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[Galzria]

Well a town bomb probably would've said something

There's a lot of people who haven't posted, and besides, Mason can be in the randoms so it's not exactly a strong counter claim.

[O]

I wish I was scum. I'd be pulling a stupidly unnecessary 2-scum-members-at-Lylo gambit that I'd love and winning the game.

[Galzria]

I wish I was scum. I'd be pulling a stupidly unnecessary 2-scum-members-at-Lylo gambit that I'd love and winning the game.

I don't really believe you are. But it's worth exploring anyway. Especially because we'll (likely) remain in this state of LyLo until the Poisoner is killed. It's a decent way to protect him for now, especially if we write lynching you two off the table for today. Would mean we have a 1-in-8 chance of not losing here and now, and even if we manage that the Poisoner would still get another shot.

It wouldn't be a bad play - and you're certainly crafty enough for it. But unless there's tracker results against you or a counter claim that makes sense then it's probably not gonna amount to more than speculation.

[Galzria]

Also, I want to take a moment to applaud the Mafia team here. That play with iguana is 100% pre-meditated N0. No other way that runs so smoothly right out of the gates D1. Even if we had massclaimed we would have nothing to go on now except "The real Poisoner is probably a claimed Btw (And even that isn't a guarantee). So,  well executed scum.

[O]

Also, I want to take a moment to applaud the Mafia team here. That play with iguana is 100% pre-meditated N0. No other way that runs so smoothly right out of the gates D1. Even if we had massclaimed we would have nothing to go on now except "The real Poisoner is probably a claimed Btw (And even that isn't a guarantee). So,  well executed scum.

Not to be too harsh on Robz, but I'm not getting why M100 had stronger town PRs and a 2shot vig and this one has an unlimited delayed (...more beneficial for scum than town modifier?) vig.

[Galzria]

Also, I want to take a moment to applaud the Mafia team here. That play with iguana is 100% pre-meditated N0. No other way that runs so smoothly right out of the gates D1. Even if we had massclaimed we would have nothing to go on now except "The real Poisoner is probably a claimed Btw (And even that isn't a guarantee). So,  well executed scum.

Not to be too harsh on Robz, but I'm not getting why M100 had stronger town PRs and a 2shot vig and this one has an unlimited delayed (...more beneficial for scum than town modifier?) vig.

100 did as well - Inventor took one extra night to ramp but was otherwise the same (arguably stronger since you could direct who controlled the shot) - It's just nobody took it.

[Galzria]

Also, I want to take a moment to applaud the Mafia team here. That play with iguana is 100% pre-meditated N0. No other way that runs so smoothly right out of the gates D1. Even if we had massclaimed we would have nothing to go on now except "The real Poisoner is probably a claimed Btw (And even that isn't a guarantee). So,  well executed scum.

Not to be too harsh on Robz, but I'm not getting why M100 had stronger town PRs and a 2shot vig and this one has an unlimited delayed (...more beneficial for scum than town modifier?) vig.

I do think it's too strong as designed though. Should be 2-shot at most.

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Also, I want to take a moment to applaud the Mafia team here. That play with iguana is 100% pre-meditated N0. No other way that runs so smoothly right out of the gates D1. Even if we had massclaimed we would have nothing to go on now except "The real Poisoner is probably a claimed Btw (And even that isn't a guarantee). So,  well executed scum.

I agree. No offense iguana, but this feels like a faust/galzria plan and iguana rolled goon and played up to the occasion. 

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Also, I want to take a moment to applaud the Mafia team here. That play with iguana is 100% pre-meditated N0. No other way that runs so smoothly right out of the gates D1. Even if we had massclaimed we would have nothing to go on now except "The real Poisoner is probably a claimed Btw (And even that isn't a guarantee). So,  well executed scum.

Not to be too harsh on Robz, but I'm not getting why M100 had stronger town PRs and a 2shot vig and this one has an unlimited delayed (...more beneficial for scum than town modifier?) vig.

I do think it's too strong as designed though. Should be 2-shot at most.

I think we shouldn't complain about supposed disadvantages and just lynch scum

[Galzria]

Also, I want to take a moment to applaud the Mafia team here. That play with iguana is 100% pre-meditated N0. No other way that runs so smoothly right out of the gates D1. Even if we had massclaimed we would have nothing to go on now except "The real Poisoner is probably a claimed Btw (And even that isn't a guarantee). So,  well executed scum.

Not to be too harsh on Robz, but I'm not getting why M100 had stronger town PRs and a 2shot vig and this one has an unlimited delayed (...more beneficial for scum than town modifier?) vig.

I do think it's too strong as designed though. Should be 2-shot at most.

I think we shouldn't complain about supposed disadvantages and just lynch scum

I don't see why we can't aim to do both.

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 that's fair.

[Galzria]

that's fair.

Obviously lynching scum must happen here. But O is correct that it's a little ridiculous to go:

- Town Lynch
- 1 NK
- SK Lynch
- 1 NK
- Mafia Lynch
- 2 NK

And be in LyLo now.

Yes... technically an SK Lynch isn't a Mafia Lynch, so you could argue we've "mislynched" two days in a row... But we also didn't have the SK kill N1, or the Mafia Kill N2. So... yeah. Kinda worn griping about.

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Also, let's hurry up and claim.

[Galzria]

Also, let's hurry up and claim.

Need Space

[Galzria]

Well, while we wait, things on my mind:

- Scum probably have a Roleblocker. LaLight didn't die N1, which means scum weren't terribly afraid of his JK. This would incline me to believe they could block him already, but combined with the lack of SK kill N1, it's almost a certainty.

- Town has some sort of protective or preventative role. I can't really explain the lack of Mafia Kill N2 otherwise.

- Is it possible or worth considering any potential redirecting that could have happened in prior nights? It would be fantastic if scum got their poison last night redirected onto another scum - but that's almost certainly wishful thinking.

[Qvist]

Yeah, I think we played fairly well so far and still are in terrible spot.
I am pretty confident Galzria is town.
Eevee looks more and more scummy. The whole "not realizing that the Poisoner didn't get killed" sounded a bit forced, additionally to the whole weird different behaviour in comparism to the limited experience I have with him.

[O]

Yeah, I think we played fairly well so far and still are in terrible spot.
I am pretty confident Galzria is town.
Eevee looks more and more scummy. The whole "not realizing that the Poisoner didn't get killed" sounded a bit forced, additionally to the whole weird different behaviour in comparism to the limited experience I have with him.

I also did not realize until today that the poisoner didn't die, if that means anything.

[Galzria]

Yeah, I think we played fairly well so far and still are in terrible spot.
I am pretty confident Galzria is town.
Eevee looks more and more scummy. The whole "not realizing that the Poisoner didn't get killed" sounded a bit forced, additionally to the whole weird different behaviour in comparism to the limited experience I have with him.

I also did not realize until today that the poisoner didn't die, if that means anything.

Really? Between you and Teproc that detail never came up?

[Swowl]

Yeah, I think we played fairly well so far and still are in terrible spot.
I am pretty confident Galzria is town.
Eevee looks more and more scummy. The whole "not realizing that the Poisoner didn't get killed" sounded a bit forced, additionally to the whole weird different behaviour in comparism to the limited experience I have with him.

I also did not realize until today that the poisoner didn't die, if that means anything.

Really? Between you and Teproc that detail never came up?

So... probably paranoia talking here, but this is a moderately good point at minimum

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I am not surprised people didn't realize iguana wasn't the poisoner

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I am not surprised town* didn't realize iguana wasn't the poisoner

Fixed

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My paranoia says that faust came up with the whole poisoner thing. Very interested to see him claim goon here in iguanas spot

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Ok, so we ask for people to full claim (including bid, draft order and results) in this order

Space
Eevee
Galz
faust
Qvist
DatSwan
e
RR

Also... after this I would also like to add you and O need to claim bid/position

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Qvist, faust, X for scum

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Qvist, faust, X for scum

Which, with the result on space, I could see that.

Actually, faust/space/X where X=(qvist, rr, datswan)

I don't think galzria is scum. At least, we don't want to lynch him today.