in case anyone is interested, here is my dump of the lobby discussion during the tournament. it starts here in game 7 i think. a couple small breaks in there to avoid getting the boot. i will gladly update if anyone else has any other portions of the chat. maybe we can piece together or break out the discussion.
15:40 WanderingWinder: probably embargoing province doesn't do a lot
15:40 jsh357: crossroads can support a little
15:40 WanderingWinder: apprentice would be bigger
15:40 greatexpectations: 5 provinces, 0 piles out for the gold medal game
15:40 jsh357: but... i still think workshop SR/tunnel is better
15:40 greatexpectations: perhaps they went with the less obvious jonts
15:40 WanderingWinder: crossroads would support the engine a lot
15:40 Dsell: crossroads can of course help that engine
15:41 Dsell: yeah what WW said
15:41 WanderingWinder: they aren't much for the rushes
15:41 jonts26: ok so if you assume a SR mirror, how do you play it
15:42 jsh357: i think i prefer workshop to either green at first
15:42 jsh357: maybe get a few warehouse/villages
15:42 WanderingWinder: 2-3 workshops, next 3 is a warehouse,, 2s are crossroads
15:42 jsh357: village being crossroads
15:42 jsh357: the nice thing is that if you go for tunnels first you can pop some golds
15:42 WanderingWinder: probably just 2 workshops
15:42 jsh357: and win a tie maybe
15:43 WanderingWinder: hrmm
15:43 WanderingWinder: well, there's lots of competing cards on 3
15:43 jsh357: tunnels before SR i mean
15:43 Polk5440: yes tunnels before SR seems good
15:43 WanderingWinder: it really depends on what they do
15:43 WanderingWinder: you have to react
15:43 Polk5440: I was thinking about if your oppoent grabs an apprentice/warehouses
15:44 jsh357: spice merchant might not be terribel to pick up in the rush? not much time for it though
15:44 jonts26: this board is super reactive
15:44 Polk5440: yes indeed
15:44 WanderingWinder: oh sure, I get that
15:44 jonts26: ok so I will say this, ignoring embargo, you can drain provinces in about 13-14 turns
15:44 jsh357: obi and lesp emptied the two alt vps
15:44 WanderingWinder: spice merchant for the rush seems too slow, though I could be wrong
15:45 WanderingWinder: for the engine, it should be excellent
15:45 WanderingWinder: it goes really nice with crossroads
15:45 jsh357: 13-14 turns?
15:45 jsh357: what, with warehouse tunnel apprentice
15:45 jonts26: ack booted
15:45 Polk5440: gman, want to play the next set, too?
15:46 jonts26: i was going to say SM could work with SR if you want to use it to thin copper and use warehouse/xroads for the draw/cycling
15:46 jsh357: yeah
15:46 jsh357: that was my idea
15:46 WanderingWinder: well, yeah, but
15:46 philosophyguy: obi wins
15:46 WanderingWinder: hmm
15:46 WanderingWinder: not good in the mirror
15:46 jonts26: did no one buy a province?
15:46 jonts26: lame
15:46 Obi Wan Bonogi: we had 1 each
15:47 jonts26: well still kind of lame
15:47 lespeutere: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-124608-2b43871b.html
15:47 greatexpectations: haha
15:47 jsh357: you were supposed to win in a way that satisfied jonts
15:47 Obi Wan Bonogi: well
15:47 Polk5440: your match is really entertaining to watch
15:47 jonts26: for real
15:47 Obi Wan Bonogi: if it played different
15:47 Obi Wan Bonogi: I wouldve had a big apprentice run
15:47 jonts26: i wanted someone to actually go apprentice/tunnel/warehouse
15:47 Obi Wan Bonogi: but the door was open for a zerg rush
15:47 jonts26: its the better strategy
15:48 jonts26: even with embargo
15:48 jsh357: round 8, same board
15:48 jonts26: do it
15:48 WanderingWinder: I will take on your 100 games of experience, jonts
15:48 Dsell: haha
15:48 Watno: funny how obiwan and les overtook stef and mic again
15:48 WanderingWinder: on some other date
15:48 jonts26: yeah today is bad
15:48 jonts26: but ill play you
15:49 greatexpectations: apprentice might be quicker
15:49 greatexpectations: but which is higher variance?
15:49 jonts26: theyre both lowish variance actually
15:49 jonts26: apprentice is probably a little easier to draw a dead hand
15:49 WanderingWinder: we ready for the next game in 3rd place match?
15:49 Obi Wan Bonogi: I wasnt initially planning on silk roads
15:49 Obi Wan Bonogi: yeah
15:49 Obi Wan Bonogi: ready
15:49 greatexpectations: i'm set when they are
15:50 greatexpectations: Game 8 -
15:50 jsh357: stef and mic still have 3 provs to go
15:50 greatexpectations: Moat, Fortune Teller, Bridge, Moneylender, Smithy, Throne Room, Festival, Jester, Vault, Fairgrounds, !Colony
15:50 greatexpectations: c/o ednever
15:50 jonts26: i actually put a lot of work into the last set to make apprentice not going away better
15:50 jsh357: no empty piles
15:50 jonts26: its actually somewhat close now
15:50 greatexpectations: yeah he had to nerf the apprentices
15:50 jonts26: before i had no embargo and a market in there
15:50 WanderingWinder: oh gosh
15:50 MrEevee: these sets really how people love alt vp
15:51 MrEevee: especially vineyards and fairgrounds
15:51 greatexpectations: you have no idea
15:51 jonts26: alt vp helps engines so theres that
15:51 MrEevee: obviously.
15:51 WanderingWinder: those two particularly are hugely advantageous to engines
15:51 WanderingWinder: others are more just diadvantageous to big money
15:51 MrEevee: is no coincidence
15:51 -Stef-: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-125145-5507300e.html
15:52 -Stef-: 5-2
15:52 jonts26: woo!
15:52 WanderingWinder: woooooooooo
15:52 jsh357: woohoo!
15:52 WanderingWinder: another game!
15:52 jsh357: make him work for it mic
15:52 greatexpectations: mickey q!
15:52 -Stef-: boohoo!
15:52 greatexpectations: Game 8 -
15:52 greatexpectations: Moat, Fortune Teller, Bridge, Moneylender, Smithy, Throne Room, Festival, Jester, Vault, Fairgrounds, !Colony
15:52 jonts26: he did apprentice!
15:52 jonts26: and won!
15:52 jonts26: huzzah
15:52 dudeabides: hahaha
15:52 jonts26: i knew not everyone would let me down
15:52 dudeabides: glad you got what you wanted
15:52 Peebles: haha
15:53 WanderingWinder: okay, so this one is an obvious engine
15:53 jsh357: this looks like a marin board
15:53 jsh357: festival, moat
15:53 jsh357: throne room
15:53 WanderingWinder: throne room, smithy
15:53 MrEevee: there is smithy as ewell
15:53 jsh357: gotta go hog wild here
15:53 WanderingWinder: just build forever
15:54 jsh357: tr-bridge for the finish maybe
15:54 WanderingWinder: well, you have to worry about getting some points, as three piles are happening in the mirror
15:54 jonts26: so brige megaturn?
15:54 greatexpectations: bridge megaturn
15:54 greatexpectations: has to be
15:54 jonts26: htat could work but its inconsistent
15:54 greatexpectations: you have time though
15:54 jonts26: but it only has to trigger once i guess
15:54 WanderingWinder: moneylender early, lots of tr, lots of draw, a couple festivals, some bridges
15:54 dudeabides: Nah... Smithy/BM ;)
15:54 WanderingWinder: everything costs 4
15:55 WanderingWinder: in a mirror, jester is nice
15:55 jsh357: bronze match is almost over
15:55 greatexpectations: jester luck could sway things
15:55 WanderingWinder: already?
15:55 jonts26: they starteda bit ago
15:55 jsh357: 3 piles at 3 or below
15:55 WanderingWinder: what's happening
15:55 jsh357: no vp bought
15:55 MrEevee: jester really drives those piles huh
15:55 Polk5440: TR down to 2
15:55 jonts26: moat is out?
15:55 jonts26: odd
15:55 MrEevee: moats are out, 2 tr's and 1 festival left
15:55 Polk5440: Festival down to 1
15:55 WanderingWinder: this means we're close to the green rush mad tipping point
15:56 jonts26: you have smithy for draw why do you need tons of moats
15:56 Polk5440: yes!
15:56 jsh357: i cant tell for sure but i think obi was going for the bridge deck
15:56 gman314: Anyone want to play set 8 with me?
15:56 Polk5440: yes
15:56 MrEevee: Obi has a nicer engine but lesp is ahead in points
15:57 jsh357: not for long
15:57 jsh357: obi just got a megaturn
15:57 MrEevee: 1 tr 1 festival left
15:57 MrEevee: obi has his deck in his hand
15:57 MrEevee: and lesp has a dud hand
15:57 dudeabides: I'm up for a game gman
15:57 WanderingWinder: He has his deck in hand - shouldn't he be able to just end and win then?
15:58 jonts26: if he can get the points he needs
15:58 jonts26: hes probably counting
15:58 Destierro: not much money
15:58 WanderingWinder: how far behind is he?
15:58 jsh357: that is a terrible, terrible hand
15:58 Destierro: either
15:58 jsh357: 4 terminals
15:58 MrEevee: 1 province and 1 fairgroudsn behind
15:58 WanderingWinder: fairgrounds is... 4 or 6 point?
15:58 jonts26: cant tell
15:58 MrEevee: 4 probably?
15:58 WanderingWinder: he probably has to count fairgrouds
15:58 jsh357: i keep lcicking info but i cant tell
15:58 jsh357: clicking*
15:58 WanderingWinder: how many bridges does OWB be able to play
15:58 MrEevee: but i guess he doesnt quite have his entire deck, and if he is missing his bridges it's critical
15:58 MrEevee: okay score is 3-12
15:58 WanderingWinder: mm
15:58 jsh357: 1 bridge
15:59 jonts26: i also am trying to scroll up to see the turn
15:59 MrEevee: obi has played tr-tr and been thinking for a long time
15:59 jonts26: doesnt work
15:59 jonts26: he probably has like bridge/jester/smihy in hand
15:59 WanderingWinder: if he can only play 1, that's unfortunate for him
15:59 MrEevee: he has plenty of buys from festivals anyways
15:59 jsh357: lesp says obi spent at urn thinking then mic was able to block his attack anyway
15:59 Dsell: wow he didn't end it
15:59 MrEevee: obi gets 2 provinces
15:59 WanderingWinder: yeah, but you need points!
15:59 jonts26: not enough buys?
15:59 greatexpectations: if he's missing his bridges he would have to draw so that he doesnt have a dud turn next time
15:59 jonts26: i guess so
16:00 WanderingWinder: what did he end up TRing?
16:00 MrEevee: fortune teller and moneylender
16:00 MrEevee: lesp had the moat
16:00 Dsell: oh ouch lesp has a bad hand and bad draw
16:00 MrEevee: this is an intense game
16:00 dudeabides: and Obi is $1 short of ending it
16:00 Destierro: obi stalled tho
16:00 greatexpectations: 2 provinces gone in gold medal game
16:00 MrEevee: obi has a slight lead now
16:00 jonts26: obi should be in fine position
16:01 MrEevee: but lesp has a gooood hand now
16:01 jsh357: 20-19
16:01 MrEevee: lesp up by 1
16:01 jonts26: oh fun
16:01 dudeabides: Obi's got it
16:01 MrEevee: yeah, obi wins this turn for sure
16:01 jsh357: yeah
16:02 jonts26: like i said, bridge engine is going to be incosnsitent but you dont need to hit every turn
16:02 MrEevee: lesp stalled like super bad.
16:02 jonts26: yeah he had 2 terrible turns in a row
16:02 WanderingWinder: the movie?
16:02 Obi Wan Bonogi: gg
16:02 Obi Wan Bonogi: brb 5 min
16:02 jonts26: so obi up 4-3!
16:03 lespeutere: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-130212-681ce733.html
16:03 MrEevee: SHRIMP FRIED RICE! SHRIMP FRIED RICE!
16:03 jsh357: guns, beer and WOMEN
16:03 blackb: no 5-3
16:03 greatexpectations: 4-3?
16:03 greatexpectations: yeah 5-3
16:03 jonts26: thats what i meant!
16:03 dudeabides: I just hope USA wins the Super Bowl tonight
16:03 greatexpectations: Set 9 -
16:03 greatexpectations: Chapel, Embargo, Fool's Gold, Oasis, Workshop, Thief, Throne Room, Worker's Village, Margrave, Wharf, !Colony
16:03 WanderingWinder: OWB isn't ready
16:03 jonts26: OBW loves fortune teller
16:03 MrEevee: stef and mic have been gone for a while again, huh?
16:04 jsh357: 3 provs left
16:04 greatexpectations: they dont need to start now, im just putting the set out
16:04 WanderingWinder: eh, only 11 minutes
16:04 jonts26: gold match has 3 prov left
16:04 MrEevee: oh okay, my bad.
16:05 mith: i'm thinking about suggesting to SphinX that we make the losers bracket final use these boards, but with about a month of study first >_>
16:05 jonts26: there are plenty more candidates you can use
16:05 greatexpectations: yup
16:05 lespeutere: OWB, ready?
16:05 greatexpectations: when we open the spreadsheet to the public you can see all of the sets
16:05 jonts26: the spreadsheet has like a billion entries
16:06 WanderingWinder: I assume he'll say when he's back and ready
16:06 greatexpectations: assuming theory wants to leave it as is, the spreadsheet has a final 36 of the sets
16:07 mith: i think we're just going to end up doing random... going to be hard enough for me to schedule a match this week as is, without a third party to give us the sets
16:07 jonts26: it also has all the entries
16:07 greatexpectations: it does
16:07 greatexpectations: but all of them is tough to sift through
16:07 jonts26: but teres like 20 or so finalists
16:07 greatexpectations: of course, you could use these sets still
16:07 greatexpectations: just use a rng day of the match
16:07 greatexpectations: dont need anyone there
16:07 greatexpectations: and you cant analyze thema ll
16:07 mith: true
16:07 Obi Wan Bonogi: back
16:07 WanderingWinder: sure you can >:)
16:08 mith: i'll hire WW to analyze them for me...
16:08 greatexpectations: not and still be awake enough to play :)
16:08 -Stef-: 5-3
16:08 -Stef-: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-130802-57c6fc31.html
16:08 yuma: eevee you up for playing this set or you want to stay here and talk it through?
16:08 Mic Qsenoch: stef is just toying with me now
16:08 jonts26: WOOO
16:08 jsh357: DS CWOO!
16:08 jonts26: more dominion!
16:08 -Stef-: nice engine here by mic
16:08 Mic Qsenoch: he just wants to play more sets
16:08 greatexpectations: Set 9 -
16:08 greatexpectations: Chapel, Embargo, Fool's Gold, Oasis, Workshop, Thief, Throne Room, Worker's Village, Margrave, Wharf, !Colony
16:08 gman314: Anyone want to play set 9?
16:09 jonts26: ok so wharf is going to rock here
16:09 mith: i would, but i'm only half paying attention here. laptop emergency
16:09 WanderingWinder: Stef went big money?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
16:09 jonts26: what madness is that!
16:09 Polk5440: yes
16:09 WanderingWinder: on THAT board?
16:09 jonts26: yeah i cant imagine anyone going BM there let alone stef
16:09 WanderingWinder: this one, this one I am not sure
16:09 MrEevee: sorry yuma cant play now, poker action :)
16:09 jonts26: maybe he did just want to play more sets
16:09 jsh357: maybe he's.. yeah
16:10 jsh357: or totally misread
16:10 greatexpectations: he still could have played the engine
16:10 yuma: you and your poker...!
16:10 jonts26: i think the new set wharf engine
16:10 jonts26: using a handful of FGs
16:10 jonts26: if its against BM, get a thief
16:10 greatexpectations: this set courtesy of RobertJ
16:10 WanderingWinder: yeah
16:10 jsh357: tr - wv - wharf - fv
16:10 Polk5440: it's lookng bad for my sets....
16:10 WanderingWinder: the thief rules out straight money I think
16:10 jonts26: yeah
16:10 WanderingWinder: and 1 margrave in the engine
16:11 jonts26: embargo makes it interesting
16:11 jsh357: lots of FG interaction at any rate
16:11 MrEevee: got to do something to pay the bills :(
16:11 Watno: yay i win
16:11 jonts26: but yeah 1 margrave is probably good
16:11 WanderingWinder: chapel down or no?
16:11 jsh357: no
16:11 WanderingWinder: also workshop or no?
16:11 jsh357: that encourages the thief
16:11 jonts26: mmm if you need to bypass embargo get a chapel
16:11 jonts26: maybe use chapel and embargo provinces hard
16:11 MrEevee: lesp went for the chapel, obi didnt
16:11 jsh357: but then.. maybe you want to lure out a thief
16:11 jonts26: stupid D/C
16:11 WanderingWinder: eh, if you're playing engine, thief isn't really a problem
16:11 mith: FG gone turn 7
16:12 jonts26: yeah i probably skip thief in an engine mirror
16:12 WanderingWinder: you have so many actions, and you can just thief them back
16:12 WanderingWinder: if you really need to
16:12 jsh357: i'm still not sure about chapelling
16:12 WanderingWinder: I think I like a workshop, too
16:12 jsh357: with enough wharf draw maybe it doesn't matter
16:12 jonts26: i like WS
16:13 jonts26: i'd get WS and then you can get a chapel at some point without slowind down
16:13 MrEevee: lesp got a thief
16:13 MrEevee: obi DOESNT have a chapel
16:13 jsh357: it could pay off
16:13 jsh357: since he could alwaysh it FG..
16:13 jsh357: oh i see hy he did it
16:14 WanderingWinder: hrm, but it should be a lot better for the player with the chapel
16:14 jsh357: he only got 3 of the fg
16:14 jsh357: so he needs to steal it to stick with that strategy
16:14 WanderingWinder: what was he doing that he only got 3 fg?
16:14 jsh357: but man, i'd just get gold
16:14 mith: and with his slim deck he's going to be able to tr-thief a lot
16:14 WanderingWinder: he has a huge lead on engine component?
16:14 jsh357: looks like obi has this one to me
16:15 jonts26: yeah i dont think you need to go too heavy into FG
16:15 jonts26: thief them if the other player gets too many
16:15 WanderingWinder: yeah
16:15 jsh357: he hit obi copper twice
16:15 greatexpectations: if obi wins thats the set
16:15 jonts26: winning the wharf split seems all important
16:15 greatexpectations: USA!
16:15 WanderingWinder: you want to focus on the engine
16:15 Dsell: wow lesp getting very unlucky with thief
16:15 WanderingWinder: well, that's what you'd expect really
16:15 Polk5440: not chapeling helps that
16:15 WanderingWinder: this will be the match?
16:16 jonts26: it would be
16:16 greatexpectations: it is 5-3 for both
16:16 greatexpectations: first to 6 wins
16:16 jsh357: of course now obi has 7 fg and 5 copper
16:16 jsh357: so maybe he can hit fg now
16:16 greatexpectations: stef and owb can both end it
16:16 jsh357: but it's too late
16:16 WanderingWinder: did anyone get a margrave?
16:16 Polk5440: lesp
16:16 mith: got one FG
16:17 mith: and a blank on the other
16:17 jsh357: oh nice
16:17 jsh357: he puleld off a double prov turn
16:17 mith: and obi gets a thief now
16:17 WanderingWinder: can we show this game to chwhite next time he says thief is totally and utterly useless?
16:17 jonts26: haha yes
16:17 jonts26: i dont see how you can put it behind scout
16:17 greatexpectations: to be fair, this set was probably designed to make theif stand out a little
16:17 mith: this isn't going to be a good example, the way lesp is hitting coppers :)
16:17 Watno: double miss again
16:18 WanderingWinder: I mean, scout is nice for scrying pool, don't get me wrong, but...
16:18 jsh357: but it's interesting
16:18 jonts26: scout is only nice for SP
16:18 jsh357: the one fg he DID get
16:18 mith: i think lesp has this though
16:18 WanderingWinder: yeah
16:18 jsh357: mattered a lot
16:18 mith: yeah
16:18 jsh357: scout is great with throne room
16:18 jsh357: if you are marin
16:18 WanderingWinder: anything's great with anything if you're Marin
16:18 mith: booted for inactivity, lame
16:19 WanderingWinder: he'd pair curse with ruined village and make some magic
16:19 jsh357: i am surprised lesp dug out of this hole
16:19 MrEevee: it's a shame marin isn't a native english speaker, watching dominion videos from him would truly be something
16:19 philosophyguy: agreed with MrEevee
16:19 jonts26: marin is very entertaiing to play against
16:19 Watno: i think it would be great to watch anyway
16:20 WanderingWinder: I think I'm going on 3.5 hours without getting booted
16:20 mith: obi had to go duchies, and lesp is getting double province again... 5-4
16:20 Watno: french accent dominion commentary sounds fun
16:20 jonts26: ive gotten booted twice
16:20 jsh357: i knew a guy called marin when i tutored english for second-language students
16:20 jsh357: he was pretty cool
16:20 greatexpectations: marin plays for chelsea
16:20 greatexpectations: always threw me off when i heard the name
16:21 WanderingWinder: I don't understand how gold match is going so long...
16:21 WanderingWinder: this should be about the fastest set you see...
16:22 WanderingWinder: 5-4?
16:22 mith: yep
16:22 jsh357: obi suicided
16:22 Obi Wan Bonogi: :P
16:22 Dsell: hmm
16:22 Obi Wan Bonogi: brb
16:22 WanderingWinder: basically terribly lost at the time anyway?
16:22 mith: down 25
16:22 jsh357: does that mean lesp is darth vader
16:22 mith: with 2 provinces left
16:23 lespeutere: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-132159-8400e30b.html
16:24 greatexpectations: oh man
16:24 greatexpectations: Set 10 -
16:24 greatexpectations: Haven, Fishing Village, Scheme, Steward, Horse Traders, Mountebank, Upgrade, Festival, Library, Goons, !Colony
16:24 MrEevee: interesting!
16:25 jsh357: oh that looks fun
16:25 WanderingWinder: yours?
16:25 greatexpectations: props to our friend polk
16:25 Obi Wan Bonogi: back
16:25 dudeabides: fun set
16:25 WanderingWinder: no comments
16:25 Polk5440: :)
16:26 jonts26: 3 prov left in the gold match
16:26 mith: "i don't like this at all"
16:26 mith: haha
16:26 Polk5440: hehehe
16:26 mith: lesp drew 2 on turn 3
16:26 WanderingWinder: shhhh guys
16:27 WanderingWinder: eh
16:27 dudeabides: comment
16:27 theory: well they aren't in the lobby now, right?
16:27 jonts26: theory's back!
16:27 WanderingWinder: I guess I need to go ingest some nutrition
16:27 WanderingWinder: the thing is, they can be at any moment
16:27 theory: true
16:27 dudeabides: I think opening Goons/Mountebank is really strong with this one
16:27 theory: hi dsell
16:27 jonts26: im planning on ingesting nothing nutritious today
16:27 jsh357: man i love library
16:28 WanderingWinder: I was referring to brownies
16:28 mith: we should do a -Stef- vs. the forum match sometime
16:28 jsh357: i had fries for lunch, those are vegetables
16:28 mith: (or WW, or any of the level 50s really)
16:28 WanderingWinder: yeah, 'cause his games don't last long enough anyway
16:28 mith: :)
16:28 jsh357: wow i just got booted for the server being full
16:28 Dsell: hi theory!
16:29 WanderingWinder: I have had full server problems before
16:29 jsh357: man how is that gold game still going
16:29 jsh357: must be close
16:29 WanderingWinder: I don't understand
16:29 jonts26: 2 piles out 3 prov left
16:30 WanderingWinder: what other pile? Wharf? Worker's Village?
16:30 airza: beedoop
16:30 jonts26: wharf has to be
16:30 WanderingWinder: I assume fg is the first
16:30 jonts26: wharf/fg would be my guess
16:30 mith: yeah
16:31 -Stef-: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-133122-9a1fde36.html
16:31 -Stef-: mic wins another
16:31 -Stef-: 5-4 now?
16:31 Polk5440: !
16:31 Mic Qsenoch: yeah
16:31 -Stef-: very unlucky last turn :(
16:31 Dsell: Wow, great job mic
16:31 Mic Qsenoch: i luck into winning this one
16:32 -Stef-: I could draw everything but one, and that was my 8th buy
16:32 Dsell: gold and bronze matches are both exciting. :)
16:32 WanderingWinder: I so had that the other day
16:32 Mic Qsenoch: which leaves him with absolutely no good options either
16:32 WanderingWinder: 5-4 both places
16:32 -Stef-: ah
16:32 WanderingWinder: duchy was the second pile
16:32 -Stef-: who's ahead there?
16:32 jonts26: interesting
16:32 jsh357: amazing they split fg even
16:32 WanderingWinder: Obi Wan Bonogi
16:32 MrEevee: this is some great dominion entertainment!
16:32 -Stef-: set 10?
16:32 jsh357: but obi won 7 fgs and lesp still won the game
16:32 greatexpectations: Set 10 -
16:32 greatexpectations: Haven, Fishing Village, Scheme, Steward, Horse Traders, Mountebank, Upgrade, Festival, Library, Goons, !Colony
16:32 jonts26: if mic q comes back it will be the greatest of all time
16:33 Mic Qsenoch: you just jinxed me jonts
16:33 theory: red sox-levels of greatitude?
16:33 jonts26: even better
16:33 theory: no jinxing plz
16:33 jonts26: jimmy fallon will make 2 terrible movies about it
16:33 WanderingWinder: taking that spot away from the 13 game affair I had out of that tiebreak?
16:33 theory: you heard the man
16:33 KUKUKUKU: co muflik?
16:33 jsh357: this board looks great
16:33 jonts26: ok so i think its actually straightforward
16:34 jonts26: library/goons engine
16:34 jsh357: looks like a library game
16:34 WanderingWinder: yeah
16:34 jsh357: tons of support for it
16:34 jonts26: get a steward to trash and maybe a MB to be annoying
16:34 WanderingWinder: 2 stewards into it
16:34 jsh357: HT is good too
16:34 jonts26: HT is ok
16:34 WanderingWinder: probably ignore mountebank even
16:34 WanderingWinder: HT... eh, I want my actions
16:34 jsh357: i would ignore mbank for sure
16:34 jonts26: I'd rather have less junk to discard to HT
16:34 dudeabides: HT eats an action
16:34 jonts26: so trashing is better
16:34 Watno: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-133351-6e59887f.html
16:34 WanderingWinder: lot of FV, Festival also nice, but...
16:35 Dsell: Lesp and obi wan aren't really buying library
16:35 WanderingWinder: uh, scheme to get you libraries back
16:35 MrEevee: lesp is ignoring MB, obi got one
16:35 jsh357: they didn't get festivals either
16:35 jonts26: get 2 schemes
16:35 Dsell: or festivals for that matter
16:35 jonts26: put back library/FV
16:35 Dsell: ninja'd by eevee
16:35 jsh357: you know i guess
16:35 WanderingWinder: 2? I bet you could cut 1
16:35 heron: Misclick/Miscount threw the game away for me
16:35 jsh357: there's a lot of competition at 5-6
16:35 jonts26: maybe
16:35 jonts26: 1 for sure
16:35 WanderingWinder: fishing villages established
16:35 jonts26: missing a library would be painful
16:35 WanderingWinder: yeah
16:35 jsh357: so maybe just goons/fv/library
16:35 jonts26: steward to trash
16:35 jsh357: yeah
16:36 jonts26: get festival if you need more actions
16:36 WanderingWinder: haven can fill that role, but scheme is better
16:36 WanderingWinder: but havens off spare buys also help seed the next turn
16:36 WanderingWinder: and yeah, definitely steward to trash
16:36 jonts26: thats true
16:36 jsh357: they both went upgrade
16:36 jsh357: it's good, maybe you want 2 and turn one in to goons
16:36 WanderingWinder: eh, upgrade seems weaker here to me
16:37 WanderingWinder: eventually so dead
16:37 perenjard: back
16:37 jsh357: unless they get mbank, but yes
16:37 jonts26: yeah and it only trashes 1 instead of 2
16:37 jsh357: you wouldn't want a lot of them
16:37 jonts26: steward is the star trasher
16:37 jonts26: also upgrade competes with the good stuff
16:37 WanderingWinder: yeah, just steward
16:37 jonts26: i'd probably open steward/steward here
16:37 WanderingWinder: there are enough actions you don't NEED your trashing to be non-terminal
16:37 jonts26: favorite opening ever
16:37 WanderingWinder: I would definitely open steward/steward, look to pick up an FV quick
16:37 greatexpectations: scheme steward might beat double steward here no?
16:38 jsh357: i would fv/steward?
16:38 jonts26: scheme/steward is higher variance
16:38 greatexpectations: right
16:38 Watno: i went fv/steward/steward
16:38 WanderingWinder: mmm, scheme/steward maybe
16:38 jsh357: but really almost anything with steward is good
16:38 greatexpectations: but you dont need that second steward down the road
16:38 jonts26: steward HAS ot be one of your opens
16:38 jsh357: lesp went ht/stward
16:38 greatexpectations: yes
16:38 jsh357: which i think was a mistake
16:38 WanderingWinder: ht?
16:38 WanderingWinder: ugh, no
16:38 jonts26: nope
16:38 jonts26: how about a 5/2 open
16:38 mith: to be fair, it didn't help that his steward missed the shuffle
16:38 jsh357: 5/2 would be different
16:38 jonts26: upgrade then or stil steward
16:39 greatexpectations: ..cry?
16:39 Dsell: obi wins
16:39 WanderingWinder: haven and... steward
16:39 dudeabides: I think that Obi's Mountebank was huge
16:39 jonts26: yeah
16:39 philosophyguy: yay 'murica :)
16:39 greatexpectations: yeah haven steward
16:39 jonts26: or MB/haven open?
16:39 mith: 'grats obi
16:39 Polk5440: congrats, Obi!!!
16:39 jonts26: nah steward/haven still
16:39 lespeutere: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-133847-859192d9.html
16:39 jonts26: USA USA USA USA USA
16:39 philosophyguy: gg to both players
16:39 Peebles: Congrats, Obi
16:39 jonts26: great series guys
16:39 jsh357: i can imagine it now
16:39 ceadiertani: Aaaa we got booted.
16:39 rrenaud: i don't understand why the first $5 buy weren't mountebank
16:39 jsh357: DS Con 2013
16:39 WanderingWinder: mm, maybe mb; you may well get an mb if they are going light on their trashing
16:39 jsh357: lesp shows up with ab and of german goons
16:39 Obi Wan Bonogi: thanks, good games Les
16:40 dudeabides: rrenaud, even
16:40 Watno: well played anyway
16:40 stefan_k: Congrats wp!
16:40 Obi Wan Bonogi: well
16:40 WanderingWinder: coppers cuold run there
16:40 Obi Wan Bonogi: I was kinda going meta
16:40 MrEevee: good job obw
16:40 Obi Wan Bonogi: expecting him to get MB
16:40 MrEevee: oeb
16:40 Obi Wan Bonogi: maybe he didnt bc he saw I didnt
16:40 MrEevee: owb >_>
16:40 lespeutere: cause the game was over at that point already
16:41 jsh357: stef and mic q are standing 4-3
16:41 lespeutere: maybe not at that point
16:41 jsh357: or was it 5-4
16:41 mith: 5-4
16:42 Obi Wan Bonogi: well ty stef, Id been number 1 on leaderboard and never did double steward opening until he showed it to me
16:42 lespeutere: but when my steward missed t3/4
16:42 Polk5440: scheme!
16:42 Obi Wan Bonogi: only need one scheme
16:42 Obi Wan Bonogi: IMO
16:42 jonts26: yeah we discussed that
16:42 jonts26: one seems enough
16:42 jonts26: just need one library to kick it
16:42 lespeutere: I'm just too tired to play something sensible at the moment
16:43 WanderingWinder: I think you can get away with just one, especially if you're gonna get havens off free buys
16:43 WanderingWinder: well not free buys
16:43 WanderingWinder: but spare ones
16:43 greatexpectations: i dont think you want that many havens actually
16:43 greatexpectations: conflicts with scheming the library
16:43 WanderingWinder: well, sort of
16:44 WanderingWinder: but the cards I'd want to hold over would be FV, Festival
16:44 jonts26: just haven the havens
16:44 WanderingWinder: I'd take a couple
16:44 Obi Wan Bonogi: I love haven
16:44 jonts26: if you dont want to increase next turn hand size
16:44 Obi Wan Bonogi: hard to have too many
16:45 jonts26: its been almost 4 hours
16:45 Obi Wan Bonogi: yeah that took forever
16:45 Obi Wan Bonogi: in a good way
16:45 Peebles: I played someone on goko yesterday, and before long their deck 10 havens, 3 estates, 1 spice merchant
16:45 Obi Wan Bonogi: but I have to run
16:45 Peebles: I'd say that's too many havens
16:45 WanderingWinder: it's more not enough other stuff
16:45 mith: heh
16:45 Obi Wan Bonogi: see ya guys
16:45 WanderingWinder: later!
16:45 philosophyguy: Yo dawg, i heard you like havens, so i havened a haven so you can haven a haven…
16:45 jonts26: the havens rarely get in the way, but if you prioritize them over important things thats a problem
16:46 WanderingWinder: 8 provinces, no piles in gold game
16:46 mith: all goons all the time?
16:46 WanderingWinder: what do you mean by that?
16:46 mith: well, the 8 provinces is no surprise
16:47 WanderingWinder: you want one goons quickly, but you want to make sure you can draw most everything as you're getting more
16:47 mith: no piles is, though, with FV
16:47 WanderingWinder: that's true
16:47 WanderingWinder: well, but there's more important expensive stuff
16:47 mith: true
16:47 WanderingWinder: so the FVs don't really need to run all that fast
16:47 mith: don't need that many FVs to have enough actions
16:47 heron: is there any way watno and I could acquire the last set? I have to go soon and we want to finish them off
16:47 jonts26: a pile is out
16:48 mith: what are the odds on it being haven? :)
16:48 WanderingWinder: it's duchy
16:48 jonts26: Set 11 - Native Village, Talisman, Treasure Map, Worker's Village, City, Vault, Venture, Grand Market, Expand, Peddler, Colony
16:48 heron: thanks!
16:48 Watno: troll
16:48 heron: oh
16:48 jonts26: no thats really it
16:48 WanderingWinder: he was calling me a troll
16:48 jonts26: oh
16:48 heron: oh
16:48 jonts26: that makes more sense
16:49 heron: so confusing
16:49 mith: it's super bowl sunday, i need some prop bets
16:49 WanderingWinder: I assume
16:49 greatexpectations: i can confirm that is the last set
16:49 Watno: not really
16:49 Watno: ok sry then^^
16:49 WanderingWinder: yeah, but I meant jokingly
16:49 WanderingWinder: similar to how I jokingly said that duchy was the empty pile
16:50 jsh357: if there are still 8 provinces, that might mean someone has a big lead on chips
16:50 WanderingWinder: I bet not
16:50 lespeutere: vv
16:50 Supreme Stratego Mittens: xword coming?
16:50 lespeutere: if one's far ahead the other may need to dip into green
16:50 greatexpectations: if they are building a big goons engine they will only dip to provinces once piling out is a danger
16:51 greatexpectations: or that
16:51 MrEevee: got booted, why always me
16:52 WanderingWinder: 4 hours and I let my guard down and got booted
16:52 Polk5440: so much for the transcript....
16:52 Obi Wan Bonogi: whats status in finals?
16:52 MrEevee: this lobby was too small for the both of us so they booted us both?
16:52 jsh357: 8 prov, 1 pile empty
16:52 Obi Wan Bonogi: whats score?
16:53 jsh357: can't tell
16:53 jonts26: 5-4 stef
16:54 Peebles: how do you see how many piles are left?
16:54 Obi Wan Bonogi: well, I cant stick around much, but I feel like I am missing a lot of good conversation about some really interesting boards, so please transfer some summaries to the forums so I can catch up later, thanks!
16:55 mith: you just missed WW talking about how he'd open haven/haven
16:55 WanderingWinder: well, it wasn't a constant transcript anyway - I had to go into games at some point
16:55 Obi Wan Bonogi: seriously?
16:55 mith: (no)
16:55 Obi Wan Bonogi: lol
16:55 WanderingWinder: psh, you mean haven/haven/haven/haven/haven/haven/haven/haven/haven
16:55 jsh357: to see piles, go to http://dominion.isotropic.org/games
16:56 WanderingWinder: gotta leave the 10th one though, that's too many
16:56 Watno: oops, forgot log^^
16:56 jsh357: and ctrl f for sted
16:56 jsh357: stef
16:56 jsh357: oh did the game end
16:56 jsh357: it's not on there now
16:56 Peebles: I guess so
16:56 jonts26: they arent in the lobby
16:57 Peebles: they fell into another dimension!
16:57 Dsell: I am really excited to see this gamestate. They're either playing really slow and deliberately or there are going to be insane scores
16:57 jonts26: they just dominioned that hard
16:57 jonts26: generally these games end up piling out
16:57 Peebles: maybe they made a truce
16:57 Peebles: and are just fucking with us
16:57 Dsell: vote: happily ever after
16:57 jonts26: before the scores get crazy
16:57 jsh357: like in searching for bobby fischer
16:57 jsh357: they agreed to a draw
16:58 Dsell: they'll each split a small expansion
16:58 Dsell: *get a small expansion
16:58 jsh357: haha
16:58 philosophyguy: You get the Dame Knights, and I get the Sirs
16:58 jsh357: good thing guilds is coming up
16:58 Mic Qsenoch: stef wins!
16:58 -Stef-: WOOHOO! :)
16:58 jonts26: congrats
16:58 -Stef-: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201302/03/game-20130203-135549-70a0df7a.html
16:58 Peebles: Congrats!
16:58 Watno: congrats
16:58 stefan_k: Congratulations!!!!
16:58 Dsell: Nice, stef!
16:58 mith: congrats stef!
16:59 Peebles: All hail -Stef-
16:59 Polk5440: congrats
16:59 MrEevee: grats
16:59 Mic Qsenoch: greatest dominion player ever
16:59 lespeutere: grats
16:59 Mic Qsenoch: undoubtedly
16:59 Dsell: hahahaha looks like my prediction about high scores was right. :P
16:59 Peebles: hahaha
16:59 Peebles: 17 to 3?
16:59 -Stef-: well last turn I stopped playing
16:59 -Stef-: but yes we never really started scoring
16:59 Mic Qsenoch: i also forgot to look at piles and made it easy for him to end it
17:00 Mic Qsenoch: there's never time to score in these games
17:00 -Stef-: I don't think that would have mattered much
17:00 Mic Qsenoch: all three piles
17:00 jonts26: also both opened steward/steward
17:00 jonts26: love it
17:00 Mic Qsenoch: no it wouldn't have mattered at all
17:00 -Stef-: Mic had a dead turn near the end
17:00 -Stef-: end then it was over
17:00 jonts26: dead turn will kill that kind of game
17:00 -Stef-: yup
17:00 Mic Qsenoch: all these boards are way too fast
17:00 Mic Qsenoch: well not all
17:00 -Stef-: no we had some sea hags
17:00 Mic Qsenoch: but a lot of them
17:00 Obi Wan Bonogi: they were pretty fast
17:00 -Stef-: true
17:00 Schneau: Congrats Stef!
17:00 Mic Qsenoch: who won bronze?
17:00 Schneau: Last buy in the tournament: Curse
17:00 Watno: thats why it took 4 hours^^
17:00 jonts26: obi
17:01 -Stef-: Obi vs lespeutere?
17:01 lespeutere: OWB
17:01 Obi Wan Bonogi: in terms of scoring
17:01 Peebles: Obi
17:01 mith: obi, 6-4
17:01 Mic Qsenoch: congrats obi
17:01 lespeutere: played poorly
17:01 -Stef-: ah 6-4 here too
17:01 lespeutere: (me)
17:01 Obi Wan Bonogi: I kept thinking I would build up massive province buy turn but the option for piling was always better
17:01 jonts26: in case you guys are wondering this is the last set
17:01 jonts26: Native Village, Talisman, Treasure Map, Worker's Village, City, Vault, Venture, Grand Market, Expand, Peddler, Colony
17:01 Schneau: GE: what was the last board?
17:01 mith: they should play the last set four player
17:01 mith: >_>
17:01 Peebles: haha
17:01 Mic Qsenoch: ha
17:01 greatexpectations: its in the thread
17:02 jonts26: you should all have access to the google doc with all the info on it
17:02 WanderingWinder: where is said google doc?
17:02 greatexpectations: did you make it public already?
17:02 jonts26: oh no
17:03 jonts26: ummm hold on
17:03 Obi Wan Bonogi: I will post my thoughts on the games later, pretty interesting boards, congrats Stef! see ya
17:03 WanderingWinder: well, post it in the forums
17:03 WanderingWinder: I must be off
17:03 TheDReeve: McD is in
17:03 -Stef-: pff quite tired actually now
17:03 Mic Qsenoch: yeah
17:03 Mic Qsenoch: congrats sted
17:03 Mic Qsenoch: stef*
17:03 Mic Qsenoch: see ya
17:03 Peebles: me too, -Stef-. ran out of beer two hours ago
17:03 greatexpectations: we will post the doc in the forums later, no worries
17:03 jonts26: for now, heres hte link
17:03 jonts26: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuZ91-6FOcw_dGIzY0duNEE5UFFXOTlRZk9FcWlMblE&usp=sharing
17:03 jonts26: ill put it on the forum
17:04 greatexpectations: there will be a thread dedicated to the sets anyway
17:04 rrenaud: jonts: you might want to make it read only for most people
17:04 rrenaud: only you + theory + ge can edit, for example
17:05 -Stef-: thanks rrenaud / ge / theory
17:05 greatexpectations: im pretty sure it is set to view only for public
17:05 -Stef-: I really like this setup for the finals
17:05 rrenaud: stef, i did nothing ;P
17:05 jonts26: oh i thought it was
17:05 -Stef-: oh sorry
17:06 -Stef-: thanks a lot jonts ;)
17:06 mith: no one submitted a pearl diver set even after the reveal that no one had done so?
17:06 mith: i'm disappointed
17:06 -Stef-: I never submitted my set
17:06 jonts26: i think it was too late then
17:07 mith: ah
17:07 Peebles: mith, is the loser bracket over?
17:07 Peebles: rats division
17:07 mith: i think we're playing the final tomorrow
17:07 theory: hello!
17:07 theory: congrats stef :)
17:07 mith: tomorrow or tuesday. probably.
17:08 jonts26: congrats stef ;) ftfy
17:08 -Stef-: thanks theory
17:09 jonts26: ok 4 hours of watching people play dominion is enough for me
17:09 jonts26: later
17:09 -Stef-: yup can imagine that
17:09 theory: PMed you a list of questions
17:09 -Stef-: 4 hours of playing is enough for me :)
17:09 theory: also congrats OWB
17:09 theory: coming from behind for the win
17:10 -Stef-: ok theory will answer you but not today
17:10 -Stef-: enough dominion for now
17:10 -Stef-: thanks everyone & cu
17:11 theory: no need for today
17:11 theory: take care
17:11 Watno: cya everyone
17:11 lespeutere: I'm uploading videos atm, but am not sure whether I can finish tonight
17:12 lespeutere: most of you have seen them already, anyway
17:12 lespeutere: cu
17:12 Forge!!!: wow, is it still going on?
17:13 theory: just wrapped up
17:13 Forge!!!: ah ok