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[J Reggie]

The why D2 specifically thing is specifically not a rolefish.

I read his post to say "I'll know better in the future."

I was curious why he thought D2 -- made me think right away that he'd decided he wasn't the NK.

Yeah, I totally believe this  . You're the other scum.

What's the scum motivation for pressing him on that post?  If folks saw it as a softclaim, that's already all the info needed for scum, right?

You want more info about what PR he is? Idk let's just lynch you.

[pacovf]

I'm going to wait to hear what Paco makes (or avoids?) of the wifom thing before even trying to deal with it, because we've already got JR's take on it anyway.

I am not sure I understand, which WIFOM are you talking about? What PPS said after he got lynched? I think the wisest course of action would be to ignore. I agree with J Reggie that some of it might not be as WIFOMy as the rest, but still trying to psychoanalize someone over the internet seems dangerous at best.

Also agree that this day is going too slowly (partially due to the fact that there's about half as many people as during D1), but I am too busy to reread right now, and I don't really want to put my vote down before I do so.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm going to wait to hear what Paco makes (or avoids?) of the wifom thing before even trying to deal with it, because we've already got JR's take on it anyway.

I am not sure I understand, which WIFOM are you talking about? What PPS said after he got lynched? I think the wisest course of action would be to ignore. I agree with J Reggie that some of it might not be as WIFOMy as the rest, but still trying to psychoanalize someone over the internet seems dangerous at best.

Also agree that this day is going too slowly (partially due to the fact that there's about half as many people as during D1), but I am too busy to reread right now, and I don't really want to put my vote down before I do so.

Yes, the stuff PPS was saying around the time of his lynch and twilight. Ignoring is a good answer, since it means less reading and puzzling for me!

I don't mean to stop and not re-read you too, but I had stuff on this evening. I'm going to be away and computerless for the weekend yet again, but I'm going less far than last weekend, and for slightly less long. I'll phone-lurk and maybe do short posts like last time :-)

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 3.1

J Reggie (2): LaLight, ashersky

Not Voting (3): J Reggie, pacovf, SpaceAnemone

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends at Oct 6, 17:00 forum time. That is in 5 days and 12+ hours.

[J Reggie]

Wait I'm not voting? vote: ash

[J Reggie]

Oh wow I'm at L-1. You guys should vote for ash if you're town and you want to win. Scum is probably already voting for me.

[ashersky]

Oh wow I'm at L-1. You guys should vote for ash if you're town and you want to win. Scum is probably already voting for me.

L-1 with no hammer for awhile makes you more likely to be scum.  Scum is always harder to lynch than town.

[J Reggie]

Oh wow I'm at L-1. You guys should vote for ash if you're town and you want to win. Scum is probably already voting for me.

L-1 with no hammer for awhile makes you more likely to be scum.  Scum is always harder to lynch than town.

By that logic you're even more likely to be scum.

[J Reggie]

I'm trying to decide whether I should self hammer. If I do you need to lynch ash.

[pacovf]

Self-gammering is completely anti-town, don't do it.

[pacovf]

*hammering, sorry, phone posting.

[pacovf]

I mean, I am reasonably sure it's either you or ashersky, and he's likely to be the lynch tomorrow (IMHO), so we would still win, but ugh just don't do it.

[ashersky]

Self-gammering is completely anti-town, don't do it.

As he's scum, he definitely won't do it.  There are very few players on this board willing to self-hammer as scum in these types of situations.

[ashersky]

Oh wow I'm at L-1. You guys should vote for ash if you're town and you want to win. Scum is probably already voting for me.

L-1 with no hammer for awhile makes you more likely to be scum.  Scum is always harder to lynch than town.

By that logic you're even more likely to be scum.

I'm not at L-1.  It's hard to get me there because only scum really wants to lynch me.  Townies either 1) have the correct gut feeling that I'm town or 2) are not sure enough to remove one of the last remaining veterans.

I'm not 100% sure it's you, but I feel strongly about it.  And we're in good enough shape that we can be wrong today, lose a townie at night, and be in a fairly good position at LYLO to figure out who's the final scum.

Like, I'd almost put money on the idea that if we lynch you and are wrong, the final three are me, Paco, and LaLight.

[LaLight]

Oh wow I'm at L-1. You guys should vote for ash if you're town and you want to win. Scum is probably already voting for me.

L-1 with no hammer for awhile makes you more likely to be scum.  Scum is always harder to lynch than town.

By that logic you're even more likely to be scum.

I'm not at L-1.  It's hard to get me there because only scum really wants to lynch me.  Townies either 1) have the correct gut feeling that I'm town or 2) are not sure enough to remove one of the last remaining veterans.

I'm not 100% sure it's you, but I feel strongly about it.  And we're in good enough shape that we can be wrong today, lose a townie at night, and be in a fairly good position at LYLO to figure out who's the final scum.

Like, I'd almost put money on the idea that if we lynch you and are wrong, the final three are me, Paco, and LaLight.

Because you'll kill SA?
I think I will be killed at night.

[J Reggie]

Ash, if you're town, unvote now. Otherwise you will be lynched tomorrow.

[ashersky]

Ash, if you're town, unvote now. Otherwise you will be lynched tomorrow.

Sounds like you think I'm town and you are worried scum will hammer.

[ashersky]

Ash, if you're town, unvote now. Otherwise you will be lynched tomorrow.

Want to vote Paco with me?

[J Reggie]

Ash, if you're town, unvote now. Otherwise you will be lynched tomorrow.

Sounds like you think I'm town and you are worried scum will hammer.

No, I'm worried there's a chance you might be town and are losing the game for us.

[pacovf]

I am currently working on my reread right now (ugh), but I have a question:

J Reggie, have you ever encountered a fake hammer in any of your f.ds games?

[pacovf]

D1:

PPS says Lalight unvote of me is scummier (108)

SA insists Lalight is usual Lalight (110)

Ash votes Lalight over helpfulness (129), PPS agrees

Lalight claims VT out of nowhere (133), complains about helpfulness being scummy

Ash says he could vote for McG (156) (because smileys), PPS asks why. Sort of starts wagon

RR votes McG over smileys (177)

ash readlist, only one town read, PPS (182). PPS gives opinion (188)

JR stands against finding smileys scummy, insists he's town (202)

my case on PPS and vote (212), starts wagon

PPS says he was avoiding buddying ash (217)

ash votes RR (228), starts wagon, McG had two votes on him

Lalight votes McG (229)

Lalight casts suspicion on RR and JR lurking (234)

JR votes RR, mentions hard to form reads because he doesn't know people (238)

ash casts suspicion on Zig lurking (246)

JR says to give day pass to Zig (248), then votes Zig (253), which ash says is scummy (254), then unvotes because meta (273)

ash insists RR is scummy (290)

JR could see McG-zig scum team (294), ash asks if he sees them bussing each other (295)

ash says rolecop should claim (296), JR agrees, then PPS asks what's the sense in it (305)

JR votes McG (324), L-1, then fake hammers (339), Lalight asks why complains he whould have had enough time to claim (340)

PPS starts diffusing fake claim

ash says PPS looks scummier (355), "like he is protecting a newbie partner"

JR says ash is scum and has a plan to make his partner claim (365)

McG claims motion detector

Lalight votes PPS, no explanation (383)

PPS readlist :

Anyhow, since I have a busy day ahead;

confTown:
McGarnacle

Maybe town:
J Reggie
SA

Null (from light to dark):
pacovf
ashersky
zigaton

Scum:
RR
LaLight

JR votes RR (395)

SA's case on JR (404), ash disagrees (405)

Zig soft claims (410), ash picks up on it, JR says not to prod, Lalight points out that was a silly thing to say

ash insists RR is scummy (428)

Lalight says he could lynch PPS or RR (433), then says he doesn't want to lynch RR because he was busy (438)

McG votes PPS (439), 3rd vote

PPS says scummiest is Lalight (443), votes RR (L-1)

JR unsure about PPS latest analysis, wants RR to flip (447)

McG derphammers (448)


Other notes from D1: ash speaks very little compared to what I am used to, JR constantly claims IC, McG and Lalight fight a lot.


D2:

PPS mentions ash rolefishing, reverses his mind on Lalight (457), Lalight votes ash without explanation

ash says scum on PPS/me (464)

JR votes ash (465)

PPS doubles down on ash, feels a bit forced (468)

When did I become a scum read for you, ashersky? You counted me town all yesterday except when I didn't play along with your parlor games. Now that I'm onto you your story changes?

You flat out fished Zigaton and J Reggie immediately called it out for what it was:

Lalights calls PPS scumslip and votes (471), JR votes too (472). Lalight goes hard on PPS

ash votes PPS (481), unvotes etc. Later quickhammers (510)

Twilight, lots of stuff from PPS


D3:

Lalight claims IC because scumsplip. Says PPS likely helped newscum, so wants to vote SA or me (549)

ash says previous comment from Lalight makes it seem like scumslip was fabricated, plans to reread (550)

Lalight rereads, votes JR (554), says things will be clearer after lynch

JR tries to analyze PPS twilight comment, can't really conclude (558)

ash rereads PPS D1, says I am most likely partner, then JR (574), notes SA absent from PPS posts (577)

JR says ash is biggest scumread, then me (579)

ash votes JR (581)



CONCLUSIONS:

I didn't even bother rereading SA in detail because they are so clearly town, my time is spent better anywhere else. I mean, if they are scum, they 120% deserve to win.

The constant attack of PPS on Lalight during D1, Lalight's (unexplained) vote on PPS right after McG claims, when RR was a perfectly good alternative, later refusal to vote for RR despite PPS being the only alternative, and picking up the "scumslip" in D2... pretty much guarantees Lalight is town. Realizing this already justifies the time I spent rereading.



That leaves only J Reggie and ashersky.

What I like about J Reggie: fake hammer of McG, instant vote on PPS after scumslip.

What I dislike about J Reggie: votes and positions a bit too jumpy, insistence on ICness, many scumreads on town.

What I like about ashersky: uuuh... PPS quickhammer, occasional defense of people known to be town now.

What I dislike about ashersky: casts suspicion on lots of people during D1, but rarely votes. Suddenly becomes his usual self after D2 is underway, after a long D1 where he was mostly in the shadows. Avoidance of PPS until quickhammer opportunity appears. Leads mislynch on RR. Rolefishing.

[pacovf]

J Reggie feels like a bit of a tossup, but ashersky has waaaay too many strikes against him to vote anyone else today.

Not voting for him yet, because in the unlikely case he is town, he is capable of self-hammering out of disgust. But do consider my vote to be on him.

[ashersky]

I think your pass for LaLight is dangerous.

[ashersky]

Refreshing playing with players who know very little about meta.  Every vet spectating is screaming about how I'm so transparent.

[J Reggie]

I am currently working on my reread right now (ugh), but I have a question:

J Reggie, have you ever encountered a fake hammer in any of your f.ds games?

Yes.