Vig claim is 100% the go-to claim for scum in this game, especially now that they know there is one.
I swear, I will never understand this community's blind faith in obviously self-serving claims.
None of those quotes communicates a vig claim to me, and even if they did, scum would absolutely be setting up for a possible vig claim so it proves nothing.
Look, if there is another vig then it's ideal for them to counterclaim now. If there isn't then MiX is IC.
Is it really ideal for them to out themselves and play right into scum's hands? I think that's at the very least up for debate.
Well no you're right. they should not claim of course. They should just shoot MiX tonight.
Well, no: scum!me has bulletproof. Scum should counterclaim me today, not in 2 days and say that I was bulletproof.
I know that faust holds an extremely low opinion of the utiility of vigs and thinks that they should never shoot and probably should self-vote on day 1 just in case, but the vig we have in this game seems pretty good and maybe worth keeping alive.
Says the guy that wanted to essentially hammer the vig. Honestly, I'm no longer useful, since one of the scum has a 1-shot bulletproof, and the bodyguard's dead. I'm just an IC...a MIC if you will.
MiX, what’s you take on EFHW? Dylan?
joth is town, ash is townie but fits in a lot of scumteams, Space is obv!town, faust is scum with ash or now, Didds is not doing much but then again she's tunneling EFHW less than I usually am, EFHW is town, Dylan's townie with a lot of bad reads and very scummy pushes that make him more scum than town, gkrieg hasn't done anything that town does yet.
These are my reads. Yeah they're not very detailed, my reads are a mess, considering my 3 strongest reads are dead. Then again, I killed one of them, so...
I'm just not seeing EFHW being scum this game, if she is scum then she's trying to scumhunt and not trying to help mcmc accomplish anything, I also don't see an agenda for D2 either. I disagree with a lot of things Dylan's saying, but they always seem reasonable and this game is no different. I should probably reread his scum games, since I remember him not being this cool as scum, but his posts are so opportunistic and he seems to have a different goal than other people here.
As for MiX, I think the claim makes a load of sense in context. Mathdude didn't come close to claiming vig, but MiX is very easily biased, so the moment he saw a potential PR he read too much into it and rushed into trying to get an exile through. I still maintain that my suggestion of letting Mathdude claim more fully before rushing into anything would have been the correct play, and that anyone urging anything else was acting against the interests of town.
I'm just gonna cut the first paragraph, I can't talk about it enough without getting into too many NAI things.
Well, math clearly did a "Roleblocker or Vigilante" claim, even Dylan saw that. I saw it and took my chances. Of course I was biased, as the Vig I overblew the chances that he was claiming Vig. I rushed the exile, but my vote was already on him, I couldn't do anything myself, in fact scum did, not town. My reasoning for voting math to E-1 there was so we could continue the day: as joth had implied earlier, we weren't stopping before math claimed, and I wanted town to have as much time as possible to look at someone else as an alternative. Tell mcmc that he shouldn't had hammered; of course not, and if you say that I gave mcmc cover for him to hammer, tell that to his dead body. I didn't allow my play to help scum.
This is all useless now that I'm a MIC, but I still want to justify myself.