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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2014, 05:13:34 pm »
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Are we sharing lists???  I LOVE LISTS!

Overall:
1.) Masquerade   [X]
2.) Ambassador   [X]
3.) Mountebank   [X]
4.) Rebuild   [X]
5.) Chapel   [X]
6.) Wharf   [X]
7.) King's Court   [X]
8.) Junk Dealer   [X]
9.) Goons   [X]
10.) Witch   [X]

Bottom 10:
196.) Harvest   [X]
197.) Pirate Ship   [X]
198.) Taxman   [X]
199.) Pearl Diver   [X]
200.) Duchess   [X]
201.) Thief   [X]
202.) Secret Chamber   [X]
203.) Transmute   [X]
204.) Adventurer   [X]
205.) Scout   [X]
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2014, 05:24:00 pm »
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i want in!! mh i haven't actually done the big list, but if I did my top 8 would look like this:

1: Mountebank
2. Wharf
3. Rebuild
4. Chapel
5. Fishing Village
6. Ambassador
7. King's Court
8. Masquerade

no just kidding obv. Lookout is #1

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #102 on: February 27, 2014, 05:43:43 pm »
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Qvist, I'm not sure if I'll get the list done in time.  Don't count my submission unless I've told you that I finished it.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2014, 05:44:16 pm »
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 1.) Rebuild   [X]
 2.) Tournament   [X]
 3.) Cultist   [X]
 4.) Goons   [X]
 5.) Masquerade   [X]
 6.) Stonemason   [X]
 7.) Chapel   [X]
 8.) Mountebank   [X]
 9.) Jack of all Trades   [X]
 10.) Sea Hag   [X]

 196.) Counting House   [X]
 197.) Stash   [X]
 198.) Horn of Plenty   [X]
 199.) Chancellor   [X]
 200.) Duchess   [X]
 201.) Transmute   [X]
 202.) Contraband   [X]
 203.) Secret Chamber   [X]
 204.) Trade Route   [X]
 205.) Scout   [X]
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #104 on: February 27, 2014, 07:42:00 pm »
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Was taking a look at the old list, and the Knights stuck out to me:
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Card    2013 Ed. 1
Sir Michael    1
Sir Bailey    2
Dame Sylvia    3
Dame Molly    4
Dame Anna    5
Sir Destry    6
Dame Josephine    7
Sir Vander    8
Sir Martin    9
Dame Natalie    10

I have the feeling these are going to change completely, at least if everyone's caught on to Knight games by this point... -Stef- was right all along that Dame Natalie is a contender for the best (surprise surprise huh), and there is just no way Sir Destry is #6! 
My list is: Destry > Natalie > Sylvia > Michael > Bailey > Molly > Anna > Martin > Vander > Josephine
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #105 on: February 27, 2014, 07:54:58 pm »
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Making some last minute edits:

1.) Ambassador   [X]
2.) Masquerade   [X]
3.) Goons   [X]
4.) Rebuild   [X]
5.) Mountebank   [X]
6.) Wharf   [X]
7.) King's Court   [X]
8.) Junk Dealer   [X]
9.) Chapel   [X]
10.) Steward   [X]

Menagerie almost made it to the top 10.

196.) Philosopher's Stone   [X]
197.) Thief   [X]
198.) Duchess   [X]
199.) Woodcutter   [X]
200.) Stash   [X]
201.) Secret Chamber   [X]
202.) Transmute   [X]
203.) Harvest   [X]
204.) Feast   [X]
205.) Scout   [X]

Oh hey, Adventurer isn't in my bottom 10.

Was taking a look at the old list, and the Knights stuck out to me:
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Card    2013 Ed. 1
Sir Michael    1
Sir Bailey    2
Dame Sylvia    3
Dame Molly    4
Dame Anna    5
Sir Destry    6
Dame Josephine    7
Sir Vander    8
Sir Martin    9
Dame Natalie    10

I have the feeling these are going to change completely, at least if everyone's caught on to Knight games by this point... -Stef- was right all along that Dame Natalie is a contender for the best (surprise surprise huh), and there is just no way Sir Destry is #6! 
My list is: Destry > Natalie > Sylvia > Michael > Bailey > Molly > Anna > Martin > Vander > Josephine

Had a tough time with the Knights. I think Sir Vander is better than people give him credit for.
I have: Michael > Bailey > Sylvia > Natalie > Destry > Molly > Anna > Vander > Martin > Josephine

WanderingWinder sure seems to be changing his mind a lot about the card rankings. You know, since we're all him.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2014, 07:56:07 pm »
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Was taking a look at the old list, and the Knights stuck out to me:
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Card    2013 Ed. 1
Sir Michael    1
Sir Bailey    2
Dame Sylvia    3
Dame Molly    4
Dame Anna    5
Sir Destry    6
Dame Josephine    7
Sir Vander    8
Sir Martin    9
Dame Natalie    10

I have the feeling these are going to change completely, at least if everyone's caught on to Knight games by this point... -Stef- was right all along that Dame Natalie is a contender for the best (surprise surprise huh), and there is just no way Sir Destry is #6! 
My list is: Destry > Natalie > Sylvia > Michael > Bailey > Molly > Anna > Martin > Vander > Josephine


Oh, I disagree with you, sort of. I think Sir Michael (Discard), Sir Destry (Draw), Sir Bailey (Cantrip), and Dame Molly (Actions) are pretty much a tie for first place. Destry and Michael, because their bonuses are good in a vacuum, and Molly and Bailey because they are the only nonterminal Knights, and intrinsically allow you to play other Knights, which is something you want to do.

Dame Anna, Dame Natalie, and and Dame Sylvia come next, roughly in that order, I would say. They are always fine, occasionally better or worse.

Sir Vander is in a tier by himself--a little worse than the girls but not as bad as Martin and Josephine.

Sir Martin is significantly worse than Vander. I guess occasionally he is the only source of extra buy, but you aren't going to hang onto him for long enough for it to matter. If he's on top, you can open with him, but that's often just a trap. He gives you no economy, meaning your opponent actually has a better shot of buying the next Knight, which is always going to be better than Martin unless it's...

Dame Josephine. The worst Knight by a landslide. She has to survive the game to get any sort of bonus. This just doesn't typically happen, and it's hardly worth it anyway.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2014, 08:07:34 pm »
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Nik, is that your list of favorite cards, or best cards? Because Spy over Wharf is utter lunacy.

Heck, my list of favorite cards would have Quarry in basically the same spot you have it, but no one in their right mind would put it in the top 10 straight-up best cards. I mean, it's severely board dependent, only truly shining in +buy heavy engines (where it is beautiful).

Spy over Wharf isn't even the biggest issue in that list. Not by a long shot. Is there some sort of mistake?
Herbalist at 7. Chancellor over Goons. It's... random, almost.

My own top 10:

1. Wharf
2. Ambassador
3. Chapel
4. Goons
5. Masquerade
6. Cultist
7. Mountebank
8. King's Court
9. Steward
10. Tournament

And Bottom 10!

196. Spy
197. Adventurer
198. Contraband
199. Harvest
200. Stash
201. Transmute
202. Thief
203. Bureaucrat
204. Philosopher's Stone
205. Scout
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2014, 08:31:33 pm »
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I actaully never previewed the list...  :-[
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #109 on: February 27, 2014, 08:49:01 pm »
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Hey, it's okay. You can always switch the cards around a little more as you see fit. Still, that list seems kinda off to me. For crying out loud, Goons isn't in the top 60.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #110 on: February 27, 2014, 09:46:44 pm »
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After finishing my individual cost lists last Sunday, I played around a bit with the total list on Monday, leaving all the other lists alone. Checking again just now, I noticed that my $1-4 and $6+ cost lists are completely messed up to the point of being entirely random. Let me quote the 6+ cost one for illustration, kicks and giggles:

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1.) Peddler   
2.) Harem   
3.) Hunting Grounds   
4.) Expand   
5.) Border Village   
6.) Adventurer   
7.) Grand Market   
8.) Farmland   
9.) Bank   
10.) Goons   
11.) Fairgrounds   
12.) Nobles   
13.) Hoard   
14.) King's Court   
15.) Forge 
16.) Altar   

I don't feel like doing everything from scratch again and I have little confidence in a re-entry being correctly preserved anyway, so please ignore my submission entirely.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #111 on: February 27, 2014, 10:16:43 pm »
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Crud. During an attempt to adjust the ranking of fishing village, I turned my main cards list completely upside-down. There's something funny going on with the ranking system. First Nik, then SheCan'tSayNo, then this. Qvist, I know you've postponed the deadline enough as is, but I really feel we should delay the results until we know what the problem here is.

Farmland is now my 3rd-highest ranked card. That's how bad it is.  :o
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2014, 10:47:29 pm »
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After finishing my individual cost lists last Sunday, I played around a bit with the total list on Monday, leaving all the other lists alone. Checking again just now, I noticed that my $1-4 and $6+ cost lists are completely messed up to the point of being entirely random. Let me quote the 6+ cost one for illustration, kicks and giggles:

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1.) Peddler   
2.) Harem   
3.) Hunting Grounds   
4.) Expand   
5.) Border Village   
6.) Adventurer   
7.) Grand Market   
8.) Farmland   
9.) Bank   
10.) Goons   
11.) Fairgrounds   
12.) Nobles   
13.) Hoard   
14.) King's Court   
15.) Forge 
16.) Altar   

I don't feel like doing everything from scratch again and I have little confidence in a re-entry being correctly preserved anyway, so please ignore my submission entirely.
I don't normally use smilies, but...

Adventurer over Goons  :o?

It appears to me that the rankings break down totally when trying to build the total cost list from the bottom up. Either you rank the full list right from the get go and never touch the sub-lists, or you make all your sub-lists and never touch the full list ranking mode. I did the former, so I was fortunate enough to not have these problems.

I don't like all these "ignore my submission" posts that I'm reading here. Dare I ask, is another deadline extension possible?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #113 on: February 27, 2014, 11:10:53 pm »
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I don't normally use smilies, but...

Adventurer over Goons  :o?

Goons is mostly a rather weird combination of a very weak 3-cost (Woodcutter) and two decent 4-costs (Militia and Monument), which--don't get me wrong--certainly isn't bad, but at $6 it directly competes with Gold so you'd really expect something at least equally appealing.

Adventurer, when properly played, draws you two Platina, making it a terminal $10; and in the hands of a true expert it can draw two Horns of Plenty which might enable you to double Colony, making the card effectively a "+$22, +2 buys".
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #114 on: February 27, 2014, 11:26:07 pm »
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I don't normally use smilies, but...

Adventurer over Goons  :o?

Goons is mostly a rather weird combination of a very weak 3-cost (Woodcutter) and two decent 4-costs (Militia and Monument), which--don't get me wrong--certainly isn't bad, but at $6 it directly competes with Gold so you'd really expect something at least equally appealing.

Adventurer, when properly played, draws you two Platina, making it a terminal $10; and in the hands of a true expert it can draw two Horns of Plenty which might enable you to double Colony, making the card effectively a "+$22, +2 buys".
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #115 on: February 28, 2014, 03:55:31 am »
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My top 10:
1.) Goons   [X]
2.) Rebuild   [X]
3.) Mountebank   [X]
4.) King's Court   [X]
5.) Masquerade   [X]
6.) Familiar   [X]
7.) Witch   [X]
8.) Chapel   [X]
9.) Grand Market   [X]
10.) Scrying Pool   [X]

my bottom 10:

196.) Feast   [X]
197.) Adventurer   [X]
198.) Great Hall   [X]
199.) Counting House   [X]
200.) Herbalist   [X]
201.) Woodcutter   [X]
202.) Duchess   [X]
203.) Contraband   [X]
204.) Chancellor   [X]
205.) Scout   [X]

Altogether I'm happy with this list. When I first did the face-offs there were a few cards that looked out of place, so I popped them out with the [X] and usually that put them where they needed to be.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #116 on: February 28, 2014, 05:02:49 am »
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Ok, here my tops and bottoms. I did the duell-mode, if this is interesting for you...

1.) King's Court   [X]
2.) Rebuild   [X]
3.) Grand Market   [X]
4.) Goons   [X]
5.) Possession   [X]
6.) Golem   [X]
7.) Torturer   [X]
8.) Familiar   [X]
9.) Bank   [X]
10.) Governor   [X]

Not sure about Familiar there, but I'm quit happy with the others.

196.) Develop   [X]
197.) Beggar   [X]
198.) Secret Chamber   [X]
199.) Pawn   [X]
200.) Vagrant   [X]
201.) Transmute   [X]
202.) Duchess   [X]
203.) Scout   [X]
204.) Pearl Diver   [X]
205.) Herbalist   [X]

And yes, Scout is NOT last one ;-) But maybe he could change with Pearl Diver...
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #117 on: February 28, 2014, 07:16:02 am »
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There wasn't a send button, so I don't know if it's been sent...if not, here's the list:

No need to post it here. I grab the lists directly from the database.

Crud. During an attempt to adjust the ranking of fishing village, I turned my main cards list completely upside-down. There's something funny going on with the ranking system. First Nik, then SheCan'tSayNo, then this. Qvist, I know you've postponed the deadline enough as is, but I really feel we should delay the results until we know what the problem here is.

Farmland is now my 3rd-highest ranked card. That's how bad it is.  :o

Darn. That's ... weird. Not sure what is causing this. I will look into it.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #118 on: February 28, 2014, 07:53:47 am »
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Why should Scout be THE last one ? After all jokes about it, it would be shameful if it were still last (though it may be at least in the bottom 10%, maybe even 5%).

Oh, and I didn't vote, but last year, my favourite cards were Fishing village (#1), Chapel Apprentice Bishop (#2 #3 #4), forgot which one came first, my first attack was Torturer (#7 or something) and King's court was pretty well ranked too. But I don't remember much about the bottom. (except that #156 and #157 was Possession and Black market, because in Dominion, you must build YOUR OWN deck, with cards from the SUPPLY, according to me).

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #119 on: February 28, 2014, 08:14:23 am »
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As I wrote, I don't know what happened with Familiar, but I did the duell-mode and want to lat it as it is.

I don't think that Possession is that bad. I really think it is good. Of course, it is not when you look at the costs and want to buy it. Me too, nearly never buy it, because it is so expensive. But the card as it is, is good. You get an extra turn!
I hope I understood the lists right and we shouldn't list their strenght relative to their costs. And if I'm right, I think Possession is ok where it is.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2014, 08:19:18 am »
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As I wrote, I don't know what happened with Familiar, but I did the duell-mode and want to lat it as it is.

I don't think that Possession is that bad. I really think it is good. Of course, it is not when you look at the costs and want to buy it. Me too, nearly never buy it, because it is so expensive. But the card as it is, is good. You get an extra turn!
I hope I understood the lists right and we shouldn't list their strenght relative to their costs. And if I'm right, I think Possession is ok where it is.

of course we list strength relative to their cost

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« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2014, 08:24:50 am »
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Oh, if this is right, you should not count my full list :-(

The others you can count of course.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2014, 09:16:34 am »
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Crud. During an attempt to adjust the ranking of fishing village, I turned my main cards list completely upside-down. There's something funny going on with the ranking system. First Nik, then SheCan'tSayNo, then this. Qvist, I know you've postponed the deadline enough as is, but I really feel we should delay the results until we know what the problem here is.

Farmland is now my 3rd-highest ranked card. That's how bad it is.  :o

I think I know what might have happened to you. Maybe it's the same for SCSN.
So, I assume you clicked on the red X on Fishing Village to adjust its ranking.
Well, what it currently does, is the following:
Let's assume you voted that card A is better than B and card B is better than card C. A -> B -> C
Now you delete card B. The two votes (A->B and B->C) get deleted. What I didn't do (as this was a feature I added later) is carrying over the information of A -> C.
I will fix it in the next update.

But, you should be able to recreate the old order by following the duel mode pretty fast as there is only one connection missing (even though the current order seems messed up).

Edit: New update is online.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2014, 03:40:16 pm »
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Replying to Qvist's last comment.  I can't quite figure out how to make the quote work in my comment...

I can confirm that the problem with the cards reverting to random order exists without deleting a card, so the update may not entirely prevent it occurring again.  I had my lists revert to random order twice, and I never deleted a card - not a single time.  The first time I'm pretty sure it was after I tried to do a duel on a single card from the All Cards list after all my other lists were complete and I was trying to see if the duel could rearrange one card.  Afterwards, all lists from $2-$6 plus potions were out of order.  The second time I was not making any changes at all.  I was merely going into the "Switch Rank Mode" so that I could do a copy/paste of my lists into an Excel spreadsheet to preserve the order of the lists I had completely re-created a 2nd time.  The good news was that I made it through all of the lists but one before it happened, but the bad news was I did have to completely redo the $5 list.  The other lists I had saved the order, so was able to manually restore them within an hour or so.  But to emphasize...this time I was doing NO changes at all...I was just doing copy/paste to preserve the lists.  The one thing I might have done that perhaps I should not have was to do a go-back in the browser rather than saving each list (since I was not making any changes I didn't see why they should need to be saved again).

So I had all lists except the All Cards list complete before the 2/28 deadline, and have not touched any of them since.  Is the deadline being extended again to allow others to complete their lists, or are the lists closed now?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2014 Edition
« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2014, 03:43:50 pm »
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I can confirm that the problem with the cards reverting to random order exists without deleting a card, so the update may not entirely prevent it occurring again.  I had my lists revert to random order twice, and I never deleted a card - not a single time.  The first time I'm pretty sure it was after I tried to do a duel on a single card from the All Cards list after all my other lists were complete and I was trying to see if the duel could rearrange one card.  Afterwards, all lists from $2-$6 plus potions were out of order.  The second time I was not making any changes at all.  I was merely going into the "Switch Rank Mode" so that I could do a copy/paste of my lists into an Excel spreadsheet to preserve the order of the lists I had created.  The good news was that I made it through all of the lists but one before it happened, but the bad news was I did have to completely redo the $5 list.  The other lists I had saved the order, so was able to manually restore them within an hour or so.  But to emphasize...this time I was doing NO changes at all...I was just doing copy/paste to preserve the lists.  The one thing I might have done that perhaps I should not have was to do a go-back in the browser rather than saving each list (since I was not making any changes I didn't see why they should need to be saved again).

So I had all lists except the All Cards list complete before the 2/28 deadline, and have not touched any of them since.  Is the deadline being extended again to allow others to complete their lists, or are the lists closed now?

Wow, this sounds really strange. Not sure what might cause this. Sorry for this. I'll look into the problem and let you know when I know more.
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