiple doses thing really doesn't track. The part about conservatively choosing only one the second time makes no sense if the only reason he failed the first time was that someone targeted him. The doses would have to disappear if you fail for this to matter.

scola's claim would be risky for scum since a military player might have targeted him last night.

No, he probably claimed this part because he has inside information about who targeted him. It's not really possible to know how much, but scum!scola wouldn't leave that to chance, I think.

If only Dylan were here to confirm this...

What do you mean about Dylan being able to confirm something?

E-1, btw

Why not ask Jack?

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Jack Rudd (1): WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (5): MiX, Jack Rudd, Glooble, EFHW, Public
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
MiX (1): scolapasta

Not Voting (2): Cylons, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.

[EFHW]

Also my computer decided to not be able to turn on today, so I’m pretty much dealing with that today.

Based on how votes went yesterday, I think that EFHW might also be resistance-aligned

What? I made that exile happen when I could have safely let iy go to no exile.

[gkrieg13]

I thought it was the casual X-1 when no one who wasn’t voting for scola was not going to be around.

[gkrieg13]

I think there is one extra negation in there.

[Glooble]

I don't get that argument, gkrieg. If she were scum, she could have just missed the deadline and said "sorry I overslept". Bussing for the towncred is a risk I certainly wouldn't have taken there as scum.

[Swowl]

I don't get that argument, gkrieg. If she were scum, she could have just missed the deadline and said "sorry I overslept". Bussing for the towncred is a risk I certainly wouldn't have taken there as scum.

I think the fact that you are making the argument vs "sorry I overslept" is kind of the point.

The only way it would make any sense is if she had the control of the Cylons vote in order to GTD that that vote did not go to Scola. WCD, GK, and myself were all clearly out for the night and not coming back for DL.
However, I am pretty much sold that yellow team is the one that has/had the ability to control the Cylons vote... and for this to make sense, EFHW has to be red.

With the info we currently have, I find it unlikely that EFHW was bussing pasta there.

[Swowl]

Also my computer decided to not be able to turn on today, so I’m pretty much dealing with that today.

Based on how votes went yesterday, I think that EFHW might also be resistance-aligned

What? I made that exile happen when I could have safely let iy go to no exile.

just to be clear - this is not you claiming you controlled the public vote right? just a turn of phrase?

[faust]

Vote Count 4.1

Not Voting (7): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.

The following Presidential candidates have entered the race:

Jack Rudd
EFHW
Glooble

You have until July 22, 2021, 03:45:00 pm to cast your vote in your QT.

faust, can the special counsel card be used on Dylan?

Special Counsel, as any action, can only target players that are in the game at the time of enactment.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hmmm...  I am not as sure as Swowl and Glooble that this is a bad case on face.  (I'm not advocating, just thinking it through)

Scum narrative.... In the morning, the only people around were EFHW, Scola, and MiX. Jack was already voting for Scola.  If EFHW is Scola's partner, it would make sense that she was up and wanted to see if he made it out alive. She can increase her credibility and create some distance between them by bussing Scola.  It's an hour until deadline and no one is around because it is before dawn for WCD, Swowl, and gkrieg. The cylons vote hasn't moved...there is no else that can vote for scola who is awake. She can make that vote and be mostly sure that he would not be hammered.

I'm not sure that takes huge leaps of imagination. Really, the only question is does EFHW bus her partner in a situation where she can be fairly certain that they will not be exiled.

Glooble... what would have have been the riskiness of that move?

[WestCoastDidds]

I don't get that argument, gkrieg. If she were scum, she could have just missed the deadline and said "sorry I overslept". Bussing for the towncred is a risk I certainly wouldn't have taken there as scum.

I think the fact that you are making the argument vs "sorry I overslept" is kind of the point.

The only way it would make any sense is if she had the control of the Cylons vote in order to GTD that that vote did not go to Scola. WCD, GK, and myself were all clearly out for the night and not coming back for DL.
However, I am pretty much sold that yellow team is the one that has/had the ability to control the Cylons vote... and for this to make sense, EFHW has to be red.

With the info we currently have, I find it unlikely that EFHW was bussing pasta there.

MiX was pretty adamant that he thought the cylons vote wouldn't be moving today, though. I was definitely under that impression.

[WestCoastDidds]

Swowl, was anyone bussing?

[EFHW]

I woke up too early, checked thread and thought, omg, scola is scum! So I voted. Then checked the vc and added the belated E-1. Then I thought, no one else is around. So I used one of my powers to sway the public vote.

[EFHW]

I can prove this, but I can't move the vote once I cast it.

[Glooble]

Glooble... what would have have been the riskiness of that move?

The risk is that someone has insomnia, or their dog or small child woke them up and then they thought "welp, I'm awake, may as well check the thread" or any other random happenstance leads to another vote. It doesn't seem that unlikely to me.

But EFHW is claiming to control the public vote, and in the absence of a counterclaim, I'm ready to declare her obvtown. It certainly wasn't MiX.

[WestCoastDidds]

EFHW… would it be a good idea to tell us about the public vote? I have questions, but I’m not sure if I should be asking.

[EFHW]

There isn't more to tell, really. 

[Swowl]

Swowl, was anyone bussing?

I mean yes?
Not knowing the team sizes does not help, but I would assume that at least one skum is on that wagon. Bus or not.

[Swowl]

I need to catch up and get some thoughts together.

EFHW for prez is all I really have right now.

[EFHW]

I need to catch up and get some thoughts together.

EFHW for prez is all I really have right now.

Ok, but I'm probably dying tonight, which means another day like today tomorrow.

[EFHW]

I think we should mass claim before I die.

[EFHW]

This is the order I would choose:

Swowl
Jack
Glooble
Didds
Gkrieg

This can only help us with Special Counsel, so I don't see that as a reason to hold off.

[EFHW]

What happens if we find the remaining scum in our group and LL and Dylan are still removed from the game?

[EFHW]

I'd like to claim last.

[Glooble]

I support that claim order.

[WestCoastDidds]

There isn't more to tell, really.

Is it that you have two votes? Do you get to use it every day?

[WestCoastDidds]

I need to decide by 3:45 today to discard Special Counsel or not.

What do y’all think? Ditch it or let the Pres decide?

[EFHW]

There isn't more to tell, really.

Is it that you have two votes? Do you get to use it every day?

Every day. I can only cast the second vote once a day.

[faust]

What happens if we find the remaining scum in our group and LL and Dylan are still removed from the game?

There is no way for me to answer that question other than by pointing to the town win condition:

You win when there have been 2 Days and Nights in a row without someone being removed from the game and there is at least one Town-aligned player left alive, or when Town is the biggest faction in the game when the game ends. You earn 5 points from winning.

[WestCoastDidds]

There isn't more to tell, really.

Is it that you have two votes? Do you get to use it every day?

Every day. I can only cast the second vote once a day.

That’s awesome! You really are responsible for the Scola exile. Good work!!

[EFHW]

I need to decide by 3:45 today to discard Special Counsel or not.

What do y’all think? Ditch it or let the Pres decide?

You might as well pass it on. That will give us more time to decide what to do.

[gkrieg13]

I woke up too early, checked thread and thought, omg, scola is scum! So I voted. Then checked the vc and added the belated E-1. Then I thought, no one else is around. So I used one of my powers to sway the public vote.

Ok, I think I believe you then.

[gkrieg13]

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Jack Rudd (1): WestCoastDidds
scolapasta (5): MiX, Jack Rudd, Glooble, EFHW, Public
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl
MiX (1): scolapasta

Not Voting (2): Cylons, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.

So to those who think there was someone bussing, do you think it is more likely Jack Rudd or Glooble?

[gkrieg13]

This is the order I would choose:

Swowl
Jack
Glooble
Didds
Gkrieg

This can only help us with Special Counsel, so I don't see that as a reason to hold off.

I think I agree with this order, except maybe the top three being Glooble, Jack, Swowl, but I think it doesn't really matter in the long run.

[gkrieg13]

I think we should try to get through the massclaim quickly though, so we have plenty of time left in the day.

[EFHW]

Ok, Swowl you're up.

[EFHW]

This is the order I would choose:

Swowl
Jack
Glooble
Didds
Gkrieg

This can only help us with Special Counsel, so I don't see that as a reason to hold off.

I think I agree with this order, except maybe the top three being Glooble, Jack, Swowl, but I think it doesn't really matter in the long run.

Glooble has partially claimed, so let's hear from Swowl.

[faust]

Vote Count 4.2

Not Voting (9): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons, Dylan32, LaLight

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.

Dylan32 and LaLight have rejoined the game!

The following Executive Order is added to the Executive Order discard pile:

Course to Earth
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.

[Swowl]

cool. That simplifies things.

Everyone still want me to go first?

[Swowl]

sort of simplifies things.
I would like a confirmation that EFHW has won the presidency before claiming. But other than that I now have no issues at all.

[Glooble]

vote: LaLight

[Dylan32]

Ay, it's good to be back. So our mission was a success. We found Kobol, collected information about Earth (in the sense of being told we collected info, not so much in a we have specific things to say about it), and now we have the opportunity when the deck is reshuffled to set a course for Earth. Other possible outcomes that LL and I know about: Lie and instead of course to Earth, it would be Course to nowhere, although all of you would think it was a course to Earth; report the mission as a failure and nothing happens; sabotage the mission and both LL and I would have died. We both had a choice to make to determine that result, but we got to see each others choice, and we both chose to tell the truth about Earth.

Early in the trip, there was an event that required one of us to EVA to repair the hull of our ship, but it exposed the person to radiation. I did the repairs, and during a period of time that mirrored the night phase you all went through targeted me with his curing ability. I was able to "track" (modified special ability specific to that phase of the trip) him to see that he did in fact treat me. So I can confirm LL told the truth about his ability with like 99% confidence. That 1% only is in play if exposing yourself to radiation does not result in an immediate private message that you are in fact sick. So if there is a message in a day or so about me like the one from scola at the start of the day, then LL lied about the ability he targeted me with on the trip.

LL and I fullclaimed to each other before you all started the mass claim out here, so we can go at the end of the order since we can at least make sure the other person's claim doesn't change.

[Dylan32]

I'm going to try to split thoughts into separate posts instead of wall posting, because I have a lot of thoughts.

[Dylan32]

To me, unless a straight up cop says otherwise, LL and EFHW are both IC in my mind: LL for choices on the trip that reinforced my former townread, EFHW for using two votes to make sure scola was eliminated. Scum does that exactly 0% of the time there. I was skeptical about EFHW until finding out about the public vote, and assuming that is actually verified clinches it to me.

[WestCoastDidds]

Dylan and LL need to move to the top of the claim list.

[Swowl]

Dylan and LL need to move to the top of the claim list.

At a minimum one of them should be up on the list.
If they can verify they were "Removed" and were unable of messing with our actions last night, whichever one it is can even go after me, I don't care.

[Dylan32]

There has been shocking little observation about the flavor of that last flip given how much dialogue there had been in prior days about race and alignment and the implications "cylon extremist" had.

I've never watched the show, but I've read a bit on the wiki. If you look for a "resistance" on any BSG wiki, all I can find is info about a human resistance group. Not every member was human, but most were and finding out one of the members was a cylon was a surprise to them all.

Throughout the aftermath of the gkrieg/mathdude claim, a few people were pretty adamant that we should be exiling cylons, because not only might they be an extremist, but they were probably also the scum team. For a bit I was one of those people, but I already explained why I thought that was the case early in the game. Finding out how the cylon vote actually worked completely wiped out that line of reasoning for me. But a few people kept it up even after we knew the extremist faction existed and that the cylons vote was that faction. It seems very likely that scum was pushing that line of thinking in order to get another misexile or two through before we learned for sure that a normal red scum faction existed AND that said faction is flavor named after a group of humans. For example, see scola in post #926.

Who else did this? Didds.

Kind of softly suggests it here, although it is framed towards the extremist faction pre-math flip.

Hey Dylan - spell it out for the slow folks here - why are you alive if ADK is dead?

I'm not trying to answer for Dylan, but the way I read his explanation it is that it was a wincon requirement that they both be alive, rather than something that tied them together in death.

More thoughts about cylons....

If there is a cylon-extremist faction, it is probably made up of cylons. The "cylons" vote is definitely anti-town to me, and just by virtue of the hidden vote mechanism it suggests there is daychat among them. I am also assuming that the "cylons" vote comes from, you know, cylons. Dylan thinks that he might be a cylon, but he is not part of the cylon vote, but he doesn't actually know if he is a cylon or not.

gkrieg says math is a cylon. We don't know if he is voting with the "cylons" yet, but still, all in all, I think cylons are not good for us.

Holiday weekend, y’all, so I’m expecting low ability to participate.

Having read everything, I am still of the opinion that cylons are not good for us. I also think that if gkrieg’s cop power returns that kind of result, it must be significant in some regard. It seems pointless to have it as a power if the implication of a result is meaningless.

Vote: math

I’m not sold on the idea that math is scum, but I’m still mulling the idea that there might be lots of competing factions, so perhaps scum isn’t the point. I don’t have any good reason to think he’s town.

I still think we should exile a cylon. Math seems somewhat less scummy than Jack. But I think there is no way they are both town. The results, and the responses to them, are confusing to me.

EFHW noticed that pattern in the next post:

scola and Didds are looking scummy to me for their continued support of Cylon=scum. Last game there was a Cylon-aligned scum faction and there were still human-aligned Cylons. I don't like the way gkrieg and math have played their hands, but they are feeling more town. Maybe because they have been more active.

scola perseverating on the results thing seems unnecessary - it's pretty clear the role description just said "investigate" without saying why you would want to know the answer.

vote: scolapasta

I was all set to vote Glooble, but now I'm not sure what to think of his response. Glooble, is your role negative utility for town?

Here, Didds uses mathdude's "result" of cylon on Jack as to keep pushing for the exile there, which is grounded on the assumption that cylon inherently is scum, since a different kind of baddie would most likely be scum unless we are just in multiball.

I can see Math having a result on a Jack (presumably a different kind of baddie) and sharing it knowing that if we brighter Jack, and he flipped baddie, that he’d get an ish-ton of towncred as a result. I don’t think that’s a stretch at all.

Didds was also the first person to suggest letting scola live since they were going to die anyway (as far as I can find without rereading literally everything).

Whew! Thank you, faust. I’m glad you’re okay.

I was voting for gkrieg because I was annoyed at him for shutting down the LL discussion. There isn’t a real wagon there…just two rather rando votes. I think my vote was actually much better placed on

Vote: Jack

I do not have a case on Jack other than math’s result, which was obviously suspect, but he did have investigative powers so not entirely based on nothing. Moreover, while I can’t point to anything Jack has done that is scummy, I also can’t point to anything that is helpful. I recognize that helpful/not helpful is not a terrible impressive decision calculus, but that is where I’m at. I know it can be hard to get into a game when you don’t know quite how to go about it, but I find his lurking to be exactly in line with his first game scumplay.

I am curious about Scola. It is clear that he will die if he doesn’t get some cure, so we either wake up tomorrow with a flip, or he is still here and we know that there is either another curing doc or he doses himself. I’m willing to wait that out because more information will be revealed than would be if he was exiled.

His predicament leads me to think a no exile day wouldn’t be the worst. I’m not sure enough yet to advocate for it, but if he town and he’s going to perish, I’d rather not get it wrong and misexile someone so that we find ourselves tomorrow with a much smaller set of green team.

I just don’t have a strong enough sense or anyone else to risk losing them. Swowl and EFHW are slightly shady to me but only in the sense that I don’t feel us towncoring as strongly as we have in the past. Gkrieg and Glooble are hot and cold in terms of activity, but are generally helpful when they are here. I decided when I became the admiral to trust MiX. Our choices of XOs have generally tracked together and I think are pro-town choices with the exception of Kobol which I now see as not at all helpful, but that wasn’t MiX’s fault.,

Pushes that idea harder here

Claiming would be so much better if LL was here. I'm still saving it for when he arrives.

I might do it today but eeeeeeeeeeeeh it's not like exiling scola today matters, right?

I think that is right. I really do think we get more information about scola if he isn't exiled and we see if he actually has cures he can use or if LL comes back if he is actually willing to help or if we have another doc. If he survives, he can tell us more or we can exile him. I honestly don't see much downside to giving him another night.  BUT...I know I miss things, so if there is a flaw in my thinking, please let me know.

and here

I am cool with a Jack exile or no exile.

I don’t see the upside to exiling Scola. If he doesn’t cure himself, he dies. It’s like an exile we get for free! I do not have strong scummy or no vibes, but I’m not willing to trust MiX on exiling him now  without more information.

I’m heading out for the afternoon/evening (happy weekend everyone!) so I’ll be around just before I go to bed tonight, but likely not at deadline.

She then followed gkrieg in supporting the theory that EFHW was just trying to bus scola with the X-1 vote, which I guess isn't an inherently scummy opinion, but it is incorrectly grabbing at something to try to make someone else who would otherwise get town points look scummy.

Hmmm...  I am not as sure as Swowl and Glooble that this is a bad case on face.  (I'm not advocating, just thinking it through)

Scum narrative.... In the morning, the only people around were EFHW, Scola, and MiX. Jack was already voting for Scola.  If EFHW is Scola's partner, it would make sense that she was up and wanted to see if he made it out alive. She can increase her credibility and create some distance between them by bussing Scola.  It's an hour until deadline and no one is around because it is before dawn for WCD, Swowl, and gkrieg. The cylons vote hasn't moved...there is no else that can vote for scola who is awake. She can make that vote and be mostly sure that he would not be hammered.

I'm not sure that takes huge leaps of imagination. Really, the only question is does EFHW bus her partner in a situation where she can be fairly certain that they will not be exiled.

Glooble... what would have have been the riskiness of that move?

I hadn't really intended for this post to turn into a case on Didds, but I guess it is.

ppe 2

[Dylan32]

Dylan and LL need to move to the top of the claim list.

At a minimum one of them should be up on the list.
If they can verify they were "Removed" and were unable of messing with our actions last night, whichever one it is can even go after me, I don't care.

--snip--

faust, can the special counsel card be used on Dylan?

Special Counsel, as any action, can only target players that are in the game at the time of enactment.

We weren't in the game, and you couldn't do things that targeted us, so why would we be able to target you? We didn't have a normal night anyway. We had a point where we could privately choose to do 1 of 4 things, and one of those things was to target the other person with one of our regular abilities. Another option was to see which of the 4 the other person on the mission chose. I chose to see what LL did, and I got confirmation LL did the one that targeted me with one of his abilities.

Now to claiming, how does having one of us jump the order help anything? There was a NK while we were gone and unable to target any of you. Unless we have a 4 person (+?) scum team WITH an at least two person 3rd party, one of us is for sure town, so neither of us can really change our story from what we said before. Moving either of us up in the order just gives scum more info to craft potential fake claims.

[Dylan32]

Really, if either of us is scum, we're already locked into our claim because the other person will call out the change. Even if you think neither of us are town, we aren't both scum because NK, and we probably aren't both cylon extremists because of numbers and game balance, so even if we are each one of those, we aren't the same team and would call each other out. There is no upside to either of us going early in the order.

[Dylan32]

No upside for town anyway, if you are scum (like I think Didds probably is), then yeah I get why you want us at the top so badly.

[Dylan32]

Oh, and I'm probably going to vote for Didds, but I'm gonna wait until after the mass claim anyway.

[Dylan32]

Another random thought: I don't believe there's any chance scum was busing scola on that final wagon. If there had really been 5 people on the wagon, maybe, but the way things were going and the fact EFHW had to use two votes to make it happen, scum was off wagon.

[Dylan32]

Another random thought: I don't believe there's any chance scum was busing scola on that final wagon. If there had really been 5 people on the wagon, maybe, but the way things were going and the fact EFHW had to use two votes to make it happen, scum was off wagon.

The only possible exception to that in my mind is maybe Glooble because of posts #1000 and #1029 where they echoed the "why exile scola if he's dying anyway" and then agreed when scola threw suspicion at MiX during the claiming conflict, but then at #1060 voted for scola. At that point, it's possible that they thought scola would escape the exile and busing before not being on at the deadline was a good idea, but also they could have voted for Jack or something and maybe built momentum that direction instead. On the whole, probably not busing, but is basically the only possible busing narrative I saw.

[LaLight]

oh, we're back! I'll be here tomorrow, everything Dylan said about the trip is true.

[Glooble]

Not to derail the claiming plan, but I'd really like to hear from both Dylan and LaLight as to why they immediately volunteered for the mission before there was any time for town to discuss who was going. Especially LaLight, given the whole "I can save scola! Bye!" situation.

[Dylan32]

Not to derail the claiming plan, but I'd really like to hear from both Dylan and LaLight as to why they immediately volunteered for the mission before there was any time for town to discuss who was going. Especially LaLight, given the whole "I can save scola! Bye!" situation.

My answer is simple. I thought the course to Kobol sounded interesting during the post-game voting. As soon as I saw that a couple people would get to do something unique, I thought it sounded fun and did it. I had already posted when I realized I should have probably waited in order to see if there was a way to use that "correctly." I won't speak for LL on why he went, but I will say neither of us thought we would be gone as long as we were.

I know not everyone will think this, especially if you are scumreading one of us, but honestly I think the fact we were the two people on that mission ended up being a very good thing for town. Having LL on that trip gave an opportunity to prove the radiation treatment nearly beyond a shadow of a doubt, which is huge given MiX and scola's claims and flips. I was a good option to be on the trip for reasons that I can only elaborate on after claiming I think.

[EFHW]

sort of simplifies things.
I would like a confirmation that EFHW has won the presidency before claiming. But other than that I now have no issues at all.

This feels like stalling. Who is president doesn't matter. There is a town consensus on claiming and on you going first.

I think Dylan has a point about he and LL keeping each other honest and I don't care where in the order they are. Dylan and LL, did you also claim actions you took during previous nights?

[gkrieg13]

I’m fine putting them at the end of the claiming order. Swowl should claim in his next post.

[gkrieg13]

vote: swowl

[Dylan32]

sort of simplifies things.
I would like a confirmation that EFHW has won the presidency before claiming. But other than that I now have no issues at all.

This feels like stalling. Who is president doesn't matter. There is a town consensus on claiming and on you going first.

I think Dylan has a point about he and LL keeping each other honest and I don't care where in the order they are. Dylan and LL, did you also claim actions you took during previous nights?

Yes we did.

[Dylan32]

Oh, on the claiming order, I would rather have Didds move up ahead of Jack and Glooble (and maybe swowl too), but outside of that I'm fine with the order. If it were 100% up to me I'd flip glooble and Jack too, but that early doesn't matter that much.

[LaLight]

Not to derail the claiming plan, but I'd really like to hear from both Dylan and LaLight as to why they immediately volunteered for the mission before there was any time for town to discuss who was going. Especially LaLight, given the whole "I can save scola! Bye!" situation.

i was excited for aomething completely new and amazing (which it was)

[faust]

Vote Count 4.3

LaLight (1): Glooble
Swowl (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (7): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Swowl, Cylons, Dylan32, LaLight

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.

The Presidential election ends July 22, 2021, 03:45:00 pm, in about 10 hours. Until then, you may to cast and change your vote in your QT.

[LaLight]

yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)

[WestCoastDidds]

Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.

I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.

Those are not scummy ideas.

1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.

2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.

LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.

[EFHW]

yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)

Please say more about your suspicion of Dylan while we are here waiting for Swowl.

[Dylan32]

Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.

I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.

Those are not scummy ideas.

1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.

2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.

LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.

I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.

To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?

[Dylan32]

yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)

Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.

I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.

Those are not scummy ideas.

1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.

2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.

LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.

I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.

To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?

Didn't notice. I'm multitasking work, and thought I had the thrust of what you were saying. I haven't seen the show. The green people have been human-aligned.  I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. The red flip didnt say human resistance, so eh...I'm still thinking cylon, but it doesn't really matter.  Resistance = bad.  I can be wrong about that the cylons, obviously, but I am not sure what difference it makes unless you know one of us has a result that you are a cylon and you are trying to head it off.

[WestCoastDidds]

yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)

Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.

That LL is scary good at this game?

[Glooble]

vote: swowl

cause this is slowing down the game.

[Dylan32]

Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.

I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.

Those are not scummy ideas.

1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.

2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.

LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.

I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.

To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?

Didn't notice. I'm multitasking work, and thought I had the thrust of what you were saying. I haven't seen the show. The green people have been human-aligned.  I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. The red flip didnt say human resistance, so eh...I'm still thinking cylon, but it doesn't really matter.  Resistance = bad.  I can be wrong about that the cylons, obviously, but I am not sure what difference it makes unless you know one of us has a result that you are a cylon and you are trying to head it off.

I've said all along this game that my character was definitely a cylon in the show, and while I don't technically know that I am one mechanically in the game, I think it's most likely. If you want to go back and read my earlier comments, this is a big part of why I agreed with you earlier that cylons, more specifically those cylons who controlled the faction vote, were anti-town, since I am (probably) and I had nothing to do with the vote. My assumption was that since I'm not connected to the cylons who did control the vote in any way, and I know my own alignment, those other cylons are bad. Now we know that there was a cylon extremist faction, which, even by name alone would suggest that not all cylons are part of it, unless we want to go down the line of reasoning that extremists are representative of the whole group...

Let's look at the flip that we had of the resistance leader. Scola was Samuel T. Anderson, resistance aligned. Copy and pasted from a bsg wiki, first couple sentences on his entry:

"Samuel T. "Longshot" Anders is a rook Viper pilot aboard Galactica and husband to Captain Kara Thrace.

Before the Fall of the Twelve Colonies, Anders was captain of the Caprica Buccaneers. On Cylon-occupied Caprica, he becomes leader of the human resistance until they are rescued by his future wife. He later becomes aware of his true nature as one of the Cylon "Final Five" (Crossroads, Part II)." bold added for emphasis

Now, the last sentence does say this particular character ended up finding out he was a cylon, however most members of the resistance were human, and had the specific goal of opposing the cooperation between the cylons and humans. If you read all of the flavor text faust has posted, this is exactly the scenario this game is playing out, so it seems very clear to me that at least from a flavor perspective right now, players with human flavor names are more likely than random to be scum, while those with explicitly cylon names are more likely than random to cylon extremists IF we believe there are still more members of that faction alive. In terms of game balance, I think that is unlikely, although I can understand why someone might think I could be that third member explaining why the vote didn't move while I was out of the game.

As to what difference it makes, to my eyes it is scummy to ignore the information that we have in order to continue pushing a narrative that cylons are inherently bad as opposed to all available evidence (and it's not exactly an inconsequential amount) points to, at least in terms of flavor, an inherently human resistance, because resistance-aligned humans absolutely are more likely than others to want to keep cylons at the top of the exile priority list.

Faust has done a really good job of following the flavor and realities of the show as far as I can tell in a way that still has kept the game interesting, so I just don't see this being a point that he would diverge on. Honestly, including the cylon 3rd party is in effect a balancing element to make sure some cylons and some humans are bad in a game where many of us have the same characters as last game. Obviously, we aren't going to just roll over the same bad people as scum every game just because the flavor means that person is bad. This season, having an anti-town 3rd party of some cylons and a more or less explicitly human resistance that were both respresented in the show is a great way to balance flavor and the mechanics necessary to keep the game interesting.

ppe 1

[EFHW]

I have to use my public vote power before the presidential election ends, if I am indeed most likely to be elected. I want to vote Swowl. It's a permanent vote. Reactions?

[Jack Rudd]

Faust, what happens if the brigging vote resolves before the presidential election does?

[faust]

Faust, what happens if the brigging vote resolves before the presidential election does?

The player with the most presidential votes at the time becomes President, but cannot enact an Executive Order that Day.

[Glooble]

I have to use my public vote power before the presidential election ends, if I am indeed most likely to be elected. I want to vote Swowl. It's a permanent vote. Reactions?

Dylan's point about the resistance makes sense to me, and it makes me like the Jack exile a little less, so I'm good with that.

[LaLight]

yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)

Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.

that... was the point, I'm sorry. experimented a bit with Awaclus' school of not telling your real reads. I do feel bad though

my scumread of you comes from your power and lovers wincon. I thought about lovers wincon as the one that can be winnable only by being town, but based on town wincon you can win as scum-lover and that pulled my strings

[Dylan32]

yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)

Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.

that... was the point, I'm sorry. experimented a bit with Awaclus' school of not telling your real reads. I do feel bad though

my scumread of you comes from your power and lovers wincon. I thought about lovers wincon as the one that can be winnable only by being town, but based on town wincon you can win as scum-lover and that pulled my strings

I mean, yeah, the lover wincon is completely independent of any other wincon. It's literally just you and your lover have to be alive at the end of the game, and the existence of the lover alignment was tied to actions taken last game, not anything to do with this game. So that point is totally NAI.

On the power note, I'll talk about that when we get to us in the claiming order, but from your comment everyone can reason out that I have (and truthfully claimed since why would I purposely claim something that could be seen as scummy if I'm scum and could lie anyway) a role that could have positive utility if I were scum. I could see why you think what you apparently think, but there's a strong case for why this is actually better to be in town's hands/not as strong for a hypothetical scum role as the plain, non-faust modified version of the role. Also LL, if you look at my role again, it has a built in very safe fakeclaim that I could have gone with by just excluding the part that you are scumreading.

[Dylan32]

I do have to say though, I don't recall Awaclus ever lying about his reads, he just straight up says nothing. Really not a fan of (and by not a fan of I do mean I think it's scummy) lying about anything. Withholding is totally fair and makes sense, but straight up lying is so rarely pro-town as to immediately raise suspicion...

[WestCoastDidds]

As to what difference it makes, to my eyes it is scummy to ignore the information that we have in order to continue pushing a narrative that cylons are inherently bad as opposed to all available evidence (and it's not exactly an inconsequential amount) points to, at least in terms of flavor, an inherently human resistance, because resistance-aligned humans absolutely are more likely than others to want to keep cylons at the top of the exile priority list.

I am not continuing to push a narrative that cylons are inherently bad.  I am saying that is what I think. I can be wrong. People can disagree with me. There is no case that I am making right now that hinges on cylon-ness, so it REALLY seems like you are just heading off a result. Otherwise, my opinion about cylons is irrelevant. No one knows if they are human or cylon.  The last sentence you have there "resistance-aligned humans" is not in evidence.  YOU are asserting that. It may come from flavor, but that doesn't mean that is inherently true. It is scummy of you to assert that humans are scum, make it sound like it is factual knowledge, and then bag on me for me for it.

I agree that faust is doing an awesome job at creating this game, but I don't think in this game or in any other that the flavor provides any sort of clue as to who the scum team is or, in this case, what they are comprised of since we all know that the characters, and likely species, were assigned before he rolled the teams. I am sticking to what I have learned in the game. 

[LaLight]

yes, EFHW is town for sure, I have a mild reason to believe Jack is town (more when I claim) and I still believe gkrieg is town. Out of the options left, I would vote Swowl or Dylan (sorry, partner)

Man, literally flipped 3 of your reads from what you said in the QT, bud, including calling me almost IC, so I don't even know what to make of this.

that... was the point, I'm sorry. experimented a bit with Awaclus' school of not telling your real reads. I do feel bad though

my scumread of you comes from your power and lovers wincon. I thought about lovers wincon as the one that can be winnable only by being town, but based on town wincon you can win as scum-lover and that pulled my strings

I mean, yeah, the lover wincon is completely independent of any other wincon. It's literally just you and your lover have to be alive at the end of the game, and the existence of the lover alignment was tied to actions taken last game, not anything to do with this game. So that point is totally NAI.

On the power note, I'll talk about that when we get to us in the claiming order, but from your comment everyone can reason out that I have (and truthfully claimed since why would I purposely claim something that could be seen as scummy if I'm scum and could lie anyway) a role that could have positive utility if I were scum. I could see why you think what you apparently think, but there's a strong case for why this is actually better to be in town's hands/not as strong for a hypothetical scum role as the plain, non-faust modified version of the role. Also LL, if you look at my role again, it has a built in very safe fakeclaim that I could have gone with by just excluding the part that you are scumreading.

look, first, let's talk about your role after you claim. Second, you are not even my top-2 scumread. I am sorry if I hurt your feelings, I truly am. It's just there was no inherently town actions from you and having your role and two lovers from different factions would be quite logical. All I am saying is not that I am super scumreading you, it's that I am not really townreading you.

[EFHW]

I'm not going to use the sway power. Swowl already has votes. I don't get the sense he will have a lot of defenders. Casting a permanent vote could become problematic and help scum if I become convinced later that Swowl is actually town.

[gkrieg13]

I'm not going to use the sway power. Swowl already has votes. I don't get the sense he will have a lot of defenders. Casting a permanent vote could become problematic and help scum if I become convinced later that Swowl is actually town.

I think that should be fine. I suspect that Swowl is scum, based on how long he is delaying our claiming, but I think we can easily exile him, even without your extra vote.

[Swowl]

Ya'll need to chill - Apologies for "slowing it down", but it has been like a day and I had work and a "wine walk" last night.

I still prefer to wait to make sure my town read is in charge of the deck, but if it is so important to everyone I will claim it up. So here you are:

I kept my previous character from S1 - I am Sharon "Boomer" Valerii. I am Human-Aligned (and only human aligned). I am Military.


I have 2 powers.

1. Vig Shot - It only works on Military players. If I use it I have to go outside and I get a radiation. (I did clarify that if I were to target a Civilian player I would still get sick, but the shot would fail.)
2. My second power is a passive-ish that plays off of my Vig ability. If I end the day voting for a Human, my vig shot will fail that night. (No, I am not informed. Yes, it will still allow me to shoot, and thus make me sick).


Night 1) I did not shoot.
Night 2) I did not shoot.
Night 3) I shot WCD.

I can piece it together for yall later today when I have time - but in the spirit of getting things rolling there is my claim.

It also leaves me at
Vote: WCD

PPe several

[gkrieg13]

unvote for now

[gkrieg13]

Jack, you're up

[Glooble]

keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?

I think this is a scum slip guys.

[Glooble]

Or Swowl is yet another third party. But Either way I'm not reassured.

[Swowl]

keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?

I think this is a scum slip guys.

gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.

[EFHW]

keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?

I think this is a scum slip guys.

I think you might be right. More later.

[Dylan32]

As to what difference it makes, to my eyes it is scummy to ignore the information that we have in order to continue pushing a narrative that cylons are inherently bad as opposed to all available evidence (and it's not exactly an inconsequential amount) points to, at least in terms of flavor, an inherently human resistance, because resistance-aligned humans absolutely are more likely than others to want to keep cylons at the top of the exile priority list.

I am not continuing to push a narrative that cylons are inherently bad.  --snip--

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1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.

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--snip-- I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. --snip--

Yeah, I mean, you can say you are just saying your opinion, but when you keep saying you think something is true in a game of mafia, then you are in some way pushing that narrative. You aren't doing so in a forceful way in this instance, and thinking that is what I meant might be why you took exception to my usage of the phrase. Like, compared to someone like MiX and the way he pushes his thoughts, you are completely different, but by repeatedly saying the thing, you are in some way trying to in convince people that your narrative-the story of the game as you believe it to be--is true.

After all, any time we try to define something as scummy or towny, we are asserting that the action is in some way either consistent with or inconsistent with the narrative that the person belongs to a certain alignment. When you state your opinion that cylons are baddies, that is an assertion that the story of the game is that cylons are bad just because they are cylons. So when I say you are pushing a narrative, I don't mean to suggest any sort of aggression or "I'm right and everyone else is wrong" sort of mindset at all! Like, I don't think you have been pushy, in case the verb "pushing" made you feel like that's what I was saying. I just mean you are holding fast to an opinion and repeating it in the thread, which is objectively true.

[Dylan32]

As to what difference it makes, to my eyes it is scummy to ignore the information that we have in order to continue pushing a narrative that cylons are inherently bad as opposed to all available evidence (and it's not exactly an inconsequential amount) points to, at least in terms of flavor, an inherently human resistance, because resistance-aligned humans absolutely are more likely than others to want to keep cylons at the top of the exile priority list.

--snip--
The last sentence you have there "resistance-aligned humans" is not in evidence.

--snip--

I didn't say all resistance-aligned people are humans like you kind of suggest. I even pointed out earlier that scola's character in the show was actually a cylon, even though for much of it he thought he was human, and as such it is easy to believe that his character in game was also cylon. I meant that humans who are resistance-aligned would be motivated to make sure cylons are exiled first.

[Dylan32]

Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.

I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.

Those are not scummy ideas.

1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.

2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.

LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.

I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.

To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?

Didn't notice. I'm multitasking work, and thought I had the thrust of what you were saying. I haven't seen the show. The green people have been human-aligned.  I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. The red flip didnt say human resistance, so eh...I'm still thinking cylon, but it doesn't really matter.  Resistance = bad.  I can be wrong about that the cylons, obviously, but I am not sure what difference it makes unless you know one of us has a result that you are a cylon and you are trying to head it off.

If people are going to call the "human-aligned" comment a scumslip, Didds used it first.

[EFHW]

So Swowl ended the day voting for gkrieg and decided to get radiation poisoning and shoot Didds. If it was me, I'd have been not voting or voting no exile the day before I tried using the vig.

The human-aligned could have been a typo. 50/50 there.

Did you have some reason to think gkrieg wasn't human? His claimed power would suggest human > Cylon.

[Jack Rudd]

I am Ellen Tigh. I am human-aligned. I am civilian.

My powers are:
The passive ability to see at night what's in the discard pile. We all already know about that.
A one-shot ability to trash the entire discard pile. I have used it, because I thought it would be amusing to see what the consequences were.
A once-per-night ability to expose someone to radiation poisoning, which then protects them from any other actions that night. I have not used this at all.

[Jack Rudd]

Correction: town-aligned; you've got us all doing this.

[EFHW]

I am Ellen Tigh. I am human-aligned. I am civilian.

My powers are:
The passive ability to see at night what's in the discard pile. We all already know about that.
A one-shot ability to trash the entire discard pile. I have used it, because I thought it would be amusing to see what the consequences were.
A once-per-night ability to expose someone to radiation poisoning, which then protects them from any other actions that night. I have not used this at all.

What does trash the discard pile mean? Is that why all those cards were removed at the start of today?

[Jack Rudd]

Yes.

[Glooble]

I’m next then? Cool. I have half an hour before my class starts.

I’m Tom Zarek. Town-aligned. I can continued to post and use my powers from the brig. I can’t vote and I otherwise count as removed from the game. This is the power I was referring to- my alignment does flip, so I basically become a tree stump IC.

I can rig a Presidential election once per game, but not for myself. I didn’t use it this time because it felt pretty likely that either EFHW or myself would win and I’m cool with either of those options.

My last power is that every night I can remove the most recently played executive order from the game. I haven’t done this yet. I misunderstood my power up until night 3, and thought it would undo the effects of the executive order. After learning the truth I still didn’t see the benefit of using my power.

That’s all.

[EFHW]

Does the removed power get removed from subsequent games as well?

[EFHW]

I am Ellen Tigh. I am human-aligned. I am civilian.

My powers are:
The passive ability to see at night what's in the discard pile. We all already know about that.
A one-shot ability to trash the entire discard pile. I have used it, because I thought it would be amusing to see what the consequences were.
A once-per-night ability to expose someone to radiation poisoning, which then protects them from any other actions that night. I have not used this at all.

What does trash the discard pile mean? Is that why all those cards were removed at the start of today?

What then was the turning point for MiX's incapacitation?

[Swowl]

So Swowl ended the day voting for gkrieg and decided to get radiation poisoning and shoot Didds. If it was me, I'd have been not voting or voting no exile the day before I tried using the vig.

The human-aligned could have been a typo. 50/50 there.

Did you have some reason to think gkrieg wasn't human? His claimed power would suggest human > Cylon.

I have been pretty clear in regards to thinking GK was potentially cylon. Red to be specific.
Also if I vote no one, and then shoot known military WCD. All we get is the flip of WCD. If she is skum, then yay... but if she is Town then I put us in the hole -1 and we learned nothing else for sure.

This way, imo at least, was way better. If WCD flipped Green, GK is cylon. If WCD flipped Red, GK is cylon. If WCD did not flip, then GK is human... which looks really bad for WCD given she was the only other one off Pasta.

[WestCoastDidds]

Ah, so much Come At Me, Bro for a Thursday.

I’m mobile, so I’m not going to quote Dylan’s case on me. Although it takes up a lot of space (I’m long winded so quoting me will do that) It really only has two main points….I think cylons are baddies and I thought we should let Scola die of radiation poisoning instead of exile.

Those are not scummy ideas.

1. I *DO* think cylons are baddies. I haven’t stopped thinking that since the cylons we flipped turned out to be baddies.

2. Scola… part of this I will explain when it’s my turn to claim (I will claim in EFHW order not in Dylan order because I do not like to be bossed around and Dylan appointing himself order-caller is scummy in a doc itself), but also when I went to bed MiX hadn’t claimed so the parts of scola’s story that didn’t make sense hadn’t been highlighted. I don’t think it is scummy at all to want to see how the radiation poisoning would have worked. I will admit that I didn’t find him particularly scummy, but I don’t think they really became clear until he and MiX got into it and that was after I went to bed.

LL’s opinion of Dylan further solidifies my belief that Dylan can’t be trusted. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were both baddies (one yellow, one red). I feel like I’m one of the few people actively scumhunting so Dylan coming for me is ringing all the buy scum alarms, but also OMGUS so there’s that.

I didn't appoint myself the order-caller. EFHW gave an order, other people said they were ok with it. I gave my feedback on it, but said I was fine with the order as given.

To point 1, what about the red faction flipping as "Resistance" and my point about the resistance in the show being a human resistance? Do you disagree with that, not notice it, or are you just disregarding it?

Didn't notice. I'm multitasking work, and thought I had the thrust of what you were saying. I haven't seen the show. The green people have been human-aligned.  I still feel like cylons are baddies because they are not human. The red flip didnt say human resistance, so eh...I'm still thinking cylon, but it doesn't really matter.  Resistance = bad.  I can be wrong about that the cylons, obviously, but I am not sure what difference it makes unless you know one of us has a result that you are a cylon and you are trying to head it off.

If people are going to call the "human-aligned" comment a scumslip, Didds used it first.

I’m on a plane and I literally sat here for like 30 minutes going @l”what the hell are you talking about?!? My qt says human-aligned. Right there it says it”. Then I looked at it again, and it’s the entry from the first game. Same QT fail. It’s been green both times and I’m the same person so I assumed the words were the same.

PPE the last 3 hours….

[WestCoastDidds]

I have not read what’s been written since that post of Dylan’s I’ replied to just now, but I’m changing planes so I wanted to get this out so we don’t stall.

I am Kara Thrace (aka Starbuck)

I have two related powers. At night I can go out beyond the border, when I do, I take radiation. While there I have two related choices. Copilot, which is essentially a bodyguard, and Defy Orders (1-shot) which means the target is informed that they were targeted by me and my action cannot fail.

N1, I didn’t do anything
N2, I used both copilot and defy orders on MiX. This is why I was joking around with him about trust on D3.
D3, I had radiation poisoning, which is why I advocated that we leave Scola alive. If he actually did have a cure I needed one because LL was gone. I can also describe the flavor associated with having poisoning if Dylan wants to test me.
N3, I didn’t do anything but I was apparently cured by MiX, unless there is another poison doc, because on D4 I was no longer poisoned. Since I wasn’t around to ask MiX to cure me at the end of D3, I assume that he read enough into my “wait and see” to figure it out. I didn’t get any notification that I had been cured, but I checked with faust and he said I was no longer poisoned.

This is very similar to my power in the first game, but in that game I had a faction restriction (target had to be military).

[WestCoastDidds]

Did a quick scan. Swowl shot me?!? Dude! I totally willing to vote for him now, but I’m not sure of the vote count.

[gkrieg13]

Still on phone so this is a nightmare.

I’m Felix Gaeta (military, town)

I have two powers,
My cop power to find if a player is a Cylon. When I got Cylon, the power went away. I knew it would go away when I investigated a Cylon.

And then each night I can put an executive order from the discard into the draw pile.

I put special counsel back in the deck N2, then did nothing last night. It isn’t clear to me which executive orders are good enough for town to go back in the deck, honestly.

[EFHW]

I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.

[EFHW]

LL, you go next then Dylan. Then I will elaborate further on my role.

[WestCoastDidds]

I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.

No idea. I didn’t target him. But the way my other power is written, with no one being able to prevent it, suggest people can mess with stuff. Still, I’m not sure why someone would mess with me.

[faust]

Vote Count 4.4

Swowl (1): Glooble
WestCoastDidds (1): Swowl

Not Voting (7): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Cylons, Dylan32, LaLight, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.

Presidential election results are in!

EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0

EFHW has been elected President of the Colonies!

[LaLight]

so. Other then my Medic power, that I used on gkrieg N1, MiX N2 and Dylan while we were off, I have a weird investigative power. So basically i can target abperson and try to look into their belingings and gather info. If I succeed I get a flavor blurb. If i succeed twice in a game, I can expose myself to radiation and trigger a turning point.

Night 1 I used it on scola and it was successful. I got a blurb that he had some maps of Cylon facilities, but my character didn't really understood why. N2 I targeted Jack and didn't find anything. I couldn't use more than 1 power on Dylan, so I used healing.

What I think after scola flip is that my power is a delayed cop basically - it's hard enough to pull off, I probably succesfully gather info if person is part of the resistance, and I need to be alive for many many nights so it would work, but maybe I'm wrong. But that's why I think Jack is probably town. Who knows.

Also yeah, I am still Karl Agathon and Town-Aligned

[LaLight]

when there was an option to use powers from the last game, I also didn't have any. And also I'm military

[Swowl]

So this is what we got so far. Feel free to update the BOLDED CONTENT...

1. Swowl - Boomer (Town/Military): Vig that only works on Military if they were not voting a Human previous Day.
N1 - nothing
N2 - nothing
N3 - shot WCD (fail)

2. Jack - Ellen Tigh (Town/Civilian): a) Can see Discard Pile, b) Can trash Discard Pile (one shot), c) Targeted Commuter? which causes the target to have radiation poisoning.
N1 - Discard Pile
N2 - Discard Pile
N3 - Discard Pile, and they removed all the cards from the Discard Pile.
Question - What was the turning point that should of been triggered when MiX died? I know it has been asked already, but if you caused the cards to be removed (assuming that is what happened) what was the MiX turning point?

3. Glooble - Tom Zarek (Town/Military): a) Can continue to post and use powers once brigged, but not vote or be targeted (they are otherwise removed from the game). b) Can rig a prez election for anyone other than themselves (assumed one time shot, but not verified) (has not been used) , c) Every night can remove the last used card from play (has not been used).
Question -

Does the removed power get removed from subsequent games as well?

4. WCD - Kara Thrace/Starbuck (*Town*/Military): a) Bodyguard, b) One-Shot; Actions that night cannot Fail.
N1 - Nothing
N2 - Targeted mix with Bodyguard and One Shot Ability
N3 - Nothing
Question - So... You got a message that you were sick with radiation? And you also got a mod confirmation that you were no longer poisoned when you asked, but like... you had to ask? Just to be clear.

5. GK - Felix Gaeta (Town, Military): a) Cop people until they get a "cylon" result; after that the ability goes away, b) Can put an card back from the discard pile to the draw pile each night.
N1 - Copped Math; Got Cylon
N2 - Put Special Counsel from the Discard into the Draw.
N3 - Nothing.
Question - When do you get to activate the Discard into the Draw Pile ability?

6. LaLight (Town, Opposite of Dylan: a) Radiation Doctor, b) Blurb Cop
N1 - Blurb cop on Pasta; got maps on cylon facilities
N2 - Blurb cop on Jack; got nothing
N3 - Healed Dylan from Radiation.
Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?

7. EFHW (Unknown/Military): Something that tracked WCD to Swowl on N3?

8. Dylan (No clue/opposite of LaLight): No clue.

[Swowl]

I have to use my public vote power before the presidential election ends, if I am indeed most likely to be elected. I want to vote Swowl. It's a permanent vote. Reactions?

why no vote? and don't say because you thought I was stalling - it was less than 1 IRL day from post to claim.

[Swowl]

Presidential election results are in![/color]

EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0

EFHW has been elected President of the Colonies!

Jack - were you the one vote?

[Swowl]

when there was an option to use powers from the last game, I also didn't have any. And also I'm military

Wish I thought of this before I went and summarized up the whole last post.
Everyone just claim out if you are the same or not so we don't have to look it up.
Everyone should also claim if they used their power Night 1 or not.

I did not not, nor could I, use my previous ability.

[Swowl]

So this is what we got so far. Feel free to update the BOLDED CONTENT...

*Snip* ---- missed this ----

Lalight is Military, therefore Dylan is Civilian.

[Swowl]

So this is what we got so far. Feel free to update the BOLDED CONTENT...

*Snip* ---- missed this ----

Lalight is Military, therefore Dylan is Civilian.

meh. add me to the quote fail crew.

[LaLight]

Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?

because that basically told me nothing. I didn't know scola was scum, so why he would has these maps was a mystery to me. I also didn't know scum was resistance aligned.

That actually make a lot of sense: if I gathered the info twice and I wouldn't know one of these people is scum, I wouldn't know what to do with this information; and now when I do know, one of them is already dead. Curious modification.

Then again it might be not a cop after all. I've no idea.

Also why am i an opposite of Dylan?

[LaLight]

Presidential election results are in![/color]

EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0

One of us didn't vote

[Swowl]

Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?

because that basically told me nothing. I didn't know scola was scum, so why he would has these maps was a mystery to me. I also didn't know scum was resistance aligned.

That actually make a lot of sense: if I gathered the info twice and I wouldn't know one of these people is scum, I wouldn't know what to do with this information; and now when I do know, one of them is already dead. Curious modification.

Then again it might be not a cop after all. I've no idea.

Also why am i an opposite of Dylan?

first military and first civilian to opt in go to kobol. lol did you not read it?

[Swowl]

Presidential election results are in![/color]

EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0

One of us didn't vote

Assuming that was EFHW.

[LaLight]

Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?

because that basically told me nothing. I didn't know scola was scum, so why he would has these maps was a mystery to me. I also didn't know scum was resistance aligned.

That actually make a lot of sense: if I gathered the info twice and I wouldn't know one of these people is scum, I wouldn't know what to do with this information; and now when I do know, one of them is already dead. Curious modification.

Then again it might be not a cop after all. I've no idea.

Also why am i an opposite of Dylan?

first military and first civilian to opt in go to kobol. lol did you not read it?

ah, that. i mean that sounded different like we had opposite powers or something

[Swowl]

Question - Why do you think you are a delayed cop if you immediately got results about cylon maps when you checked pasta?

because that basically told me nothing. I didn't know scola was scum, so why he would has these maps was a mystery to me. I also didn't know scum was resistance aligned.

That actually make a lot of sense: if I gathered the info twice and I wouldn't know one of these people is scum, I wouldn't know what to do with this information; and now when I do know, one of them is already dead. Curious modification.

Then again it might be not a cop after all. I've no idea.

Also why am i an opposite of Dylan?

first military and first civilian to opt in go to kobol. lol did you not read it?

ah, that. i mean that sounded different like we had opposite powers or something

yeah no. Also I was wrong. You made me look it back up.
All it means is that one of you are GTD Military, the other does not actually need to be Civilian...

The following Executive Order has been enacted:

Course to Kobol
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.

We must find our ancient home. This is the mission the government set out.

Today, each player may post Volunteer in the game thread. The first military player as well as the first player other than them to do this will be temporarily removed from the game, and gain access to a shared QT.

so pretty much, if I get the wording, you both just cant be military.

[LaLight]

now you made me look it up. turns out Dylan haven't claimed his flavor name (or I may be blind, there's a lot of messages in our QT , I remember I thought he was military, but maybe it was all a dream)

[LaLight]

oh, one more thing I forgot to claim.

At one point we were both gathering info on Kobol and then I got a blurb in my personal qt about Earth being swallowed in the fire of nuclear war. Dylan didn't get it, I don't know what to make of it.

But I'd support "Course to Earth" card. I know I don't really have a say in it again

[LaLight]

oh, one more thing I forgot to claim.

At one point we were both gathering info on Kobol and then I got a blurb in my personal qt about Earth being swallowed in the fire of nuclear war. Dylan didn't get it, I don't know what to make of it.

But I'd support "Course to Earth" card. I know I don't really have a say in it again

the thing I got was a vision, not what actually happened.

I guess I should mention one thing, for better or worse. For some reason I am not really seeing this game as a Mafia game, especially in the season 2. I know it is still a game of bad people we are trying to find, but I want to find and explore many possibilities faust put in here, so I try to make cool not-normal-mafia things happen. After I already was on course of Kobol, I have read that people wondered why I left instead of treating scola and I was like "damn I totally forgot I could do that". I felt guilty and I would of course feel guilty even more if scola would die of poisoning and be town.

I try to set my mind to mfia aspect, but I am so very interested how the story of going to Kobol and then to Earth would play out. But you shouldn't listen to me, I guess.

Also that was the peoblem with me forming reads. I did lie in QT with Dylan, but some of the things just changed: for example in QT I said I think EFHW might be scum, but then there was this public vote shenanigans and I changed my mind instantly. I said I thought Jack scum, but then I thought about implication of my role. And then I realised I don't trust Dylan, and at that point I didn't really know how to break it to him, so I played a "gambit". Meh.

The reasons I didn't trust Dylan were that he didn't get the message that he was poisoned, that he didn't have a truly protown role (more after claim), that the reason I first thought he was town - being a lover - didn't really mean he couldn't win being scum as a Lover, AND that he got no info on Kobol, while I had that "Earth is on fire" part. We were supposed to gather info together and independently, but then there was no info in our shared qt, while there was some in my personal. And Dylan didn't get any, or hid it from me.

I just want everyone to realise where my mind is and is going. And Dylan, if you are town in the end - I am sorry, but I just laid down my suspicions.

[LaLight]

oh, one more thing I forgot to claim.

At one point we were both gathering info on Kobol and then I got a blurb in my personal qt about Earth being swallowed in the fire of nuclear war. Dylan didn't get it, I don't know what to make of it.

But I'd support "Course to Earth" card. I know I don't really have a say in it again

I mean ok, even from Mafia aspect, all this story should lead SOMEWHERE

[Jack Rudd]

Presidential election results are in![/color]

EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0

EFHW has been elected President of the Colonies!

Jack - were you the one vote?

I was not; I voted for EFHW.

[Glooble]

Presidential election results are in![/color]

EFHW: 6
Jack Rudd: 1
Glooble: 0

One of us didn't vote

I voted for myself. Not sure why it didn’t count.

[LaLight]

I guess there is someone with this power

[EFHW]

Dylan,  you're up.

[EFHW]

Thank you to all for your confidence in me.  I will try not to let you down. I gave up my powers - it seems like we have enough to deal with right now without adding a turning point.

[Glooble]

Faust says my vote was valid, which means someone has vote-manipulating powers they are lying about.

Also, the cards are only removed from this game- future games are unaffected.

[EFHW]

LL, if Earth on fire was a vision, why would you expect Dylan to also have experienced it? And why would you have visions anyway?

[LaLight]

LL, if Earth on fire was a vision, why would you expect Dylan to also have experienced it? And why would you have visions anyway?

Well, we were gathering information from some ruins on Kobol. I was expecting of getting said information in some form

[EFHW]

Faust says my vote was valid, which means someone has vote-manipulating powers they are lying about.

Also, the cards are only removed from this game- future games are unaffected.

The power to negate one person's vote for president seems pretty weak.

[LaLight]

Faust says my vote was valid, which means someone has vote-manipulating powers they are lying about.

Also, the cards are only removed from this game- future games are unaffected.

The power to negate one person's vote for president seems pretty weak.

it might negate all votes for a person? Maybe someone really wanted you to be a president?

[WestCoastDidds]

Hey y’all- I’m with family this weekend so more VLA than I’d like. Apologies.

Swowl, your question was if I was told I had radiation poisoning? Yes. I got no notification that I was cured, just no message that I was still sick. (There was flavor describing the sickness). I asked if I was still poisoned and faust said I was not.

[Dylan32]

So first, other than the reads stuff, LL's claim about his powers and actions was consistent with the QT claim.

I'm Caprica 6, same as game 1. My provided fake claim season 1 was Tom Zarek, which is why that is what I claimed then. I'm a civilian.

My personal character arc (which no-one else has claimed at all but it's relevant) in both games has been love conquers all, for which both my lover and myself need to be alive at the end of the game. Game 1 that was the person I targeted with a 1-shot action (ADK), this game as a result of that ADK and I have the additional alignment lover-aligned, which just adds the survival wincon like I said earlier.  If both of us kept the same character as last season we would gain an additional power, which I believe for me is an X-shot passive bulletproof ability that is only active under a certain condition (that LL knows but I think is better to not tell scum).

I'm responsible for Glooble having 0 votes. As LL alluded to, during presidential elections I can keep all votes for a single player from counting. Of the 3 candidates, Glooble was the one that I'm least confident about being town, EFHW was by far the most clearly town, and given people's opinions of Jack I knew he wouldn't win, so I figured Glooble was the only person who might get the votes to beat EFHW, so I cancelled it.

The ability LL apparently doesn't like is probably this one. I have a radiation, blocking, investigative role where I can target up to 2 people, any actions they take will fail, and I receive a list of everyone who was targeted by abilities that were blocked. For example, I target my top 2 scumreads, if I successfully block the NK, I would have a list of people, one of which was probably the target and thus not scum as well as a 50/50 on who the killer was.

I have taken no actions at night this game, and I already said everything of import that happened on the trip.

I did not receive a vision or any private information about earth. I do agree with LL that if we get the chance, enacting course to earth would be fun, if for no other reason than to see the conclusion to the storyline that our trip started. Also, there seemed to be only one path that we could take to lead to actually going to earth, while there were a lot of opportunities to derail it, which makes me think if scum or some other party went, there would have been motivations to sabotage the trip, and since it didn't happen, I'm inclined to think it's good for town.

[Swowl]

did anything beneficial come from the trip?

[Swowl]

You seem very confident LL is town.

How did yall decide not to "derail"? was it like a vote thing or what?

[Dylan32]

I did not receive any private notifications about getting sick or being cured on the trip. There was a thing where one of the two of us had to publicly choose to do a thing, and whoever did it would be irradiated. LL knows I did the thing, and I know LL targeted me, so I'm guessing EITHER you don't get told that you have radiation poisoning immediately at all OR I didn't get anything because the condition did not last through a real game phase. Like there was no day/night cycle for us while we were gone, just a series of "you have 2 or 3 days to make a choice in this thread/in your private thread now, this happens as a result" kind of things, one of which I did a thing that exposed me to radiation, the next of which LL claims to have treated me. In that choice, I saw for sure that LL targeted me with one of their normal actions, but I don't technically know for sure what the action is. The fact I still haven't heard anything privately about being sick makes me believe he did treat me.

ppe 2

[Dylan32]

did anything beneficial come from the trip?

Nothing concrete other than the ability to set a course for earth if we enact that as far as I know.

You seem very confident LL is town.

How did yall decide not to "derail"? was it like a vote thing or what?

Most of my confidence is from what I just said about verifying to some degree of certainty that LL was telling the truth on a D1 claim, and that I don't think scum would have 2 doc type roles in light of scola's flip.

Yeah, we each could make a choice, and if at least 1 of us chose a different option, different things would happen. We both chose to tell the truth. Other options on the final choice were as follows (paraphrased).
Lie, in which case publicly it would show up the same to all of you as far as course to earth, but in reality it would be a course to nowhere.
Report back that the mission failed, and nothing happens.
Ruin the mission, if one of picked it, we both die.

Actually, as I'm looking at it, I think if one of us told the truth and the other lied, two copies of course to earth would be added but one would be real and the other secretly course to nowhere.

Our choices on that were public, so we both know for sure what the other person picked.

[LaLight]

confirming everything Dylan said. more thoughts tomorrow

[Dylan32]

Vote: Didds

This is just following through on the read from the case I said earlier now that we've all claimed. Nothing's really happened to change that. I'm not really sure what to think about Swowl's claim. I mean I don't know if they would claim to have tried to kill and failed as scum, but maybe.

[WestCoastDidds]

My best guess is that LL is yellow and Dylan is red. Which means there is likely another red player from those of us left behind. There are too many players for it to be a vast majority of town.

MiX was killed last night. If I had killed him, EFHW would know.

[EFHW]

I am still Dee. My night power is a tracker limited to civilian targets. If I expose myself to radiation,  my tracking cannot be redirected, I'll find out what kind of action a civilian took, and I can track military targets. N1 I targeted MiX and got Dylan as the result. N2 I targeted Glooble and got no
result, which is consistent with his claim of taking no actions. N3 I exposed myself to radiation and targeted Didds. I got Swowl as the result. I now have radiation poisoning.

The Didds discrepancy is a problem. I wasn't redirected, but she claims to have taken no action N3. And Swowl does seem to have possibly been roleblocked. Or gkrieg was human.  Or ....

Can anyone think of a scenario where Didds could be telling the truth?

[Dylan32]

vote: math

Town vig kill this man if math flips town btw.

I know you exist, and you might not be town, but you might be listening to me, and you might even trust me.

Went back to read MiX to see what he said since he was a big part of pushing out math and scola both and I wanted to see if there were any other insights. Found this. This at least suggests Swowl is not scum since he's the only one who claimed vig.

[LaLight]

vote: Didds

finally a result

[LaLight]

I am still Dee. My night power is a tracker limited to civilian targets. If I expose myself to radiation,  my tracking cannot be redirected, I'll find out what kind of action a civilian took, and I can track military targets. N1 I targeted MiX and got Dylan as the result. N2 I targeted Glooble and got no
result, which is consistent with his claim of taking no actions. N3 I exposed myself to radiation and targeted Didds. I got Swowl as the result. I now have radiation poisoning.

The Didds discrepancy is a problem. I wasn't redirected, but she claims to have taken no action N3. And Swowl does seem to have possibly been roleblocked. Or gkrieg was human.  Or ....

Can anyone think of a scenario where Didds could be telling the truth?

I actually try and don't see it... unless of course you're lying, but i would bet on Didds lying, tbh

[Dylan32]

I am still Dee. My night power is a tracker limited to civilian targets. If I expose myself to radiation,  my tracking cannot be redirected, I'll find out what kind of action a civilian took, and I can track military targets. N1 I targeted MiX and got Dylan as the result. N2 I targeted Glooble and got no
result, which is consistent with his claim of taking no actions. N3 I exposed myself to radiation and targeted Didds. I got Swowl as the result. I now have radiation poisoning.

The Didds discrepancy is a problem. I wasn't redirected, but she claims to have taken no action N3. And Swowl does seem to have possibly been roleblocked. Or gkrieg was human.  Or ....

Can anyone think of a scenario where Didds could be telling the truth?

I mean, a framer can make cop results flip, so maybe a custom ability could frame someone for targeting someone else? So I mean, it's maybe not impossible, but I can't think of any other way you could not do something but be seen doing something, and it's a whole lot simpler to just think that it's a lie.

[Swowl]

So I just spent like 30 minutes staring at the screen thinking of what it could be if not a lie.

outside game mechanics is the only thing I can come up with.

It is the combination of claims that makes everything almost have to be cookie cutter here.
If it was just "EFHW tracked WCD to Swowl", then there are things. Didds was messed with or EFHW was messed with.
If it was "EFHW tracked WCD to swowl and EFHW cannot be messed with", then it could be Didds was messed with.
However, if the claims are, as they are "EFHW cannot be messed with and they tracked WCD to Swowl ANDDDD didds says they took no action" Then there is no action for someone to mess with to mess with Didds. And since EFHW cannot be messed with...

Just whatever, If anyone has anything they can come up with... go for it... but  probably just one of them is lying, and I assume it is WCD.

[WestCoastDidds]

Swowl says he targeted me, but your result says I targeted Swowl? Is there some sort of reflector power that could make that happen? I really have no idea, and mechanics are not my strong suit.

EFEW, You could use the XO power on me. When it flips green, I become an IC…which creates another target for the kill, but might keep you alive another night.

PPE 1

[Swowl]

gah. I hate that I thought of this.

Jailkeeper on Didds. They don't target me because resolution, and my kill doesn't go through.

The idea alone is not enough to make me change my mind, but I wanna put it out there.

[Swowl]

wait that makes no sense. Efoo saw didds target me. Disregard me.

[faust]

Vote Count 4.5

Swowl (1): Glooble
WestCoastDidds (3): Swowl, Dylan32, LaLight

Not Voting (5): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Cylons, gkrieg13

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to exile. Day 4 ends July 26, 2021, 03:45:00 pm.

[Dylan32]

gah. I hate that I thought of this.

Jailkeeper on Didds. They don't target me because resolution, and my kill doesn't go through.

The idea alone is not enough to make me change my mind, but I wanna put it out there.

I don't think that affects anything. First of all, JK is usually a town PR, and nobody claimed that. But with JK Didds wouldn't know that she had been targeted in order to know that she needed to claim anything. It could have protected her from your kill, sure, but that still wouldn't lead to the claims and results that we see if I'm thinking about it correctly, which isn't a given at 2:30am...

[Dylan32]

wait that makes no sense. Efoo saw didds target me. Disregard me.

It would be good to have flipped to the last page to see this message before responding.

[Glooble]

This seems pretty cut and dry.

Vote: Didds

That’s L-1.

[EFHW]

Yes, but we also have Swowl. I believe he lied about his powers.  The decision to shoot after being on gkrieg, a likely human given his power, is pretty questionable. We've only had one kill each night. I think the yellows might not have an nk. Swowl claimed a killing power, so he is more likely to be a red.

[gkrieg13]

I will hammer Didds 

[EFHW]

Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).

Though I think I have caught Didds in another lie. She said she was a bodyguard, but wanted me to use Special Counsel as a way to possible stay alive.

[gkrieg13]

Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).

Though I think I have caught Didds in another lie. She said she was a bodyguard, but wanted me to use Special Counsel as a way to possible stay alive.

Yes I’ll wait, was just posting intent and that I would like to be the one to hammer.

[WestCoastDidds]

Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).

Though I think I have caught Didds in another lie. She said she was a bodyguard, but wanted me to use Special Counsel as a way to possible stay alive.

What is the lie there? The XO will tell you my alignment. There is no argument I can make because I didn’t take an action last night so I don’t know what is happening with your result. But I know my alignment and you all would, too, with the XO. It would make me an IC and attract the NK so EFHW would  live another day.

[EFHW]

Strongest evidence that Swowl is not yellow:

All that said, I don't know that Jack is mafia here.  I have very little to go on to read them.

If you made me pick one player, full on gut read, to be mafia, it's Swowl.  And I hate saying that, because Swowl never really seems like mafia to me.  This is especially true if the suspicion of Jack is warranted -- Swowl is obliquely supporting Jack while maintaining a throwaway vote on NGBED1LL.

ash was the nk that night.

The math exile:

Didds voted math at 558, #3 at the time. LL #4 and Jack #5 voted math at 616 and 629. Didds moved to Jack at 654. Dylan moved to LL at 661. Swowl #4 voted math at 719. Dylan came back #5 at 728, gkrieg hammered at 729.

The scola exile:

Neither Didds nor Swowl voted for scola.

[EFHW]

Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).

Though I think I have caught Didds in another lie. She said she was a bodyguard, but wanted me to use Special Counsel as a way to possible stay alive.

What is the lie there? The XO will tell you my alignment. There is no argument I can make because I didn’t take an action last night so I don’t know what is happening with your result. But I know my alignment and you all would, too, with the XO. It would make me an IC and attract the NK so EFHW would  live another day.

If you are a bodyguard, you would simply protect me.

[EFHW]

Ok, I think it's fine to take the longer path. Please exile Swowl tomorrow! I'm not going to use Special Counsel. It could maybe be worthwhile if we had no clue who was scum. Two nks either way, and a flip without risking a misexile. I'm optimistic we can end this game with just one more nk.

At your convenience,  gkrieg!

[EFHW]

There's going to be a turning point, though, because there's only 1 card. Hopefully it won't interfere.

[EFHW]

And because I will probably be dead.

[LaLight]

who, other than EFHW is irradiated now?

[gkrieg13]

vote: Didds

[WestCoastDidds]

I didn’t appoint a next up admiral so it will get a random military draw

[Swowl]

who, other than EFHW is irradiated now?

I think I am? I did not receive any blurbs or notifications about it though yet.
I should of been when I shot WCD according to my role though.

[Swowl]

Yes, but we also have Swowl. I believe he lied about his powers.  The decision to shoot after being on gkrieg, a likely human given his power, is pretty questionable. We've only had one kill each night. I think the yellows might not have an nk. Swowl claimed a killing power, so he is more likely to be a red.

I have explained this. And I think my reasoning is better than yours. That could be bias, but yea. I have nothing more to add about the choice. If I had to choose again, I am fairly certain I would do the same thing.

[Dylan32]

Yes, but we also have Swowl. I believe he lied about his powers.  The decision to shoot after being on gkrieg, a likely human given his power, is pretty questionable. We've only had one kill each night. I think the yellows might not have an nk. Swowl claimed a killing power, so he is more likely to be a red.

I have explained this. And I think my reasoning is better than yours. That could be bias, but yea. I have nothing more to add about the choice. If I had to choose again, I am fairly certain I would do the same thing.

Also, remember somehow MiX seemed to be confident that there was a non-scum vig/killing role out there. I have no idea if that was MiX saying something from a place of MiXian confidence, or if it was PR gained information, but it is something to keep in mind. It would make sense for the 3rd party group to have a limited kill ability like that as opposed to a regular kill, so I don't think Swowl is red, but he might be yellow.

[Swowl]

Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).

I do not understand this at all.

[Swowl]

Hold on a sec, though. If we catch the red scum, we win (assuming no nk and we no-exile).

I do not understand this at all.

OK I think I get it? Are you saying if there is no NK available then we just go no ex and win? That makes sense I suppose.

[EFHW]

who, other than EFHW is irradiated now?

I think I am? I did not receive any blurbs or notifications about it though yet.
I should of been when I shot WCD according to my role though.

You would have been notified.

[EFHW]

Yes, but we also have Swowl. I believe he lied about his powers.  The decision to shoot after being on gkrieg, a likely human given his power, is pretty questionable. We've only had one kill each night. I think the yellows might not have an nk. Swowl claimed a killing power, so he is more likely to be a red.

I have explained this. And I think my reasoning is better than yours. That could be bias, but yea. I have nothing more to add about the choice. If I had to choose again, I am fairly certain I would do the same thing.

I saw your explanation.  Can you show us where you stated thinking gkrieg was a cylon?

[Swowl]

beginning of day 3. multiple posts. big one is #903.

[Swowl]

beginning of day 3. multiple posts. big one is #903.

phone posting and IDK when twilight will end sorry, otherwise I would grab it.
But there is like... a lot... it should not be hard to find.

[Swowl]

also... you saw my explanation and then did not look back to see what I was talking about?

[EFHW]

also... you saw my explanation and then did not look back to see what I was talking about?

I was also on phone.

[Swowl]

also... you saw my explanation and then did not look back to see what I was talking about?

I was also on phone.

fair enough

[EFHW]

I went back now. I see the case on gkrieg, which I remember I privately disagreed with. But you didn't say anything there about him being a Cylon.

[Swowl]

I went back now. I see the case on gkrieg, which I remember I privately disagreed with. But you didn't say anything there about him being a Cylon.

My whole case was he was a cylon that could cop other cylons...

[Swowl]

I guess to be clear - I am on Team "I think the cylons are skum". If that helps clarify.

[faust]

Day 4 Final Vote Count

WestCoastDidds (5): Swowl, Dylan32, LaLight, Glooble, gkrieg13

Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Cylons

With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.

[LaLight]

I guess we have a twilight?

[faust]

Even the highest ranks of the human military apparently are conspiring to overthrow the current Human-Cylon governing body. It is good that you managed to unmask these conspiracies. And yet you wonder, how many such blows can your alliance still take?

WestCoastDidds has been sent to the brig! They were Kara Thrace, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:

• manipulative
• radiation, killing

Swowl is Admiral of the Fleet!

Night 4 begins now and lasts at least 48 hours. Night actions are due by July 26, 2021, 05:45:00 pm.

Reminder: Tonight, any player that has been removed from the game may choose one Executive Order that has been removed from the game. Any order chosen will be added back into the Executive Order discard pile.

There is no Executive Order currently in effect.

THREAD LOCKED!

[faust]

At last, some quiet. Have you finally managed to get this situation under control?

Noone has been incapacitated!

The following cards have been added back to the executive order deck:
Insurrection, Isolate Colonial One, Course to Kobol, Military Police Force

Day 5 begins! Thread unlocked!

EFHW is the President of the Colonies.
Swowl is the Admiral of the Fleet.

Executive order deck: 3 in deck, 0 in discard, 3 drawn

Vote Count 5.0

Not Voting (8): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Glooble, Cylons, Dylan32, LaLight

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 5 ends August 03, 2021, 02:00:00 pm.

[Jack Rudd]

Course to Kobol has been readded? Do the Cylon Extremists have a wincon of triggering X turning points, or something?

[EFHW]

I'm alive!

[Glooble]

More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.

Do we still want to kill Swowl?

[EFHW]

I think the two cards in the deck are Special Counsel and Course to Earth.

Lots of WIFOM in Swowl being admiral. Did Didds pick a partner to succeed her and then post (incorrectly, I believe) that it was too late for her to pick someone? Or is random.org that good and Didds would never pick a partner to succeed her?

PPE Glooble

[EFHW]

More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.

Do we still want to kill Swowl?

What are your thoughts?

[EFHW]

Thanks for the medical care, LL.

[faust]

Note that the card Military Police Force was also added back. This is now reflected in the start-of-Day post.

[Glooble]

More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.

Do we still want to kill Swowl?

What are your thoughts?

It might be safer to no exile and got for the "two days, two nights, no deaths" win con. The other option is "town is the dominant faction when the game ends" but we don't know what triggers the game ending in that case. It might not be eliminating all the scum.

[Swowl]

More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.

Do we still want to kill Swowl?

Nope.

[Swowl]

efoo - I gotta drop 1. I can just list them out or...?

[gkrieg13]

I'm good for a no exile tonight, and yes, I think you should list them Swowl.

[Dylan32]

Swowl, is Course to Earth one of your options?

I have information to share before we decide to no-exile but I want to know the above answer first.

[Dylan32]

Also, swowl, did you attempt to shoot last night?

[EFHW]

efoo - I gotta drop 1. I can just list them out or...?

Drop 1?

[EFHW]

efoo - I gotta drop 1. I can just list them out or...?

Drop 1?

Right, the XOs. Please do tell us.

[LaLight]

Thanks for the medical care, LL.

sure! i also gathered info on Swowl and found nothing. possibly he's not red if we assume that's what my power does.

[LaLight]

More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.

Do we still want to kill Swowl?

What are your thoughts?

It might be safer to no exile and got for the "two days, two nights, no deaths" win con. The other option is "town is the dominant faction when the game ends" but we don't know what triggers the game ending in that case. It might not be eliminating all the scum.

I like no exile.

Swowl why are you not irradiated?

[EFHW]

I get it that you guys think Swowl isn't red because of the no nk last night. What about his being admiral and Didds's odd "too bad I can't choose" when she actually could?

[EFHW]

I see how no exile could work. If nks start again then we start exiling again. I'm not opposed, but it feels very strange.

[EFHW]

I see Cylons can still vote.

[gkrieg13]

I see Cylons can still vote.

Yet, they didn't all of Yesterday right?

[gkrieg13]

I feel like there is probably a red person left. Will go back and look at interactions with Didds and scola later.

[Swowl]

efoo - I gotta drop 1. I can just list them out or...?

Drop 1?

Right, the XOs. Please do tell us.

Course to Earth
Special Counsel
Iso Colonial One

[Swowl]

Also, swowl, did you attempt to shoot last night?

Yes. I tried to shoot you.

[Swowl]

More evidence for the "yellow doesn't have a killing power" theory.

Do we still want to kill Swowl?

What are your thoughts?

It might be safer to no exile and got for the "two days, two nights, no deaths" win con. The other option is "town is the dominant faction when the game ends" but we don't know what triggers the game ending in that case. It might not be eliminating all the scum.

I like no exile.

Swowl why are you not irradiated?

I have no idea. Assuming it has something to do with WCD targeting me the previous night.

[Swowl]

I would like to know Dylan's results.

[Swowl]

or if you have any at all.

[Dylan32]

Ok, I figured you did. I knew you probably targeted 1 of two people, and I wanted to see if you would go ahead and claim me or EFHW.

So here's the deal. Someone tried to shoot EFHW in addition to swowl trying to shoot me. By PoE with swowl claiming targeting me (and consequently most likely not secretly targeting 2 people at once with different abilities), I know who it was and I blocked it, and I can block them again tonight after we no exile today, guaranteeing town the victory with a no exile tomorrow.

I am actually separate not green/not red faction that just wants course to earth to be enacted. Swowl and EFHW enact course to earth today, I block the kill and guarantee town the win. I will also tell who the red scum is that tried to shoot EFHW as soon as the order passes just in case they do actually have an ability to circumvent my roleblock.

"How can we trust you?" you are almost certainly thinking. It's because I'm going to be completely honest. We do have another half of the wincon that mirrors town's be the dominant faction when the game ends. We could have tried to play for that, and if I had let scum kill EFHW, it might have been close, especially if there is another faction out there splitting up what is left of the "town." Instead, I offer town a definite mutual win.

You could decide to exile me instead since I'm not town, but then you are left with claimed (attempted) killer swowl and another scum who attempted to shoot EFHW. So after another night between the two of them, who knows where things will stand in terms of balance and control.

[Dylan32]

Also, this is why I was so quick to jump onto the Kobol mission. I wanted at least one of my faction on the mission to see what happened/be able to influence it towards our goal of plotting a course to earth.

[Dylan32]

Also, in case Swowl is a separate faction that doesn't want this order passed, thanks to gkrieg's ability, we can exile Swowl today and then for sure accomplish the mutual win the next two days. So if that happens to be the case Swowl, just save us the time please

[Swowl]

do you only track kill attempts? I thought it was anything?

TLDR - how do you know someone tried to *specifically*  kill efoo?

[LaLight]

Ok, I figured you did. I knew you probably targeted 1 of two people, and I wanted to see if you would go ahead and claim me or EFHW.

So here's the deal. Someone tried to shoot EFHW in addition to swowl trying to shoot me. By PoE with swowl claiming targeting me (and consequently most likely not secretly targeting 2 people at once with different abilities), I know who it was and I blocked it, and I can block them again tonight after we no exile today, guaranteeing town the victory with a no exile tomorrow.

I am actually separate not green/not red faction that just wants course to earth to be enacted. Swowl and EFHW enact course to earth today, I block the kill and guarantee town the win. I will also tell who the red scum is that tried to shoot EFHW as soon as the order passes just in case they do actually have an ability to circumvent my roleblock.

"How can we trust you?" you are almost certainly thinking. It's because I'm going to be completely honest. We do have another half of the wincon that mirrors town's be the dominant faction when the game ends. We could have tried to play for that, and if I had let scum kill EFHW, it might have been close, especially if there is another faction out there splitting up what is left of the "town." Instead, I offer town a definite mutual win.

You could decide to exile me instead since I'm not town, but then you are left with claimed (attempted) killer swowl and another scum who attempted to shoot EFHW. So after another night between the two of them, who knows where things will stand in terms of balance and control.

ooh! I like this and believe you. also you have more than one of you in your faction, huh

[LaLight]

the only problem is that if we choose course to Earth, and you meet your wincon, you might be removed from the game. So if we do choose it, I would like you to claim who is was.

[EFHW]

I've been concerned about this given our wincon. 

Dylan, if you have the same phrase in your wincon, why did you say you win by us enacting Course to Earth? First you made it sound like we could all win together, then it sounds like only one faction can win. I don't think you are being as completely honest with us as you claim.

[EFHW]

You are saying you have two completely separate ways to win.

If you want to coordinate our efforts, we need to hear everything.

[Jack Rudd]

Sounds to me like Dylan's saying the third-party faction gets a win if either of its two win conditions is met, and one of those can be achieved in conjunction with a Town win, and the other can't.

[gkrieg13]

LaLight, do you have any idea what course to earth might do?

[gkrieg13]

Ok, I figured you did. I knew you probably targeted 1 of two people, and I wanted to see if you would go ahead and claim me or EFHW.

So here's the deal. Someone tried to shoot EFHW in addition to swowl trying to shoot me. By PoE with swowl claiming targeting me (and consequently most likely not secretly targeting 2 people at once with different abilities), I know who it was and I blocked it, and I can block them again tonight after we no exile today, guaranteeing town the victory with a no exile tomorrow.

I am actually separate not green/not red faction that just wants course to earth to be enacted. Swowl and EFHW enact course to earth today, I block the kill and guarantee town the win. I will also tell who the red scum is that tried to shoot EFHW as soon as the order passes just in case they do actually have an ability to circumvent my roleblock.

"How can we trust you?" you are almost certainly thinking. It's because I'm going to be completely honest. We do have another half of the wincon that mirrors town's be the dominant faction when the game ends. We could have tried to play for that, and if I had let scum kill EFHW, it might have been close, especially if there is another faction out there splitting up what is left of the "town." Instead, I offer town a definite mutual win.

You could decide to exile me instead since I'm not town, but then you are left with claimed (attempted) killer swowl and another scum who attempted to shoot EFHW. So after another night between the two of them, who knows where things will stand in terms of balance and control.

How did you block them, know they were targeting EFHW and be able to do it again?

[EFHW]

Town needs to know who is in this other faction, the name of the faction, who shot at me last night, and the source of Dylan's extra information. Does your faction have a method of killing?

I could alternatively ask everyone not in the faction to claim, but that puts you in the position of not being fully believed, which isn't a good way to establish a treaty.

I'll probably have more questions as we go along.

[Jack Rudd]

The other member of the faction is me. We're called the Believers, and we don't have a method of killing.

[Dylan32]

Yeah o block everything, but when the person I targeted shouldn't have a targeting ability at this point in the game based on their claims, they lied, and since they targeted EFHW, it was obviously a kill.

[Dylan32]

Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions. Nothing about it says the game ends. The other win condition about being the biggest faction at the end of the game would not be. By openly not playing for that one even though we might have been able to get course to earth passed without all of this stuff should show that I am actually working to get town the win as well.

[Dylan32]

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

[LaLight]

LaLight, do you have any idea what course to earth might do?

no, I don't. But I think it might be somewhat beneficial to town, because we had options to sabotage this mission and surely scum would do just that.

[Swowl]

Dylan's ability seems like.... very very strong. This is actually why I tried to shoot you - verification. Figured there was no world in which you do not choose me as a target, so either my shot kills you and you flip skum, or you blocked me and can verify me targeting.

I was actually gonna insist upon you going first, but when you "subtly asked me" at the start of the day, figured everything panned out.

[Swowl]

So just to be clear from the Believers - you have 2 win cons, and one is EXACTLY the same as ours?

[Swowl]

Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions.

why do you know this but LL doesn't seem to?

[EFHW]

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.

Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.

I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.

Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.

What do you Believe in?

[EFHW]

Swowl, are you yellow? If so, what is your wincon? Do you have motivation not to pass Course to Earth on to me?

[Dylan32]

So just to be clear from the Believers - you have 2 win cons, and one is EXACTLY the same as ours?

We win if we are the biggest faction at game end, the same way town would win if they were the largest faction at the end, yes.

Course to earth should allow both us and town to fulfill the win conditions.

why do you know this but LL doesn't seem to?

LaLight, do you have any idea what course to earth might do?

no, I don't. But I think it might be somewhat beneficial to town, because we had options to sabotage this mission and surely scum would do just that.

LL and I think the same thing here.

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.

Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.

I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.

Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.

What do you Believe in?

From flavor text in game, my guess is that course to earth is more of a thing that would be enacted this game with implications for future seasons based on it taking this long to be possible to enact it and it being involved in win conditions, so I don't think it will be a "Now a couple people leave and do something else this game" thing.

And no, you can't just easily win by exiling the red and waiting it out, because I'm not convinced swowl is actually green, and if he's not we don't know his wincon. The easy win is no exile today, I block the kill(s) again tomorrow night, and a no exile wins. If we exile today you would have to do two more days after this.

[Swowl]

Swowl, are you yellow? If so, what is your wincon? Do you have motivation not to pass Course to Earth on to me?

I am Green. I have no motivation to do anything other than figure out what in the hell is right play.
I asked you if you wanted to me to list the cards so you could literally pick whatever you want. You may tell me which one to dump.

The way I see it there is like a very very very small chance you are Yellow. And a very large chance you are Green. And a 0% chance you are red.

[Swowl]

Dylan - How are you going to win with us?

We off the last baddie.
No exile, No kill X 2.

Game ends.

There are currently 7 alive. 1 baddie, 2 believers, 4 town.

That leaves 4 town and 2 believers. Town has the largest faction at game end.

What am I missing?

[Swowl]

and I just re read EFHWs post and she has a point ... there is even the chance that there is more than one baddie left.

[Dylan32]

If course to earth is enacted, we could in theory win with anyone, but once it's done I will want the game to end as fast as possible, which means blocking kills and letting it end the next day, which is a town win.

Also, I received a correction to my results. Another name was added to the list of targets I protected, which means between my two targets, 3 people were targeted by abilities that were blocked, I have no idea what ability targeted which person, but it's almost certain that the 3rd target was not the kill since it was Jack.

ppe 2

[Dylan32]

Dylan - How are you going to win with us?

We off the last baddie.
No exile, No kill X 2.

Game ends.

There are currently 7 alive. 1 baddie, 2 believers, 4 town.

That leaves 4 town and 2 believers. Town has the largest faction at game end.

What am I missing?

Believers win if we enact course to earth. If I don't tell you who the last baddie is there is no guarantee you get it, which is why I'm not saying until the resolution is passed.

[Dylan32]

Like I said, I will tell who the last (most likely) scum is once course to earth is passed and Jack and I have filled a win condition, but then we no exile, I block the kills again, and a no exile tomorrow ends it. Any plan that involves either rejecting course to earth or exiling Red means the game will drag out longer, and since I now am pretty sure either swowl has a secret ability he hasn't claimed or Red has the kill and another unknown ability, there isn't a guarantee town will end up winning.

We also don't know whether or not there is another faction that is actually opposed to enacting course to earth the same way we want to enact it. If that is the case, town definitely might not end up being the largest by the time everything is over.

[Dylan32]

Oh, and if the concern is can two factions win at the same time, that happened in season 1 with ADK's undisclosed win condition.

[Dylan32]

And I don't know what you mean about the source of my info. Go read my claim. I can target up to two people, I block their actions, and I'm told who the targets of any actions that were blocked. My results were just a list of 2 names, not X targeted Y and A targeted B, which is why I asked Swowl who he targeted first.

I will tell who shot at EFHW in my very first post after the resolution is passed.

Ok, I think this is becoming clearer. We can win easily with the red name - exile that person and then wait out 2 days and 2 nights with no exile and no nk. In exchange you want to go to Earth.

Is there any way you can win with scum? I guess only if they were president. You go to Earth, they kill a townie, you exile, maybe with help from the yellow, etc, until you are the biggest faction. I'm assuming here that the Cylon vote means a yellow is still alive. We don't know their wincon. Maybe they can win with scum.

I'm concerned that Course to Earth could hurt town. That fire didn't sound good. Do you and Jack have to be the ones to volunteer, like you and LL did before? If you leave the game like before, then there are (most likely) 3 town and 3 non-town votes. If yellow allies with red while you are away, town could lose, depending on when/if you come back.

Let me check at what point an XO can be played. We need you to vote with us, so even if you give us the name now so we can cause an exile, you still have the power of your vote to keep us honest. The timing might be tricky and even impossible, though.

What do you Believe in?

To the bold, I actually don't know. I think in the show there was a religious element, but having not seen it I don't know exactly what it is. But the rediscovery of earth played into it I think in some way.

[EFHW]

I don't think no exile is the safest bet. So far we have only seen red having a killing power. How do we know they don't have a strongman? Or a roleblocker for you? Or a rolestopper. Or redirection. Best by far is to get rid of the danger and then have accelerated days and nights.

I'm uncomfortable with your reasoning here. Why be so set on no exile?

And if you and Jack disappear, you might not be able to block anyone overnight.

I'm irked by you trying to dictate all the terms.

[EFHW]

We can just exile gkrieg.

[Swowl]

@ Dylan - are you 100% sure that you are not removed from the game when travel to earth is completed?

PPE: EFHW got there first.

[gkrieg13]

We can just exile gkrieg.

You think it's me over glooble?

[Dylan32]

I don't think no exile is the safest bet. So far we have only seen red having a killing power. How do we know they don't have a strongman? Or a roleblocker for you? Or a rolestopper. Or redirection. Best by far is to get rid of the danger and then have accelerated days and nights.

I'm uncomfortable with your reasoning here. Why be so set on no exile?

And if you and Jack disappear, you might not be able to block anyone overnight.

I'm irked by you trying to dictate all the terms.

I literally stopped two kills last night. So we have 1 night done and only need 2 no exiles and 1 more night with me doing the same thing to end it. Exiling means you are taking the chance of getting red (you might not if you don't listen to me), that Swowl is green and doesn't kill (might not be), and that by the time you get everyone who can or will kill out that town will still be a majority (not guaranteed). I'm not really trying to dictate all the terms. I'm offering town the safest path to win and keeping just enough leverage (who Red is) to make sure I don't give that up and then get hosed.

[Dylan32]

Also, like I said in a later post, I got a mod correction indicating I did actually block 3 abilities last night, not just two, which means whatever 2nd ability Red (again unless it was actually swowl) has, I was able to block it.

[Swowl]

Also, like I said in a later post, I got a mod correction indicating I did actually block 3 abilities last night, not just two, which means whatever 2nd ability Red (again unless it was actually swowl) has, I was able to block it.

wait I'm lost. How could it be me? I tried to shoot you.

[Swowl]

also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.

[Swowl]

also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.

You still have like a little under a day or whatever, but just a reminder.

[EFHW]

We can just exile gkrieg.

You think it's me over glooble?

I was thinking that a human resistance group would like to have a cylon detector. And thanks to Swowl (sorry I doubted you Swowl!), we know you are human. Unless someone wants to claim blocking Swowl or protecting Didds N3.

PPE: 5

[EFHW]

also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.

I think you should pass on Course to Earth and Isolate Colonial One.

[EFHW]

also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.

You still have like a little under a day or whatever, but just a reminder.

Don't miss the deadline, but we could extra time if you can hold off a bit. I also only have 48 hours to decide.

[Dylan32]

Also, like I said in a later post, I got a mod correction indicating I did actually block 3 abilities last night, not just two, which means whatever 2nd ability Red (again unless it was actually swowl) has, I was able to block it.

wait I'm lost. How could it be me? I tried to shoot you.

Right, but if you are yellow you might also have a factional ability. This is why I think it was Red that did two things, an ability and a factional kill, but it isn't technically 100%.

The way you are being a bit defensive is ringing bells. Understand, I think you are most likely green. BUT, if there is another yellow or other faction still undiscovered, you are my first guess to be in it, and we won't know that until someone else flips, which if we go along with what I'm saying, we won't have to do for town to win.

[EFHW]

Dylan, you haven't addressed our concern that Course to Earth will remove you two from the game - maybe even before you can give us the name - and we will not have you to do any blocking. We are all taking risks here. If you want us to risk sending you to earth, you need to give us the name first.

[Dylan32]

Let me also offer this to town. LL, don't treat me tonight. I can block again, and then I'll be publicly confirmed with radiation poisoning the next day, and if things don't work out like I said, you can let me die.

ppe 1

[Dylan32]

Dylan, you haven't addressed our concern that Course to Earth will remove you two from the game - maybe even before you can give us the name - and we will not have you to do any blocking. We are all taking risks here. If you want us to risk sending you to earth, you need to give us the name first.

If you would agree to post at the same time on the forum, I would be willing to do that too. You do have my word that I have seen nothing to indicate we would leave the game. I mean LL can confirm, the flavor from Kobol suggested that we were reporting back our information about earth to the group, not just collecting it for ourselves or anything. Based on text I can't quote, I do believe we can achieve the course to earth win condition before the game ends, which at least means enacting it isn't a game over moment.

[Dylan32]

Dylan, you haven't addressed our concern that Course to Earth will remove you two from the game - maybe even before you can give us the name - and we will not have you to do any blocking. We are all taking risks here. If you want us to risk sending you to earth, you need to give us the name first.

If you would agree to post at the same time on the forum, I would be willing to do that too. You do have my word that I have seen nothing to indicate we would leave the game. I mean LL can confirm, the flavor from Kobol suggested that we were reporting back our information about earth to the group, not just collecting it for ourselves or anything. Based on text I can't quote, I do believe we can achieve the course to earth win condition before the game ends, which at least means enacting it isn't a game over moment.

Rather, you enact it in your QT at the same forum time as I post the name.

[Dylan32]

Or we coordinate to where we do what I said, you enact it, I post it, but while faust isn't online so that both can happen before any results of the XO happen. I would be having to take you at your word that you posted it there as a sign of trust.

[EFHW]

Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.

PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.

I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?

[Dylan32]

Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.

PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.

I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?

I did get confirmation that I am sick right now. I didn't on the Kobol trip, so you might be right about MiX shielding me from that D1, or it was just because of the weirdest of the trip itself that I didn't have time to get sick.

[gkrieg13]

So what of your original claim was fake, and what was true Dylan?

[gkrieg13]

Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.

PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.

I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?

I'm pretty sure Glooble pretty much has to be the other red player from my perspective. It is not Jack or Dylan, it is not EFHW or Swowl, and it seems like if LaLight had been scum, he would've sabotaged their course to Kobol.

If we no exile and have one more peaceful night, we will likely be able to win the game, so Dylan's plan makes sense. If he does end up leaving the game because of the course to earth, we would still be in a good place I think.

Now, it is possible that Dylan is not telling the truth, and that by enacting course to earth, the believers win alone. I would like to think about that some more.

[EFHW]

Just to clarify, you said target: X and Swowl. You got the result: Dylan, EFHW. The 3rd blocked action is from either X or Swowl and targeted either me or you.

What is the reason you decided Swowl was not the person who tried to shoot me?

[Dylan32]

Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.

PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.

I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?

Yeah, we both know if you and I were exactly flipped, we would both be doing basically the same thing here and trying to make sure we both get what we want, so just know I am trying to negotiate in good faith.

One thing I would like to point out to hopefully help you know I am genuinely trying to work with town in good faith is that I posted a pretty big case on Didds before the massclaim really got underway and any contradictions there were made, so I was really trying to help find the red scum rather than going along with what I thought would be misexiles in order to shrink town and play for the largest faction win condition.

ppe 3

[Dylan32]

So what of your original claim was fake, and what was true Dylan?

Literally the only part of anything I have claimed this game that wasn't true was saying I was also town/lover aligned while really being believer/lover aligned. Everything I said about my abilities and actions and mission to Kobol have been true.

[Swowl]

who has the ability to put something from discard back into the deck?

[Dylan32]

Just to clarify, you said target: X and Swowl. You got the result: Dylan, EFHW. The 3rd blocked action is from either X or Swowl and targeted either me or you.

What is the reason you decided Swowl was not the person who tried to shoot me?

Your first two sentences are what I said initially. When I went back to my QT to double check win condition wordings after Swowl asked about it, I noticed a note that my results actually should have been EFHW, Dylan, Jack.

[Swowl]

who has the ability to put something from discard back into the deck?

nvm plan wont work... there are too many cards in the deck already.

[Dylan32]

If 2 abilities targeted the same person, I wouldn't be able to tell. I am just given a list of people who were targeted by actions I blocked.

[EFHW]

Swowl, do you have radiation poisoning?

[Swowl]

Swowl, do you have radiation poisoning?

Not to my knowledge.

And I have clarified the following...

1. I do still get it if I fail
2. Failed actions resolve at the end

So I think whatever WCD targeted me with blocked me from taking an action... because I am not irradiated.

[LaLight]

Did you get a notice that you are sick? I think MiX probably protected you N1. That might have gotten used up on Kobol.

PPE: you won't be able to confirm that I did it until it is announced. But this proposal is more fair to us.

I want to hear from LL and Glooble and gkrieg. What are your positions on this negotiation?

i... don't know. I believe Dylan and I think his plan is good - we enact a thing, he tells us the last baddie, we exile them and we're golden.

[LaLight]

i think Glooble is red.

[EFHW]

Swowl, do you have radiation poisoning?

Not to my knowledge.

And I have clarified the following...

1. I do still get it if I fail
2. Failed actions resolve at the end

So I think whatever WCD targeted me with blocked me from taking an action... because I am not irradiated.

That seems super unlikely.  Have to look back if MiX claimed targeting you.

[LaLight]

then anyone could be yellow, but if they don't have the killing power, we should treat our sick and wait out until we win

[EFHW]

i think Glooble is red.

Can you tell us why?

[LaLight]

i think Glooble is red.

Can you tell us why?

PoE, to be honest

[LaLight]

and the fact he isn't very active, maybe waiting how we would play this out. I also lean on Swowl being town and gkrieg is probably a yellow one

[Swowl]

Swowl, do you have radiation poisoning?

Not to my knowledge.

And I have clarified the following...

1. I do still get it if I fail
2. Failed actions resolve at the end

So I think whatever WCD targeted me with blocked me from taking an action... because I am not irradiated.

That seems super unlikely.  Have to look back if MiX claimed targeting you.

It is literally the only thing that I can think of. I had written off mix option because of their skum read on me.  I have no other explanation.

[gkrieg13]

and the fact he isn't very active, maybe waiting how we would play this out. I also lean on Swowl being town and gkrieg is probably a yellow one

I would be the worst yellow player to every exist.

[Swowl]

and the fact he isn't very active, maybe waiting how we would play this out. I also lean on Swowl being town and gkrieg is probably a yellow one

I would be the worst yellow player to every exist.

got to agree with this.

[Dylan32]

Yeah, I just realized I don't even need to care what you do with the info, no exile and force the game end fast or exile red and see how it plays out, I will just follow EFHW's lead and you have my vote for whichever course of action you all decide on. If you trust me, the no exile would be the fastest, but once I tell you who Red is, you can play it out however you see fit.

[gkrieg13]

I think it is likely that the yellow faction has been eliminated and that the Cylon vote is just still there so that we don't know they have been eliminated.

[LaLight]

and the fact he isn't very active, maybe waiting how we would play this out. I also lean on Swowl being town and gkrieg is probably a yellow one

I would be the worst yellow player to every exist.

oh, right, dumb me

[LaLight]

I think it is likely that the yellow faction has been eliminated and that the Cylon vote is just still there so that we don't know they have been eliminated.

this seems quite plausible

[EFHW]

I think it is likely that the yellow faction has been eliminated and that the Cylon vote is just still there so that we don't know they have been eliminated.

this seems quite plausible

But not helpful. It's more prudent to proceed as if they still exist.

[EFHW]

Just to clarify, you said target: X and Swowl. You got the result: Dylan, EFHW. The 3rd blocked action is from either X or Swowl and targeted either me or you.

What is the reason you decided Swowl was not the person who tried to shoot me?

Your first two sentences are what I said initially. When I went back to my QT to double check win condition wordings after Swowl asked about it, I noticed a note that my results actually should have been EFHW, Dylan, Jack.

Can you address my last question? I looked back at your original explanation and didn't understand how you came this conclusion.

[EFHW]

We can just exile gkrieg.

You think it's me over glooble?

I was thinking that a human resistance group would like to have a cylon detector. And thanks to Swowl (sorry I doubted you Swowl!), we know you are human. Unless someone wants to claim blocking Swowl or protecting Didds N3.

PPE: 5

Lalight, what led you to disagree with me here?

[EFHW]

If course to earth is enacted, we could in theory win with anyone, but once it's done I will want the game to end as fast as possible, which means blocking kills and letting it end the next day, which is a town win.

Also, I received a correction to my results. Another name was added to the list of targets I protected, which means between my two targets, 3 people were targeted by abilities that were blocked, I have no idea what ability targeted which person, but it's almost certain that the 3rd target was not the kill since it was Jack.

ppe 2

Why would you want the game to end quickly? Does one of you need to be alive at the end of the game?

[LaLight]

We can just exile gkrieg.

You think it's me over glooble?

I was thinking that a human resistance group would like to have a cylon detector. And thanks to Swowl (sorry I doubted you Swowl!), we know you are human. Unless someone wants to claim blocking Swowl or protecting Didds N3.

PPE: 5

Lalight, what led you to disagree with me here?

i don't really see why they would need a cylon detector.

[Dylan32]

Just to clarify, you said target: X and Swowl. You got the result: Dylan, EFHW. The 3rd blocked action is from either X or Swowl and targeted either me or you.

What is the reason you decided Swowl was not the person who tried to shoot me?

Your first two sentences are what I said initially. When I went back to my QT to double check win condition wordings after Swowl asked about it, I noticed a note that my results actually should have been EFHW, Dylan, Jack.

Can you address my last question? I looked back at your original explanation and didn't understand how you came this conclusion.

I mean, you and I were both targeted, and when I asked Swowl if he shot he claimed he tried to shoot me. At that point I don't think I had said who my results were on, so I believed he was telling the truth about shooting at me.

If course to earth is enacted, we could in theory win with anyone, but once it's done I will want the game to end as fast as possible, which means blocking kills and letting it end the next day, which is a town win.

Also, I received a correction to my results. Another name was added to the list of targets I protected, which means between my two targets, 3 people were targeted by abilities that were blocked, I have no idea what ability targeted which person, but it's almost certain that the 3rd target was not the kill since it was Jack.

ppe 2

Why would you want the game to end quickly? Does one of you need to be alive at the end of the game?

Would you want the game to drag out longer after you've already won and don't have a stake in the results anymore? There's nothing that I can see that says we have to be alive to win.

[Dylan32]

Hence why I offered to let myself for from the radiation poisoning after tomorrow night if things don't go the way I said they will.

[Dylan32]

Hence why I offered to let myself die from the radiation poisoning after tomorrow night if things don't go the way I said they will.

Edit, mobile auto-correct.

[EFHW]

So you had 3 wincons at the start of the game?

[Glooble]

I think we should either trust Dylan or exile him, to be honest. If we currently have 4 town, 2 believers, and 1 baddie, we can't afford to kill town. We can take a chance and hope we hit the baddie, or we can exile one of the two players we know are not town - Dylan and Jack Rudd. That way even if there's a night kill, it's 3 town, 1 believer, 1 baddie, and we keep out majority.

But personally I think trusting Dylan is the lower-risk option.

[Glooble]

Like, either you believe Dylan is trying to win with town or you believe Dylan is trying to win without town. If you believe Dylan is trying to win with town we should no exile. If we believe Dylan is lying to trick town, we should exile Dylan. I really don't see how anyone can defend exiling me or Swowl.

[Glooble]

That being said,

vote: no exile

[Dylan32]

So you had 3 wincons at the start of the game?

Basically. The believer-aligned one was a compound one similar to town's with either course to earth or biggest faction; and if ADK and I both survived to the end of the game the two of us would have won.

[EFHW]

Ok, we've heard from everyone. I agree to simultaneous exchange of XO for name of the presumed red player.

[Dylan32]

Cool. Has swowl passed you the cards yet?

[Swowl]

Swowl hasn’t been told what card to drop but i guess it doesn’t matter at this point.

[EFHW]

also efoo - I am on a timeline - need a decision.

I think you should pass on Course to Earth and Isolate Colonial One.

[EFHW]

By pass on, I mean send to me and drop Special Counsel.

[EFHW]

Cool. Has swowl passed you the cards yet?

I haven't received them. faust is probably asleep.

[Swowl]

By pass on, I mean send to me and drop Special Counsel.

Done

[faust]

Vote Count 5.1

No Exile (1). Glooble

Not Voting (7): Jack Rudd, EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Cylons, Dylan32, LaLight

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to exile. Day 5 ends August 03, 2021, 02:00:00 pm.

[EFHW]

I have them now.

[Dylan32]

Ok, so we should figure out a time where we can both be online then. I have a work call roughly an hour and a half from now that should run about an hour, but then I can hop on basically any other time this afternoon/evening for a few minutes.

[EFHW]

I can do 4:30 pm forum time today.

[EFHW]

I can do 4:30 pm forum time today.

Or the next 15 minutes

[Dylan32]

4:30 forum time should work for me. I'll set a reminder in my phone to make sure.

[EFHW]

I'm here.

[EFHW]

I have to do something else. I will keep checking back here periodically.

[Dylan32]

I'm here. So the forum is showing 4:02 for me right now, so if you meant 30 minutes ago, sorry. I'm here now and will be for the next half hour.

[Dylan32]

Shoot, that was my bad. Went in to my profile settings and realized I had a -1 offset applied to the forum time from back when I lived one timezone off from forum time, but I set it years ago when I first joined the forum, so I had no idea.

[EFHW]

Still here?

[Dylan32]

Yup

[EFHW]

ok! Let's do this?

[Dylan32]

So hit submit on course to earth and posting the name respectively at 5:18 forum time?

[EFHW]

So hit submit on course to earth and posting the name respectively at 5:18 forum time?

Sure.

[Dylan32]

The person I've been calling Red and 2nd person I blocked was Glooble.

[EFHW]

Mission enacted

[EFHW]

I really thought it was gkrieg! Had a case and everything.

[Dylan32]

Now I will either vote glooble, swowl, or no exile at your request.

[EFHW]

Yeah, vote Glooble, just in case you disappear. Otherwise I'd say let's wait for reactions.

[Dylan32]

I will say, unless swowl actually was able to target 3 people at once, I know glooble lied whether they were the one of the two that tried to shoot EFHW or not because I don't believe they claimed to have a targeting ability at all.

[Dylan32]

Vote: Glooble

[EFHW]

He didn't give a targeting power. I thought the post from the brig idea was pretty good.

[Dylan32]

Glooble's check-in posts after I shared all this stuff was interesting because they were the only one that confidently tried to say voting swowl or the other person was not the right move.

[EFHW]

Ok, so thanks for the name. Enjoy your trip!

[EFHW]

Glooble's check-in posts after I shared all this stuff was interesting because they were the only one that confidently tried to say voting swowl or the other person was not the right move.

I'll reread him.

[Dylan32]

Just know, if you didn't actually enact it, I will literally never trust you in a game like this again, even if you are mod confirmed IC lol.

[Dylan32]

Like, you will be my opening vote every game for the foreseeable future haha.

[EFHW]

Just know, if you didn't actually enact it, I will literally never trust you in a game like this again, even if you are mod confirmed IC lol.

😪
I did do it.

[Dylan32]

Just know, if you didn't actually enact it, I will literally never trust you in a game like this again, even if you are mod confirmed IC lol.

😪
I did do it.

Don't worry, I believe you. I just will be sad if faust says you lied lol.

[Glooble]

Vote: Dylan

[Glooble]

We’re screwed. I don’t think my brig posting is going to matter because I don’t think Dylan would lie this blatantly unless it won him the game on the spot. So I think we’ve probably already lost.

[gkrieg13]

We’re screwed. I don’t think my brig posting is going to matter because I don’t think Dylan would lie this blatantly unless it won him the game on the spot. So I think we’ve probably already lost.

Did you take any actions last night?

[Glooble]

I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.

[Glooble]

I have not taken any actions all game.

[gkrieg13]

I really thought it was gkrieg! Had a case and everything.

Ouch, this hurts.

[gkrieg13]

So, the things we need to figure out:

• Is anyone going to die of radiation poisoning tonight, which would ruin the no deaths for two days and two nights.
• Make sure that Swowl is not going to shoot tonight, although he can be blocked by Dylan anyway.
• If Dylan and Jack do, in fact, leave the game, we should figure out if we are going to exile (which I think the answer is yes, because no one can stop the kill with Dylan gone).

[gkrieg13]

I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.

Would a redirector actually work with what Dylan has described as his power?

[Dylan32]

I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.

Would a redirector actually work with what Dylan has described as his power?

Keep in mind, Swowl claimed to try to kill me, I claimed to block him, and I'm still alive and got my name as I would have expected. So at least one of my targets was not redirected.

[Glooble]

I really don’t think anything we do matters at this point. Dylan had to know the jig would be up as soon as I flipped green, which means he didn’t care. He and Jack have likely won already.

[gkrieg13]

I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.

Would a redirector actually work with what Dylan has described as his power?

Keep in mind, Swowl claimed to try to kill me, I claimed to block him, and I'm still alive and got my name as I would have expected. So at least one of my targets was not redirected.

I agree that there is probably no way a redirector works.

[Dylan32]

I have not taken any actions all game.

Like I said, slight chance Swowl has actions that let him target 3 different people at once. That and the two of you targeting some combo of me, EFHW, and Jack in some arrangement would be indistinguishable in my results, but the simple fact is Swowl was most likely honest about trying to kill me, so if I trust Swowl's claims then I'm left with simplest solution is you tried to shoot EFHW or Jack (of the two EFHW is the more likely target for death).

ppe 2

[gkrieg13]

I really don’t think anything we do matters at this point. Dylan had to know the jig would be up as soon as I flipped green, which means he didn’t care. He and Jack have likely won already.

I agree that this is the outcome if you are actually town.

[Dylan32]

I really don’t think anything we do matters at this point. Dylan had to know the jig would be up as soon as I flipped green, which means he didn’t care. He and Jack have likely won already.

I agree that this is the outcome if you are actually town.

I mean, yes. As long as EFHW didn't pull a fast one, Jack and I have fulfilled our win condition. That said, in a legacy game in which 3rd parties seem to be at least semi-common to some extent, there's no way I would want to burn the trust of being honest with town as a 3rd party in season 2 out of 4, and that's without considering the long-term trustworthiness considerations for future games that I would have to deal with.

[gkrieg13]

I have not taken any actions all game.

Like I said, slight chance Swowl has actions that let him target 3 different people at once. That and the two of you targeting some combo of me, EFHW, and Jack in some arrangement would be indistinguishable in my results, but the simple fact is Swowl was most likely honest about trying to kill me, so if I trust Swowl's claims then I'm left with simplest solution is you tried to shoot EFHW or Jack (of the two EFHW is the more likely target for death).

ppe 2

Plus, this means that you are able to actually block Swowl, so doing so again would win us the game anyway

[Dylan32]

I have not taken any actions all game.

Like I said, slight chance Swowl has actions that let him target 3 different people at once. That and the two of you targeting some combo of me, EFHW, and Jack in some arrangement would be indistinguishable in my results, but the simple fact is Swowl was most likely honest about trying to kill me, so if I trust Swowl's claims then I'm left with simplest solution is you tried to shoot EFHW or Jack (of the two EFHW is the more likely target for death).

ppe 2

Plus, this means that you are able to actually block Swowl, so doing so again would win us the game anyway

Right, and this is the case for no exile today. No exile today and then if I succeed at that, then all town would have to do (and Jack and I would help if we are still in the game) is no exile tomorrow and win. Of course, if we are removed from the game, then you know the two people with killing actions and can win that way.

[Dylan32]

I have not taken any actions all game.

Like I said, slight chance Swowl has actions that let him target 3 different people at once. That and the two of you targeting some combo of me, EFHW, and Jack in some arrangement would be indistinguishable in my results, but the simple fact is Swowl was most likely honest about trying to kill me, so if I trust Swowl's claims then I'm left with simplest solution is you tried to shoot EFHW or Jack (of the two EFHW is the more likely target for death).

ppe 2

Plus, this means that you are able to actually block Swowl, so doing so again would win us the game anyway

Right, and this is the case for no exile today. No exile today and then if I succeed at that, then all town would have to do (and Jack and I would help if we are still in the game) is no exile tomorrow and win. Of course, if we are removed from the game, then you know the two people with killing actions and can win that way.

"can win that way" meaning exiling those two people to let the game end peacefully.

[Glooble]

I honestly have no idea what game Dylan is playing continuing to cling to this lie if he has in fact already won. So I don’t think I’ll be moving my vote. Just in case he actually has to survive and make it to Earth to win.

[EFHW]

I do not have any powers that target, so either we have a scum redirector in play or Dylan is just lying.

Would a redirector actually work with what Dylan has described as his power?

Keep in mind, Swowl claimed to try to kill me, I claimed to block him, and I'm still alive and got my name as I would have expected. So at least one of my targets was not redirected.

I agree that there is probably no way a redirector works.

Why do you say this? A power that makes all actions targeting X target Glooble instead would work.

[EFHW]

Hit post too Hit post too fast. I see the problems now.

[LaLight]

The person I've been calling Red and 2nd person I blocked was Glooble.

toldja!

[LaLight]

Dylan, do you both need to be on a track to Earth, or is enacting the XO enough?

[Dylan32]

Dylan, do you both need to be on a track to Earth, or is enacting the XO enough?

As far as I can tell, enacting Course to Earth was enough.

[faust]

The following Executive Order has been enacted:

Course to Earth
Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game.

Thread locked! Please check your QTs.

[faust]

A new hope has spread among you, a goal that you together may work towards. Maybe a common goal is all you ever needed to form a functioning whole? As the camps at Caprica are slowly broken down, and the fleet remobilized, you look towards the stars. Is it really out there? The home of what the humans call "the thirteenth tribe"?

Dylan32 has been removed from the game. They were Caprica Six, and they were Believer-aligned as well as Lover-alinged.

Jack Rudd has been removed from the game! They were Ellen Tigh, and they were Believer-aligned.

Every player in the game may, once during this game, use a power they have an additional time in the same Night.

Thread unlocked!

Vote Count 5.2

Not Voting (6): EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Cylons, LaLight, Glooble

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to exile. Day 5 ends August 03, 2021, 05:00:00 pm.

[LaLight]

yeeeeeah right

vote: Glooble

[LaLight]

also, congratulations Dylan and Jack! Dylan, sorry I doubted you, but I believe you didn't tell me everything in the end. Still congrats, I feel my hand in helping you

[LaLight]

also, damn, we didn't misexile once in this game and still we are almost in XiLo. This game doesn't look very town-sided

[LaLight]

ah, no, we misexiled ADK (sorry ADK). Still

[Glooble]

How long do we have until deadline? I would like time to go back over the claims and try to figure out who the scum actually is before you exile me.

I do not know why Dylan lied about his result on me, but you have to trust me that he did. Please don’t just follow him blindly when you know he wasn’t town.

[LaLight]

I do not know why Dylan lied about his result on me, but you have to trust me that he did. Please don’t just follow him blindly when you know he wasn’t town.

This doesn't really works like this, I'm sorry. Just because he wasn't town, it doesn't mean he was scum. He had no slight motivation to lie.

[Glooble]

I do not know why Dylan lied about his result on me, but you have to trust me that he did. Please don’t just follow him blindly when you know he wasn’t town.

This doesn't really works like this, I'm sorry. Just because he wasn't town, it doesn't mean he was scum. He had no slight motivation to lie.

Sure he did. He needed something to entice EFHW to enact Course to Earth. He didn’t have a useful result, so he made one up, knowing he’d be out of the game before he had to face any consequences.

[Glooble]

I was the easiest fall guy because I haven’t been very active this game.

Don’t let him play you. Use the time we have left to find scum.

[Glooble]

Like literally think about this for two seconds. If I was scum, I would have known that Dylan’s result was on me. Why would I have encouraged EFHW to take the deal? I would have fought it.

[Glooble]

so. Other then my Medic power, that I used on gkrieg N1, MiX N2 and Dylan while we were off, I have a weird investigative power. So basically i can target abperson and try to look into their belingings and gather info. If I succeed I get a flavor blurb. If i succeed twice in a game, I can expose myself to radiation and trigger a turning point.

Night 1 I used it on scola and it was successful. I got a blurb that he had some maps of Cylon facilities, but my character didn't really understood why. N2 I targeted Jack and didn't find anything. I couldn't use more than 1 power on Dylan, so I used healing.

What I think after scola flip is that my power is a delayed cop basically - it's hard enough to pull off, I probably succesfully gather info if person is part of the resistance, and I need to be alive for many many nights so it would work, but maybe I'm wrong. But that's why I think Jack is probably town. Who knows.

Also yeah, I am still Karl Agathon and Town-Aligned

Some suspicious stuff in LaLight's claim now that we know that Jack is not town aligned. Why would scola show up as suspicious to LaLight's power and not Jack? If LaLight is town, I would think his power would find all the third parties. If he's yellow scum maybe it would only see red scum. If he's red scum, maybe he targeted his partner with something else (a protective ability) and this claim was in case he was tracked.

LaLight's insistence on trusting Dylan is scummy, and now that we know Course to Earth was not a pro-town order his help in picking it is also kinda scummy. Also possible that Dylan pointing the finger at me was a condition of an agreement he made with LaLight to get LaLight to choose Course to Earth.

[Glooble]

So first, other than the reads stuff, LL's claim about his powers and actions was consistent with the QT claim.

I'm Caprica 6, same as game 1. My provided fake claim season 1 was Tom Zarek, which is why that is what I claimed then. I'm a civilian.

My personal character arc (which no-one else has claimed at all but it's relevant) in both games has been love conquers all, for which both my lover and myself need to be alive at the end of the game. Game 1 that was the person I targeted with a 1-shot action (ADK), this game as a result of that ADK and I have the additional alignment lover-aligned, which just adds the survival wincon like I said earlier.  If both of us kept the same character as last season we would gain an additional power, which I believe for me is an X-shot passive bulletproof ability that is only active under a certain condition (that LL knows but I think is better to not tell scum).

I'm responsible for Glooble having 0 votes. As LL alluded to, during presidential elections I can keep all votes for a single player from counting. Of the 3 candidates, Glooble was the one that I'm least confident about being town, EFHW was by far the most clearly town, and given people's opinions of Jack I knew he wouldn't win, so I figured Glooble was the only person who might get the votes to beat EFHW, so I cancelled it.

The ability LL apparently doesn't like is probably this one. I have a radiation, blocking, investigative role where I can target up to 2 people, any actions they take will fail, and I receive a list of everyone who was targeted by abilities that were blocked. For example, I target my top 2 scumreads, if I successfully block the NK, I would have a list of people, one of which was probably the target and thus not scum as well as a 50/50 on who the killer was.

I have taken no actions at night this game, and I already said everything of import that happened on the trip.

I did not receive a vision or any private information about earth. I do agree with LL that if we get the chance, enacting course to earth would be fun, if for no other reason than to see the conclusion to the storyline that our trip started. Also, there seemed to be only one path that we could take to lead to actually going to earth, while there were a lot of opportunities to derail it, which makes me think if scum or some other party went, there would have been motivations to sabotage the trip, and since it didn't happen, I'm inclined to think it's good for town.

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good. It's not 1-shot, as he claimed he could use it for the rest of the game to get us a win. But if he can use it every night why didn't he use it any previous nights? Surely the risk of blocking a town action is worth it for the possible info? But by claiming not to have used it, he doesn't have to corroborate its existence.

Do we have any evidence that the investigative part of Dylan's power actually works? Any evidence at all? Because Swowl targeting Dylan is something Swowl had already claimed before Dylan claimed results.

I would guess that the blocking part of Dylan's power is real, but the investigative part is made up.

[LaLight]

I would guess that the blocking part of Dylan's power is real, but the investigative part is made up.

Why?

[EFHW]

I do not know why Dylan lied about his result on me, but you have to trust me that he did. Please don’t just follow him blindly when you know he wasn’t town.

This doesn't really works like this, I'm sorry. Just because he wasn't town, it doesn't mean he was scum. He had no slight motivation to lie.

Sure he did. He needed something to entice EFHW to enact Course to Earth. He didn’t have a useful result, so he made one up, knowing he’d be out of the game before he had to face any consequences.

I don't know.  The way he said he would distrust me forever if I lied makes me think he would be worried about that for himself.

Everyone supported the plan, so obviously scum thought that was the best play, whether it was you or someone else.

If he was picking someone to lie about, gkrieg would have been a better choice. I had already made a case on him and would have loved to feel clever for a little while.

[EFHW]

Dylan's power does seem OP.

[LaLight]

Dylan's power does seem OP.

well, for the third-party consisting of two people, no kill and very weird and specific wincon, I'm not surprised.

[LaLight]

Everyone supported the plan, so obviously scum thought that was the best play, whether it was you or someone else.

Imagine everyone but one person supporting the plan. Plan is still enacted and the person is obviously scum.

[LaLight]

I don't know, I feel like if we will imagine complications right now, this would be a path to the loss.

[EFHW]

I had a tracker I could use every night but only on civilians unless I went outside and got radiation poisoning.

PPE Lalight. You have a point there. But then it's a weird power that isn't very helpful for getting to Earth. Did faust anticipate their needing info to trade? He might have, since the chances of getting to Earth any other way were tiny.

[LaLight]

I mean Dylan would obviously do whatever to win and I think telling the truth is one of these things. I believe he had that power he claimed. Otherwise he would say "I blocked two people - Glooble and Swan". Why make up the investigative part at all?

[LaLight]

I had a tracker I could use every night but only on civilians unless I went outside and got radiation poisoning.

PPE Lalight. You have a point there. But then it's a weird power that isn't very helpful for getting to Earth. Did faust anticipate their needing info to trade? He might have, since the chances of getting to Earth any other way were tiny.

Exactly. They needed to work in town's best interest, because otherwise there would be no chance they get to Earth.

[LaLight]

okay, let's go the other way. I don't believe Swan to be scum, because scum with two killing powers in a game where town is a half of the players is too OP. I believe gkrieg to be town, because his power makes sense to be town - again - because town is so underpowered. I hope you believe me to be town - I healed you and overall have town powers. (also answering to Glooble's "Lalight should be able to identify all third parties" - I am looking for documents about Cylon facilities, why would lovers/believers have them?)

[LaLight]

please, we should exile Glooble and win.

[EFHW]

I mean Dylan would obviously do whatever to win and I think telling the truth is one of these things. I believe he had that power he claimed. Otherwise he would say "I blocked two people - Glooble and Swan". Why make up the investigative part at all?

He had to demonstrate that I had been targeted.

[Glooble]

Vote: LaLight

I’m pretty sure we’ll have one more day to guess correctly if you exile me, and hopefully when I flip green his scummy behavior will become obvious to all of you.

[Glooble]

I would guess that the blocking part of Dylan's power is real, but the investigative part is made up.

Why?

Because I'm town, but also because it's not super helpful for his win condition. And because its just way more powerful than most of the other claimed roles.

[Glooble]

I don't believe Swan to be scum, because scum with two killing powers in a game where town is a half of the players is too OP.

How do we know he has two killing powers? The vig could be a fake claim to cover for the factional kill. We haven't had a night with two deaths yet.

[Glooble]

I'm honestly 50/50 on the last scum being LaLight or Swowl but LaLight is pissing me off so he get's my vote. It's basically a protest vote anyway, but I'm not going to stop trying while there's still a chance for town to pull this off.

[LaLight]

Vote: LaLight

I’m pretty sure we’ll have one more day to guess correctly if you exile me, and hopefully when I flip green his scummy behavior will become obvious to all of you.

yeah, right

[LaLight]

if I were scum, we would be on course to nowhere right now

[EFHW]

Why aren't you suspecting gkrieg?

[LaLight]

LaLight is pissing me off.

I am sorry if anything I posted was in any way rude. I did not intend it in any way.

[LaLight]

Why aren't you suspecting gkrieg?

Honestly, because I believe Dylan. And also it would be very weird if after all what's happened we just exile gkrieg

[EFHW]

if I were scum, we would be on course to nowhere right now

But then Dylan would have known what you picked.

[EFHW]

Why aren't you suspecting gkrieg?

Honestly, because I believe Dylan. And also it would be very weird if after all what's happened we just exile gkrieg

Sorry, meant that question for Glooble.

[LaLight]

like, from my pov this day is destined to go in two ways: we exile Glooble based on what happened or we exile me because Glooble somehow pulled this off and convinced everyone I (for some reason) am the last scum. This could be fun, and I hope we still could win.

no one should use the radiation powers because then it would go like lynch me > kill EFHW > lynch Glooble > last town dies of radiation > orange (if there are still any and I do believe there are) win by being the only one left. I actually think orange count on this and probably will also go for me toDay.

oooooh even worse, if tomorrow there are only town/scum/orange left there will be no wincon for town, unless orange wincon can coexist with town wincon.

gosh, so many variables. Let's just lynch Glooble, we will maintain the majority.

[LaLight]

if I were scum, we would be on course to nowhere right now

But then Dylan would have known what you picked.

I could also sabotage the mission. Anyway, do you suspect me?

[LaLight]

don't forget, WCD tunneled me from the point when I went to Kobol, because it really was a convenient exile

[LaLight]

and I also went to Kobol instead of staying and treating scola. I would be the worst red as well as gkrieg would be the worst orange.

[faust]

Vote Count 5.3

Glooble (1): LaLight
LaLight (1): Glooble

Not Voting (4): EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Cylons

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to exile. Day 5 ends August 03, 2021, 05:00:00 pm.

[EFHW]

oooooh even worse, if tomorrow there are only town/scum/orange left there will be no wincon for town, unless orange wincon can coexist with town wincon.

I'm worried orange and red can cooperate. They are both opposed to the new government.

[Glooble]

oooooh even worse, if tomorrow there are only town/scum/orange left there will be no wincon for town, unless orange wincon can coexist with town wincon.

I'm worried orange and red can cooperate. They are both opposed to the new government.

You think there's one of each left?

I don't have a good answer on the gkrieg question, I think I was mentally ICing him because of the cop thing, but I suppose with two scum teams that doesn't make sense.

[Glooble]

LaLight is making some good points, I'm now starting to suspect he's merely gullible town.

vote: Swowl I guess.

EFHW, I'd love to hear your case on grkrieg.

[LaLight]

Glooble feels like grasping at straws here

[EFHW]

oooooh even worse, if tomorrow there are only town/scum/orange left there will be no wincon for town, unless orange wincon can coexist with town wincon.

I'm worried orange and red can cooperate. They are both opposed to the new government.

You think there's one of each left?

Well, it would be symmetrical. Believers had information helpful to town. But there were only two Believers, so far as we know, so the oranges might be done.

I don't have a good answer on the gkrieg question, I think I was mentally ICing him because of the cop thing, but I suppose with two scum teams that doesn't make sense.

No, it really doesn't make sense. See my case on last page somewhere

[gkrieg13]

Glooble feels like grasping at straws here

[gkrieg13]

I will hammer Glooble. I really don’t think Dylan was making things up at the end.

[Glooble]

Okay, well, ya'll have made up your mind. I'd say good luck except I'll be here tomorrow, treestumping and berating all of you for your mistake like an obnoxious ghost.

That's assuming we don't just lose immediately.

[Glooble]

ADK- town/ lover -exiled
ashersky- Cylon Extremist- incapacitated
mathdude- Cylon Extremist- exiled
e- town - incapacitated
scola- resistance- exiled
MiX- Town- incapacitated
Didds- resistance- exiled
Dylan and Jack Rudd - removed because they won

5 of us still playing

So that is two yellow, two red, two pink two green. For some reason I thought we'd had an uneven number of flips- I really haven't been paying attention this game.

Well, in that case there probably is one of each. This sucks.

I am begging you not to take Dylan's word at face value, and to at least consider evidence for who else might be scum. Because I think if you exile me, we lose. Like, what is the case on me, besides the word of a non-town player who had every incentive to lie? Is there any other case on me at all?

Don't let Dylan play you like this.

[Glooble]

And like, I know I should be making a real case on someone else, but the fact is I haven't really been paying attention and I don't have a clue what's going on.

Does that make me a bad player?

Probably.

Does it make me scum?

No.

[Glooble]

8 non-town players in 14 player game seems obnoxious though.

[Glooble]

Not really sure how we were supposed to win if literally 2 misexiles sinks it for us, and that's with one nightkill prevented.

[EFHW]

Let's hear from Swowl.

[EFHW]

Every player in the game may, once during this game, use a power they have an additional time in the same Night.

Does this include any factional kill?

[EFHW]

8 non-town players in 14 player game seems obnoxious though.

It's probably 7, and the Believers were able to be helpful to town.

[Glooble]

8 non-town players in 14 player game seems obnoxious though.

It's probably 7, and the Believers were able to be helpful to town.

Maybe they were able to, but they chose not to.

[Glooble]

You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.

[gkrieg13]

You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.

I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.

[Glooble]

You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.

I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.

I'm going to hold you to that.

[gkrieg13]

You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.

I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.

I'm going to hold you to that.

Gladly, that is the exact situation that Dylan set up in one of his last posts.

[gkrieg13]

ADK- town/ lover -exiled
ashersky- Cylon Extremist- incapacitated
mathdude- Cylon Extremist- exiled
e- town - incapacitated
scola- resistance- exiled
MiX- Town- incapacitated
Didds- resistance- exiled
Dylan and Jack Rudd - removed because they won

5 of us still playing

So that is two yellow, two red, two pink two green. For some reason I thought we'd had an uneven number of flips- I really haven't been paying attention this game.

Well, in that case there probably is one of each. This sucks.

I am begging you not to take Dylan's word at face value, and to at least consider evidence for who else might be scum. Because I think if you exile me, we lose. Like, what is the case on me, besides the word of a non-town player who had every incentive to lie? Is there any other case on me at all?

Don't let Dylan play you like this.

Your counting is off here. There have been:

• 2 red
• 2 yellow
• 2 pink
• 3 green

With there likely being one red left alive, that ends up with

• 3 red
• 2 yellow
• 2 pink
• 7 green

Which does put town even with the bad parties, although I would expect that the wincons are balanced such that certain teams can win with town.

I think that if Glooble is not scum, that it is possible that LaLight is scum and coordinated with Dylan while they were on Kobol to come up with this whole scheme, but that would just require so much planning and forward-thinking that I just don't think it is the case.

[faust]

Every player in the game may, once during this game, use a power they have an additional time in the same Night.

Does this include any factional kill?

It only applies to personal powers, not any shared ones.

[faust]

I updated this flip post, as it wasn't quite accurate.

[LaLight]

I updated this flip post, as it wasn't quite accurate.

right, Lover-alignment

[Swowl]

hey, last day and a half have been nutter butter. fun, but nutter butter.

Reading now and then I'll get back to it.

[Swowl]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

[Swowl]

You know what I just realized? Dylan had another really good reason to frame me. Legacy points! If his faction wins with town, sure he gets points but so do a whole bunch of us. If his faction wins and one of the scum teams wins, that's a lot fewer people getting points, which means a much higher chance of Dylan being the victor at the end of the season.

I mean, like Dylan said, if that is the case, we will all exile him first for the other two games.

huh... it was Dylan and Jack also as skum last time right? So they both stacked up the points there assuming their plan worked. well played - totally didn't even think about it.

[Swowl]

ok caught up -

Did Jack claim if they used their ability last night anywhere?

[Swowl]

I'm on calls for like 2 hours. I have bunches to say. I need a few. Will be back.

[Swowl]

OK, so here is where I am at from my PoV...

My Info:
1) I know that I tried to shoot Dylan last night.
2) I know that my shot did not work.

Public Info:
1) Dylan has claimed to block Swowl and Glooble. The results of targets from those 2 players were [EFHW, Dylan, Jack].

Claims:
1) Swowl - Conditional Vig
2) EFHW - Tracker (currently nothing, gave up powers for prez)
3) LaLight - Rads Doctor
4) Glooble - Treestump IC if they are lynched.
5) Gkrieg - Cylon Cop that burns out when it gets a positive result.

So, my pov... IFFF Dylan's ability did in fact give them the results that they claimed... then Glooble is skum. Pretty damn straight forward.

OTOH - Assume Dylan did not care. Assume they lied and they knew that they were gonna be removed and they needed Earth to happen. The way they make that happen is to give info in return for a result. Once it is done, they no longer care. Assume their ability was BS for the targeting stuff. They got me to claim my result, used that, then picked another... they would not care in this instance if that player was town/skum/whatever... it just gets the job done for them.

There could be some elaborate plan in which Jack protected Dylan last night, but then it would not explain the no NK.
There could be some weird shit where Dylan is half telling the truth and can only block and made shit up.
Or they could just be telling the truth.

But as we are still playing, there kind of needs to be skum somewhere.

[LaLight]

Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun

[Glooble]

Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun

Me neither. I think he did it because he'd rather share victory with a scum faction than a town one.

[LaLight]

Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun

Me neither. I think he did it because he'd rather share victory with a scum faction than a town one.

but.. why?

[EFHW]

I think we have to exile Glooble today. We can't ignore Dylan's reported result for no reason other than that he could have wanted more legacy points. No one can think of a way the result was tampered with. There is no case on anyone else to speak of. No exile would leave us with 4 tomorrow,  with no new information.

Any reason to continue this day any longer?

[EFHW]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

[LaLight]

I think we have to exile Glooble today. We can't ignore Dylan's reported result for no reason other than that he could have wanted more legacy points. No one can think of a way the result was tampered with. There is no case on anyone else to speak of. No exile would leave us with 4 tomorrow,  with no new information.

Any reason to continue this day any longer?

exactly.

[Glooble]

Rationally in this game in vacuum Dylan doesn't care, you're right. But we play with people and we have meta and all that, so I don't think he yoloed this just for fun

Me neither. I think he did it because he'd rather share victory with a scum faction than a town one.

but.. why?

Because he wants to win the season, not just the game.

Anyway, I’ve said my piece. I’m going to hold you all to exiling Dylan day one of game 3 when you see that I’m town, and I’ll be around tomorrow as a ghost if we don’t lose tonight.

[EFHW]

vote: Glooble

[gkrieg13]

vote: Glooble

[Swowl]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

[EFHW]

The power is very strong, but it doesn't facilitate getting their wincon.

[faust]

Day 5 Final Vote Count

Glooble (3): LaLight, EFHW, gkrieg13
LaLight (1): Glooble

Not Voting (2):, Swowl, Cylons

With 5 alive, it took 3 to exile.

[faust]

There are still malicious forces among us, or so we are led to believe. Even as we prepare to leave for a new home, the squabbling continues.

Glooble has been sent to the brig. They were Tom Zarek, and they were Town-aligned. They had the following powers:

• miscellaneous
• 1-shot, manipulative, Day
• passive, protective

Night 5 begins now. Night actions are due by August 01, 2021, 02:30:00 pm.

If everyone argees to shorten the Night, it wil last until everyone agreed, but at least 24 hours.

There is no Executive Order currently in effect.

Thread locked!

[faust]

The Cylon-human alliance is by now almost fully prepared for the great journey. And yet, the tensions on Caprica come to head. Which group will prevail in this face-off?

LaLight has been incapacitated! They were Karl "Helo" Agathon, and they were Town-aligned. They had the following powers:

• protective
• miscellaneous, investigative
• 1-shot, radiation, miscellaneous

Day 6 begins! Thread unlocked!

Executive order deck: 0 in deck, 2 in discard, 3 drawn

Vote Count 6.0

Not Voting (4): EFHW, Swowl, gkrieg13, Cylons

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to exile. Day 5 ends August 08, 2021, 02:00:00 pm.

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

[gkrieg13]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Swowl

[Swowl]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I don't understand how this would make sense. You are saying that I am a re-director who took Dylan and made them target EFHW?
1. Not a Re-Director
2. Why would I do that?
3. What about the Jack result?

[Swowl]

I pretty much think GK is what I thought back on Day 3.
Red skum, had some way to ID other Cylons. Found Math. Went from there.

[faust]

Vote Count 6.1

Swowl (1): gkrieg13
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl

Not Voting (2): EFHW, Cylons

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to exile. Day 5 ends August 08, 2021, 02:00:00 pm.

[EFHW]

Oh great, I'm the decider. A ton of WIFOM here. I strongly suspected gkrieg and trusted Swowl. So am I here because Swowl is the scum knowing I have had those opinions or because gkrieg is the scum knowing that I would make this very post and trying to make Swowl look bad?

I won't be deciding this quickly. Please do help me out posting extensively on your respective reasons for why I shouldn't vote for you.

[EFHW]

Cylons, if you are here and can vote, vote for no exile to say hello.

[EFHW]

Swowl, I was expecting you to shoot last night.

[EFHW]

Also, what cards did you get, Admiral?

[EFHW]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

[EFHW]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

What did you mean about Jack lying?

[EFHW]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

[EFHW]

gkrieg,  remind me what other power you had besides investigating for Cylons.

[EFHW]

Glooble, are you around?

[Glooble]

Yeah just got here. For the record, I still think Dylan was lying.

[Glooble]

I’m leaning Swowl, but if I were you I’d take your time and reread. I should have some time to help with that today or tomorrow. No need to make a hasty decision.

[Glooble]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

I don’t think this is true. If Swowl is scum, I don’t think he’s a vig. I think vig is a fake claim to cover for the factional kill. So he couldn’t have done it twice since faust clarified that doesn’t apply to faction abilities.

[Glooble]

Oh wait. I can’t read.

Yeah that’s an excellent point. Certainly makes a Swowl exile look like the right move.

[Swowl]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

What did you mean about Jack lying?

Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

[Swowl]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

and now that we are all here...

You are correct. And that is exactly what I did. There was a small world to where you could be skum still until you checked in with no hammer.

It is GK 100%.

[gkrieg13]

gkrieg,  remind me what other power you had besides investigating for Cylons.

I could put a card from the discard back into the draw pile.

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.

The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.

The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.

It is certainly not the simplest explanation. It requires both that Dylan and I are lying, which would either require lots of luck (and Dylan tanking his future games), or coordination (which again pretty much thanks Dylan's future games).

It is much simpler that you took two normal actions and one faction ability. You then claimed that you vigged Dylan.

If we assume that Dylan didn't lie about his power, then this is the simplest explanation as to why no one died N4.

[gkrieg13]

I think the central thing that points to Swowl being scum is the lack of kill N4.

The only thing that explains why there was no kill is Dylan blocking Swowl.

This is the simplest explanation. Otherwise, a bunch of people lied about their powers that had little reason to do so.

[gkrieg13]

Swowl's claim for reference.

Ya'll need to chill - Apologies for "slowing it down", but it has been like a day and I had work and a "wine walk" last night.

I still prefer to wait to make sure my town read is in charge of the deck, but if it is so important to everyone I will claim it up. So here you are:

I kept my previous character from S1 - I am Sharon "Boomer" Valerii. I am Human-Aligned (and only human aligned). I am Military.


I have 2 powers.

1. Vig Shot - It only works on Military players. If I use it I have to go outside and I get a radiation. (I did clarify that if I were to target a Civilian player I would still get sick, but the shot would fail.)
2. My second power is a passive-ish that plays off of my Vig ability. If I end the day voting for a Human, my vig shot will fail that night. (No, I am not informed. Yes, it will still allow me to shoot, and thus make me sick).


Night 1) I did not shoot.
Night 2) I did not shoot.
Night 3) I shot WCD.

I can piece it together for yall later today when I have time - but in the spirit of getting things rolling there is my claim.

It also leaves me at
Vote: WCD

PPe several

[gkrieg13]

keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?

I think this is a scum slip guys.

gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.

Lol at the fact that Swowl actually scum-slipped that he was "human-aligned" instead of town-aligned. It was probably in his brain from his actual alignment being resistance-aligned.

[gkrieg13]

Also, did Swowl ever get cured from his radiation poisoning? Why is he still alive?

[gkrieg13]

So Swowl ended the day voting for gkrieg and decided to get radiation poisoning and shoot Didds. If it was me, I'd have been not voting or voting no exile the day before I tried using the vig.

The human-aligned could have been a typo. 50/50 there.

Did you have some reason to think gkrieg wasn't human? His claimed power would suggest human > Cylon.

I have been pretty clear in regards to thinking GK was potentially cylon. Red to be specific.
Also if I vote no one, and then shoot known military WCD. All we get is the flip of WCD. If she is skum, then yay... but if she is Town then I put us in the hole -1 and we learned nothing else for sure.

This way, imo at least, was way better. If WCD flipped Green, GK is cylon. If WCD flipped Red, GK is cylon. If WCD did not flip, then GK is human... which looks really bad for WCD given she was the only other one off Pasta.

This post is also kind of non-sensical if you have been paying attention to the game at this point.

[gkrieg13]

I have not read what’s been written since that post of Dylan’s I’ replied to just now, but I’m changing planes so I wanted to get this out so we don’t stall.

I am Kara Thrace (aka Starbuck)

I have two related powers. At night I can go out beyond the border, when I do, I take radiation. While there I have two related choices. Copilot, which is essentially a bodyguard, and Defy Orders (1-shot) which means the target is informed that they were targeted by me and my action cannot fail.

N1, I didn’t do anything
N2, I used both copilot and defy orders on MiX. This is why I was joking around with him about trust on D3.
D3, I had radiation poisoning, which is why I advocated that we leave Scola alive. If he actually did have a cure I needed one because LL was gone. I can also describe the flavor associated with having poisoning if Dylan wants to test me.
N3, I didn’t do anything but I was apparently cured by MiX, unless there is another poison doc, because on D4 I was no longer poisoned. Since I wasn’t around to ask MiX to cure me at the end of D3, I assume that he read enough into my “wait and see” to figure it out. I didn’t get any notification that I had been cured, but I checked with faust and he said I was no longer poisoned.

This is very similar to my power in the first game, but in that game I had a faction restriction (target had to be military).

Note also that WCD was strangely cured from radiation, so it could be a factional thing that they can't be poisoned by radiation or maybe Swowl can cure people of radiation.

[gkrieg13]

I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.

This is interesting.

[gkrieg13]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

What did you mean about Jack lying?

Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000

It isn't follow the cop because it would make Dylan untargetable but give him radiation poisoning, so it has a limited time it can be used unless Dylan is constantly being healed from the radiation, which is then already too complicated (requires a 3rd person not in their faction.)

[EFHW]

According to Dylan, his power already gave him radiation poisoning, so it was self-limited that way.

[EFHW]

gkrieg's theory that Swowl took 3 actions N4 is indeed the simplest theory in that it allows everyone to be telling the truth except Swowl.

[EFHW]

keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?

I think this is a scum slip guys.

gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.

Lol at the fact that Swowl actually scum-slipped that he was "human-aligned" instead of town-aligned. It was probably in his brain from his actual alignment being resistance-aligned.

Didds made the same mistake after Swowl. How does that fit into their being partners?

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.

The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.

It is certainly not the simplest explanation. It requires both that Dylan and I are lying, which would either require lots of luck (and Dylan tanking his future games), or coordination (which again pretty much thanks Dylan's future games).

It is much simpler that you took two normal actions and one faction ability. You then claimed that you vigged Dylan.

If we assume that Dylan didn't lie about his power, then this is the simplest explanation as to why no one died N4.

1. Dylan tanking his future games is a completely nullified concept. Everyone knows regardless of what he did no one was gonna policy lynch him. If anything we would still do it now, he has the damn points... whether or not he lied does not matter.

2. Both of you do not have to be knowingly lying. You could of been (probably were) manipulating his actions in some way. The other explanation is he was lying.

I have thought a little about what it is you could of done to make it so you are the only one lying though... and I gotta give you this... I do think you are both lying.

[Swowl]

So Swowl ended the day voting for gkrieg and decided to get radiation poisoning and shoot Didds. If it was me, I'd have been not voting or voting no exile the day before I tried using the vig.

The human-aligned could have been a typo. 50/50 there.

Did you have some reason to think gkrieg wasn't human? His claimed power would suggest human > Cylon.

I have been pretty clear in regards to thinking GK was potentially cylon. Red to be specific.
Also if I vote no one, and then shoot known military WCD. All we get is the flip of WCD. If she is skum, then yay... but if she is Town then I put us in the hole -1 and we learned nothing else for sure.

This way, imo at least, was way better. If WCD flipped Green, GK is cylon. If WCD flipped Red, GK is cylon. If WCD did not flip, then GK is human... which looks really bad for WCD given she was the only other one off Pasta.

This post is also kind of non-sensical if you have been paying attention to the game at this point.

explain to me what is nonsensical about this. it literally led me to leading the WCD wagon.

[Swowl]

keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?

I think this is a scum slip guys.

gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.

Lol at the fact that Swowl actually scum-slipped that he was "human-aligned" instead of town-aligned. It was probably in his brain from his actual alignment being resistance-aligned.

fairly certain I have covered this already.
Same character S1. Town also S1. Human-Aligned S1.

[Swowl]

I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.

This is interesting.

This is the only explanation I have for why I am not irradiated. Something didds did prevented me from attempting the shot.

[Swowl]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

What did you mean about Jack lying?

Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000

It isn't follow the cop because it would make Dylan untargetable but give him radiation poisoning, so it has a limited time it can be used unless Dylan is constantly being healed from the radiation, which is then already too complicated (requires a 3rd person not in their faction.)

there have been 2 flipped radiation doctors and another who claimed to be one but was skum. How is that too complicated? They were a 3rd faction that LITERALLY used another faction to win the game for them. They absolutely did not need a 3rd person.

This is another reason why I assume they were lying. I assume they were 100% sure they knew they would be removed from the game which is why they cared not of the radiation.

[gkrieg13]

keeping my vote exactly where it is. My PM doesn't say human-aligned. Does anyone else's?

I think this is a scum slip guys.

gross. it says town aligned. Sorry, my ability is so focused on Human v Cylon and Military v Civilian I typoed it.

Lol at the fact that Swowl actually scum-slipped that he was "human-aligned" instead of town-aligned. It was probably in his brain from his actual alignment being resistance-aligned.

Didds made the same mistake after Swowl. How does that fit into their being partners?

First, I didn’t say that it fits into them being partners, just that he actually did scum slip.

 they didn’t have the actual town role to look at and Swowl went first right?  Swowl could have put his fake claim in their mafia chat before he claimed (also note how he posted a few times before claiming, which could’ve been to make sure Didds saw the post before he posted in the main thread.

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

Can you explain how Dylan targeted town!Glooble and got scum's target(s) as an answer?

Dylan targets Glooble and Swowl.

Swowl targets: EFHW with a kill, Dylan with a redirect power, Jack with something else?

Not entirely sure, but I guess the simpler answer is just that Swowl tried to kill you and tried to kill Dylan, or targeted Dylan with a different power. Not sure exactly how Jack gets into that mix, from either Glooble, Swowl or redirection, but I think it's possible that Swowl used a factional ability and two personal abilities in the same night while Glooble did nothing?

I gotta go coach for a few hours, but before I go... no.

The simplest explanation is you are lying (or Dylan I guess) and I am not a super human that can take a million actions a night.

It is certainly not the simplest explanation. It requires both that Dylan and I are lying, which would either require lots of luck (and Dylan tanking his future games), or coordination (which again pretty much thanks Dylan's future games).

It is much simpler that you took two normal actions and one faction ability. You then claimed that you vigged Dylan.

If we assume that Dylan didn't lie about his power, then this is the simplest explanation as to why no one died N4.

1. Dylan tanking his future games is a completely nullified concept. Everyone knows regardless of what he did no one was gonna policy lynch him. If anything we would still do it now, he has the damn points... whether or not he lied does not matter.

2. Both of you do not have to be knowingly lying. You could of been (probably were) manipulating his actions in some way. The other explanation is he was lying.

I have thought a little about what it is you could of done to make it so you are the only one lying though... and I gotta give you this... I do think you are both lying.

This exactly. For me to be scum, I had to lie AND Dylan had to lie.

Just go back and read Dylan making the deal with EFHW. I think it is clear that he is telling the truth.

[Glooble]

Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

[gkrieg13]

Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

[Swowl]

Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

Or he lied about them. Or you did something to mess with them.

[Glooble]

Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

I don’t know why everyone is coming to this conclusion. It seems much more likely to me he was lying to secure his own wincon and mess with town.

[EFHW]

Also, what cards did you get, Admiral?

[EFHW]

Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

I don’t know why everyone is coming to this conclusion. It seems much more likely to me he was lying to secure his own wincon and mess with town.

How does that make more sense? Which part of his claim do you see as the lie?

[Glooble]

Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

I don’t know why everyone is coming to this conclusion. It seems much more likely to me he was lying to secure his own wincon and mess with town.

How does that make more sense? Which part of his claim do you see as the lie?

I don't think his role had an investigative component at all. I think he made that up so he would have information to trade.

[gkrieg13]

Also, did Swowl ever get cured from his radiation poisoning? Why is he still alive?

[EFHW]

Also, did Swowl ever get cured from his radiation poisoning? Why is he still alive?

LL could have cured him overnight.

[gkrieg13]

Also, did Swowl ever get cured from his radiation poisoning? Why is he still alive?

LL could have cured him overnight.

I guess so. I doubt LaLight would do that after we exiled Glooble and he was town.

[gkrieg13]

WestCoastDidds has been sent to the brig! They were Kara Thrace, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:

• manipulative
• radiation, killing

Note also from WCD's flip that she likely did not have a blocking ability, unless manipulative is a blocking ability.

[gkrieg13]

I have a finding that directly contradicts Didds' claim. That finding says she targeted Swowl N3. This is why I asked her today what she thought of Swowl. Weird that Swowl claims to have targeted her. I double checked my qt and I am interpreting my results correctly.

This is interesting.

This is the only explanation I have for why I am not irradiated. Something didds did prevented me from attempting the shot.

The above post is in reference to this.

[gkrieg13]

Is Dylan lying about his role? Evidence- it seems a little too good.

Dylan's power does seem OP.

I pointed this out the other day when we were doing claims. Why wait until he is gone to jump on board?

I don't think he lied.

So you think Jack lied? Because uh... that is a strong set of powers for a team.

PPE - glooble hammer... guess we are finding out either way now nvm.

What did you mean about Jack lying?

Well If Jack can make Dylan un targetable and Dylan can block 2 people.... One of them lied. So if it is not Dylan, it is Jack. That set up is like follow the cop x 1000

It isn't follow the cop because it would make Dylan untargetable but give him radiation poisoning, so it has a limited time it can be used unless Dylan is constantly being healed from the radiation, which is then already too complicated (requires a 3rd person not in their faction.)

there have been 2 flipped radiation doctors and another who claimed to be one but was skum. How is that too complicated? They were a 3rd faction that LITERALLY used another faction to win the game for them. They absolutely did not need a 3rd person.

This is another reason why I assume they were lying. I assume they were 100% sure they knew they would be removed from the game which is why they cared not of the radiation.

Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?

[gkrieg13]

scolapasta has been sent to the brig! They were Samuel T. Anderson, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:

• protective
• radiation, miscellaneous
• manipulative
• passive,miscellaneous

[Swowl]

snip**
Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?

Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way  from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?

I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.

[Swowl]

Also, what cards did you get, Admiral?

Insurrection
Course to Kobol
Military police force

[gkrieg13]

Dylan definitely lied about me being scum though, so I don’t see any reason to think he would have told the truth about anything else.

He didn’t lie about his results, he just misinterpreted them.

Or he lied about them. Or you did something to mess with them.

We've kind of been over this already. What could I have done to mess with his results, given that he was untargetable, due to Jack? If Dylan is straight-up lying about his power, then there likely isn't an investigative portion (because the blocking portion almost certainly is true, due to the lack of kill N4).

So for you to be town and me to be scum:

• Dylan has no investigative power, but has a blocking power. Requires:
  
  • Dylan lied about his power
  • I lied about my power
  • Something other than Dylan stopped the kill N4 (note that this requires yet another lie)
  • Dylan got lucky in guessing that Swowl tried to vig him N4
  • Dylan completely made up that Jack and EFHW were targeted
• Dylan does have an investigative, blocking power. Requires:
  
  • Jack lied about his power
  • I lied about my power
  • I redirected or manipulated Dylan in such a way that he gets Swowl and Glooble targeting Jack, Dylan, EFHW (note that this also requires me to have a manipulative role, which WCD AND scola already flipped with)
  • This STILL does not deal with the missing kill N4
  • Also requires me to use redirection or manipulation on someone I think can't be manipulated, due to Jack's claimed power
• Dylan has a completely different, non-blocking power (Requires many things and doesn't explain the missing kill, or why Swowl didn't kill Dylan, etc.)

Consider also, that I have already demonstrated both of my powers (I put a card back in the deck and I turned in a Cylon). Which means I need to have another manipulative power on top of my other two powers and requires every member of the red faction to have a manipulative power.

Also note that scola could have targeted three people in one night with his powers, including the factional kill, which makes the idea that Swowl targeted three people in one night plausible.

[gkrieg13]

snip**
Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?

Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way  from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?

I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.

I look forward to your explanation of what night actions were taken to cause everything to happen so far.

[Swowl]

snip**
Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?

Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way  from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?

I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.

I look forward to your explanation of what night actions were taken to cause everything to happen so far.

Here is the thing. You are 100% aware that dylan lied about something and you are riding that out. Which is totally the correct play for you to make here. You hold the cards, you know the puzzle, and I do not. That is why you are focusing so hard on the unlikelihood of Dylan lying (which is not unlikely at all), and why you are spinning it like there is no other explanation. It is not that there is no other explanation, there just is no explanation I can prove.
But explanations you shall have (after I get home).

[gkrieg13]

snip**
Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?

Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way  from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?

I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.

I look forward to your explanation of what night actions were taken to cause everything to happen so far.

Here is the thing. You are 100% aware that dylan lied about something and you are riding that out. Which is totally the correct play for you to make here. You hold the cards, you know the puzzle, and I do not. That is why you are focusing so hard on the unlikelihood of Dylan lying (which is not unlikely at all), and why you are spinning it like there is no other explanation. It is not that there is no other explanation, there just is no explanation I can prove.
But explanations you shall have (after I get home).

If I make this exact same post from my perspective (i.e. that you are scum and I have to piece together what night actions result in the current game state), it is the following:

Swowl lied and targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4. No one else lied.

I'll just let Occam's razor do the rest.

[Swowl]

snip**
Ok. Assuming they did lie about their powers, how do you explain the lack of kill N4?

Same Way I didn't get 2 kills last night. You blocked me. Or something else interference wise on your end. I need to take some time with pen and paper and actually try to math out what exactly you "could of done"... but essentially I think you kept the claimed Vig (me) in some way  from shooting when I tried to shoot Dylan (regardless or not of Dylan also did)... and then you yourself tried to shoot EFHW, or maybe you tried to RD me onto EFHW? and then last night you RDd me again onto LL?

I have to think that one out when I am not working.. but something like that.

I look forward to your explanation of what night actions were taken to cause everything to happen so far.

Here is the thing. You are 100% aware that dylan lied about something and you are riding that out. Which is totally the correct play for you to make here. You hold the cards, you know the puzzle, and I do not. That is why you are focusing so hard on the unlikelihood of Dylan lying (which is not unlikely at all), and why you are spinning it like there is no other explanation. It is not that there is no other explanation, there just is no explanation I can prove.
But explanations you shall have (after I get home).

If I make this exact same post from my perspective (i.e. that you are scum and I have to piece together what night actions result in the current game state), it is the following:

Swowl lied and targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4. No one else lied.

I'll just let Occam's razor do the rest.

OK cool lets play other side of the sword then.
I had already claimed my vig ability. Dylan had  claimed watcher/blocker hybrid thing.
In your world, I am skum. Therefore would of already known that Dylan was not skum right? So I would think he is town in that spot.

At the time of those actions.. Why would I take any actions if I am skum?
You say I am a re director. Why would I try to redirect someone I have to be sure is going to block me and get a result?
You say I am skum and shot. Why would I try to shoot when I have to be sure that Dylan is gonna get that result?

That narrative makes no sense.
What does make sense, is what happened. I found Dylan's claim suspicious. I am a vig. I shot him to verify his claim. 

[EFHW]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

and now that we are all here...

You are correct. And that is exactly what I did. There was a small world to where you could be skum still until you checked in with no hammer.

It is GK 100%.

I don't understand this. You thought maybe I
was scum and would come in hammering one of you to win the game, so you waited to reveal you had tried to kill both LL and gkrieg? If either of you had any suspicion that I was the scum you would not have voted at all. Also, how did knowing I was town before claiming your night action make a difference?

[EFHW]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.

[EFHW]

I wasn't very clear in my question about Didds at 1660. Didds and Swowl got associated on a number of occasions. Apparently targeting each other N3, Swowl becoming Admiral after Didds, and then her seeming to defend him by saying she would have made the same mistake. (Am I remembering correctly that Jack also said human aligned?) I was wondering if it was likely she would risk such a partner-like post.

[Swowl]

Swowl, if you were town you could have shot both gkrieg and LL and the game would be won.

and now that we are all here...

You are correct. And that is exactly what I did. There was a small world to where you could be skum still until you checked in with no hammer.

It is GK 100%.

I don't understand this. You thought maybe I
was scum and would come in hammering one of you to win the game, so you waited to reveal you had tried to kill both LL and gkrieg? If either of you had any suspicion that I was the scum you would not have voted at all. Also, how did knowing I was town before claiming your night action make a difference?

All this was meant to mean was if you were skum it didn't matter. I did not want to claim anything before everyone checked in. If I had claimed before you checked in, it could of caused an unvote or a move or something - still far fetched, but not needed. If you were skum, you would of hammered. So on the very small % chance that you were, we had lost anyways, this line removed that very small % chance.

Also no.... If GK had any suspicion at all that you were skum THEY would of never voted. At the time of my vote the options were either 1) GK is skum (already voting me) or 2) you are skum (voting no one). My vote made no difference at all if you were skum, and if you are town, then I voted for skum.

[Swowl]

I wasn't very clear in my question about Didds at 1660. Didds and Swowl got associated on a number of occasions. Apparently targeting each other N3, Swowl becoming Admiral after Didds, and then her seeming to defend him by saying she would have made the same mistake. (Am I remembering correctly that Jack also said human aligned?) I was wondering if it was likely she would risk such a partner-like post.

1. Yes - Jack also messed it up from memory... which was obviously just a genuine slip as they were 3p this game and skum last game.

I am going to assume the rest of this is specifically *not* being asked of me. I do have opinions on it though. The main one is my being selected as admiral. As WCD was skum, there is essentially a 0% chance they actually did not select me specifically. Which makes me think the whole "random selection" was meant to be thrown in as an angle.

[Swowl]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.

I think you are asking me here again?

Obviously GK is not in control of the vote when he does this. So either it was either you (efoo) or it is no one that could control that vote. I just wanted to make sure it was clear it was not me.

[EFHW]

So gk was worried you could cone in and place 2 votes? And thought I would hammer you to forestall that?

I get your point about my alignment not being relevant to your gk vote. But wouldn't you have asked gk to unvote if you weren't sure about me?

[Swowl]

So gk was worried you could cone in and place 2 votes? And thought I would hammer you to forestall that?

I get your point about my alignment not being relevant to your gk vote. But wouldn't you have asked gk to unvote if you weren't sure about me?

1. can you rephrase the first sentence I do not get it, sorry.

2. Do not believe that would of accomplished anything. If GK is town they would not of opened voting for me. If they are skum, they are not moving that vote.

[gkrieg13]

So gk was worried you could cone in and place 2 votes? And thought I would hammer you to forestall that?

I get your point about my alignment not being relevant to your gk vote. But wouldn't you have asked gk to unvote if you weren't sure about me?

I thought if EFHW got to the thread first, she could hammer Swowl before he got to the thread and placed two votes, his own and the Cylon vote.

[gkrieg13]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.

I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.

[Swowl]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.

I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.

I explained my logic. What is yours?

[Swowl]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.

I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.

I explained my logic. What is yours?

So you were 100% sure I was skum right?
0% chance it could be EFHW.
Only explanation for your vote, so I assume that was your mindset.

[EFHW]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.

I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.

I explained my logic. What is yours?

So you were 100% sure I was skum right?
0% chance it could be EFHW.
Only explanation for your vote, so I assume that was your mindset.

It sounds like you know gkrieg is town.

[EFHW]

I'm ready to vote, later today. Glooble, you want to say anything?

[Glooble]

I'm ready to vote, later today. Glooble, you want to say anything?

I don't think so. I trust you.

[EFHW]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

[gkrieg13]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.

[Swowl]

I'm going to vote swowl, so that if EFHW gets here first and Swowl can somehow control the Cylon vote, EFHW can vote for Swowl.

Pretty much the same thought here.

Vote: Gkrieg

And no, I cannot control the Cylon vote.

Both of you had the same thought, but I'm missing something. I don't follow the logic here.

I’m pretty sure the logic only makes sense for me. The same logic doesn’t work for Swowl.

I explained my logic. What is yours?

So you were 100% sure I was skum right?
0% chance it could be EFHW.
Only explanation for your vote, so I assume that was your mindset.

It sounds like you know gkrieg is town.

?

[EFHW]

You are attributing a town perspective to him to explain his vote. If you were convinced he was scum you wouldn't do that.

[EFHW]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.

Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.

[gkrieg13]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.

Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.

I also have a delayed bomb power, where I can irradiate myself (Night i), if I'm not already irradiated, and then the next night (Night i + 1) any Cylons who target me (on Night i + 1) are killed.

I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.

This is the other reason why I thought my cop result may be a scum/town result, because me killing town!Cylons is anti-town.

[Swowl]

You are attributing a town perspective to him to explain his vote. If you were convinced he was scum you wouldn't do that.

I am talking to skum who is claiming to be town. I am pointing out if they were town they would do X. I do not understand the confusion with this?

[EFHW]

You are attributing a town perspective to him to explain his vote. If you were convinced he was scum you wouldn't do that.

I am talking to skum who is claiming to be town. I am pointing out if they were town they would do X. I do not understand the confusion with this?

I thought of that, and reread it several times. Each time it felt to me like you forgot he was supposed to be the scum. Just one part of the picture.

[Swowl]

You are attributing a town perspective to him to explain his vote. If you were convinced he was scum you wouldn't do that.

I am talking to skum who is claiming to be town. I am pointing out if they were town they would do X. I do not understand the confusion with this?

I thought of that, and reread it several times. Each time it felt to me like you forgot he was supposed to be the scum. Just one part of the picture.

I didn't "forget" anything. I am just trying to point out any inconsistencies I can at this point, not really paying a hell of a lot of attention to how it comes off or whatever.

[Swowl]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.

Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.

I also have a delayed bomb power, where I can irradiate myself (Night i), if I'm not already irradiated, and then the next night (Night i + 1) any Cylons who target me (on Night i + 1) are killed.

I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.

This is the other reason why I thought my cop result may be a scum/town result, because me killing town!Cylons is anti-town.

can you use it if you are already irradiated? If so, what happens?

[gkrieg13]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.

Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.

I also have a delayed bomb power, where I can irradiate myself (Night i), if I'm not already irradiated, and then the next night (Night i + 1) any Cylons who target me (on Night i + 1) are killed.

I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.

This is the other reason why I thought my cop result may be a scum/town result, because me killing town!Cylons is anti-town.

can you use it if you are already irradiated? If so, what happens?

Cannot use it while irradiated.

[EFHW]

Day 4 Final Vote Count

WestCoastDidds (5): Swowl, Dylan32, LaLight, Glooble, gkrieg13

Not Voting (4): Jack Rudd, WestCoastDidds, EFHW, Cylons

With 8 alive, it took 5 to exile.

Interesting final vote count day 4

[EFHW]

faust must be asleep. So rather than anxiously waiting for a flip I'll wait, and see if either of you wants to make a final case on the other one.

[Swowl]

faust must be asleep. So rather than anxiously waiting for a flip I'll wait, and see if either of you wants to make a final case on the other one.

I'm off work in an hour.

[Swowl]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.

Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.

I also have a delayed bomb power, where I can irradiate myself (Night i), if I'm not already irradiated, and then the next night (Night i + 1) any Cylons who target me (on Night i + 1) are killed.

I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.

This is the other reason why I thought my cop result may be a scum/town result, because me killing town!Cylons is anti-town.

can you use it if you are already irradiated? If so, what happens?

Cannot use it while irradiated.

How would you become irradiated? Your other ability did not cause you to be irradiated unless I am mistaken.

[Swowl]

I copped mathdude last night and got cylon. We should exile him Today.

Did you get "cylon extremist" or just cylon? Does your cop ability detect alignment or just species?

Got cylon. I have a pretty good reason to assume that it is likely a scum result though.

What was that reason?

Just that I lost the ability once I actually found a Cylon.

Ok. I noticed you said you have 2 smaller powers but you only told us about one.

I didn't claim it, because I was going to use it at some point (it obviously doesn't work well once it is claimed), but then realized it may get us into a sticky situation of me potentially dying from radiation at ExLo, or somehow not being able to survive the 2 days and 2 nights after the final scum is exiled.

Don't have to survive for 2 days and nights when the "final skum" is exiled.

[Swowl]

Been working on this, but have been busy. Here it is by day:

Day 1 GK:

#73 - kind of RVS vote for E! over the JAck Day 1 claim situation.

#140 and #156 - Hard defense on the scolapasta policy vote vs Mathdude

#256 - Random shade casting on Ashersky

#338 - Votes Lalight X2 when the wagons are here:
Vote Count 1.8.0000
MiX (2): ashersky, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): Jack Rudd, 2.71828.....
2.71828..... (2): gkrieg13, scolapasta
LaLight (5): WestCoastDidds, Swowl, mathdude, MiX, Glooble,
ADK (2): EFHW, LaLight
Not Voting (2):  Dylan32, Cylons
--- They were sitting on E with partner pasta and needed to go somewhere so they check in to L2 LL.

#355 - gives skum points to MiX

#356 - skum points to Jack

#360-#362 - gives town points to Dylan. And also Ash and MiX... both of which he just gave skum cred to.

#364 - Pro claiming pre night actions and if you kept your character. Reasoning is wrong, especially considering if GK is a skum cylon cop, they would assumedly know there were other cylons they wanted to sort out. Knowing actions and characters kept would help that.

#370 - Announces they will hammer pretty much whoever.  I will come back to this. This is 1/many times GK specifically states they want to be the hammer exactly.

#372 - Skum points to Mathdude

#374 - First interaction with WCD. Disagrees that EFHW is townie, not followed by any sort of push or skum points (which they were throwing around like candy all day) or anything.

#380 - Town points E. Would vote ADK, EFHW, Math. Again a note that any X1 is a hammer.

#390 - With less than 30m left in the day hammers the only viable wagon. Which already had the Cylons vote on it.


- GK defends pasta
- GK has a one off skummy vibes post with didds that is never followed up on in any way
- GK casts shade on like 30-40% of the field, none of which are WCD or Pasta.
- GK hammers in the 30m mark with the Cylons vote on ADK.

[Swowl]

GK Day 2:

#469 Votes MD

#470 - clarifies they would of hammered anyone at x1

#506 - Got cylon of Math. Should exile math today.

#524 - Clarifies they got "cylon" not "extremist" and says "pretty good reason to assume it is a skum result. Which, as skum, is obviously the way they would put it.

#538 - claims it is not good for town to claim everything about their ability. which, outside of let's say... claiming you only can do it until you catch someone... is pretty much skum 101.

#545 - They have a "strong reason to believe there are not many town aligned cylons". Yes, because GK is skum cylon and found other cylon skum.

#619 - Unvotes fucking math. Again "I want to be the one to hammer math"

#624/#625 - Set ups for reasons why they are doing what they are doing.

#632 - Asks MiX "why they think the cylons vote is *not* anti town"... coming from the guy that hammered ADK with the cylons vote on them. Also... keep in mind all of this is wayyyy easier to piece together at the time if they are skum and knows there is another cylon faction in play.

#636 - "My powers are not useful if Math is Town". Duh.

#639 - Just go read this one. No reds flipped. They think they found a yellow. It is conf!bias

#641 - Setting up cylons do not need to be skum. Which is a great thing to throw in there if you are a skum cylon.

#697 - OK this one is arguably good. However, also makes sense for him to have the ability claimed if there are skum cylons vs skum cylons and he is skum cylon.

#734 - Claims it would be horrible for him to do what he did with Math if Math flips town. Which is not true. He probably didn't know if there were town cylons or not... just that there were likely other bad cylons. This was the way out if math was town.

- Whatever this has been talked to death. I have made my case on Day 2. GK is red skum that was given the ability to find yellow. Math probably had the same ability for their faction in reverse.

[Swowl]

need a moment for day 3. had not had time to get there yet.

[Swowl]

#841 - Says jack may still be skum just the other kind of skum. Which they know is not true. But it is a great set up.

#850 - I can only investigate until I find cylon then I lose it. Perfect cover.

#869 - post about E being killed making sense. It didn't make sense. GK should of been killed if they are town. This is just them trying to back up why they are alive after giving a reason for not being killed in the future a few posts ago.

#874 - Votes Jack. Following up on the play.

#878 - This one is fun. Says jack was pissed cuz they got caught for the wrong reasons. Yes, skum caught other skum.

#912 - skummy skummy skummy post.

#944 - I make a good defense case on Jack regarding the hedging on Math's part, which forces GK to back off. GK doesn't care. There were no other wagons, safe play. "What town would do".

#965 - Thinks it is little use to talk of Dylan and LL. I now assume this is because they had copped LL and they came back not cylon so they were going for the cred.

#966/ #970 - WCD votes GK (with me btw) and then again has a one off back and forth between GK and WCD that ends in that post.

#971 - defends MiX, who was never getting exiled so whatever.

#978 - #981 - all spent pushing EFHW as skummy.

#986 - Again read it... just seems like they knew more than what they should.

#1006 - After pasta claim. They want to exile Glooble and Jack, but would also go for EFHW or Swowl... ANDDDD again will hammer whoever is stated. They also say they agree with WCD that pasta is not skum... so that is two flipped red they are agreeing with and 4 greens (or whatever, not red) they are willing to vote.

#1023 - "I would hammer scola, but if you really want to get a wagon going on him, you need to give us a little bit more to go off."
#1070 - "I’m not around for deadline and it doesn’t seem like we would get an exile off anyway."
Those two posts are nonsensically skummy. He painted an image of being willing to vote pasta, then came back and said "shrug... it isn't gonna happen anyways."


- Way too much info regarding what the game set up seemed to be.
- again no interaction with WCD or pasta, minus minor "oh look at me I am talking to WCD" post or two.
- Wants to HAMMER EVERYONE, but just not Pasta!!!

[Swowl]

That's what I got.
I think that GK has some sort of an ability that makes them BP when they are the hammer which is why they were so insistent upon it. They didn't go for Pasta because they thought it was going no exile, but then they came in 10th hour on WCD because they had mathed out that I could shoot 2 people and needed the BP.

And then all the other stuff.

[Swowl]

That's what I got.
I think that GK has some sort of an ability that makes them BP when they are the hammer which is why they were so insistent upon it. They didn't go for Pasta because they thought it was going no exile, but then they came in 10th hour on WCD because they had mathed out that I could shoot 2 people and needed the BP.

And then all the other stuff.

Correction, sorry - "They didn't go for Pasta because they thought they could get no exile and then they hammered WCD to remain BP"..... AND THEN ALSO hammered Glooble to keep said BP.

[Swowl]

I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.

[EFHW]

A case!

[EFHW]

Swowl, why did you target Didds with your vig?

[EFHW]

I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.

How about "Pick a player. They will return investigation results as if they were you." Requires gk and Dylan to converge on both picking Glooble, so I don't know if it's very likely. They tried to kill Dylan, not me. Dylan had a bulletproof.

[EFHW]

If both of us kept the same character as last season we would gain an additional power, which I believe for me is an X-shot passive bulletproof ability that is only active under a certain condition (that LL knows but I think is better to not tell scum).

[gkrieg13]

My wanting to hammer people is because of my character arc.

[gkrieg13]

I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.

How about "Pick a player. They will return investigation results as if they were you." Requires gk and Dylan to converge on both picking Glooble, so I don't know if it's very likely. They tried to kill Dylan, not me. Dylan had a bulletproof.

This is interesting. Again, it requires a very unlikely series of events rather than the simple answer of Swowl lying.

It also requires me to have 4 actions (Cylon copping, deck discard stuff, hammering for bulletproof, manipulate investigative results), on top of being able to use a factional kill.

Which would mean all 3 members of one faction have a manipulative ability each.

Also requires me to have tried to kill Dylan, who was not townread by people, and was not gunning for me.

Also means that I tried to hammer and get the bulletproof every night instead of just times I thought I might be shot, which is a very bold play.

[EFHW]

Was there proof of the deck discard action?

[EFHW]

The bulletproof wouldn't have been needed until last night. That's the only unexplained failure of an attempt to kill you. There could be a different reason for that. The bulletproof theory isn't key to a case on you.

[gkrieg13]

The bulletproof wouldn't have been needed until last night. That's the only unexplained failure of an attempt to kill you. There could be a different reason for that. The bulletproof theory isn't key to a case on you.

What could the other reason be?

[gkrieg13]

Was there proof of the deck discard action?

Yes. N2 I put Special counsel back in the draw deck, which was verified by it being in the draw deck when the discard pile was trashed.

[gkrieg13]

The bulletproof wouldn't have been needed until last night. That's the only unexplained failure of an attempt to kill you. There could be a different reason for that. The bulletproof theory isn't key to a case on you.

What could the other reason be?

I guess my point is that another reason requires yet another ability that I would need to have.

[EFHW]

Was there proof of the deck discard action?

Yes. N2 I put Special counsel back in the draw deck, which was verified by it being in the draw deck when the discard pile was trashed.

Why did you pick that one?

[EFHW]

scola or Didds could have done that.

[Swowl]

I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.

How about "Pick a player. They will return investigation results as if they were you." Requires gk and Dylan to converge on both picking Glooble, so I don't know if it's very likely. They tried to kill Dylan, not me. Dylan had a bulletproof.

This is interesting. Again, it requires a very unlikely series of events rather than the simple answer of Swowl lying.

1 --- It also requires me to have 4 actions (Cylon copping, deck discard stuff, hammering for bulletproof, manipulate investigative results), on top of being able to use a factional kill.

2 --- Which would mean all 3 members of one faction have a manipulative ability each.

3 --- Also requires me to have tried to kill Dylan, who was not townread by people, and was not gunning for me.

4 --- Also means that I tried to hammer and get the bulletproof every night instead of just times I thought I might be shot, which is a very bold play.

1 - One of those abilities could of belonged to a skum mate. Would have to pretty much be deck discard I guess. Unless you have day chat.

2 - You are accusing me of being a Re Director, is that not considered Manipulative ability? Why is it ok for all 3 members of one faction to have it when it is me, but not you?

3 - They were claimed blocker and claimed investigation, you would want that gone.

4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc. Day 1, ofc you want it huge RMM. Day 2, you resulted Math got off and then back on to make sure you get it... why not? Day 3, You didn't get it because the importance of going no exile for your mate scola outweighed the importance of the BP. Day 4 Now there is a vig in play, you want that shield... so again you hammer. Day 5, Why not take it? easy wagon on glooble, no one gonna look twice at it.

[gkrieg13]

I also have no explanation for the Dylan night action shit. I am left to assume I am right about them needing to meet their exact win con so they lied and cultivated the best possible set of results for us to act on.
There is nothing that can explain Dylan telling the truth.

How about "Pick a player. They will return investigation results as if they were you." Requires gk and Dylan to converge on both picking Glooble, so I don't know if it's very likely. They tried to kill Dylan, not me. Dylan had a bulletproof.

This is interesting. Again, it requires a very unlikely series of events rather than the simple answer of Swowl lying.

1 --- It also requires me to have 4 actions (Cylon copping, deck discard stuff, hammering for bulletproof, manipulate investigative results), on top of being able to use a factional kill.

2 --- Which would mean all 3 members of one faction have a manipulative ability each.

3 --- Also requires me to have tried to kill Dylan, who was not townread by people, and was not gunning for me.

4 --- Also means that I tried to hammer and get the bulletproof every night instead of just times I thought I might be shot, which is a very bold play.

1 - One of those abilities could of belonged to a skum mate. Would have to pretty much be deck discard I guess. Unless you have day chat.

2 - You are accusing me of being a Re Director, is that not considered Manipulative ability? Why is it ok for all 3 members of one faction to have it when it is me, but not you?

3 - They were claimed blocker and claimed investigation, you would want that gone.

4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc. Day 1, ofc you want it huge RMM. Day 2, you resulted Math got off and then back on to make sure you get it... why not? Day 3, You didn't get it because the importance of going no exile for your mate scola outweighed the importance of the BP. Day 4 Now there is a vig in play, you want that shield... so again you hammer. Day 5, Why not take it? easy wagon on glooble, no one gonna look twice at it.

1. Which scum mate?

2. I'm not saying you are a redirector. I think you just have two targeting abilities and targeted Dylan, Glooble, and EFHW N4.

3. I guess so? I just think it is easier to get an exile on them if I really wanted them gone.

4. I mean, I would not have leaned so hard on the whole "I want to be the hammer" thing if it gave me a power. It being a character arc thing makes a lot more sense there.

[gkrieg13]

scola or Didds could have done that.

It is listed as a miscellaneous ability, which neither scola or Didds had.

[gkrieg13]

Was there proof of the deck discard action?

Yes. N2 I put Special counsel back in the draw deck, which was verified by it being in the draw deck when the discard pile was trashed.

Why did you pick that one?

Really, I just wanted to use the power and it seemed like a decent one. Looking back, I'm not sure it is the best executive order, but my options were limited to what Jack had said was in the discard pile D2.

[Swowl]

Swowl, why did you target Didds with your vig?

My shot only works on Military. WCD was Admiral, so 100% sure they were Military.
My shot also does not work if I ended the previous day voting for a Human.

Pasta flipped red, and the only way we even got that was because you came in with the double vote in the 10th hour. I assumed that at a minimum 1/2 other people off the wagon had to be a partner.

Essentially, my reasoning was that 1 of 3 things could happen...

1. Shot fails. The only reason my shot would fail to kill WCD is if GK is human. Which, as I mentioned at the time, would clear GK fairly well and condemn WCD - because at least one of them had to be a partner of Pasta.

2. Shot succeeds, WCD flips Town. Bummer, but I caught GK. Decent enough trade.

3. Shot succeeds, WCD flips Skum. Awesome. And also awesome, GK is not a human. So likely skum.


In reality... you came in and claimed WCD targeted me which is likely the cause of my shot not working. So, ultimately meant nothing for GK, but still... WCD likely skum... which is why I continued to vote for them.

PPe

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

edit - also glooble was alive at the time.

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?

Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?

Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?

Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?

Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?

Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?

He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?

Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?

Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?

He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.

but then I didn't target him. in regards to results.

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?

Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?

Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?

He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.

but then I didn't target him. in regards to results.

Ok, so maybe you blocked Jack?

[Swowl]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?

Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?

Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?

He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.

but then I didn't target him. in regards to results.

Ok, so maybe you blocked Jack?

OK cool. Why? What would be my motivation to do that? Honestly, after the claims, what would be my motivation to do anything?

[EFHW]

Jack was a rolestopper. I think you would still count as targeting Dylan, but it would fail because of Jack.

[gkrieg13]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

Not sure, but probably block Dylan or Jack, kill EFHW or Dylan, maybe give radiation poisoning to the third?

Not sure what a third power would be, maybe make someone hated?

Cool.
You think Dylan's results are true right? How did he get them if I blocked him?

He was commuted by Jack, making him untargetable.

but then I didn't target him. in regards to results.

Ok, so maybe you blocked Jack?

OK cool. Why? What would be my motivation to do that? Honestly, after the claims, what would be my motivation to do anything?

I'm not sure I see the point of all of this, but to kill EFHW, you need her to not be commuted by Jack, so you block Jack and try to kill EFHW?

I'm not sure if you tried to block Dylan, which block would go through first anyway.

This conversation has turned into me trying to guess what possible powers you can have out of the universe of all possible mafia powers (including ones made up specifically for this game) and why you would take any action when you may have thought that you would be blocked (which was not a 100% anyway) by Dylan. Are you implying that with everything claimed you would have just done nothing and just hoped that Dylan would be exiled? This is distracting from the fact that whatever actions you took N4, you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack, if Dylan was telling the truth about his actions.

I have two verified abilities (which could not have been performed by my partners, because their powers flipped with them). For your kills to not go through, I would need a blocking ability or bulletproof. Then if Dylan is telling the truth, I need a manipulative power to give him the incorrect results. Then, on top of all of that, I need to have just skipped the kill N4, since nothing else explains the missing N4 NK.

[gkrieg13]

-snip-

4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.

Also, a character arc is worth a decent amount of legacy points, so trying to complete it seems very worth it.

[gkrieg13]

EFHW, is this conversation helping you decide? I'm not sure I have much more time to devote to this game.

[EFHW]

EFHW, is this conversation helping you decide? I'm not sure I have much more time to devote to this game.

I'm not sure.  I was going to vote Swowl, but I liked his analysis of your posts. At times he has felt very towny to me. Other times I've been distracted by a certain lack of clarity - not lately - and while that feels scummy, I'm not sure that it is. You have been very even all game. Usually I scumread you as town.  This game you have been different. 

I realize I'm dragging it out a bit. This has been a strong game for town and I would hate for us to lose now.

[EFHW]

-snip-

4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.

Also, a character arc is worth a decent amount of legacy points, so trying to complete it seems very worth it.

Hm, mine is worth 1 point.

[gkrieg13]

-snip-

4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.

Also, a character arc is worth a decent amount of legacy points, so trying to complete it seems very worth it.

Hm, mine is worth 1 point.

Oh interesting. Mine is 3.

[gkrieg13]

EFHW, is this conversation helping you decide? I'm not sure I have much more time to devote to this game.

I'm not sure.  I was going to vote Swowl, but I liked his analysis of your posts. At times he has felt very towny to me. Other times I've been distracted by a certain lack of clarity - not lately - and while that feels scummy, I'm not sure that it is. You have been very even all game. Usually I scumread you as town.  This game you have been different. 

I realize I'm dragging it out a bit. This has been a strong game for town and I would hate for us to lose now.

But you have scumread me this game, for the last few days.

Not that it really means much anyway.

[gkrieg13]

-snip-

4 - I find it more likely you would risk it for something like BP than you would in attempts to complete you character arc.

Also, a character arc is worth a decent amount of legacy points, so trying to complete it seems very worth it.

Hm, mine is worth 1 point.

Oh interesting. Mine is 3.

Oh I read it wrong. It’s just two points.

[EFHW]

There are some discrepancies around Swowl. He didn’t get irradiated and all three of his claimed vig shots have failed - Didds, Dylan and gk.

gkrieg's point about no kill N4 doesn't work bc Dylan had bulletproof. But Dylan having some chance of being bulletproof would discourage either of you from targeting him, if you noticed that detail buried in tons of posts. Neither of you has mentioned it.  Did either of you see it?

[gkrieg13]

There are some discrepancies around Swowl. He didn’t get irradiated and all three of his claimed vig shots have failed - Didds, Dylan and gk.

gkrieg's point about no kill N4 doesn't work bc Dylan had bulletproof. But Dylan having some chance of being bulletproof would discourage either of you from targeting him, if you noticed that detail buried in tons of posts. Neither of you has mentioned it.  Did either of you see it?

I did not see it, but I also don’t have a PR that would care much about that kind of thing.

[EFHW]

So my guess is that Dylan actually had the power he claimed, but was redirected by Swowl, which is why he got the result that he did, with Swowl targeting Dylan and also EFHW.

I also just realized that this is the quote you keep restating. I do not believe that you are a redirector any more. I just think you targeted Dylan, EFHW, and Jack N4 with different actions (two personal roles and one factional kill).

Ok cool cool cool. What abilities do I have in which I am selecting those 3 targets?
Kill - X
Ability 1 - Y
Ability 2 - Z

Players alive at the time were (excluding myself) [Dylan, Jack, EFHW, GK, LaLight].

I have an explanation that is way simpler than anything I think you can come up with here - but for the sake of argument, what is your theory?

What's your simpler explanation?

[EFHW]

Even the highest ranks of the human military apparently are conspiring to overthrow the current Human-Cylon governing body. It is good that you managed to unmask these conspiracies. And yet you wonder, how many such blows can your alliance still take?

WestCoastDidds has been sent to the brig! They were Kara Thrace, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:

• manipulative
• radiation, killing

Swowl is Admiral of the Fleet!

Didds targeted Swowl N3. There is no blocking power to explain his vigs failing, but there is also no power that she would be likely to want to use on a partner.

[gkrieg13]

Even the highest ranks of the human military apparently are conspiring to overthrow the current Human-Cylon governing body. It is good that you managed to unmask these conspiracies. And yet you wonder, how many such blows can your alliance still take?

WestCoastDidds has been sent to the brig! They were Kara Thrace, and they were Resistance-aligned. They had the following powers:

• manipulative
• radiation, killing

Swowl is Admiral of the Fleet!

Didds targeted Swowl N3. There is no blocking power to explain his vigs failing, but there is also no power that she would be likely to want to use on a partner.

Manipulative could be a godfatherer or reflector or something else.

[EFHW]

Or making him exile-proof, if I want to be really pessimistic.

[EFHW]

{Insert expletive} vote: Swowl

[gkrieg13]

I really am town, so we should have just won!

[EFHW]

{Swoons with relief}

[gkrieg13]

I was worried there at the end, but I think the series of night actions made it hard for Swowl to make a solid case.

[EFHW]

Emotionally, he had me. But logic won out.

[EFHW]

Here's to hoping faust doesn't have one final twist for us!

[gkrieg13]

Here's to hoping faust doesn't have one final twist for us!

Exactly.

[faust]

Day 6 Final Vote Count

Swowl (2): gkrieg13, EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): Swowl

Not Voting (1): Cylons

With 3 alive, it took 2 to exile.

[faust]

You spare one last glance back to Caprica, as Galactica takes off to the skies. You had a shaky ride here, but in the end, something strong grew out of the connection of your two species. Both of your peoples have found it in themselves to forgive, nevermind those reactionary types who wished to perpetuate the war. On a world scarred by your conflict, a new hope has begun, and a path has been laid for you to find the thirteenth colony.

For all the good that Caprica has given you, it has begun increasingly clear that there can be no permanent settlement on Caprica. This world may need decades, even centuries to heal before it is again fit for life. But God in Their wisdom has given you a hint, a pointer towards another planet, a true home. You cannot wait to reach it.

Swowl has been sent to the brig! They were Sharon Valerii, and they were Resistance-aligned! They had the following powers:

• manipulative
• manipulative

Town has won the game! The Believer-aligned faction of Dylan32 and Jack Rudd has also won!

[Swowl]

Well played! More tomorrow.
GGs everyone.

[LaLight]

So I would assume the thread is unlocked?

Thank you everyone, thanks EFHW for believing in Dylan. I guess I was killed, because I would open the day voting for Swowl.

Also Dylan, thanks for the game! You're amazing.

Everyone, awesome job! See ya in Season Three!

[EFHW]

Amazing game, faust!

[Glooble]

How much are we allowed to discuss here, given the legacy situation?

[LaLight]

How much are we allowed to discuss here, given the legacy situation?

I would think if there would be something that should stay hidden, faust would prohibit it

[Glooble]

I just really want to know if I'm policy-exiling Dylan day one of game 3 or not.

[gkrieg13]

I also want to know that, but given Swowls abilities, I’m guessing probably not.

[LaLight]

I believe Dylan told the truth. He confirmed as much in the speccy fwiw

[Dylan32]

I just really want to know if I'm policy-exiling Dylan day one of game 3 or not.

Yeah, I won't post QTs or anything right now like after a normal game, but like I said during the game, the only thing I ever lied about was being town prior to the believer full claim. I targeted Swowl and you, Glooble. Until QTs are made public, you are free to believe me or not, but I even said during the game that it was possible (but I felt unlikely) that Swowl was the only person of the two of you who had targeted anyone that night, but given the 3 names I got back it just seemed more likely that those were split between the two of you, which would imply you had lied about your powers.

[Dylan32]

Good job closing it out EFHW and gkrieg.

[Dylan32]

So I would assume the thread is unlocked?

Thank you everyone, thanks EFHW for believing in Dylan. I guess I was killed, because I would open the day voting for Swowl.

Also Dylan, thanks for the game! You're amazing.

Everyone, awesome job! See ya in Season Three!

I did what I could. Glad you got over whatever suspicion you had after Kobol, but to be fair I wasn't town, so good read I guess lol. We need to have a QT together more often haha.

[Swowl]

Sorry for the short response last night, not salty or anything, was just tired and also if we being completely honest the whole "faust could have a twist in play" thing... didn't wanna outmyself if something crazy happened

Was a fantastic game, really enjoyed it. Unfortunately, these two posts pretty well summarize my situation when Dylan was pro pro town and also targeted me...

I was worried there at the end, but I think the series of night actions made it hard for Swowl to make a solid case.

Emotionally, he had me. But logic won out.

Spent the entirety of the last day pretty much saying to myself "why are you trying, there is literally no point you can make that is gonna counter the claims" lol. But whatever, hand we were dealt, had to try. Props to EFHW (and GK) for making the right call in the end. Also, Dylan telling truth and GK had it right on the second guess... so that was awkward lol

Had a very specific win con - which made kill selection ridiculously hard all game.

Uh what else... Didds homie sorry I stole you fake claim! I had literally no clue what to do when we all snapped to the mass claim and mine was just the worst to open with.

Honestly a little bummed after such a strong open, but such is mafia! Great game everyone. Looking forward to the next one!

[gkrieg13]

Sorry for the short response last night, not salty or anything, was just tired and also if we being completely honest the whole "faust could have a twist in play" thing... didn't wanna outmyself if something crazy happened

Was a fantastic game, really enjoyed it. Unfortunately, these two posts pretty well summarize my situation when Dylan was pro pro town and also targeted me...

I was worried there at the end, but I think the series of night actions made it hard for Swowl to make a solid case.

Emotionally, he had me. But logic won out.

Spent the entirety of the last day pretty much saying to myself "why are you trying, there is literally no point you can make that is gonna counter the claims" lol. But whatever, hand we were dealt, had to try. Props to EFHW (and GK) for making the right call in the end. Also, Dylan telling truth and GK had it right on the second guess... so that was awkward lol

You did a great job the last day. I think if it had kept going on, I was losing a lot of steam and time.
I'm glad I guessed correctly!

Uh what else... Didds homie sorry I stole you fake claim! I had literally no clue what to do when we all snapped to the mass claim and mine was just the worst to open with.

When I went back and read everything, I honestly thought you may have stolen Didds fake claim, because what you claimed just seemed to line up with her actual powers, but I didn't want to say anything that would detract from the main argument.

[Dylan32]

Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?

[Swowl]

Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?

Re direct/ kill efoo

[EFHW]

Good job closing it out EFHW and gkrieg.

Thanks. I had strongly suspected and strongly townread both of them over the course of the game, and logic didn't work out so great with the Glooble exile, so it was a bit of a nail-biter for me.

[EFHW]

Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?

Re direct/ kill efoo

How did Jack fit in?

[Swowl]

Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?

Re direct/ kill efoo

How did Jack fit in?

took the gamble on moving the block to Jack so that they could not proc someone. Then shot at you. If I was blocked, otoh I wanted as many random results to come up as possible. The targeting of Glooble was a good play which messed with that a bit.

[Dylan32]

Swowl, would you say what you actually did that night I blocked you? Obviously seems like kill, manipulate, manipulate, but what were they, and did you actually try to kill me or EFHW?

Re direct/ kill efoo

How did Jack fit in?

took the gamble on moving the block to Jack so that they could not proc someone. Then shot at you. If I was blocked, otoh I wanted as many random results to come up as possible. The targeting of Glooble was a good play which messed with that a bit.

Yeah I thought about only blocking 1 person, but I might have gone glooble instead which would have been interesting, because I would have been redirected, but I would have gotten no results (jack did nothing that night). I’m that case, when EFHW died, I would have come after you hard lol.

[LaLight]

also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.

[Glooble]

also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.

It’s fine, I was mostly just tilted from having no one believe I was town.

[Uncleeurope]

also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.

It’s fine, I was mostly just tilted from having no one believe I was town.

I understand that feeling.

[Swowl]

also Glooble, sorry to you for being irritating! I didn't mean it, I was sure you were scum and this bias kept me from even trying to listen to you.

It’s fine, I was mostly just tilted from having no one believe I was town.

I believed you were town

[Swowl]

hold hold up I forgot about this.
Who tried to cure irradiation the night mix died? Was it mix or did someone actually cure didds?

[LaLight]

hold hold up I forgot about this.
Who tried to cure irradiation the night mix died? Was it mix or did someone actually cure didds?

not me$

[MiX]

hold hold up I forgot about this.
Who tried to cure irradiation the night mix died? Was it mix or did someone actually cure didds?

It was me, I picked Glooble.

[WestCoastDidds]

hold hold up I forgot about this.
Who tried to cure irradiation the night mix died? Was it mix or did someone actually cure didds?

It was me, I picked Glooble.

I think we successfully redirected him Swan! Of course that left my fake claim plans in shambles, but still….

[WestCoastDidds]

MiX didn’t have to administer the doses like Scola. MiX just needed to target someone to heal them.

[WestCoastDidds]

(We figured that out in the speccy)

[MiX]

That reminds me, how did LL's power work then? I was curious about that the whole game.

How was administering doses different from just targeting people?

[LaLight]

That reminds me, how did LL's power work then? I was curious about that the whole game.

How was administering doses different from just targeting people?

It was just healing

How my other power worked I am still not sure, I asked faust in QT yesterday, but he still haven't answered

[Dylan32]

Random fun fact: This game got me back to an even record of wins and losses on here for the first time since RMM37.

[gkrieg13]

I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).

[2.71828.....]

I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).

I thought you were species cop (cylon vs human) and we got lucky in that the cylon you discovered wasn't town

Because I was actually a cop who only got results for cylons. So I knew D2 EFHW was a town-aligned cylon, and then was killed before I got a result on Jack. Which would have been an interesting result for D3, and actually not sure that it would have been helpful for town to reveal Jack/Dylan's alignment

[EFHW]

I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).

So what was scummy about the yellow team/Cylon extremists? Did they have nefarious powers? What was the wincon?

[EFHW]

I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).

I thought you were species cop (cylon vs human) and we got lucky in that the cylon you discovered wasn't town

Because I was actually a cop who only got results for cylons. So I knew D2 EFHW was a town-aligned cylon, and then was killed before I got a result on Jack. Which would have been an interesting result for D3, and actually not sure that it would have been helpful for town to reveal Jack/Dylan's alignment

That's great! I finally know who I am! (Did anyone redirect e N1?)

[2.71828.....]

Went back and read EFHW, and can definitely see a scum!EFHW narrative.  Don't think it could get off the ground at this point for today but I would vote there

Also, went back and have changed my mind here, scum narrative doesn't fit, EFHW seems like town to me

Also, for anyone looking for it, this was my attempt at a breadcrumb. "Went back" was "investigated" with a town result

[Swowl]

Went back and read EFHW, and can definitely see a scum!EFHW narrative.  Don't think it could get off the ground at this point for today but I would vote there

Also, went back and have changed my mind here, scum narrative doesn't fit, EFHW seems like town to me

Also, for anyone looking for it, this was my attempt at a breadcrumb. "Went back" was "investigated" with a town result

Gah... I missed by a day. I had to choose the timing, but I set EFHW up to appear as skum to cop results on N2 and I totally could of done it night 1 if I thought it was the right play. Bleh!

[Swowl]

<b>Are we doing the whole post game voting thing again?</b>

[Swowl]

try again...

Are we doing the whole post game voting thing again?

[MiX]

<b>Are we doing the whole post game voting thing again?</b>

Scum slip. Oh wait.

Also, can we share speccy? I asked about this last game, but not this one.

[mathdude]

I thought it was interesting that my cop ability only had a 50/50 chance of finding scum (that was a Cylon).

So what was scummy about the yellow team/Cylon extremists? Did they have nefarious powers? What was the wincon?

We had quite nefarious powers that we just didn't get the chance to use (I also didn't quite understand one initially, or I may have used them a bit differently... didn't figure out the intricacies until after ash was dead). Our wincon was to have all humans outside our faction dead, which is why my one role was a species cop (which I fully knew, but tried to make it seem unknown like gkrieg was doing with his)... so I fully knew Jack was a Cylon (species).

[Jack Rudd]

so I fully knew Jack was a Cylon (species).

Well, that makes one of us. (My role DM didn't say whether I was human or cylon, and it's a character where the flavour could have gone either way.)

[mathdude]

so I fully knew Jack was a Cylon (species).

Well, that makes one of us. (My role DM didn't say whether I was human or cylon, and it's a character where the flavour could have gone either way.)

Setup specifically said we will not know our species, I believe. However, my role told me I was "a Number 8", which is pretty telling.

[faust]

Are we doing the whole post game voting thing again?

Yes, there will be the usual postgame shenanigans. I need some time to set it up and I'm busy this weekend, so it might take a bit more time. Same goes for character arc completion.

[faust]

Also, can we share speccy? I asked about this last game, but not this one.

Yes, speccys can always be shared. Here is the one from this game:

https://www.quicktopic.com/53/H/uMudaQ5Enh4ug

[Swowl]

Gosh darn it!
EFHW was a  cylon? If I just shot her instead of LL that could of possibly ended the game :/ Needed all Cylons dead.

[LaLight]

Gosh darn it!
EFHW was a  cylon? If I just shot her instead of LL that could of possibly ended the game :/ Needed all Cylons dead.

i don't know if I was

[WestCoastDidds]

Yeah, I wonder if red and green could have won togther

[LaLight]

Yeah, I wonder if red and green could have won togther

the only two factions with mutually exclusive wincons were red and orange. so i guess, town could win with everyone?

[LaLight]

funnily enough - after we exiled/killed orange faction, everyone could claim and all the rest could win together

[faust]

With the game concluded, it is time to choose end-of-game modifications to the rules. Each player may select 3 of the modifications below, and put them in an order. Points will be assigned as follows:
5 for 1st choice
3 for 2nd choice
1 for 3rd choice
Players who won may select a 4th modification, which will fill up their list after the communal selection is completed (if one of their choices was already selected). You may pick No Change as a possible choice. You may pick fewer than the maximum amount of choices. The choices must be different. Here are the possible modifications (grayed out choices are no longer pickable):

Game Modifications available


Add player slot
In all future games, there will be 15 players in the game rather than 14. Signups will be opened for this slot. The new player starts with 3 legacy points per finished game.

Add card to the executive order deck
Choose one of the following cards to be added to the deck:

Course for Kobol Trigger a turning point. Remove this from the game. Judicial reform Today, the votes of the President and Admiral each count as two votes. This does not impact the number of votes required to exile. Special Counsel Pick a player when choosing this. After this Night, that player's alignment will be revealed, and there will be an additional Night phase.

Vote of Confidence Trigger a Presidential Election. The current President cannot be exiled today. (new) Checks and Balances Remove the Executive Order that the Admiral discarded today from the campaign. (new) Martial Law Until the start of the following Day, any player who is removed from the game dies.

Remove card from the executive order deck
Pick any card in the executive order deck and remove it from the campaign.

Bankable deadlines
This changes the rules for deadlines as follows: The first Day phase lasts for as many days as twice the amount of players in the game. All subsequent Day phases last 3 days. When a Day ends prior to the deadline, all time left over in that Day will be carried over as extra time for the following Day.

Day 1 plurality exile
In the first Day, an exile will always occur, even when no player reaches the number of votes needed to exile. In that case, the exile will be the player with the most votes at the end of the Day. Tiebreakers are, in order:
- the vote of the President
- the vote of the Vice President or Admiral
- the number of prods the players in question received
- the number of civilian votes on the players
- town-aligned players flip before non-town-aligned players

Separate military from government
Remove the role of Vice President from the game. Add the role of Admiral to the game. Executive orders now work as follows: The Admiral draws 3 cards, discards one, the President receives the remaining cards and chooses one to enact.
The Admiral can secretly choose a successor. When they are removed from the game, their successor takes their place. Otherwise, a random military player becomes Admiral.

Term limits
Whenever a President reaches their third Day in office, trigger an election, in which that player cannot be voted for.

(new) Voting reform
Players who have been incapacitated or sent to the brig may still vote in Presidential elections.

(new) Apartheid
Choose either human or Cylon. Players of the chosen sepcies take one vote less to exile, and may not run for President.

[faust]

Every player should indicate in their personal QT whether they wish to Keep their character or Switch to another character. This is void if your character has been removed from the campaign.

The President may choose one character that was sent to the brig this game and remove them from the campaign.

[Jack Rudd]

1. Add player slot
2. Voting Reform
3. Add XO: Vote of Confidence
4. Bankable Deadlines

[2.71828.....]

What is the voting deadline?

[faust]

Modification Vote Count 0

Add player slot (5): Jack Rudd (5)
Voting Reform (3): Jack Rudd (3)
Add: Vote of Confidence (1): Jack Rudd (1)
Bankable deadlines (0): Jack Rudd (0)

Not Voting (13): mathdude, WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, 2.71828....., ashersky, gkrieg13, mathdude, Glooble

Voting closes on August 12, 2021, 12:00:00 pm.

[LaLight]

1. Voting Reform
2. Remove XO: Isolate Colonial One
3. Day 1 Plurality
4. Vote of confidence

[mathdude]

Modification Vote Count 0

Add player slot (5): Jack Rudd (5)
Voting Reform (3): Jack Rudd (3)
Add: Vote of Confidence (1): Jack Rudd (1)
Bankable deadlines (0): Jack Rudd (0)

Not Voting (13): mathdude, WestCoastDidds, MiX, EFHW, scolapasta, LaLight, Dylan32, A Drowned Kernel, Swowl, 2.71828....., ashersky, gkrieg13, mathdude

Voting closes on August 12, 2021, 12:00:00 pm.

You really want to make it clear that I'm not voting yet, don't you? Is that why I'm listed twice?

[MiX]

1. Term limits
2. Voting reform
3. Add: Vote of Confidence
4. Remove: Military Police Force

[Dylan32]

1. Term Limits
2. Add: Vote of Confidence
3. Remove: Isolate Colonial 1
4. Voting Reform

[EFHW]

1. Add player
2. Voting reform
3. Term Limits
4. Add XO: Vote of Confidence

[WestCoastDidds]

1. Voting reform
2. Remove Xo: civilian jurisdiction
3. Add CO: checks and balances
4. Add player

[EFHW]

Remove Lee Adama from the game.

[Glooble]

Apartheid: Cylons
Add XO: Vote of Confidence
Voting Reform
Term Limits

[Glooble]

Actually I changed my mind.

1. Add XO- Vote of Confidence
2. Term Limits
3. Voting Reform
4. Day 1 plurality exile

[gkrieg13]

Term limits
Add vote of confidence
Add player
D1 plurality exile

[faust]

Modification Vote Count 1

Add player slot (11): Jack Rudd (5), EFHW (5), WestCoastDidds (0), gkrieg13 (1)
Voting Reform (20): Jack Rudd (3), LaLight (5), MiX (3), Dylan32 (0), EFHW (3), WestCoastDidds (5), Glooble (1)
Add: Vote of Confidence (8): Jack Rudd (1), LaLight (0), MiX (1), Dylan32 (3), EFHW (0), gkrieg13 (3)
Bankable deadlines (0): Jack Rudd (0)
Remove: Isolate Colonial One (4): LaLight (3), Dylan32 (1)
Day 1 plurality exile (1): LaLight (1), Glooble (0), gkrieg13 (0)
Term limits (19): MiX (5), Dylan32 (5), EFHW (1), Glooble (3), gkrieg13 (5)
Remove: Military Police Force (0): MiX (0)
Remove: Civilian Jurisdiction (3): WestCoastDidds (3)
Add: Checks and Balances (1): WestCoastDidds (1)
Apartheid: Cylons (5): Glooble (5)

Not Voting (6): mathdude, scolapasta, mathdude, A Drowned Kernel, mathdude, Swowl, mathdude, 2.71828....., mathdude, ashersky, mathdude

Voting closes on August 12, 2021, 12:00:00 pm.

[faust]

You really want to make it clear that I'm not voting yet, don't you? Is that why I'm listed twice?

I have no idea what you are talking about

[faust]

Remove Lee Adama from the game.

Confirmed. This selection may be changed up until the voting deadline.

[ashersky]

1. Apartheid
2. Plurality Vote

[ashersky]

1. Apartheid
2. Plurality Vote

Oh, Humans for #1.

[Swowl]

How many of these are being put into play? Just the top 1?

[Swowl]

Martial Law - How does this effect win cons? Example - If a player meets their win con and is then removed from the game and the game continues... what are the repercussions for that player for "dying"?

[faust]

How many of these are being put into play? Just the top 1?

The top vote among all players is chosen, and after that, the top vote of the remaining choices among all winning players.

[faust]

Martial Law - How does this effect win cons? Example - If a player meets their win con and is then removed from the game and the game continues... what are the repercussions for that player for "dying"?

You can still win, and receive legacy points, for a game in which your character dies. You can also still fulfil the character arc, provided that requires no further action after the character's death.

The player will be assigned a new character for the next game.

[Swowl]

1. Day 1 plurality exile
2. Term Limits
3. Apartheid - Cylons

[faust]

Modification Vote Count 2

Add player slot (11): Jack Rudd (5), EFHW (5), WestCoastDidds (0), gkrieg13 (1)
Voting Reform (20): Jack Rudd (3), LaLight (5), MiX (3), Dylan32 (0), EFHW (3), WestCoastDidds (5), Glooble (1)
Add: Vote of Confidence (8): Jack Rudd (1), LaLight (0), MiX (1), Dylan32 (3), EFHW (0), gkrieg13 (3)
Bankable deadlines (0): Jack Rudd (0)
Remove: Isolate Colonial One (4): LaLight (3), Dylan32 (1)
Day 1 plurality exile (9): LaLight (1), Glooble (0), gkrieg13 (0), ashersky (3), Swowl (5)
Term limits (22): MiX (5), Dylan32 (5), EFHW (1), Glooble (3), gkrieg13 (5), Swowl (3)
Remove: Military Police Force (0): MiX (0)
Remove: Civilian Jurisdiction (3): WestCoastDidds (3)
Add: Checks and Balances (1): WestCoastDidds (1)
Apartheid: Cylons (6): Glooble (5), Swowl (1)
Apartheid: Humans (5): ashersky (5)

Not Voting (4): mathdude, scolapasta, mathdude, A Drowned Kernel, mathdude, mathdude, 2.71828....., mathdude, mathdude

Voting closes on August 12, 2021, 12:00:00 pm.

[scolapasta]

1. Term Limits
2. Voting Reform
3. Remove XO: Isolate Colonial One

[scolapasta]

Sorry, been awol for a while.

I'm still bitter EFHW exiled me (with her two votes), based on not believing my claim which was all legit (I really had to go get doses, and then could cure after).

I am curious who targeted me N1, since my dose retrieval failed.

Once thing I did not realize until too late is that I could've cured the same night I retrieved, so I could have cured myself N2 (when I did successfully retrieve) and never have shown as poisoned. Would've been a different game then, I think. Oh well.

[mathdude]

Faust obviously didn't want me to vote, so I didn't.
But if I did, I probably would have voted:
1. Term Limits
anyway.

[WestCoastDidds]

Modification Vote Count 2

Not Voting (4): mathdude, scolapasta, mathdude, A Drowned Kernel, mathdude, mathdude, 2.71828....., mathdude, mathdude

Voting closes on August 12, 2021, 12:00:00 pm.

Bwhahahahahaha

[faust]

Final Modification Vote Count

Add player slot (11): Jack Rudd (5), EFHW (5), WestCoastDidds (0), gkrieg13 (1)
Voting Reform (23): Jack Rudd (3), LaLight (5), MiX (3), Dylan32 (0), EFHW (3), WestCoastDidds (5), Glooble (1), scolapasta (3)
Add: Vote of Confidence (8): Jack Rudd (1), LaLight (0), MiX (1), Dylan32 (3), EFHW (0), gkrieg13 (3)
Bankable deadlines (0): Jack Rudd (0)
Remove: Isolate Colonial One (4): LaLight (3), Dylan32 (1), scolapasta (1)
Day 1 plurality exile (9): LaLight (1), Glooble (0), gkrieg13 (0), ashersky (3), Swowl (5)
Term limits (27): MiX (5), Dylan32 (5), EFHW (1), Glooble (3), gkrieg13 (5), Swowl (3), scolapasta (5)
Remove: Military Police Force (0): MiX (0)
Remove: Civilian Jurisdiction (3): WestCoastDidds (3)
Add: Checks and Balances (1): WestCoastDidds (1)
Apartheid: Cylons (6): Glooble (5), Swowl (1)
Apartheid: Humans (5): ashersky (5)

Not Voting (3): mathdude, 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel

Term limits is the community choice for a modification!

Modification Vote Count (Winners only)

Add player slot (13): Jack Rudd (5), EFHW (5), gkrieg13 (3)
Voting Reform (21): Jack Rudd (3), LaLight (5), MiX (5), Dylan32 (1), EFHW (3), Glooble (3)
Add: Vote of Confidence (15): Jack Rudd (1), MiX (3), Dylan32 (5), EFHW (1), gkrieg13 (5)
Remove: Isolate Colonial One (6): LaLight (3), Dylan32 (3)
Day 1 plurality exile (3): LaLight (1), Glooble (1), gkrieg13 (1)
Remove: Military Police Force (1): MiX (1)
Apartheid: Cylons (5): Glooble (5)

Not Voting (2): 2.71828....., A Drowned Kernel

Voting reform is the winner's choice for a modification!

Lee Adama has been executed! One Insurrection is added to the Executive Order deck.

[mathdude]

Is season 3 starting soon, or will another game or two play before it?

[faust]

Is season 3 starting soon, or will another game or two play before it?

It will take some more time.