ADK, as promised:
Vote: Awaclus
Someone after my own heart.
vote: Melisandre
Vote: seprix for repeatedly voting for people trying to get us out of RVS.
This early real vote a standard town ADK move. A couple of posts supporting his vote. Moves to Teproc:
ADK is obvtown already, this is going great.
vote: Teproc
Which is sensible, except wait that's me. What the hell guys.
@silverspawn it's just a bad feeling I get when I see people pushing back against people who make real votes and reads early. Scum wants to try and shut down and discourage actual discussion. Also "you can't have a real read yet! vote so-and-so" is an easy way for scum to look like they're contributing without taking a particularly risky position.
Good points. Continues to explain his positions on Seprix and Teproc. Some back and forth with Teproc. More explanations. Some judgements:
So opinion poll:
J Reggie, gkrieg, Teproc:
Mafia, town, neither
Discuss.
Why's gkrieg on the list? null, null, scum.
vote: Melisandre
Vote: seprix for repeatedly voting for people trying to get us out of RVS.
@A Drowned Kernel - I still don't understand this: tell me why "repeatedly voting for people trying to get us out of RVS" is scum-indicative?
Putting pressure people who express strong opinions early is good for scum- they get to have an opinion without putting themselves at too much risk, and it can put people who are trying to scumhunt on the defensive. There's a scum motivation for doing what Seprix did.
Well, okay, but putting pressure on people early (for various reasons) is what you do, as town.
Man, that was my real reaction looking at Seprix's post. If it looks "fake" to you I don't know how to argue against that, sorry.
Sounds honest.
I don't like the votes on Seprix. I disagree with his stance but it looks to me like he's earnestly trying to scumhunt.
Defending the person attacking you. A bit anti-OMGUS; scum sometimes does this when they're overly conscious about OMGUSing. Some more D1 reads:
I've landed as town on Melisandre, just because I think town is much more likely to do the reaction-fishing "gotcha" thing. Also probably town on Jan, I might sheep him on liopoil.
Discussing with the new people, links some of his own games where he's suspected D1 as town and scum. Scum tends to do this kind of thing more than town. ("Hey, I have nothing to hide.")
Games where I got early pressure as Town: [...]
Two of those are before I began playing and one is offsite. That might explain why I thought you never got early pressure.
I think they also stand larger in my own mind than in other people's. But the point is, it's happened, and maybe Melis will get something illuminating out of it.
It's difficult to form reads with this many damn people. Like I just looked at the player list and Hydrad's apparently in this game? What has he said?
I'd totally say this if Hydrad was my partner.
Mmm I need to be less literal. I think on average town waffles more than scum, scum tries to look super certain of their reads.
This is true. Votes Liopoil:
vote: liopoil
I've been busy and will be vla later but I will post more before I go.
Explains:
So, before I leave for a camping trip:
I disagree with Lio that there's "no towny response" to RR's question, or at least as far as I'm concerned; I would have found a terse "no" or a sarcastic rejoinder at the very least null. But lio went from 0 to super nervous in no time flat. And his complaint about their being "no towny response" is indicative of a scum perspective, because as scum you're super aware of how your posts will be scrutinized.
I'm keeping my vote where it is. I'm fine if we lynch him before I get back.
A big reads post that I'm not going to quote all of.
Highlights:
*Hedges on Lio.. settles on he 'feels different/weird' rather than 'is scummy'. His uncertainty on Lio feels legitimate, though.
*Goes town on Gkrieg because Gkriek isn't elaborating much on his thought process, and scum tends to overexplain. I agree with this premise, but not so sure about the partciular case of Gkrieg. Gkrieg is an overxplainer as town.
*Goes town-side-of-hull on Fontisian. No comment there as I haven't read much of Font's posts.
*Town-reads Silverspawn for being engaged, critical, and relaxed. Not sure those are good reasons for Silver.
*RR-reads RR for being RR. I can't disagree with anything there.
*Melisandre: Strong townread for being bold, getting reactions from people. Seems fair enough without knowing Melisandre, but then again the night is dark and full of scum.
*Would lynch Seprix, doesn't say much about him. Seems a bit of a defacto scum read.
*Says Hydrad is ultra-lurky, would lynch.
*Says he'll try to overcome Awaclus bias, good luck buddy. Ends up wanting to lynch anyway.
*Town-side-of-null on JReggie. Looks like an honest read.
*Says Haddock is town, though not really much reasoning. Sounds more like "I don't have a read here."
*Says Ichi is townie, if not of a strong presence
*Scum reads e. Points sound fair enough, though I haven't read e yet.
*Says Jan/Font is town v. town. That seems to be happening a lot this game. Thinks Jan is town for basically the same reasons as he does Melisandre.
*Slight town on Teproc for being within town!Teproc meta.
*Finally gets to the bottom line:
So my lynchpool looks like:
liopoil, Hydrad, Awaclus, Seprix, e. The liopoil read is probably the strongest, with e after that, and I think those would be the most informative lynches. I'm going to go with
Vote: e
This whole post gives me a towny feeling on ADK. There is some evidence of applying formulaic principles to assign reads to people (opinionated, engaged, in meta => town; lurking, weird, forced => scum), but it's not like you're not going to do that to some extent as town (and legitimately so). Generally it's a high content post that isn't easily replicated as scum. I suppose it betrays a bit of symmetry... 5 scum in 16 players, that's about right-ish. A few strong town reads, a handfull of weaker town reads, a couple "look like themselves".
Goes back to Lio:
vote: liopoil looks good to me.
Then back to e:
Jan actually has a really good point about the way these weapons formed.
vote: e
Then back to Lio:
E's not happening? vote: liopoil l-2?
Also I'm fine lynching through pretty much any claim at this point. Claims are worth a lot than people seem to think.
I think you mean to say, not lynching someone because of their claim is far more skippable than people think.
Continues to prefer Lio, but doens't seem to be happening. Offers:
Who thinks we could get an awaclus Lynch cobbled together in the next ten minutes?
A man after my own heart. Votes Awaclus:
vote: awaclus
Pushes it, gets the lynch. Responds with a smiley face. Man you really don't do that as scum when you know you just lynched someone. (Note to self: do that as scum.) Though, I guess there's multiball and SK possibilities.
Day 2:
My reads have got kind of muddled here, besides Melis definitely being town.
My gut tells me vote: silverspawn
Silver was a strong town read before. This is kind of good from ADK. Not present through a good part of D2. After not posting much, goes with:
vote: iguana
I can dig it, especially since he's so keen on setting me up for a mislynch.
Kind of a scummy non-explanation explanation. But Iguana was scum, so there's that.
Seprix and ADK, maybe I'm misremembering, but didn't you oppose the Hydrad lynch yesterday? What changed your mind, other than SS's post?
I remember being down for a Hydrad lynch yesterday. Did I oppose it? I'll go check.
He was always in my lynchpool, I don't recall there ever being much momentum on his wagon.
Consistency is scummy here! Notable here is some soft defense on Hydrad from Lio.
A Day 2 catchup:
I'm going to try and be concise and not post another huge wall of text here. This is me doing a day 2 catchup.
-The Ichi kill: I never really voiced my opinion on this, but I think that it's a telling kill, in the sense of being super safe. Ichi wasn't going after anyone particularly strongly yesterday; the fact that he was killed over any of the more vocal players suggests to me that one or more of the big wagons yesterday was on a scum player, and that they didn't want to incriminate themselves by killing someone who was going after them.
-I don't like how e has slammed on the awaclus lynch today. We were at deadline, a lot of people were sitting on their votes and not willing to move. Quick lynches can catch scum with their pants down; I'm not going to apologize for voting the way I did.
-J Reggie looks increasing reactive and opportunistic. I would be willing to place my vote there.
-Seprix seems a lot more town to me today then he day late yesterday. I'm not voting there.
-gkrieg is ringing some alarm bells for me, he also looks like he's pursuing the easy lynches.
-I actually kind of buy silverspawn's scumslip argument on Iguana. And also melis's read of silver based on his posts during the awaclus wagon. I'm currently voting for Iguana I believe? That's a good place for my vote to be.
-Uh okay my lynch is a bad lynch. I'm here, I would vote for iguana or e as my top choices I think. Sorry I let this get this game get away from me, it's been a rough couple of weeks.
PPE: claiming is less much valuable than people give it credit for, scum almost certainly has fakeclaims in a setup like this.
Decent points on the Ichi kill analysis. If ADK is scum and this is the real reason, he probably does not say this. WIFOM, but best to keep people in the dark and wondering. If ADK is scum and this is not the real reason, then ADK probably doesn't think of this. It's not going to occur to you to come up with a fake (and not rote) reason for killing someone when you already have a good reason for it. Townier on ADK for this.
Stays on Iguana for the end of Day 2, doesn't seem thrilled about it but doesn't want to repeat what he did on Day 1. Well, scum!ADK would probably find a reason to not bus his partner here. Really, no need, and not his style.
And that brings us to today. Overall more town than scum on ADK. There is also the fact that Iguana was pretty consistently tunneling ADK, right up until his lynch, and I believe ADK was a viable wagon through some of that.
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