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[J Reggie]

Re-read PPS D1.  McGarg comes off as strong town on re-read.

LaLight as well, unless he was super coached.

Paco seems most likely partner, followed by ash.

Ftfy.

[ashersky]

His first post of Day 2 basically confirms J Reggie or Paco for me.

[ashersky]

The player notably absent from the PPS re-read is SpaceAnemone.  Like, ZERO mention or interaction of note until the second post of D2 by PPS.

That's...strange.

Knowing PPS's scum style well, it's not really like him to just ignore a partner.

Still, something to note.

[ashersky]

Re-read PPS D1.  McGarg comes off as strong town on re-read.

LaLight as well, unless he was super coached.

Paco seems most likely partner, followed by ash.

Ftfy.

Well, of course you'd remove yourself from there.  How do you feel about Paco?

[J Reggie]

Re-read PPS D1.  McGarg comes off as strong town on re-read.

LaLight as well, unless he was super coached.

Paco seems most likely partner, followed by ash.

Ftfy.

Well, of course you'd remove yourself from there.  How do you feel about Paco?

Actually he's my second biggest scum read. First is you. I don't like how you were rolefishing.

[ashersky]

Re-read PPS D1.  McGarg comes off as strong town on re-read.

LaLight as well, unless he was super coached.

Paco seems most likely partner, followed by ash.

Ftfy.

Well, of course you'd remove yourself from there.  How do you feel about Paco?

Actually he's my second biggest scum read. First is you. I don't like how you were rolefishing.

I still don't know when I was rolefishing.  PPS says it was when I thought whomever said the D2 comment was scum.

Are you agreeing with scum!PPS?  Or is there some other thing you thought was rolefishing?

[ashersky]

Also, vote: J Reggie, I think, for reacting 1000% the way scum would to my re-read + question.

(Queue his OMGUS vote.)

[J Reggie]

Re-read PPS D1.  McGarg comes off as strong town on re-read.

LaLight as well, unless he was super coached.

Paco seems most likely partner, followed by ash.

Ftfy.

Well, of course you'd remove yourself from there.  How do you feel about Paco?

Actually he's my second biggest scum read. First is you. I don't like how you were rolefishing.

I still don't know when I was rolefishing.  PPS says it was when I thought whomever said the D2 comment was scum.

Are you agreeing with scum!PPS?  Or is there some other thing you thought was rolefishing?

You were trying to get zigaton to claim. Whether you're scum or not that's what you were doing.

[ashersky]

Re-read PPS D1.  McGarg comes off as strong town on re-read.

LaLight as well, unless he was super coached.

Paco seems most likely partner, followed by ash.

Ftfy.

Well, of course you'd remove yourself from there.  How do you feel about Paco?

Actually he's my second biggest scum read. First is you. I don't like how you were rolefishing.

I still don't know when I was rolefishing.  PPS says it was when I thought whomever said the D2 comment was scum.

Are you agreeing with scum!PPS?  Or is there some other thing you thought was rolefishing?

You were trying to get zigaton to claim. Whether you're scum or not that's what you were doing.

When?

[pacovf]

Re-read PPS D1.  McGarg comes off as strong town on re-read.

LaLight as well, unless he was super coached.

Paco seems most likely partner, followed by J Reg.

Just checking, but you know that McG is dead, right? And SpaceAnemone is still alive.

[SpaceAnemone]

Just checking, but you know that McG is dead, right? And SpaceAnemone is still alive.

Yeah, sorry -- I'm out tonight so I'm sneakily checking the forum on my phone but I'm probably going to be quite quiet till tomorrow.

[SpaceAnemone]

Wow, it's too quiet in here! Is everyone just waiting for Paco's promised re-reads on Sunday or something?

I'm going to read over J Reggie again, since I still feel like there's a good chance he's not as innocent as Paco was insisting he was last time I tried making a case.

#68 His first game post is a vote for Paco.
#96 Votes Ash, and also townreads Paco for the thing he'd voted him for earlier.
#248 Day pass for Zigaton -- seems townie, especially in retrospect.
#253 Votes zigaton.
#273 Unvotes.
#294: "I guess I could see a McGarnacle-zigaton scum team."
#298 On board with Ash's Rolecop plan, which sounds good, but then scum would already have known there wasn't one in the game anyway!
#313: "Also as far as doing stuff, I just proposed a possible scum team." (McGarnacle-Zigaton, at #294).
#324 Puts McGarnacle up to L-1.
#339 FH on McGarnacle. This is where all his town points seem to come from, but it's only one post.
#365: "Ash is scum and has a plan for his partner to claim."
#374 unvotes after McGarnacle claims.
#395 votes RR (taking #2 spot on the wagon).
#406 agrees with Ash about disagreeing with my JR case, but downplays the extent to which he's willing to agree I'm town.
#413 "Sounds like he's soft claiming, so let's not prod any further." -- which LL immediately suggests JR should not have said. Not very townie on JR's part.
#477 "I'm not sure about this recent stuff from PPS. I think I want RR to flip so we can analyze it." Is this the first time JR's mentioned PPS all game?
#465 Starts D2 with a vote for Ash.
#472 Jumps on PPS as soon as LL points out the slip. Could be trying to bus, though.
#478: "PPS is bad at reading setups but his reaction is scummy." -- but that didn't stop him jumping directly on the wagon anyway.
#538: Points out PPS wifom, claims IC yet again, suggests Ash is most likely PPS's buddy.
#557: "I definitely voted for PPS. Also I'm town, so don't lynch me."
#558, #563 Lots of wifom stuff. Not sure it helps us to be made to dwell on what PPS said when he was obviously trying to hurt us.
#582 More about the zigaton softclaim that he drew attention to the first time he challenged Ash on it.

Posts in which he claims out-right to be town: #74, #202, #258, #557
Posts in which he claims out-right to be IC: #256, #312, #538

Lessons learned:
1) JR has been throwing suspicion on Ash for longer than I'd realised. Though after RVS, he was only really voting for Ash for a very short time between early D2 and the point at which LL outed PPS.
2) He really likes telling us he's town and IC. Is that even a good thing to do if you really are town? I guess it's a thing that Ash will be able to tell use from meta?
3) The thing he's mostly throwing at Ash now is the fact that he drew attention to Zigaton's soft-claim. However, re-reading that bit now makes it look like it was really JR calling unnecessary attention to Ash's casual query, so maybe it's JR who did something questionable there, especially since LL picked him up on it right afterwards.

[SpaceAnemone]

Also condensed Ash, while I'm on a roll with this whole reading thing :-)

#83: "Newbie here, looking forward to my first game." Well, even some of us newbies know that's a total fabrication, but the rest of his opening seemed ultra-townie.
#84 Suggests LL is Paco's partner when the Paco wagon goes quite fast and LL unvotes.
#97: "Paco is old school -- famed for his ruthlessness."
#104: "Not me and RR, me and PPS." Correcting McGarnacle when he voted for RR instead of PPS as the person who'd be scary in combination with Ash.
#111: "PPS speaks the truths." Agreeing that Paco's opening could totally be from scum.
#129 Votes LL without putting any justification at all into the post.
#135 Explains why he thinks LL is being scummy.
#156: "Could vote for McGargle."
#167: "This joke is scummy.  Plus emoticon." Now I'm feeling kind of down on him just for saying that smilies are bad, and for corrupting people's names.
#182 Says that PPS is his only townread; seems happy to lynch pretty much anyone else in the game.
(A bunch of intervening posts about nicknames).
(A digression about the little green square thing).
#227: Commentary about Paco being hard to read.
#228 Votes RR (also giving no reasoning in the same post).
#246 Says Zigaton could be newbie scum.
#254 Says everyone's scummy after JR votes for Zigaton.
#290 Demonstrates scummy response from RR.
#295 "Do you really think one would bus the other in that newbie team-up?" in response to JR's McGarnacle-Zigatron pairing suggestion. I think I missed the thing about it being sush an unlikely chain of events in my re-read of JR!
#296 Rolecop fishing expedition. On the one hand, townie; on the other, "cop" is the one and only noun to appear as both a town and scum role, and the scum team would already have known by this stage that there was a vanilla cop in the game. I'd wondered at first if that was what he was asking for, so if I'd been the vanilla cop, I may well have accidentally outed myself if I hadn't gone and looked at the set-up to try and infer what clever thing he'd seen.
#355 "Makes PpS scummier, just like his reaction to my Rolecop idea." (Ash on PPS's commenting on the FH).
#356 "Like he's protecting a newbie partner." How does breaking a FH on a player that scums must already know is town help a newbie scum partner anyway? I can see that having a successful FH is bad for scum because we get an IC out of it, but not why being a newbie matters in particular.
#364 More of the rolecop fishing.
#370 Terrorizing scum newbies into detectable silence.. I guess it's actually quite townie when he puts it that way.
#405: "Disagree completely with SA's J Reg case."
#412: "Why D2 specifically?" -- this is the bit where he asks about Zigaton's assertion that he'll be more sure of LL in D2. Zigaton's English was a little odd, though I think his intention was pretty clear.
#428: "RR is the scummiest today, and seems to not have made any town lists." This seems valid, in spite of the fact we now know that RR was town :-(
#461: "Still like PPS for scum.  Probably partners with J Reggie?" (First post of D2).
#462: "If I'm anyone but me and PPS, I think it's me and PPS, btw." Now things get confusing!
#463 He seems surprised that Zigatron had softclaimed, and doesn't even seem to recall accurately that McGarnacle had claimed motion detector. Weird.
#464: "For now, town on SA/McGarg. Scum on PPS/Pacovf. Scratch that last post with J Reggie.  Need to re-read that one."
#481-#481 Votes and unvotes PPS a bit.
#510 Hammers PPS, having pointed out a couple more scum things in between.
#514: "Paco strikes me as most likely partner."
(A bit of twilight stuff including the wifom thing on Ash from PPS).
#550 Suspicion on LL for claiming IC because he caught PPS's scumslip.
#551 Ban on fast lynching. Seems like a good idea, but also there's not much conversation going on now.
#572: "I will now point out that PPS foiling my Rolecop claim plan was clearly scum not liking my town plan to catch scum." I'm still not quite seeing this.
#576: "His first post of Day 2 basically confirms J Reggie or Paco for me."
#577: "The player notably absent from the PPS re-read is SpaceAnemone." It would look bad if I don't include this in my summary of relevant stuff, but I think didn't notice at the time he wasn't talking to me about game people. My main impression of him D1 was someone who wasn't afraid to press buttons, but who seemed to respect the other oldies.
#580: "I still don't know when I was rolefishing." Really? The Zigaton thing has come up a number of times now...
#581 Votes J Reggie.
#581 "(Queue his OMGUS vote.)" -- Am I the only one who can't help suggesting that that wants to be "Cue" rather than "Queue"? Sorry!

So things I want to know from here are:
1) Howcome Ash keeps denying the thing about Zigaton and fishing for his PR at #412?
2) Does Ash's "protecting a newbie" explanation actually make sense to other people?

I'm going to wait to hear what Paco makes (or avoids?) of the wifom thing before even trying to deal with it, because we've already got JR's take on it anyway.

[ashersky]

I meant queue up, I think.  Cue also works.

[ashersky]

I like SA rereads.  They have clearly read my superb town performances, given the format matches.

[LaLight]

I like SA rereads.  They have clearly read my superb town performances, given the format matches.

I like them too. The only option left is JReggie.

[ashersky]

The why D2 specifically thing is specifically not a rolefish.

[ashersky]

I like SA rereads.  They have clearly read my superb town performances, given the format matches.

I like them too. The only option left is JReggie.

Him or Paco.

[LaLight]

I like SA rereads.  They have clearly read my superb town performances, given the format matches.

I like them too. The only option left is JReggie.

Him or Paco.

I think I made reread on Paco from which it is clearly seen he is town. Reread it

[ashersky]

The why D2 specifically thing is specifically not a rolefish.

I read his post to say "I'll know better in the future."

I was curious why he thought D2 -- made me think right away that he'd decided he wasn't the NK.

[ashersky]

I like SA rereads.  They have clearly read my superb town performances, given the format matches.

I like them too. The only option left is JReggie.

Him or Paco.

I think I made reread on Paco from which it is clearly seen he is town. Reread it

You mean where you just quoted stuff?  That's called IIoA.

[LaLight]

I like SA rereads.  They have clearly read my superb town performances, given the format matches.

I like them too. The only option left is JReggie.

Him or Paco.

I think I made reread on Paco from which it is clearly seen he is town. Reread it

You mean where you just quoted stuff?  That's called IIoA.

I don't know what the combination of the letters means.

[LaLight]

I like SA rereads.  They have clearly read my superb town performances, given the format matches.

I like them too. The only option left is JReggie.

Him or Paco.

I think I made reread on Paco from which it is clearly seen he is town. Reread it

You mean where you just quoted stuff?  That's called IIoA.

also, I've made some decisions based on "quoted stuff"

[J Reggie]

The why D2 specifically thing is specifically not a rolefish.

I read his post to say "I'll know better in the future."

I was curious why he thought D2 -- made me think right away that he'd decided he wasn't the NK.

Yeah, I totally believe this  . You're the other scum.

[ashersky]

The why D2 specifically thing is specifically not a rolefish.

I read his post to say "I'll know better in the future."

I was curious why he thought D2 -- made me think right away that he'd decided he wasn't the NK.

Yeah, I totally believe this  . You're the other scum.

What's the scum motivation for pressing him on that post?  If folks saw it as a softclaim, that's already all the info needed for scum, right?