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[silverspawn]

Welcome to M57: Blarnia Mafia!

This is an invented, closed, but fairly simple 9 Player setup.

Mod: silverspawn

Player list:

• Awaclus - Mafia Goon (Survived) - WINS
• A Drowned Kernel - Vanilla Townie (Killed Night 2)
• Teproc - Town Protector (Killed Night 3)
• Hydrad - Mafia Gladiator (Lynched Day 3) - WINS
• CalignoBot - Innocent Child (Endgamed)
• Jimmmmm - Vanilla Townie (Lynched Day 4)
• Archetype - Vanilla Townie (Lynched Day 1)
• Pit - Vanilla Townie (Lynched Day 2)
• 2.71828..... - Vanilla Townie (Killed Night 1)

Tagged: faust, Joseph, Ichimaru Gin, ashersky

Day 1 start
Day 2 start
Day 3 start
Day 4 start
Game end

The RULES OF MAFIA will be followed with the following additions/changes:

• Day deadlines will be 10 days. Night deadlines will be 2 days.
• Night Actions should be submitted during the first 24 hours of Night.
• You may vote: nolynch. If a majority of these votes is reached, a no-lynch will occur.
• Mafia is obligated to perform the factional kill every night.
• Alignment will be referenced as Town-Aligned or Mafia-Aligned.
• Flavor of lynches may reference the vote count, but flavor names are randomly assigned and not indicative of alignment. Flavor of night kills is not indicative of anything, even if it might seem that way.
• All town players have personal QT's, but using them is completely optional. I just like QT's.
• Bold, blue text is reserved to the mod. Any other format may be used during the game.
• Posts from the game may not be quoted anywhere outside the game.

Note about the setup: There will not be many roles, but there may be unusual ones. It is "simple" mostly in regards to the amount of Roles.

[Awaclus]

/in

[faust]

/tag

[Joseph2302]

Not sure I have time to play, so /tag.

[A Drowned Kernel]

/in, why not

[Teproc]

Blarnia ? Is it a parody of Narnia ?

/in

[silverspawn]

Blarnia ? Is it a parody of Narnia ?

/in

yeah, it's a small german book I've got lying around. I haven't read the original, but I think it's fairly close.

[Ichimaru Gin]

/tag

[Hydrad]

/in

[A Drowned Kernel]

I want to play this, people should /in

[ashersky]

tag

[CalignoBot]

/in

[Jimmmmm]

/in

[Archetype]

/in

[xxpittip]

/in

[littleB]

/in

[silverspawn]

PM's are sent. The thread is locked for players. Spectators may still /tag

Day 1 will start shortly after everyone has confirmed.

[silverspawn]

Once upon a time, there were four kids, who were called Pete, Sue, Ed, and Loo Perversie. Their parents sold them to an old Professor for medical purposes – well, actually, they rented them, we don't want to exaggerate. The professor, who had bought his title on eBay, was living literally on the ass of the word, far, far away from the nearest police station. One morning, the kids were carefully wrapped into craft paper, and sent to the Professor's home through the mail.

This is were we're going to stop ripping of passages of the book through, because as soon as the Professor finished unwrapping them, he was suddenly hit by a heart attack. Just like that. A few seconds later, he lay dead on the floor.

"Hey," Ed said. "I read the whole book, and this is not supposed to happen. I think the author screwed up."

"Cool!" Loo smiled, and happily kicked the Professor's corpse in the butt. Loo had what one could call an unhealthy obsession with death, to the point that she had spent the majority of her time in her mother's womb trying to strangle herself with the umbilical cord.

Sue, who was not quite as insane, was staring at the dead professor in shock. "Loo..." she grabbed her sister by the arm and pulled her away from the corpse. "I don't think..."

But she couldn't finish her sentence, because she was interrupted by a deep and powerful voice. It was the author.

Shut up everyone. I'm going to change the story.

"___!" Ed spat. "Does this mean we read the whole _____ book for no reason?"

Yes. Instead of telling a fictional story of a bunch of kids who hallucinate about a magical land, we'll use that land to play a little game called mafiascum. You will magically know all the rules, because I am too lazy to explain them. Now go through the closet.

"..." Pete shivered, but like all of his siblings, he was incapable of resisting the order which the almightly lector had given them.

As they crawled deeper and deeper into the closet, and the 90th's cloths were slowly replaced by trees and snow, each of the kids had its own way of dealing with things. Sue was in denial; being the most normal out of the kids meant being the most rational, and she just wasn't ready to put up with the prospect of incoming death. Loo, of course, practically beamed in anticipation. Ed saw both a threat and an opportunity in this situation: if he played it just right,  he would be able to get rid of several of his annoying siblings, and make a lot of money in the process (the author hadn't said anything about money, but Ed was convinced that there was some way to make profit out of almost anything).

For Pete, meanwhile, the now pending threat of death was mixed with a large amount of self discovery and, to a lesser extent, shame. Most people thought of him as reckless, generally unpleasent, and not smart enough to be afraid of something. Deep down in his heart, however, he was reckless, generally unpleasent, and just barely intelligent enough to feel scared. Right now, he felt that the only thing that could effectively ditract him from his own misery was mocking his little brother, so he randomly grabbed Ed's head and pressed it into the snow.

"Blmbbnmmmpfpff..."

"This is all your fault", Pete spat. "And you're useless. I bet even this piece of air here has a stronger role than you have."

And he may have been right.

[silverspawn]

CalignoBot, who is The Solid Piece of Air that is an IC, is an Innocent Child!

[silverspawn]

Thread unlocked!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (9): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, Teproc, Hydrad, CalignoBot, Jimmmmm, Archetype, Pit, littleB

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[Awaclus]

First! vote: ADK

[Teproc]

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

[Teproc]

Well, it would be protect: Calignobot, because syntax.

Obviously doing it on the IC has no point, but I'm not sure the power has much of a point at all to be honest, aside from minor stuff like preventing derphammers.

[Hydrad]

and were live.

And wow fastest claim I'm ever seen.

[Teproc]

and were live.

And wow fastest claim I'm ever seen.

I hate RVS, thought it'd be nice to have something to talk about. It's a role where I put orders in the thread anyway, so I'd have to claim at some point to use it.

There was consideration to keeping it secret and using it to prevent a quickhammer or something, but that's really an edge case, and I'd need to e alive at lylo for that, which isn't the most common state of affairs.

[Hydrad]

and were live.

And wow fastest claim I'm ever seen.

I hate RVS, thought it'd be nice to have something to talk about. It's a role where I put orders in the thread anyway, so I'd have to claim at some point to use it.

There was consideration to keeping it secret and using it to prevent a quickhammer or something, but that's really an edge case, and I'd need to e alive at lylo for that, which isn't the most common state of affairs.

Ya I don't disagree with your decision.

[Awaclus]

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

Can you use it at LyLo? Sounds pretty OP if you can.

[Teproc]

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

Can you use it at LyLo? Sounds pretty OP if you can.

Not really. Well it's good if I have perfect reads, but that's pretty conditional. I also need to be alive by then, which is not super likely either.

[xxpittip]

Vote: Teproc because he is actually a scum-protector.

[Awaclus]

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

Can you use it at LyLo? Sounds pretty OP if you can.

Not really. Well it's good if I have perfect reads, but that's pretty conditional. I also need to be alive by then, which is not super likely either.

So you can? I would think that targeting yourself is pretty good since it gives the other townies a good chance to hit scum that day (well, unless Pit is right). And especially if you're actually scum, it's pretty OP at LyLo.

[Teproc]

That's a good point. Too late though, and again, I don't have enough confidence in my ability to survive to not claim and hope to screw up lylo for scum.

Aside from the limit on using on myself, there are no restrictions on the power. silver did specifically said it wouldn't be visible in the vote count, if we want to verify the claim, we'll have to "hammer" someone I'm protecting. Likely the best way to do this without wasting time or taking any risks is to do it at the end of the day, once we're ready to hammer someone, I'll protect him, then we'll hammer, and then I'll move my protection elsewhere, which should result in a lynch.

[xxpittip]

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

Can you use it at LyLo? Sounds pretty OP if you can.

Not really. Well it's good if I have perfect reads, but that's pretty conditional. I also need to be alive by then, which is not super likely either.

So you can? I would think that targeting yourself is pretty good since it gives the other townies a good chance to hit scum that day (well, unless Pit is right). And especially if you're actually scum, it's pretty OP at LyLo.

I wouldn't really call that OP if he is town :
T = Town, S = Scum, [Normal chance to hit scum]-> [chance when Teproc protects himself] (assuming random lynches and Teproc stays alive when he uses his power on himself)
2T vs 1S
33% chance to hit scum -> 50% chance (50% -> 100% if the IC is still alive)
3T vs 2S
40% -> 50% (50% -> 66% if the IC is still alive)
3T vs 1S
25% -> 33% (33% -> 50% if the IC is still alive)
4T vs 2S
33% -> 40% (40% -> 50% if the IC is still alive)

If Teproc is scum:
2T vs 1S
Teproc wins because town can't lynch him
3T vs 1S
All 3 town players would have to agree on lynching him otherwise he wins.
3T vs 2S
40% -> 25% chance to lynch scum (unless Teprocs partner and everyone else votes for him) (75% chance that we lose the game)
(50% -> 33% if the IC is still alive)
4T vs 2S
33% -> 20% chance to lynch scum (unless Teprocs partner and everyone else votes for him) (80% chance that we lose the game)
(40% -> 25% if the IC is still alive)

If we come to a LyLo situation Teprocs power is decently helpful for us if he is town and very dangerous if he is scum. If we aren't in LyLo his power is only helpful if his reads are better than the ones of us.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: pit if he's being serious about voting for teproc. I don't think that a) scum has that power and b) scum claims that power right away if they have it.

I'm not sure how Teproc effectively uses his power, though. In theory, a larger lynch is good, because it gives us more information (I think), but most likely it just means whoever he uses it on doesn't get lynched.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also, were other town players also given a personal QT? Does anyone know if those are for anything special? Mine doesn't seem to have a specific purpose.

[littleB]

Everyone has been given a QT even if you don't need it.

[Archetype]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

Also, were other town players also given a personal QT? Does anyone know if those are for anything special? Mine doesn't seem to have a specific purpose.

silverspawn mentioned in the OP that everyone will have a personal QT. #readingthesetupisscummy

[Archetype]

Ninja'd by littleB!  Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?

[Teproc]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

[xxpittip]

vote: pit if he's being serious about voting for teproc. I don't think that a) scum has that power and b) scum claims that power right away if they have it.

I'm not sure how Teproc effectively uses his power, though. In theory, a larger lynch is good, because it gives us more information (I think), but most likely it just means whoever he uses it on doesn't get lynched.

My vote wasn't serious... I just chose a random "reason" to  vote for someone and my second post wasn't meant to imply we should get rid of him and his power, only to give an approximation of the usefulness of it.

[Archetype]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

I would have treated it as a Governor and not claimed it until I wanted to use it. Claiming it now reads like an attempt to gain towncred.

[Teproc]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

I would have treated it as a Governor and not claimed it until I wanted to use it. Claiming it now reads like an attempt to gain towncred.

Well yes. How is towncred a bad thing ?

Mostly it's because I see very little use for this power, so by claiming early I get two things out of it :
- crowdsource the power, as I have no idea how to use it effectively before mylo/lylo situations
- potential town cred

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.1

A Drowned Kernel (1): Awaclus
Teproc (2): Pit, Archetype
Pit (1): A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (5): Teproc, Hydrad, CalignoBot, Jimmmmm, littleB

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[littleB]

Ninja'd by littleB!  Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?

Not at all.

[Awaclus]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

I would have treated it as a Governor and not claimed it until I wanted to use it. Claiming it now reads like an attempt to gain towncred.

Vote: Archetype

Isn't it good for townies to gain towncred?

[Hydrad]

Ninja'd by littleB!  Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?

Not at all.

well I hope you enjoy it!

[Hydrad]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

I would have treated it as a Governor and not claimed it until I wanted to use it. Claiming it now reads like an attempt to gain towncred.

Well yes. How is towncred a bad thing ?

Mostly it's because I see very little use for this power, so by claiming early I get two things out of it :
- crowdsource the power, as I have no idea how to use it effectively before mylo/lylo situations
- potential town cred

The one weakness is this isn't a power that can be crowdsourced at all I believe. If people say that they want to use it on someone that person wouldn't be getting lynched anyways as the majority wouldn't want him to be lynched anyways.

But ya I understand teproc. I would have no idea what to do with that power either.

[xxpittip]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

I would have treated it as a Governor and not claimed it until I wanted to use it. Claiming it now reads like an attempt to gain towncred.

Vote: Archetype

Isn't it good for townies to gain towncred?

It's about as good (propably worse) than for scum to gain towncred.

[Teproc]

Ninja'd by littleB!  Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?

Not at all.

Welcome !

Here's a way to get you into the game : do you think I'm telling the truth ?

PPE : Hydrad, yeah, that's true. By crowdsourcing I don't necessarily mean to say I'm going to let town pick who I should protect, but it might interact in interesting ways with other PRs for example. Not that they should claim because I did, but just knowing it exists could be useful for them, and I don't think it's particularly useful for scum, despite making me a kill target, but I already kind of am by default so whatever.

pit : yeah, what I mean is wanting towncred is completely null.

[Teproc]

Since we have new people around : PPE means "Pre-Post Edit", meaning that you use to respond to posts that were written after you wrote your initial post. If you just say "PPE 5" or something, it means you haven't read the 5 posts above your own, though as a general rule, you should at least skim them, especially if you're voting, to avoid hammering someone accidentally.

[Archetype]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

I would have treated it as a Governor and not claimed it until I wanted to use it. Claiming it now reads like an attempt to gain towncred.

Vote: Archetype

Isn't it good for townies to gain towncred?

It's about as good (propably worse) than for scum to gain towncred.

This.

Take this hypothetical: Scum has this power, but realizes there's very little utility for them as using it as their partner totally outs themselves if that player is lynched. So instead of keeping quiet about it, they claim it to try and gain some towncred. I believe that that is what is happening here. Especially because it was claimed at the very beginning of the day.

[Teproc]

How is this scenario any more likely for scum than it is for town ?

[Archetype]

Ninja'd by littleB!  Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?

Not at all.

That's OK! A small game like this is a good way to learn the ropes.

[Archetype]

How is this scenario any more likely for scum than it is for town ?

Hm. I'm on mobile now. What I said was my initial, gut reaction to your claim when I first read it. How likely is it for scum vs Town to claim it? I'm not sure, but I'll be looking at it from both perspectives more in depth when I'm on a computer and can use more than my thumbs to type.

[littleB]

Ninja'd by littleB!  Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?

Not at all.

Welcome !

Here's a way to get you into the game : do you think I'm telling the truth ?

PPE : Hydrad, yeah, that's true. By crowdsourcing I don't necessarily mean to say I'm going to let town pick who I should protect, but it might interact in interesting ways with other PRs for example. Not that they should claim because I did, but just knowing it exists could be useful for them, and I don't think it's particularly useful for scum, despite making me a kill target, but I already kind of am by default so whatever.

pit : yeah, what I mean is wanting towncred is completely null.

Ninja'd by littleB!  Do you have any Mafia/Werewolf experience?

Not at all.

Welcome !

Here's a way to get you into the game : do you think I'm telling the truth ?

PPE : Hydrad, yeah, that's true. By crowdsourcing I don't necessarily mean to say I'm going to let town pick who I should protect, but it might interact in interesting ways with other PRs for example. Not that they should claim because I did, but just knowing it exists could be useful for them, and I don't think it's particularly useful for scum, despite making me a kill target, but I already kind of am by default so whatever.

pit : yeah, what I mean is wanting towncred is completely null.

If I think you're telling the truth about having a protecting ability?
Well.. I think you're telling the truth and I want to ask you out to protect me <3

[Awaclus]

Take this hypothetical: Scum has this power, but realizes there's very little utility for them as using it as their partner totally outs themselves if that player is lynched. So instead of keeping quiet about it, they claim it to try and gain some towncred. I believe that that is what is happening here. Especially because it was claimed at the very beginning of the day.

Wouldn't scum just keep quiet about it and then protect themselves during LyLo if they get that far? I mean, we have no way of confirming that Teproc is telling the truth about there being no restrictions, but if he is, then to me it sounds like that would be the best use of the power. And I also think that silver wouldn't give scum a power like that.

To me, this Teproc case of yours feels insincere.

[littleB]

poke, why is nobody saying anything

[Teproc]

Well, you said you believed my role, but do you believe I'm town ? My role is relatively verifiably so I think almost everyone is going to believe that, but I'm more interested in what you think of my alignment.

Or anyone else's alignment for that matter. What do you think fo Awaclus' and Archetype's reactions ?

[Hydrad]

poke, why is nobody saying anything

Sometimes the game dies down. Especially on weekends. But ya I agree that we need to keep posting! (even if I'm one of the lesser posters)

As for my views on Teproc... I think towny right now.

[Jimmmmm]

Hai everyone!

Vote: Hydrad. Major scumslip.

[Teproc]

Hey Jimmmmm. What ?

[Hydrad]

Hey Jimmmmm. What ?

I agree!

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.2

Teproc (2): Pit, Archetype
Pit (1): A Drowned Kernel
Archetype (1): Awaclus
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm

Not Voting (5): Teproc, Hydrad, CalignoBot, littleB

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[littleB]

Awaklus acts way to innocent imo
Vote: Awaclus

[Hydrad]

Awaklus acts way to innocent imo
Vote: Awaclus

You will have to bold the vote for it to ocunt usually. Just to make sure that the mod doesn't miss the vote.

[Teproc]

How so ?

Also, you need to bold votes for them to be counted.

[littleB]

Because he's like "Well for a scum it would be pretty stupid to tell his abilitys right away *cough cough*"
Vote: Awaclus

[A Drowned Kernel]

Pit, if your vote wasn't serious, why are you keeping it there?

[Jimmmmm]

Is it worth testing Teproc's claim?

[Hydrad]

Is it worth testing Teproc's claim?

I don't see why not. But I think we can wait until we are about to lynch someone and then use it.

But at the same time I see 0 reason that Teproc would be lying as town or scum about this. So whatever alignment he is I believe his claim.

[Archetype]

For the sake of the argument, I'm going to assume that the power that Teproc claims is true. I don't want to waste time verifying it and A) I don't think Teproc would come up with that as a fakeclaim (not that you're not a good player!) and B) It's a role crazy enough for silverspawn to include. So, from that, there's two alignments the role could belong to: Town/Scum.

Town:

If I have this power, the use is to stop lynches I feel aren't going to land on scum. However, I have to out myself as a PR to do that. Is it worth it? Probably not. It's like a very, very weak Governor, which is already a weak power because if that's who the majority of people want to lynch, it's going to happen anyway. So should I use my power? No, probably not unless I want to confirm myself. Do I claim it? Well, since you're never going to use it, you're basically claiming Vanilla. Which is bad. So, no. I wouldn't claim it.

Scum:

If I have this power, I'm going to be using it to stop my partner's lynch. However, if the lynch goes through despite adding some love, I'll look super scummy. I could use it on a Townie to hopefully stop their lynch and then when I get lynched people think that that's my partner who I was trying to save. Also, the word "protect" is pretty Towny sounding as well. But, do I claim it? I think, yes. At least it's a nice way to grab Towncred. Though if I were scum I'd probably ditch the power and fakeclaim something else.

From a setup perspective, an IC is fairly powerful in a 9 player game. That drops the lynch pool for everyone but him to 7 players with at least 2 likely being correct lynches. So it only makes sense that the Town would be given very weak additional powers, if any.

His reasoning for claiming, as I (and Hydrad a bit earlier) pointed out, doesn't make much sense. The power becomes irrelevant when groupthink already decides who lives and dies for the day. So, he's basically claiming Vanilla. He also states that it could interact with other powers, but that shouldn't determine whether or not you claim. Because if you think your power DOES help another power, you would not want to risk being nightkilled and thus not claim in the first place. So, the logic for Teproc's claim falls flat and just reads as an attempt to gain towncred. But I won't give his claim any. I think Teproc is a better Town player than one who just outright claims his power. So, I'll be leaving my vote on him.

PPE: 2

[A Drowned Kernel]

Is it worth testing Teproc's claim?

I'm not sure I see what info we gain from it, and it would waste time and clog up the thread.

PPE: arch's post

[Archetype]

Reads ATM:

Hydrad - Towny. I agree with a lot of what he's saying, but think he's coming to the wrong conclusions.
littleB - Towny. Doesn't seem like ultra-nervous-first-time-scum
Jimmmmm - Scummy. Asking to test Teproc's power seems unnecessary. So what if it is real? We'll know if he uses it anyway.

Null on everyone else.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think that it makes sense that Teproc claimed his power as town. I wouldn't know what to do with that power, and claiming it doesn't seem to hurt anything- I don't think it's a PR that scum is going to prioritize NK'ing. And I don't think deliberately trying to seem towny is actually all that scummy.

[Archetype]

Reads ATM:

Hydrad - Towny. I agree with a lot of what he's saying, but think he's coming to the wrong conclusions.
littleB - Towny. Doesn't seem like ultra-nervous-first-time-scum
Jimmmmm - Scummy. Asking to test Teproc's power seems unnecessary. So what if it is real? We'll know if he uses it anyway.

Null on everyone else.

Well, not Teproc. But that's a given.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm trying to figure out what to make of Archetype here. I'm thinking possibly scummy. He's posting a lot, gives a reads list right away, is taking a stance that is noticeable but not too aggressive.

Yeah, I like vote: archetype

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm - Scummy. Asking to test Teproc's power seems unnecessary. So what if it is real? We'll know if he uses it anyway.

I didn't ask to test it, I asked if it was worth testing. What does scum gain by asking?

[Archetype]

Jimmmmm - Scummy. Asking to test Teproc's power seems unnecessary. So what if it is real? We'll know if he uses it anyway.

I didn't ask to test it, I asked if it was worth testing. What does scum gain by asking?

Probably nothing. None of my reads are major, just things I noticed. And, yes, I think I misread your original question which drops you down to null.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm - Scummy. Asking to test Teproc's power seems unnecessary. So what if it is real? We'll know if he uses it anyway.

I didn't ask to test it, I asked if it was worth testing. What does scum gain by asking?

Probably nothing. None of my reads are major, just things I noticed. And, yes, I think I misread your original question which drops you down to null.

Hooray!

[xxpittip]

Pit, if your vote wasn't serious, why are you keeping it there?

Why should i change it? If he would be at L-1 for some reason that i don't agree with or if i find someone scummy enough to vote for him i will change my vote, but for now it's just fine.

[Teproc]

I'm, like 90% convinced Archetype is town. He's putting himself out there on this, his position isn't particularly popular but it's well-argued... yeah, I don't see him being town.

You are wrong though. Well maybe I shouldn't have claimed, but I believe the town cred (if believed) is worth much more than anything the actual power could be used for.

I would still like an answer to that question littleB : do you think I'm town ? You can say whatever you want, but I'd like for you to take some kind of stance on the subject.

[Teproc]

"I don't see him being scum", is what that should say.

[Jimmmmm]

Pit, if your vote wasn't serious, why are you keeping it there?

Why should i change it? If he would be at L-1 for some reason that i don't agree with or if i find someone scummy enough to vote for him i will change my vote, but for now it's just fine.

This.

[Teproc]

Pit, if your vote wasn't serious, why are you keeping it there?

Why should i change it? If he would be at L-1 for some reason that i don't agree with or if i find someone scummy enough to vote for him i will change my vote, but for now it's just fine.

This.

I disagree. I don't think your vote should ever be on anyone if you don't mean it, it just makes the game harder to read. Right now I'm really at one vote, but it looks like I'm at two. If I get wagonned, I might getto L-2 at a point when I'd really be at L-3.

What's the upside in leaving your vote exactly ? Well I know it's not yours but you seem to agree with pit.

Also, what was that about Hydrad scumslipping ? RVS ?

[littleB]

It might be due to me being new to the game, but you seem a quite open about yorself, clarifying why you act like you do. So since you're putting so much effort into convincing other's you're a towny and it's being quite convincing.. I'll just go with you're a scum cuz you're most likely just playing with our minds lol

also: is there any way to bypass the insane amount of varifications before posting?

"2 new posts since i wrote this post"
so now i have to write
PPE 2 ?

[Teproc]

Alright.

vote: Awaclus

Scum's gut reaction to claims is always, always to believe them, because :
1) They know, pretty much, that they're true
2) They're afraid of going against the current, and because they know the claim is true, they assume everyone will believe it, especially in this context of super early game

Not only that, but he jumped on the occasion to go after Arch as soon as he took a contrary position, using "This case feels insincere" as a reason which, sure, that's a reason town is going to use, but I really see nothing insincere about Arch's case at all.

Oh, and littleB's answer seems townie to me.

[Jimmmmm]

Pit, if your vote wasn't serious, why are you keeping it there?

Why should i change it? If he would be at L-1 for some reason that i don't agree with or if i find someone scummy enough to vote for him i will change my vote, but for now it's just fine.

This.

I disagree. I don't think your vote should ever be on anyone if you don't mean it, it just makes the game harder to read. Right now I'm really at one vote, but it looks like I'm at two. If I get wagonned, I might getto L-2 at a point when I'd really be at L-3.

So what? I'd rather you get to L-2 than L-3. If my vote was sitting on you all the way through to a lynch then yeah I have to own that. But otherwise, earlyish on Day 1, it's not a major issue.

[Teproc]

This is what I forgot to mention about why I claimed by the way Arch : it bypasses RVS, which is awesome.

PPE : not major sure, but you felt strongly enough about it to feel the need to defend him. What gives ?

[Jimmmmm]

This is what I forgot to mention about why I claimed by the way Arch : it bypasses RVS, which is awesome.

PPE : not major sure, but you felt strongly enough about it to feel the need to defend him. What gives ?

Um, just remembering being strongly scrutinised for having my vote on someone who wasn't even a viable lynch because I hadn't seen a reason to change it.

[Teproc]

Oh right, Dune Mafia. Well it did end up hurting town there. I agree it's a minor point though.

[Hydrad]

It might be due to me being new to the game, but you seem a quite open about yorself, clarifying why you act like you do. So since you're putting so much effort into convincing other's you're a towny and it's being quite convincing.. I'll just go with you're a scum cuz you're most likely just playing with our minds lol

also: is there any way to bypass the insane amount of varifications before posting?

"2 new posts since i wrote this post"
so now i have to write
PPE 2 ?

Ya you got it. And ya I had the same feeling when everyone was using terms I didn't understand. I'll try and give a quick rundown of some commenly used ones.

L-1 or L-2 or that kinda idea: This basically means they are (L-1) One vote away from being lynched. L-2 means 2 votes away.

RVS: This is basically the random voting stage. It usually happens at the beginning of the game because there is nothing to go off of so people just randomly vote until something happens that you can actually state your opinions on and then we try to find scum. This game isn't having as much of it luckily as teproc claimed right away so we already have something to discuss.

WIFOM: I suck at explaining it so i'm going to use a example that might help. Like when someone says they are going to use rock next in rock paper scissors. It makes you think oh is he going to use rock? or does he just want me to think hes going to use rock. This explanation might be poorly described but i think its close.

Thats what i can think of now. Hopefully this helped

[Hydrad]

also I may of not even needed to post that... I may of misunderstood what you were asking.

If so ignore that post.

[CalignoBot]

Hi, I'm here.

I'll post stuff soonish. Gotta parse stuff first.

[CalignoBot]

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

I am inclined to townread this. At minimum, I'm not going to support a wagon on this slot on day 1 without a significant amount of evidence for him being anti-town. There's not a whole lot of reason for scum to openly state this when they could just keep that claim in the background and sneak that in when one of their 'town reads' gets close to being lynched.

Plus it brings attention to him early on and makes him a big focus in the early game. There's a lot more to lose than gain as scum by doing this.

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

Can you use it at LyLo? Sounds pretty OP if you can.

Not really. Well it's good if I have perfect reads, but that's pretty conditional. I also need to be alive by then, which is not super likely either.

So you can? I would think that targeting yourself is pretty good since it gives the other townies a good chance to hit scum that day (well, unless Pit is right). And especially if you're actually scum, it's pretty OP at LyLo.

On the other hand, I don't like this post. The logic doesn't make very much sense and this type of thinking doesn't look town-motivated in the first place. Telling someone to use an ability on themselves that makes them harder to kill and then focusing on the scum side in the last line feels like it was a calculated response.

---

Teproc's indication of how the role works makes me think even more that it was town-motivated to claim. Something that's misleading as that would be better to keep hidden and try to pass off as a governor role later if he had to use it as scum.

Also, were other town players also given a personal QT? Does anyone know if those are for anything special? Mine doesn't seem to have a specific purpose.

This post is pinging me slightly, mainly the way he stated town players. Reads like a subtle attempt to influence reads on him before he goes into the spotlight.

Archetype (#39): We got the same indication with opposite results. Can you go into more detail for me here please?

Teproc (#40): What's your experience with mafia up to this point?

Archetype (#49): Scratch the last question. Leaning town on this explanation.

I'm leaning slight town on LittleB up to about mid-page 3.

Jimmmmm's post calling out Hydrad and then completely switching gears to ask a passive question a few posts later pings. His posts at the top of page 4 are decaying my read further.

Yeah, littleB is town. The explanation for the Awaclus vote is dripping newtown.

[CalignoBot]

Vote: Jimmmmmm

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm's post calling out Hydrad and then completely switching gears to ask a passive question a few posts later pings. His posts at the top of page 4 are decaying my read further.

Pings of what exactly?

[CalignoBot]

Scum pings.

It's jarring to come out with such an aggressive post and then start being passive directly afterwards.

[Jimmmmm]

Scum pings.

It's jarring to come out with such an aggressive post and then start being passive directly afterwards.

I think aggressive and passive are oversimplifications. I'm also very good at not being jarring when I'm scum.

[CalignoBot]

Then why did you completely ignore the people who asked you to elaborate and move on to other things?

[xxpittip]

Pit, if your vote wasn't serious, why are you keeping it there?

Why should i change it? If he would be at L-1 for some reason that i don't agree with or if i find someone scummy enough to vote for him i will change my vote, but for now it's just fine.

This.

I disagree. I don't think your vote should ever be on anyone if you don't mean it, it just makes the game harder to read. Right now I'm really at one vote, but it looks like I'm at two. If I get wagonned, I might getto L-2 at a point when I'd really be at L-3.

What's the upside in leaving your vote exactly ? Well I know it's not yours but you seem to agree with pit.

I do mean my vote. It was just random at first, but you are my "#1 scum-read" right now (even if it still is a weak read) and i think the vote is a good way of indicating that to the other players. What i meant was that i wouldn't want you to be lynched right now, beacuse 1. My read isn't strong enough right now to justify lynching you and 2. the day has just started and not too much happend so far (-> we would start day2 with almost no information if we lynch you right now).

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.3

Teproc (2): Pit, Archetype
Archetype (2): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Awaclus (2): littleB, Teproc
Jimmmmm (1): CalignoBot

Not Voting (1): Hydrad

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[Awaclus]

Because he's like "Well for a scum it would be pretty stupid to tell his abilitys right away *cough cough*"
Vote: Awaclus

Do you disagree with it though?

Alright.

vote: Awaclus

Scum's gut reaction to claims is always, always to believe them, because :
1) They know, pretty much, that they're true
2) They're afraid of going against the current, and because they know the claim is true, they assume everyone will believe it, especially in this context of super early game

Not only that, but he jumped on the occasion to go after Arch as soon as he took a contrary position, using "This case feels insincere" as a reason which, sure, that's a reason town is going to use, but I really see nothing insincere about Arch's case at all.

Why does it make sense that scum!me would tell the truth about believing your claim because I'm afraid of going against the current, and then immediately go against the current and lie about thinking that Arch's case is insincere? I think it makes a lot more sense that Arch is simply lying about not believing your claim.

[Teproc]

Oh, so CalignoBot is an experienced player, sweet.

I've been playing mafia for over a year on these forums.

@Awaclus : well I expected Archetype to catch a lot of heat for this, I expect you did too.

[littleB]

@Awaclus
Well, I'd keep it to myself, that's the difference. I could also be entirely wrong, this is mostly based on an irrational feeling.

[Jimmmmm]

Then why did you completely ignore the people who asked you to elaborate and move on to other things?

Because I didn't see any need to elaborate.

[A Drowned Kernel]

You voted without giving any real explanation, and people asked for an explanation. How is that "no need to elaborate"?

[Jimmmmm]

You voted without giving any real explanation, and people asked for an explanation. How is that "no need to elaborate"?

Because I don't have to do what I'm told.

[Teproc]

Right Jimmmm, we understand you're better than everyone and thus don't have to expalin your votes, but we would appreciate if you enlightened us mere mortals with your findings...

[Jimmmmm]

Right Jimmmm, we understand you're better than everyone

I wouldn't go that far.

[Teproc]

That's just great. Good job Jimmm, you're not being anti-town at all. Awesome.

[Jimmmmm]

Sorry, I'm being annoying. There was obviously no scumslip. When I made my first post, I hadn't read any previous posts, and I voted for the first name I saw.

[Jimmmmm]

That's just great. Good job Jimmm, you're not being anti-town at all. Awesome.

[Teproc]

That's what I figured, ok, let's move on.

Any opinion on who's scum ?

[Archetype]

Because he's like "Well for a scum it would be pretty stupid to tell his abilitys right away *cough cough*"
Vote: Awaclus

Do you disagree with it though?

Alright.

vote: Awaclus

Scum's gut reaction to claims is always, always to believe them, because :
1) They know, pretty much, that they're true
2) They're afraid of going against the current, and because they know the claim is true, they assume everyone will believe it, especially in this context of super early game

Not only that, but he jumped on the occasion to go after Arch as soon as he took a contrary position, using "This case feels insincere" as a reason which, sure, that's a reason town is going to use, but I really see nothing insincere about Arch's case at all.

Why does it make sense that scum!me would tell the truth about believing your claim because I'm afraid of going against the current, and then immediately go against the current and lie about thinking that Arch's case is insincere? I think it makes a lot more sense that Arch is simply lying about not believing your claim.

What makes my argument so insincere?

[Archetype]

Also, were other town players also given a personal QT? Does anyone know if those are for anything special? Mine doesn't seem to have a specific purpose.

I didn't notice the "Town" thing before and agree that it seems like he was trying too hard.

[Archetype]

I'm, like 90% convinced Archetype is town. He's putting himself out there on this, his position isn't particularly popular but it's well-argued... yeah, I don't see him being town.

You are wrong though. Well maybe I shouldn't have claimed, but I believe the town cred (if believed) is worth much more than anything the actual power could be used for.

I totally agree that the town cred from claiming is better than the power. But since it is easily done by both scum or Town (and harder to justify as Town) I'm not going to give your claim any. And since its super duper unlikely that you'll use it, you're basically claiming VT. Which isn't only bad for Town, but helpful for scum if you put it under the guise of obtaining towncred.

[Archetype]

Re: Awaclus' Case. Eh, yeah I can see it and don't understand what of my analysis and conclusion of Teproc's claim to be insincere, but I much prefer Teproc and possibly ADK.

[Teproc]

I'm, like 90% convinced Archetype is town. He's putting himself out there on this, his position isn't particularly popular but it's well-argued... yeah, I don't see him being town.

You are wrong though. Well maybe I shouldn't have claimed, but I believe the town cred (if believed) is worth much more than anything the actual power could be used for.

I totally agree that the town cred from claiming is better than the power. But since it is easily done by both scum or Town (and harder to justify as Town) I'm not going to give your claim any. And since its super duper unlikely that you'll use it, you're basically claiming VT. Which isn't only bad for Town, but helpful for scum if you put it under the guise of obtaining towncred.

I disagree (in that I still think my claim ends up being pro-town), but fine.

I think you guys are reading too much into the ADK thing, I find myself doing that kind of thing unintentionally sometimes.

[Awaclus]

What makes my argument so insincere?

I don't know exactly why, but for some reason, the "I believe that that is what is happening here" felt like you were being a little bit too sure when it was that early and I didn't agree with your reasoning.

[Hydrad]

Sorry, I'm being annoying. There was obviously no scumslip. When I made my first post, I hadn't read any previous posts, and I voted for the first name I saw.

Being annoying can sometimes be good. Gets more reactions!

[Hydrad]

I wanna Vote: ADK

[littleB]

Vote: ADK
I agree with him trying too hard

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.4

Teproc (2): Pit, Archetype
Archetype (2): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Awaclus (1): Teproc
Jimmmmm (1): CalignoBot
A Drowned Kernel (2): Hydrad, littleB

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[A Drowned Kernel]

I wanna Vote: ADK

You shouldn't.

[Awaclus]

I don't know about ADK. Finding Archetype scummy is certainly not a scum tell, but I'm not sure if the townslip is. Not reading the setup is one thing, but it was mentioned in the rules, and I don't necessarily find it hard to believe that he didn't read the rules, but I do find it at least surprising.

[A Drowned Kernel]

You find it surprising that I went "closed setup, rules of mafia, yeah I've played a bunch of games I know all this"?

[xxpittip]

I'm not sure about ADK trying too hard. This is pretty much the same thing as someone asking you something that they could just as well google and the existence of lmgtfy.com (let me google that for you) proves that this happens quite often.

[Awaclus]

You find it surprising that I went "closed setup, rules of mafia, yeah I've played a bunch of games I know all this"?

I don't think it's surprising that you didn't click on the link to the rules of mafia. I think it's surprising that you didn't read the changes and additions to the rules of mafia, which you wouldn't know before reading them.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I skimmed it, and nothing stood out as being unusual. When I got a QT I was like "huh, that's odd." So I asked about it.

[Teproc]

You find it surprising that I went "closed setup, rules of mafia, yeah I've played a bunch of games I know all this"?

FWIW this is exactly what I did, and had ADK not brought it up, I would have assumed only PRs had a QT (in fact I initially thought I could do the protecting thing in the QT, but no dice).

I'm null on ADK for this, I could easily see him do that in both alignments, and it didn't stand out to me at all.

[Awaclus]

I skimmed it, and nothing stood out as being unusual. When I got a QT I was like "huh, that's odd." So I asked about it.

I guess that makes sense.

[CalignoBot]

Sorry guys, I'll have to get back to this tomorrow. I've been too worn out to think the past couple of days. I have tomorrow off from work, so I'll be able to do more.

[Archetype]

I don't find ADK asking whether or not people got a QT to be scummy. Him specifically mentioning Town players, however, is a little weird.

[Jimmmmm]

I don't find ADK asking whether or not people got a QT to be scummy. Him specifically mentioning Town players, however, is a little weird.

You think he was trying to get Towncred?

[Archetype]

I don't find ADK asking whether or not people got a QT to be scummy. Him specifically mentioning Town players, however, is a little weird.

You think he was trying to get Towncred?

I'm not sure what he would be trying to get, he just seemed like he was trying to hard to appear Town. Like, instead of just asking "Did everyone else get a QT?", he had to mention that he was Town.

Certainly not a slam dunk, but besides Teproc's claim and the Awaclus case, nothing else has really jumped out to me.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Well it would be doubly weird for scum players to have their own QTs in addition to the scum QT. But I guess the OP suggests that that's what Silverspawn did.

Also I find it a bit suspicious that what's "jumped out" to Arch are the cases against the two people who are voting for him.

[CalignoBot]

Archetype: Can you explain what you mean by "trying too hard"?

[Archetype]

Archetype: Can you explain what you mean by "trying too hard"?

Instead of just asking "Hey, did anyone else receive a QT?", ADK decided to also mention that he was Town. To me, that seems to me like trying too hard to appear Town by explicitly stating that he is Town.

[Archetype]

Well it would be doubly weird for scum players to have their own QTs in addition to the scum QT. But I guess the OP suggests that that's what Silverspawn did.

Also I find it a bit suspicious that what's "jumped out" to Arch are the cases against the two people who are voting for him.

Well, besides the players I mentioned, what has jumped out to you?

[Hydrad]

Archetype: Can you explain what you mean by "trying too hard"?

Instead of just asking "Hey, did anyone else receive a QT?", ADK decided to also mention that he was Town. To me, that seems to me like trying too hard to appear Town by explicitly stating that he is Town.

Oh I like that point.

[Teproc]

Well it would be doubly weird for scum players to have their own QTs in addition to the scum QT. But I guess the OP suggests that that's what Silverspawn did.

Also I find it a bit suspicious that what's "jumped out" to Arch are the cases against the two people who are voting for him.

I'm not voting for Arch.

Hydrad, that's not a "point", that's the entire case... why were you voting against ADK before ?

[Hydrad]

Well it would be doubly weird for scum players to have their own QTs in addition to the scum QT. But I guess the OP suggests that that's what Silverspawn did.

Also I find it a bit suspicious that what's "jumped out" to Arch are the cases against the two people who are voting for him.

I'm not voting for Arch.

Hydrad, that's not a "point", that's the entire case... why were you voting against ADK before ?

Pretty much just gut feeling.

[CalignoBot]

Unvote: Jimmmmm
Vote: Archetype

I'm not buying it. He didn't notice it at all until I posted it, then jumped on it and tried to give it his own spin despite showing that he didn't notice it until I did. It feels wrong.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Well it would be doubly weird for scum players to have their own QTs in addition to the scum QT. But I guess the OP suggests that that's what Silverspawn did.

Also I find it a bit suspicious that what's "jumped out" to Arch are the cases against the two people who are voting for him.

Well, besides the players I mentioned, what has jumped out to you?

That I made a case against you earlier, and instead of responding to it you're attacking me for something unrelated and kind of silly. And that Hydrad is sheeping you hardcore.

[Archetype]

Well it would be doubly weird for scum players to have their own QTs in addition to the scum QT. But I guess the OP suggests that that's what Silverspawn did.

Also I find it a bit suspicious that what's "jumped out" to Arch are the cases against the two people who are voting for him.

Well, besides the players I mentioned, what has jumped out to you?

That I made a case against you earlier, and instead of responding to it you're attacking me for something unrelated and kind of silly. And that Hydrad is sheeping you hardcore.

I looked back at your posts and couldn't find what case you were referring to. Can you point me to it?

Unvote: Jimmmmm
Vote: Archetype

I'm not buying it. He didn't notice it at all until I posted it, then jumped on it and tried to give it his own spin despite showing that he didn't notice it until I did. It feels wrong.

I'm not sure what you mean. I think I put the same 'spin' on it as you did. Ok. Just checked and, yeah, it's pretty much what you originally said. I only picked it out because I hadn't noticed it before. Then I had 2 people sheep the point, but I didn't vote him for it...it was seriously just something I found interesting that I hadn't noticed before and felt I should give my opinion on it.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm trying to figure out what to make of Archetype here. I'm thinking possibly scummy. He's posting a lot, gives a reads list right away, is taking a stance that is noticeable but not too aggressive.

Yeah, I like vote: archetype

This is less substantial than I remembered, but you giving a reads list right off the bat, and unprompted, seemed a little scummy to me. Like "oh, I better make sure I get some opinions out there so I look towny," but in a fake kind of way.

[CalignoBot]

Okay, here's the issues I have with Archetype's play right now.

1. Awaclus votes him and makes a case. Archetype's response? Completely ignored it. After Teproc votes Awaclus and states that he's basically taking Archetype's side in that engagement, he decides that's a good time to engage.
2. Directly affiliated with the above: he goes into his read on Teproc again here, but the way he goes about it is bizarre. He admits immediately that it could have been done from town or mafia, but goes into a lengthy explanation as to why it's anti-town. This in itself wouldn't be scummy, but he has stated recently that the only thing about Teproc that stood out was the claim and another separate post stated that Teproc is his biggest scumread. This is not only being wishy washy, but it feels like it was manufactured to try to keep Teproc from turning on him while keeping his lynch options open.

Those two points, when put together, make me think he's more concerned about his self-image than scumhunting.

3. Minor point, but it bugs me how he knows he got sheeped, but doesn't show any reaction to it whatsoever. It looks more like he wanted to distance himself from a wagon he started after it got going, but didn't want to actively try to sabotage it.

EDIT: This is like the 8th time I've screwed up the verification key since the game began. This site is really good at putting lines through in the worst spots ._.

[Teproc]

Meh. I mean it's not a bad case, but I'm not convinced, I'd much rather lynch Awaclus or Jimmmmm.

[Hydrad]

Meh. I mean it's not a bad case, but I'm not convinced, I'd much rather lynch Awaclus or Jimmmmm.

Why Jimmm? Just because he did his annoying vote on me?

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.5

Teproc (2): Pit, Archetype
Archetype (3): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Awaclus (1): Teproc
A Drowned Kernel (2): Hydrad, littleB

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[Awaclus]

Meh. I mean it's not a bad case, but I'm not convinced, I'd much rather lynch Awaclus or Jimmmmm.

If it's not a bad case, why lynch me?

[A Drowned Kernel]

More to the point, if it's not a bad case, why not lynch archetype?

[Awaclus]

More to the point, if it's not a bad case, why not lynch archetype?

That's a good point too.

[xxpittip]

unvote

The Archetype case is quite convincing for a day1 case (especially since it's made by the IC) but i don't want to put him at L-1 just yet. I still think most of his arguments regarding Teprocs claim being scummy / anti-town are true and there's still enough time left until we have to make our final decision.

[A Drowned Kernel]

What's so bad about L-1? Do you really think someone's going to derphammer?

[xxpittip]

What's so bad about L-1? Do you really think someone's going to derphammer?

What's so good about L-1? And yes, i think that could happen (i derphammered someone myself in M54) or someone could lynch him on purpose because that person is somehow convinced that it's a good decision.

[A Drowned Kernel]

My point being that you're second person who's said "it's a decent case but I'm not going to vote there", which raises my hackles.

[Hydrad]

Personally I'm getting more wary of L-1 lately. When I first started on this forum it felt like there was never a quickhammer at L-1. In the past few games it feels like almost once a game someone has been quickhammered so I can understand the wariness.

[Jimmmmm]

Personally I'm getting more wary of L-1 lately. When I first started on this forum it felt like there was never a quickhammer at L-1. In the past few games it feels like almost once a game someone has been quickhammered so I can understand the wariness.

Great way to catch scum though.

[Hydrad]

Personally I'm getting more wary of L-1 lately. When I first started on this forum it felt like there was never a quickhammer at L-1. In the past few games it feels like almost once a game someone has been quickhammered so I can understand the wariness.

Great way to catch scum though.

except it feels like most of the quickhammers have been on town by town lately.

Maybe I'm just remembering wrong though.

[Awaclus]

Personally I'm getting more wary of L-1 lately. When I first started on this forum it felt like there was never a quickhammer at L-1. In the past few games it feels like almost once a game someone has been quickhammered so I can understand the wariness.

Great way to catch scum though.

except it feels like most of the quickhammers have been on town by town lately.

Maybe I'm just remembering wrong though.

Scum got quickhammered in the Lost mafia.

[CalignoBot]

I'm starting to wonder if scum are trying to stall out this lynch.

[littleB]

My point being that you're second person who's said "it's a decent case but I'm not going to vote there", which raises my hackles.

vote: pit

[xxpittip]

I'm starting to wonder if scum are trying to stall out this lynch.

Does that even help them? If the day goes longer we have more posts = more information for the next day...

[CalignoBot]

It does. Stalling a wagon makes it lose steam and when the momentum is lost, the wagon will just kind of... fade away. I've played on two other sites and this tactic is a fairly common one on both.

[Teproc]

Back from V/LA.

@people asking me about my "good case but not convinced" comment... I actually forgot CalignoBot was an IC there, I was commenting on the fact that the case seemed genuine (ie more likely to come from town), even though I disagree, as I think Arch is town.

I'd rather lynch Awaclus, Jimmm, ADK or pit, in that order.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.6

Teproc (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Awaclus (1): Teproc
A Drowned Kernel (1): Hydrad
Pit (1): littleB

Not Voting: (1) Pit

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[Jimmmmm]

It does. Stalling a wagon makes it lose steam and when the momentum is lost, the wagon will just kind of... fade away. I've played on two other sites and this tactic is a fairly common one on both.

How exactly does scum go about stalling a wagon? There are presumably 6 or 7 Town players, none of which are being terribly active. You can't hold scum responsible for that (not pointing fingers at anyone else any more than myself).

[silverspawn]

littleB has been modkilled for massive personal harassment and stalking.

He is replaced by 2.71828.....

[Teproc]

Huh ?

Charming...

2.7, have you been following along ? Thoughts ?

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.7

Teproc (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot
Hydrad (1): Jimmmmm
Awaclus (1): Teproc
A Drowned Kernel (1): Hydrad
Pit (1): 2.71828.....

Not Voting: (1) Pit

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[2.71828.....]

Hi guys.  So....important stuff when I did a reread after being asked to sub in.

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

This is cool.  Seems townie enough to me.

Vote: Teproc because he is actually a scum-protector.

Haven't played with you before.  You have been mislynched early in other games though, right?  I guess I won't just vote you for no reason.

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

Also, were other town players also given a personal QT? Does anyone know if those are for anything special? Mine doesn't seem to have a specific purpose.

silverspawn mentioned in the OP that everyone will have a personal QT. #readingthesetupisscummy

I feel like I haven't played with Archetype in a long time.  Is he scum here?

[2.71828.....]

and no, haven't been following along, but there wasn't too much so it was a short reread.

[2.71828.....]

oh, and I am already voting for the player that I haven't played with before (other than the IC).  How nice!

And it was already established that I am town earlier, right?  I saw someone post something along those lines

but I will unvote for now

[2.71828.....]

and sheep Jimmmmm, because I don't know if I have ever done that before.  And he is usually town.  And can have some really good reads.  And I don't really like the case against Archetype.  Maybe because I didn't read thoroughly enough.  But, vote: Hydrad

[Jimmmmm]

and sheep Jimmmmm, because I don't know if I have ever done that before.  And he is usually town.  And can have some really good reads.  And I don't really like the case against Archetype.  Maybe because I didn't read thoroughly enough.  But, vote: Hydrad

Don't sheep me, neither of us have actually made a case against Hydrad. Unvote. I'll find a better place for it to go when I can.

[Awaclus]

Is he scum here?

Yes.

[Teproc]

Is he scum here?

Yes.

No.

e, what's the case on Hydrad ?

[Hydrad]

Is he scum here?

Yes.

No.

e, what's the case on Hydrad ?

I don't think there is a case at all.

[Hydrad]

Also welcome e!

[Teproc]

Is he scum here?

Yes.

No.

e, what's the case on Hydrad ?

I don't think there is a case at all.

Somehow I feel like you're not best qualified to answer that question though.

[Hydrad]

Hmm having people swap out mid game is weird. I guess e feels slight towny to me though just through littleB's actions.

[Hydrad]

Somehow I feel like you're not best qualified to answer that question though.

Don't worry I'm not biased at all.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Strange, but okay.

I still feel good about the arch lynch, partially because he does feel different from normal. Also it seems like he got really quiet when he got pressure on him. Is he VLA?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Doesn't look like it, so yeah.

[xxpittip]

Hi guys.  So....important stuff when I did a reread after being asked to sub in.

Alright.

I'm a Town Protector

During the day, I can type protect : CalignoBot (or whomever) and that player becomes loved, meaning you'd need one more vote to lynch them. It's like a vote, in that I can change it whenever I want, I can even not protect at all. I can do it on myself, but if I do I lose my power at the start of the next day.

Thoughts ?

This is cool.  Seems townie enough to me.

Vote: Teproc because he is actually a scum-protector.

Haven't played with you before.  You have been mislynched early in other games though, right?  I guess I won't just vote you for no reason.

Yes, i was lynched on day1 in Newbie-Mafia and on day3 in Musical Mafia (and i played Lost-Mafia...)

[2.71828.....]

Also welcome e!

hmmmm.  Hydrad is being friendly.  unvote.  I will look back over things later (while I am not in the middle of a dominion game with Monsieur X).  Can someone put down a good summary of the Archetype case?

[Teproc]

Also welcome e!

hmmmm.  Hydrad is being friendly.  unvote.  I will look back over things later (while I am not in the middle of a dominion game with Monsieur X).  Can someone put down a good summary of the Archetype case?

Have you found friendliness to be a towntell for Hydrad ? Why were you voting for him in the first place ?

[A Drowned Kernel]

As I see it, he was posting a lot and acting somewhat nervous at the start of the game (he gave a reads list in like his fifth post), when I voted for him he kind of OMGUS'd by going back to something I posted earlier that he hadn't found suspicious before I voted for him, and now he's quiet. I don't know, anything else? It's not super substantial but I like it for a day one case.

[A Drowned Kernel]

That's referring to Arch btw.

[Archetype]

Hi, sorry for taking so long to get back to this. I had a packed weekend. Rereading now.

[Archetype]

Okay, here's the issues I have with Archetype's play right now.

1. Awaclus votes him and makes a case. Archetype's response? Completely ignored it. After Teproc votes Awaclus and states that he's basically taking Archetype's side in that engagement, he decides that's a good time to engage.
2. Directly affiliated with the above: he goes into his read on Teproc again here, but the way he goes about it is bizarre. He admits immediately that it could have been done from town or mafia, but goes into a lengthy explanation as to why it's anti-town. This in itself wouldn't be scummy, but he has stated recently that the only thing about Teproc that stood out was the claim and another separate post stated that Teproc is his biggest scumread. This is not only being wishy washy, but it feels like it was manufactured to try to keep Teproc from turning on him while keeping his lynch options open.

Those two points, when put together, make me think he's more concerned about his self-image than scumhunting.

3. Minor point, but it bugs me how he knows he got sheeped, but doesn't show any reaction to it whatsoever. It looks more like he wanted to distance himself from a wagon he started after it got going, but didn't want to actively try to sabotage it.

EDIT: This is like the 8th time I've screwed up the verification key since the game began. This site is really good at putting lines through in the worst spots ._.

Point 2: anti-town =/= scum. However, in Teproc's case, where I know his meta enough to know that he wouldn't be anti-town as Town, I have to go with him being scum. Fair point on me being wishy-washy on Teproc because, besides the claim, I'm getting a Towny-ish vibe.

Point 3: I'm not sure what you mean by sheeped. I never voted for ADK, so I'm not sure how I could have started the wagon.  And I'm not going to "sabotage" it because ADK could be scum. My vote isn't on ADK, however, because I'm more confident in Teproc.

The reactions on Caligno Bot's case are what I expected (Teproc opposes and ADK/Awaclus Support), but I'm interested in what everyone else has to say. Especially Jimmmmm who seems to kind of be egging it on with his "[quickharmers are a] great way to catch scum" comment.

Still feeling towny on littleb/e. 'Harassment' doesn't seem to be something that scum would do, but there was renioe. But e hasn't done anything to change that read since he subbed in.

[Hydrad]

Honestly I don't know what to think of arche.

He feels towny and scummy at the same time if thats possible. I guess that means hes a null read right now?

I guess towny because it looks like hes actively scum hunting but at the same time scummy because it feels like hes forcing points almost.

It feels like hes a bit too sure for day 1 but I can't tell if thats just a towny confident archetype or a scummy archetype.

Have I not played many games with you arch? I remember dice mafia and that bastard game.

[A Drowned Kernel]

And the winner for hedgiest post in a mafia game goes to...!

[Hydrad]

And the winner for hedgiest post in a mafia game goes to...!

Hooray! I'm a winner!

[2.71828.....]

And the winner for hedgiest post in a mafia game goes to...!

Hooray! I'm a winner!

We lynch hedgy people, right?  We used to at least.  vote: hydrad

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.8

Teproc (1): Archetype
Archetype (3): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot
Hydrad (1): 2.71828.....
Awaclus (1): Teproc
A Drowned Kernel (1): Hydrad

Not Voting: (2) Pit, Jimmmmm

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[Teproc]

What is up with this game ? It reminds me of the time where every single day would go to deadline and there would be a massive scramble to get a lynch through last minute.

Let's not do that.

Obviously no one else wants to lynch Awaclus. Let's try something else.

vote : A Drowned Kernel

[Awaclus]

I'm not a huge fan of ADK and Hydrad lynches today.

[silverspawn]

littleB, you are not allowed to post in this thread as you are dead. Your post has been deleted.

[xxpittip]

Vote: Archetype
That's L-1 I think Archtype is the best lynch atm. He seems relatively scummy and if he turns out to be town we still get good information for day2.

[xxpittip]

That's L-1 and i'm too stupid to underline stuff

[Teproc]

Vote: Archetype
That's L-1 I think Archtype is the best lynch atm. He seems relatively scummy and if he turns out to be town we still get good information for day2.

vote : pit

Scummy vote. Weak overjustification along with the classic "more info!" excuse. If Arch is town, as I believe, scum is just awkwardly waiting for the lynch to go through, and this is a typical "let's lynch him, but don't go after me when he flips town" vote.

[Archetype]

Vote: Archetype
That's L-1 I think Archtype is the best lynch atm. He seems relatively scummy and if he turns out to be town we still get good information for day2.

What changed your mind to vote me?

[CalignoBot]

Sorry, I'm around. I forgot to post here when I made my V/LA posts. I'll get something up when I can.

Also, hi e-guy.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not a huge fan of ADK and Hydrad lynches today.

ADK is a terrible lynch, Hydrad not so much.

[Hydrad]

I'm not a huge fan of ADK and Hydrad lynches today.

ADK is a terrible lynch, Hydrad not so much.

I would say its more so the other way around.

[xxpittip]

Vote: Archetype
That's L-1 I think Archtype is the best lynch atm. He seems relatively scummy and if he turns out to be town we still get good information for day2.

What changed your mind to vote me?

I realized that CalignoBot was right about the game losing momentum. Putting someone at L-1 seemed to be a good way of generating more momentum.

 

Vote: Archetype
That's L-1 I think Archtype is the best lynch atm. He seems relatively scummy and if he turns out to be town we still get good information for day2.

vote : pit

Scummy vote. Weak overjustification along with the classic "more info!" excuse.

Why is it scummy to jutify my votes? It's not very helpful for town if i just vote someone while keeping my reasons to myself. 
And the information part is not an excuse for anything, but a valid reason. It's unrealistic to expect a scum lynch on every first day of a game (the chance is propably not much higher than the chance to kill scum with a random lynch) and information is the most useful thing for the rest of the game. If information wouldn't be as important as it is, mafia would be a game of pure luck.

this is a typical "let's lynch him, but don't go after me when he flips town" vote.

pit : yeah, what I mean is wanting towncred is completely null.

How is wanting towncred null, while not wanting to lose towncred is scummy?

[Hydrad]

I don't get why this game so many people are getting suspected because they want to be towny. Don't both town and scum try to be towny or am I missing something.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm finding pit towny, or at least townier than I usually do. I don't really like a Hydrad lynch all that much, actually. He's usually an easy lynch. e's probably a little scummy for trying to start a wagon on him. And I've decided that Terpoc is towny for voting for me.

[2.71828.....]

Hey, I was busy with other stuff tonight, but deadline is still a couple days away so we have a bit of time.  I will be sure to post some stuff tomorrow and the night before the lynch on the 5th. 

(won't be around at deadline though.  I don't really think that anyone will.  I think we should probably settle on a lynch at least by this time on the 5th)

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.9

Teproc (1): Archetype
Archetype (4): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit {L-1}
Hydrad (1): 2.71828.....
A Drowned Kernel (1): Hydrad
Pit (1): Teproc

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time

[Teproc]

Vote: Archetype
That's L-1 I think Archtype is the best lynch atm. He seems relatively scummy and if he turns out to be town we still get good information for day2.

vote : pit

Scummy vote. Weak overjustification along with the classic "more info!" excuse.

Why is it scummy to jutify my votes? It's not very helpful for town if i just vote someone while keeping my reasons to myself. 
And the information part is not an excuse for anything, but a valid reason. It's unrealistic to expect a scum lynch on every first day of a game (the chance is propably not much higher than the chance to kill scum with a random lynch) and information is the most useful thing for the rest of the game. If information wouldn't be as important as it is, mafia would be a game of pure luck.

this is a typical "let's lynch him, but don't go after me when he flips town" vote.

pit : yeah, what I mean is wanting towncred is completely null.

How is wanting towncred null, while not wanting to lose towncred is scummy?

I guess you chose to ignore "weak" and "over-". Justifying your vote isn't scummy, but justifying it in a way that feels forces is.

Saying you want to lynch someone for information is a great position for scum to take, because later when people turn on you you can say "well I didn't really think he was scum, I was just getting some of that sweet information !". It's a way to avoid responsibility, which scum loves.

[Hydrad]

Hmm well I might be around at deadline... sometimes I stay up a bit to late.

But at this rate it looks like arche is just going to get lynched unless something happens in the next couple days. At this point though I would read arche as slight scummy though so I am ok with lynching him today. I'm still ok with ADK and would kinda prefer him but looks like I'm the only one that thinks hes kinda scummy.

[2.71828.....]

I really don't like the Archetype lynch.  I think it is a disaster.  I mean, I don't think scum argues that Teproc is scum there.  It just doesn't add up to me.  It seems pretty far-fetched that this power belongs to scum.  And does scum make crazy far-fetched cases against people?  In my experience town is usually the one to do that.

I do like the idea of Teproc using his power on Archetype.  In case anyone gets trigger happy.  And we learn stuff about Teproc.  Like if he is lying about his power (which I doubt)

[2.71828.....]

Yeah I'll Vote: Teproc as the power itself does not seem to have much Town utility and the only reason to claim it seems to be so that he can say he has a power.

So... what would you have done ? Not claim and never use the power ?  Because using the power = claiming, since I have to type the orders in thread.

I would have treated it as a Governor and not claimed it until I wanted to use it. Claiming it now reads like an attempt to gain towncred.

Vote: Archetype

Isn't it good for townies to gain towncred?

It's about as good (propably worse) than for scum to gain towncred.

while re-reading I came across this, which makes absolutely no sense to me.

[2.71828.....]

vote: ADK

[2.71828.....]

Also, I think Jimmmmm is town.

[2.71828.....]

Today's Lynchpool:

Awaclus - could very well be scum here.
A Drowned Kernel - Probably scum
Teproc - probably town
Hydrad - possibly scum
CalignoBot - Innocent Child - most likely town, plus I haven't played with CalignoBot before so don't really want to lynch today
Jimmmmm - town
Archetype - town
Pit - possibly scum, but haven't played with him before and hasn't done anything terrible to warrant a lynch
2.71828..... - town

I am willing to lynch anyone not crossed off this list.  Plenty of options available.  I think from a scummiest to scummier to scummy scale I have ADK>Hydrad>Awaclus. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

These scum reads on me feel fabricated. What exactly is your justification, e and hydrad?

[2.71828.....]

These scum reads on me feel fabricated. What exactly is your justification, e and hydrad?

They are fabricated because I find you scummy?

As far as Hydrad goes:

Very sympathetic and agreeing with Teproc.

Buddying Jimmmmm a bit.

He is wary of L-1

And hedgy

So just seems very bubbly and overly friendly.  Which now that I think about it is scummy?  I think I remember town!hydrad doing that.  Or was it scum!hydrad?  I don't recall the game(s)....I am probably too tired right now.

But thank you for questioning my reads.  I was hoping people would and we could actually have some discussion about it.

[Hydrad]

I treat you with friendship and this is how you repay me? How dare you.

Anyways I am actually liking e more now. He seems pretty townie now although it's annoying Hes voting for me.

[2.71828.....]

vote: ADK

not voting you

[Hydrad]

vote: ADK

not voting you

Ya but you still find me scummy

[Hydrad]

Also as for adk I guess it's just kinda a gut read still. I don't really have a case but something feels weird about your posts.

[Hydrad]

Actually I just thought of a better way to describe it. It's mainly because in futurama I had this feeling about Faust and didn't trust it enough to vig him. So now I'm going to try and follow it.

[2.71828.....]

These scum reads on me feel fabricated. What exactly is your justification, e and hydrad?

They are fabricated because I find you scummy?

As far as Hydrad goes:

Very sympathetic and agreeing with Teproc.

Buddying Jimmmmm a bit.

He is wary of L-1

And hedgy

So just seems very bubbly and overly friendly.  Which now that I think about it is scummy?  I think I remember town!hydrad doing that.  Or was it scum!hydrad?  I don't recall the game(s)....I am probably too tired right now.

But thank you for questioning my reads.  I was hoping people would and we could actually have some discussion about it.

I just now realized I totally read that question wrong.  For some reason I thought that you (ADK) were asking my for why I thought hydrad was scummy.  I can have more input tomorrow, but it is too late now and I am afraid that the lynch will happen before I get online.  Because it appears as if no one gets online (except me and hydrad and a single post from ADK) between the hours of 7-10 Pacific (I knew, Europe is asleep, and the East coast is probably getting that way as well.  West coast just seems awful as far as time zones for mafia go (but who am I to complain, at least I am not in Australia or something like that(except that might be a cool place to live(wouldn't know, never been there)))).  Because that is basically when I will be around tomorrow.

[Hydrad]

These scum reads on me feel fabricated. What exactly is your justification, e and hydrad?

They are fabricated because I find you scummy?

As far as Hydrad goes:

Very sympathetic and agreeing with Teproc.

Buddying Jimmmmm a bit.

He is wary of L-1

And hedgy

So just seems very bubbly and overly friendly.  Which now that I think about it is scummy?  I think I remember town!hydrad doing that.  Or was it scum!hydrad?  I don't recall the game(s)....I am probably too tired right now.

But thank you for questioning my reads.  I was hoping people would and we could actually have some discussion about it.

I just now realized I totally read that question wrong.  For some reason I thought that you (ADK) were asking my for why I thought hydrad was scummy.  I can have more input tomorrow, but it is too late now and I am afraid that the lynch will happen before I get online.  Because it appears as if no one gets online (except me and hydrad and a single post from ADK) between the hours of 7-10 Pacific (I knew, Europe is asleep, and the East coast is probably getting that way as well.  West coast just seems awful as far as time zones for mafia go (but who am I to complain, at least I am not in Australia or something like that(except that might be a cool place to live(wouldn't know, never been there)))).  Because that is basically when I will be around tomorrow.

Ah that makes sense. I was wondering why you kinda singled me out out of nowhere.

[CalignoBot]

I can see Hydrad being scum with that case, although I have a completely different opinion on the Jimmmmm buddying.

...Actually, now that I think about it, a Jimmm/Hydrad team makes a lot of sense just from their interactions. I'm willing to go with a Hydrad lynch if one springs up.

[Archetype]

Where's Jimmmmmmmmmmmm? Seems like it's been a while since he's last posted.

I'll be doing a reread tomorrow to hopefully get my vote down on a more viable lynch target.

[Awaclus]

I could also lynch Hydrad if Archetype isn't happening.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.A

Teproc (1): Archetype
Archetype (4): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit {L-1}
A Drowned Kernel (2): Hydrad, 2.71828.....
Pit (1): Teproc

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time. That's in ~21 hours.

[Teproc]

Right, I forgot about confirming my claim.

protect: Archetype

vote: Archetype

vote: ADK

protect: CalignoBot

So if I lied Archetype should be lynched now, otherwise nothing will have changed (well, I switched to ADK because pit doesn't seem to be happening).

Vote count please ?

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.B

Teproc (1): Archetype
Archetype (4): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit {L-1}
A Drowned Kernel (3): Hydrad, 2.71828....., Teproc {L-2}

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time. That's in ~21 hours.

[Awaclus]

Actually I'm not so sure about the Hydrad lynch after all. He's slightly scummy, but the last time I thought he was slightly scummy, he ended up being a town PR. The last time I played against a scum!Hydrad though, I was pretty sure he was scum from D1, so I don't know but I don't want to lynch him today.

My top/only scum reads right now are Archetype > Pit > Jimmmmmm, and that's also my lynching preference order for today. As usual, I will also vote for anyone to make a lynch happen if I have to, but I don't really like the other lynches as much.

[Teproc]

The above, translated : "Well, Hydrad's not a popular wagon after all, let's stay on message and get that Archetype through."

I almost added a part about ADK being a partner but that would've been wish-fulfillment.

Seriously, no one else wants to lynch Awaclus or pit ? Either my reads are beyond awful or town is doing poorly.

[Awaclus]

The above, translated : "Well, Hydrad's not a popular wagon after all, let's stay on message and get that Archetype through."

I almost added a part about ADK being a partner but that would've been wish-fulfillment.

Seriously, no one else wants to lynch Awaclus or pit ? Either my reads are beyond awful or town is doing poorly.

I want to lynch Pit.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Pit just seems like new-ish town to me. I could lynch awaclus, though.

[Awaclus]

Awaclus seems like new-ish town to me as well.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Seriously, Archetype has been sitting at L-1 for ages now. Either he's scum or both scum are already on his wagon, and I really don't see Awaclus/pit.

[Teproc]

People have tried to interpret stallingwagons in numerous ways, I've never seen them be successful. If you remember the chairs lynch in SUper Mario, it stalled forever and scum!ash brought this argument up, and of course chairs flipped town.

If anyone else is willing to lynch either pit or Awaclus, I'll go for it.

[A Drowned Kernel]

How long was it at L-1, though? If arch was town you would think scum would have come up with a reason to hammer by now.

[2.71828.....]

Checking in at lunch.

Seriously, no one else wants to lynch Awaclus or pit ? Either my reads are beyond awful or town is doing poorly.

I am down for lynching Awaclus

vote: Awaclus

[2.71828.....]

These scum reads on me feel fabricated. What exactly is your justification, e and hydrad?

Mostly it was this single post that rubbed me the wrong way:

I'm trying to figure out what to make of Archetype here. I'm thinking possibly scummy. He's posting a lot, gives a reads list right away, is taking a stance that is noticeable but not too aggressive.

Yeah, I like vote: archetype

Basically, I really don't like your case on Archetype.  Or what originally started it.  "posting a lot, gives reads list right away, taking a noticeable stance" are all things that you can twist into being scummy, but I find are usually from town.  Since you twisted it, I think that you could very well be scum trying to get this lynch.  You have been consistent though.  You have maintained your case on Archetype and continued to work towards his lynch.  Tunneling someone is really not an alignment tell, as scum or town can do that, but in your case I think it is from scum.

[2.71828.....]

Checking in at lunch.

Seriously, no one else wants to lynch Awaclus or pit ? Either my reads are beyond awful or town is doing poorly.

I am down for lynching Awaclus

vote: Awaclus

I will totally switch back to ADK for a lynch.  I will be back before deadline, but I think we can get some movement on Awaclus.  We really need everyone to post and vote though.  Reads lists are good

lynch!: ADK, Awaclus
Would lynch: Hydrad

won't lynch: All the other people

[Teproc]

Let's do it.

vote: Awaclus

[Teproc]

I should be around for the deadline btw.

[Awaclus]

I think I'll be around for the deadline as well.

The above, translated : "Well, Hydrad's not a popular wagon after all, let's stay on message and get that Archetype through."

This doesn't make any sense really.

Basically, I really don't like your case on Archetype.

The case on Archetype is good. You should like it.

[Jimmmmm]

Hey sorry. I'll be somewhat around today, but not super around. Can someone sum up the case on Awaclus for me?

[Teproc]

Hm, well I just tried to reformulate one right now and I'm not feeling it anymore, rereading him. His flip-flopping on Hydrad especially actually reads like genuinely hesitant town to me.

unvote

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hey sorry. I'll be somewhat around today, but not super around. Can someone sum up the case on Awaclus for me?

I can't remember there being much of one. And no one is currently voting for him.

[Archetype]

Alright, reread the thread. Not much new stuff except that I'm fairly certain that Teproc and Awaclus could not be partners. I also found Hydrad to be much scummier. Here are a couple of things that stuck out to me:

Well it would be doubly weird for scum players to have their own QTs in addition to the scum QT. But I guess the OP suggests that that's what Silverspawn did.

Also I find it a bit suspicious that what's "jumped out" to Arch are the cases against the two people who are voting for him.

I'm not voting for Arch.

Hydrad, that's not a "point", that's the entire case... why were you voting against ADK before ?

Pretty much just gut feeling.

This is such a cop-out and I'm suprised I hadn't picked up this earlier.

Honestly I don't know what to think of arche.

He feels towny and scummy at the same time if thats possible. I guess that means hes a null read right now?

I guess towny because it looks like hes actively scum hunting but at the same time scummy because it feels like hes forcing points almost.

It feels like hes a bit too sure for day 1 but I can't tell if thats just a towny confident archetype or a scummy archetype.

Have I not played many games with you arch? I remember dice mafia and that bastard game.

Hmm well I might be around at deadline... sometimes I stay up a bit to late.

But at this rate it looks like arche is just going to get lynched unless something happens in the next couple days. At this point though I would read arche as slight scummy though so I am ok with lynching him today. I'm still ok with ADK and would kinda prefer him but looks like I'm the only one that thinks hes kinda scummy.

Very, very hedgy on me. And if you read his other posts, most of them are him buddying up to people.

I'll Vote: Hydrad. I'd prefer Teproc, but A) that's probably not going to happen today and B) he's actually scumhunting and stuff


In terms of potential lynch candidates, here's where I stand:
Teproc > Hydrad > A Drowned Kernel > Awaclus > Jimmmmm > xxpittip > e > CalignoBot

[A Drowned Kernel]

To me the worst part about voting for Hydrad is that I think that the people on the wagon are all pretty scummy.

[Hydrad]

Gah I'm starting to doubt myself on ADK now. The fact that hes defending me when I'm suspecting him so much feels towny.

awaclus feels townish to me.

At this point arche and ADK are about even.

[Hydrad]

also 8ish hours. do we know how many will be around for deadline as if we don't we should probably agree on someone before deadline.

[2.71828.....]

I am on now, and will be around for a few more hours at least, but probably not past 2am forum time. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

People are voting for you, Hydrad. You should hammer arch so that you don't get lynched.

[Hydrad]

People are voting for you, Hydrad. You should hammer arch so that you don't get lynched.

I'm tempted sometimes. But I'm not someone to do quickhammers like that especially before we hear a claim even if I was scum. Which reminds me arch. If your going to claim it probably should be soon as there it looks like you might be getting lynched at this rate.

[A Drowned Kernel]

People are voting for you, Hydrad. You should hammer arch so that you don't get lynched.

I'm tempted sometimes. But I'm not someone to do quickhammers like that especially before we hear a claim even if I was scum. Which reminds me arch. If your going to claim it probably should be soon as there it looks like you might be getting lynched at this rate.

"Quickhammer" isn't how I'd categorize this, he's been at L-1 forever and we're super close to deadline.

[Hydrad]

People are voting for you, Hydrad. You should hammer arch so that you don't get lynched.

I'm tempted sometimes. But I'm not someone to do quickhammers like that especially before we hear a claim even if I was scum. Which reminds me arch. If your going to claim it probably should be soon as there it looks like you might be getting lynched at this rate.

"Quickhammer" isn't how I'd categorize this, he's been at L-1 forever and we're super close to deadline.

True but I guess I like saying intent to hammer at this point anyways even if it is really close.

Now that I think about it I think I've barely hammered anyone. I guess I'm to afraid of being wrong.

Hmm

Intent to hammer. Hopefully your still around arch. I'll still wait till deadlineish for you.

[A Drowned Kernel]

So you're really going to vote just because I told you to?

[Hydrad]

So you're really going to vote just because I told you to?

I was planning on hammering him at deadline if no other people got up there in votes anyways. Then seeing as he hasn't claimed or anything I was wondering if he just wasn't aware of the danger. So I said intent to hammer.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Well I'm not going to be up for deadline as that's five a.m. my time. I like my vote where it is right now. See you all later!

[Archetype]

Are you asking me to claim?

This is supes scummers by the way.

[Hydrad]

Are you asking me to claim?

This is supes scummers by the way.

well if you don't want to you don't have to. I'm just hoping you realize that if you stay at L-1 at the end of the day you might be lynched and not get a chance to claim.

[2.71828.....]

Why don't people see that Archetype is town?

[2.71828.....]

vote: hydrad

[2.71828.....]

Actually, I like

vote: ADK

for now

[Hydrad]

actually you don't have to claim yet arch. If ADK wagon gets high enough you should still be fine.

Sorry I guess I misused intent to hammer :/

[2.71828.....]

vote count 1.e

Archetype (4): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit {L-1}
A Drowned Kernel (2): Hydrad, 2.71828.....{L-3}
Hydrad (1): Archetype

Not Voting (2): Jimmmmm, Teproc

We have about 5 hours to go.

I doubt Hydrad will be the lynch because if it gets close he hammers. 

I am willing to switch up to Pit if needed for a lynch.  I didn't find him excessively townie, but didn't really want to lynch him D1 as I don't have a read on him since I have never played with him. 

No one really sticks out as a fabulous lynch.  Which means we will probably lynch someone that some people view as town.  I can see why Teproc voted then unvoted Awaclus.  When I reread Hydrad I saw a pretty decent town narrative that just seemed a little over the top to me (which is why I think he could be scum).  But that was me seeing behind the town narrative (hence why people will find him townie).

Where are Pit and CalignoBot?  Pit hasn't posted in over 24 hours.  CalignoBot just once. 

[2.71828.....]

And also Jimmmmm hasn't really been around.

[2.71828.....]

And also Jimmmmm hasn't really been around.

the past 24 hours

[2.71828.....]

And I don't really think we need Arch to claim.  People already have proven they don't care about claims at this time of the day.  I mean, even the safest of claims gets people lynched.  (you know, like bodyguard.  Which scum claims NEVER)  (ok, maybe I am still a little upset that I wasn't around for the deadline of futurama D1)

[Archetype]

It's about 11:30 PM here, so I won't be "there" for deadline.

I much prefer Hydrad, but will Vote: ADK to save my own skin.

[Teproc]

Not a big fan of this position. Not a big fan of how this day has gone in general, and it feels like people won't be around...

vote: ADK

[2.71828.....]

vote count 1.e

Archetype (4): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit {L-1}
A Drowned Kernel (3): Hydrad, 2.71828....., Teproc {L-2}
Hydrad (1): Archetype

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

I am going to sleep now.  Not going to change my vote.

I stayed up way too late giving myself the excuse that people might post stuff.  But that didn't really happen.  I just ended up playing a bunch of Dominion on goko. 

[2.71828.....]

vote count 1.e

Archetype (4): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit {L-1}
A Drowned Kernel (4): Hydrad, 2.71828....., Archetype, Teproc {L-1}

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

I am going to sleep now.  Not going to change my vote.

I stayed up way too late giving myself the excuse that people might post stuff.  But that didn't really happen.  I just ended up playing a bunch of Dominion on goko.

oops.  fixed

[2.71828.....]

And Jimmmmm is scummy for not voting in my opinion.  But we can deal with that tomorrow

[Teproc]

And Jimmmmm is scummy for not voting in my opinion.  But we can deal with that tomorrow

Depends, if he shows up before deadline I think it's fine, which he might since it's in the evening for Australia.

[Hydrad]

Well I'm still here and unless I forget or fall asleep I'll be able to get a lynch through today.

[Hydrad]

So 1 hour left right? I'll give Jimmm a little more time to see if he wants to go ADK with me.

[Hydrad]

oh nvm 2

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 1.C

Archetype (4): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit {L-1}
A Drowned Kernel (4): Hydrad, 2.71828....., Teproc, Archetype {L-1}

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 6. Feb, 6 AM Forum time. That's in ~2 hours.

[Hydrad]

welp. I'm tempted to just hammer now so I don't have to keep checking back.

Monologue time.

On one hand I could kill arch now and stop checking in as it looks like thats the way its going.

On the other hand I could keep waiting and see if someone comes online to kill ADK.

Also I think its better for us to have Jimmm decide on someone.

hmmmmmmm.

I guess I'll go make some ichiban while I wait.

[Awaclus]

I'm around, but I'll start playing a league match at 10:00 UTC (i.e. pretty much now), so I might or might not be able to do anything useful before the deadline. I don't want to hammer ADK yet though.

[Hydrad]

Welp

Vote: Archetype I guess.

[silverspawn]

Thread locked!

[silverspawn]

When the kids walked further into the forest, they began to realize that they had no idea what to do next. Originally – in the book – things just happened to come up at the right moments, and there was always something to keep them occupied.

Sue was starting to consider falling back on her knowledge of the book to make things happen, although it didn't seem like fair play to her. When the cold wind became increasingly uncomfortable, she gave a curious look to her little sister. Usually, Loo was the first one to complain in a situation like this.

“Do you think...” Loo now began...

“No, I don't think you can kill yourself with that,” Pete said without looking.

“No...” Loo gave Pete a strange look, and an untypically said smile crept onto her face. “No, I never considered that.”

Ed, who until now had been grumpily staring at the ground, gave his sister an amused look.

“Eh... you sure did, Loo. Just a few minutes ago, you tried to cut your arteries with a piece of bark.”

“You know...” Loo continued without any sign of a reaction, “When I... when I visited that clearing last time I was in Blarnia... I thought I was doing the right thing. I had been given these items, and I had to deal with them somehow, right? I was... I... I really just wanted to to the right thing.”

“Yeah, I always thought killing yourself was the right thing to do,” Ed chortled. Pete, who had an admirable although somewhat stupid protective instinct towards all of his siblings, tried to slap Ed at that, but he laughed and dodged it easily. Sue, meanwhile, was the only one who seemed to be concerned about her sister.

“But when I showed them to everyone, it was so... crushing to see how they reacted. Even... even some of my friends...”

“You don't have friends,” Ed commented, still without really listening to her.

“What are you even talking about, Loo?” Sue asked hesitantly. “You have never been to Blarnia before. You mean in the book?”

“I never went to that place again. I didn't... I didn't even go near it. I can't... put up with it anymore. And I... I never want to play again. Even if I'm not gambling, and wouldn't gain more of them, I don't... I can't...”

Now even Ed realized that something was wrong, although he still couldn't bring himself to care. Pete was busy looking for a branch that was thick enough to make a passable club, and hadn't heard anything.

“Ed?” Sue said, her eyes fixated on Loo, who had stopped walking and was now hyperventilating. “I think Loo needs help. You remember the book better than me. What can we do?”

“I never wanted it to be a big thing... I never wanted any attention.” Loo seemed to have lost all awareness of her surroundings. “I just... couldn't do it anymore. It was a pain. Why is that such a horrible thing? Why couldn't... couldn't they understand it? Am I really that bad of a person just for asking something? I didn't even... I didn't... I didn't mean to...” Now she was collapsing, caught only by Sue who was kneeling in the snow beside her. “And she doesn't talk to me anymore...”

Ed watched Loo with an annoyed expression, then he sighed. “Asthma could probably help. But I've no idea if we can reach him.”

“Asthma?” Sue called, her voice anxious and faint. “Asthma, are you out there?”

“She doesn't talk to me anymore.” Loo closed her eyes, and a single tear fell into the snow. “If I could just... just... everything else wouldn't be that bad. But she's gone...”

“Someone has asked for my help?”

Everyone turned their heads.  A small tomcat was walking through the snow and towards them.

“Is that...” Sue began.

“A talking cat? Yeah.” Pete walked towards it, his club ready to strike. “Doesn't seem natural. Maybe we should kill it?”

Asthma yipped in annoyance. A second before Pete could reach him, he was lifted into the air and thrown to the next tree. Ropes appeared out of nowhere, and a second later he was captivated.

“Hey, cool.” Ed grinned, and went to utilize his brothers unfortunate situation.

“Something's not right with Loo.” Sue was still holding her sister, whose eyes and were now closed, her mouth moving without making a sound.

“Let me see her,” Asthma said calmly. Despite the horror of the situation, Sue briefly registered how weird it was to have a tomcat giving her orders.

When Asthma leaned over Loo's shaking body, she suddenly gasped and tried to move away from him.

“It's you! You did... you took...” but then she blinked, and her sudden outburst stopped as soon as it had begun. “No... it's not you...”

“You need to sleep,” Asthma ordered firmly, and pressed his paw on Loo's brow. “Shh...”

Loo's breathing slowed, and just a few seconds later she was breathing peacefully.

“She will be alright,” Asthma said. “But you... I can't help you anymore.”

“Me?” Sue blinked. “Why? I feel fine.”

“I'm sorry." Asthma lowered his gaze. "I don't understand how this works any more than you do. All I know is that you have been infected somehow. And it's too late for me to help.”

There was just enough time for the fear to reach Sue's face before the chocking started. When she collapsed from her kneeling position, the snow had already been painted red by the first drops of vomited blood.

[silverspawn]

Final Vote Count Day 1

Archetype (5): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot, Pit, Hydrad
A Drowned Kernel (3): 2.71828....., Teproc, Archetype

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 9 alive it took 5 to lynch.

[silverspawn]

Archetype has been lynched. He was Sue, a Vanilla Townie.

Night 1 will last until February 7, 4pm Forum time.

[silverspawn]

Note: I shortened the night a bit to have a better timed deadline for day two. You still have 24 for hours to submit night Actions.

[silverspawn]

Asthma didn't know why he had decided to come here, but it was probably the desire to talk to someone who he know used to be reasonable, which was a rare quality in Blarnia. When he found the cave, miles away from where Sue had died, he could smell the scent of worn out clothes, rotten meat, and unwashed skin from meters away. With a sigh, he wrinkled his nose and made his way inside.

It was pure chaos. The man responsible was lying drunk and asleep in between countless bottles with various alcoholic contents and former alcoholic contents. The smell was overwhelming.

He didn't like to do this. He wanted to use as little of his powers as possible. But even though his patience and good will was infinite, there was no point to endure this any longer. He had turned water into wine before. How different was this, really?

A few seconds later all liquid in the room was replaced by crystal clear water, the smell was gone entirely, and every piece of dirty laundry was put into a large, closed, and impermeable chest.

“H-huh?” The man had woken up, apparently the absence of bad air was enough of a change to upset his subconsciousness.

“Good afternoon, Santa.” Asthma said drily.

“Guh... I need a drink.” The man groggily reached out for a bottle lying next to him. When he poured the first drops of liquid into his mouth, however, he instantly spat out and almost dropped it.

“Whhhh... water?”

“I was going to tell you that Christmas is coming back and that you need to stop drinking. Now I'm not so sure about that anymore, but you still should stop drinking.”

“Did... d-did you? No.... all of it?” He desperately reached for another bottle, and this time he really dropped it when he examined its contents. It fell to the floor and broke. “No...”

“Why, Santa? What made you turn into this?”

Now the man turned around and angrily glared at Asthma. “What made me turn into this? Do you have any idea what your stupid celebration has meant for me? Everyone only knew me as the man who brings... mp... presents. Everyone! I had to bring presents to every little fucker in this stupid... worthless... smelly... argh! If I had gone to middle earth instead, at least I would only be responsible for all residents of one area.

“But what do you know? I actually did it. For years, I did my job, working more than every last worthless creature in this stupid land. And then you leave, and what? No more Christmas. I'm out of work. Unemployed. But do you think people still respected me? As if. Ungrateful bastards. All the little kids care about are presents. I never received a thank you in eons. God, I hate kids. And it's all because of you.”

Asthma was staring back unimpressed. “Lying is a sin, Santa. You can't lie to me. I know you received recognition for what you have done. And you can't complain about being unemployed when ninety percent of the population is. At least you had a purpose when you had work. A good purpose.”

He sighed and turned around. “Don't try to get drunk again. And once you're sober, come find me. We'll have a real talk.”

He was about to leave the cage, when he was hit over the head by a large bottle, full of the cleanest water that had come near Santa for years. What did it help that he was the most powerful being alive? What did it help that he could have killed any resident of this world in the blink of an eye, if only he wanted? What did it help that he could have made himself invulnerable if he had only seen the hit coming?

Nothing.

“Fuck you, Asthma.” Santa spat at the unconscious tomcat. “I know you'll probably come back, as you have before. I know I can't kill you for good. And I know you can do everything with me once you do come back. But I don't care. You probably won't even punish me, what with your stupid ideas about forgiveness and redemption.”

He took an even larger bottle, and threw it at Asthma's head with all of his might.

[silverspawn]

2.71828..... has been killed in the night. He was Asthma, a Vanilla Townie

Day 2 starts!

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.1

Not Voting (7): Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, Teproc, Hydrad, CalignoBot, Jimmmmm, Pit

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 17. Feb, 4 PM Forum time.

[Hydrad]

And were back.

[A Drowned Kernel]

They didn't go after the IC, interesting. They also killed off-wagon, which leads to me think scum's probably on. That's a pretty small pool, so howzabout vote: awaclus

[Awaclus]

They didn't go after the IC, interesting. They also killed off-wagon, which leads to me think scum's probably on. That's a pretty small pool, so howzabout vote: awaclus

I don't really like that vote. I like vote: ADK a lot more.

[Jimmmmm]

They didn't go after the IC, interesting. They also killed off-wagon, which leads to me think scum's probably on. That's a pretty small pool, so howzabout vote: awaclus

I don't really like that vote. I like vote: ADK a lot more.

I agree. Wagon assumptions are much more useful for scum trying to manipulate Town than for Town. Vote: ADK.

[Teproc]

That's a very intriguing NK. I don't have time right now, but I think people should reread 2.7, because at first glance I'm not sure I get this kill.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.2

Awaclus (1):  A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (2): Awaclus, Jimmmmm

Not Voting (4): Teproc, Hydrad, CalignoBot, Pit

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 17. Feb, 4 PM Forum time.

[A Drowned Kernel]

They didn't go after the IC, interesting. They also killed off-wagon, which leads to me think scum's probably on. That's a pretty small pool, so howzabout vote: awaclus

I don't really like that vote. I like vote: ADK a lot more.

I agree. Wagon assumptions are much more useful for scum trying to manipulate Town than for Town. Vote: ADK.

How so?

[Awaclus]

I re-read e, basically he found everyone on the Archetype wagon scummy (ADK the most, Pit the least), and that's it. And Jimmmmmm at the end because he wasn't voting, but it's hard to say how scummy he found himmmmm.

I'm not sure if it would be a good idea for scum!ADK to kill e in this situation though. Actually I think it's pretty stupid for scum!anyone to kill e, pretty much, unless they're Teproc and Jimmmmmm, but maybe they're going for the WIFOM. I find Teproc towny anyway and Jimmmmm hasn't been very scummy either.

[Hydrad]

Ok everyone lets slow down here I think things are moving to fast right now. 

So e found  pretty much everyone but teproc scummy hmmm.

I'm wondering if it's as easy as adk was scared of him?

I think I still like vote: adk I think this is L-1 already.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Ok everyone lets slow down here I think things are moving to fast right now. 

So e found  pretty much everyone but teproc scummy hmmm.

I'm wondering if it's as easy as adk was scared of him?

I think I still like vote: adk I think this is L-1 already.

You're making a mistake. Or you're scum. I still need to do a reread here, so if anyone's feeling like hammering they should at least warn me.

[Hydrad]

Ya I also am against a hammer right now.

[Awaclus]

Ok everyone lets slow down here I think things are moving to fast right now. 

So e found  pretty much everyone but teproc scummy hmmm.

I'm wondering if it's as easy as adk was scared of him?

I think I still like vote: adk I think this is L-1 already.

Let's slow down and put people to L-1!

[Hydrad]

Ok everyone lets slow down here I think things are moving to fast right now. 

So e found  pretty much everyone but teproc scummy hmmm.

I'm wondering if it's as easy as adk was scared of him?

I think I still like vote: adk I think this is L-1 already.

Let's slow down and put people to L-1!

It's the perfect plan. I was actually debating not voting for a moment though as L-1 this early felt scary.

[Teproc]

protect: ADK

I haven't had time to reread yet, might as well make sure there's no quickhammer.

At first glance, ADK seems way too easy, it seems like it's exactly what the NK was aiming to do.

[CalignoBot]

Can someone outline why we're voting ADK for me, please? I'm not really seeing it right now and seeing a wagon pop up to L-1 so quickly is making me nervous.

[xxpittip]

Sorry for not posting the last few days, had some important real life stuff to do (and i will still have little time for the next 4 days :/ )...
I don't like this fast ADK wagon. His post was kinda scummy but definitely not instant-L-1-scummy.

Vote: Hydrad
His vote seems odd and he tries so hard to look like a friendly town guy.

[Jimmmmm]

Ok everyone lets slow down here I think things are moving to fast right now. 

So e found  pretty much everyone but teproc scummy hmmm.

I'm wondering if it's as easy as adk was scared of him?

I think I still like vote: adk I think this is L-1 already.

The top and bottom lines here seem to contradict each other.

[Teproc]

Ok, just reread e.

Basically he was thinking mostly along the same lines as e. It seems to me that the player who stands to benefit the most from e's death is more pit than ADK. As scum, I want to kill people who I think will suspect me later, not the ones who already do : and I think this was the case for e and pit. e said pit was scummy but refrained from voting for him simply because he knew pit had been mislynched on day 1 before, which sounds like the kind of argument that doesn't matter much on day 2.

Scum killing off-wagon does make Jimmm look better to me as well. Hydrad looks townie to me, I don't think he's that clumsy (see just above) as scum.

That leaves Awaclus, pit and ADK.

Hm. Maybe ADK's not so bad after all. I'm going to go with pit though, on the strength of this

Vote: Archetype
That's L-1 I think Archtype is the best lynch atm. He seems relatively scummy and if he turns out to be town we still get good information for day2.

By far the scummiest vote on the Arch wagon.

vote: pit

I'll also remove protection from ADK, he's a fine lynch.

protect: CalignoBot instead, because why not.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.3

Awaclus (1):  A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Awaclus, Jimmmmm, Hydrad {L-1}
Hydrad (1): Pit
Pit (1): Teproc

Not Voting (1): CalignoBot

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 17. Feb, 4 PM Forum time.

[Jimmmmm]

Unvote

[A Drowned Kernel]

Unvote

vote: Jim

[Hydrad]

Unvote

vote: Jim

Interesting. He unvotes you so that makes you think hes scummy?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Unvote

vote: Jim

Interesting. He unvotes you so that makes you think hes scummy?

He's basically admitting that his vote on me was insincere. So yes.

[Jimmmmm]

Unvote

vote: Jim

Interesting. He unvotes you so that makes you think hes scummy?

He's basically admitting that his vote on me was insincere. So yes.

You're basically admitting that you're scum.

[Teproc]

Jimmmm, why did you unvote ?

[Jimmmmm]

He was on L-1 and I decided not to be a part of an early-Day lynch without actually giving him a proper re-read.

[A Drowned Kernel]

He was on L-1 and I decided not to be a part of an early-Day lynch without actually giving him a proper re-read.

What's wrong with an early day lynch? Afraid of attracting suspicion when I flip town?

[Awaclus]

Voting Jimmmm makes me think ADK is towny, even though I don't necessarily agree with finding Jimmmmmm scummy. Teproc's point on Pit makes sense, so I'll vote: Pit.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Speaking of which, request prod on pit

[silverspawn]

Prod sent.

[CalignoBot]

Unvote

vote: Jim

Interesting. He unvotes you so that makes you think hes scummy?

He's basically admitting that his vote on me was insincere. So yes.

You're basically admitting that you're scum.

He was on L-1 and I decided not to be a part of an early-Day lynch without actually giving him a proper re-read.

This feels incredibly fake.

Vote: Jimmmmm

[Teproc]

I disagree.

Jimmmm was once ... berated for leaving a very early vote on a lynch that eventually went through (Dune Mafia on these boards, if you care to look at it).

He also happens to be right, if he hasn't reread yet, better not to vote.

I disagree that ADK's Jimmmm vote was townie, he's sounding more and more like desperate scum to me, might switch actually.

[xxpittip]

Prod sent.

Sorry, shouldn't have started a mafia game with multiple exams coming...
I agree that ADK seems scummy, but i thought he was scum in every game i've played so far and i was always wrong... I still think Hydrad is the scummiest right now.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I disagree.

Jimmmm was once ... berated for leaving a very early vote on a lynch that eventually went through (Dune Mafia on these boards, if you care to look at it).

He also happens to be right, if he hasn't reread yet, better not to vote.

I disagree that ADK's Jimmmm vote was townie, he's sounding more and more like desperate scum to me, might switch actually.

At this point in the game, people shouldn't be making votes that they aren't serious about. Jim's vote wasn't an "early vote", he voted for off the bat on day two and in his next post unvotes me when I'm at L-1. To me that looks like scum panicking over a lynch going too fast.

[Jimmmmm]

I disagree.

Jimmmm was once ... berated for leaving a very early vote on a lynch that eventually went through (Dune Mafia on these boards, if you care to look at it).

He also happens to be right, if he hasn't reread yet, better not to vote.

I disagree that ADK's Jimmmm vote was townie, he's sounding more and more like desperate scum to me, might switch actually.

At this point in the game, people shouldn't be making votes that they aren't serious about. Jim's vote wasn't an "early vote", he voted for off the bat on day two and in his next post unvotes me when I'm at L-1. To me that looks like scum panicking over a lynch going too fast.

That's quite misleading given that I posted acknowledging the L-1 over an hour before I unvoted.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I disagree.

Jimmmm was once ... berated for leaving a very early vote on a lynch that eventually went through (Dune Mafia on these boards, if you care to look at it).

He also happens to be right, if he hasn't reread yet, better not to vote.

I disagree that ADK's Jimmmm vote was townie, he's sounding more and more like desperate scum to me, might switch actually.

At this point in the game, people shouldn't be making votes that they aren't serious about. Jim's vote wasn't an "early vote", he voted for off the bat on day two and in his next post unvotes me when I'm at L-1. To me that looks like scum panicking over a lynch going too fast.

That's quite misleading given that I posted acknowledging the L-1 over an hour before I unvoted.

You're correct, I did miss that.

[A Drowned Kernel]

But your unvote was after Teproc took his protection off, so that's when I was "really" at L-1.

[Jimmmmm]

But your unvote was after Teproc took his protection off, so that's when I was "really" at L-1.

Well that's true too.

[Hydrad]

I disagree.

Jimmmm was once ... berated for leaving a very early vote on a lynch that eventually went through (Dune Mafia on these boards, if you care to look at it).

He also happens to be right, if he hasn't reread yet, better not to vote.

I disagree that ADK's Jimmmm vote was townie, he's sounding more and more like desperate scum to me, might switch actually.

At this point in the game, people shouldn't be making votes that they aren't serious about. Jim's vote wasn't an "early vote", he voted for off the bat on day two and in his next post unvotes me when I'm at L-1. To me that looks like scum panicking over a lynch going too fast.

The one thing I don't get is what do you mean with scum panicking over a lynch?

If Jimmm is scum and your town wouldn't he be happy if you get lynched quickly?

If Jimmm is scum and your scum then that means hes afraid of lynching you?

Jimmm is town and unvotes. because he wants to think more? This one makes a bit more sense to me unless I'm missing something or unless you are a scum team.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Jimmmm is scum and is voting for me and knows I will flip town. When it looks like I might get lynched super quick, he thinks he might look scummy for being on my wagon, so he unvotes.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmm is scum and is voting for me and knows I will flip town. When it looks like I might get lynched super quick, he thinks he might look scummy for being on my wagon, so he unvotes.

If I was scum I think I'd be more afraid of looking scummy for voting then unvoting early in the Day.

[Teproc]

Just reread ADK thinking I might hammer because of how terrible his case against Jimmm is, but I'm not seeing it.

I actually think his NK analysis post is townie. People always get pressure from doing these, I don't think there's tremendous upside for scum!ADK to do it. Especially because it's a weird NK, so scum doesn't really need to push something, they just need town o look at that NK and be confused.

Like, his conclusion is that scum is on-wagon, which includes him. So what, scum!ADK is partners with someone off-wagon and is killing off-wagon to make people suspect everyone on-wagon ? How does that make sense ?

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.4

A Drowned Kernel (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Pit
Pit (2): Teproc, Awaclus
Jimmmmm (2): A Drowned Kernel, CalignoBot

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 17. Feb, 4 PM Forum time.

[Hydrad]

I'm trying to think on how we can keep this game moving. The stalls are getting more and more frequent.

[Teproc]

Yeah, I completely forgot this game even existed... I still like my pit vote tough.

Jimmmm, you're not voting, any opinion on... anything ?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Deadlines not that far away, is it. I only vaguely remember this game but right now I like my jimmmm vote. I could vote for awaclus. I wouldn't vote for teproc.

[Jimmmmm]

We've got a couple of days. I'll re-read ADK tomorrow hopefully.

[Teproc]

We've got a couple of days. I'll re-read ADK tomorrow hopefully.

I know we do, but we don't have to go to deadline you know.

[Awaclus]

Yeah, I don't think ADK is scum. I didn't find him scummy D1, and I'm still not really finding him scummy.

Actually I just realized that the only people who I don't find towny are Pit and Hydrad. Jimmmmm is a weak town read so I guess he could be scum too, but basically, if we lynch Pit now, Hydrad tomorrow and Jimmmm after that, that should be the game unless I'm getting myself totally fooled by Teproc again or something.

[xxpittip]

Yeah, I don't think ADK is scum. I didn't find him scummy D1, and I'm still not really finding him scummy.

Actually I just realized that the only people who I don't find towny are Pit and Hydrad. Jimmmmm is a weak town read so I guess he could be scum too, but basically, if we lynch Pit now, Hydrad tomorrow and Jimmmm after that, that should be the game unless I'm getting myself totally fooled by Teproc again or something.

Or we could skip lynching another town and instead vote Hydrad today.

[Awaclus]

Yeah, I don't think ADK is scum. I didn't find him scummy D1, and I'm still not really finding him scummy.

Actually I just realized that the only people who I don't find towny are Pit and Hydrad. Jimmmmm is a weak town read so I guess he could be scum too, but basically, if we lynch Pit now, Hydrad tomorrow and Jimmmm after that, that should be the game unless I'm getting myself totally fooled by Teproc again or something.

Or we could skip lynching another town and instead vote Hydrad today.

So your partner is Jimmmmm after all?

[xxpittip]

Yeah, I don't think ADK is scum. I didn't find him scummy D1, and I'm still not really finding him scummy.

Actually I just realized that the only people who I don't find towny are Pit and Hydrad. Jimmmmm is a weak town read so I guess he could be scum too, but basically, if we lynch Pit now, Hydrad tomorrow and Jimmmm after that, that should be the game unless I'm getting myself totally fooled by Teproc again or something.

Or we could skip lynching another town and instead vote Hydrad today.

So your partner is Jimmmmm after all?

No, it's Hydrad and he has a PR. If he survives Day2 we will instantly win the game, so it might be a wise decision to lynch him now.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Yeah, I don't think ADK is scum. I didn't find him scummy D1, and I'm still not really finding him scummy.

Actually I just realized that the only people who I don't find towny are Pit and Hydrad. Jimmmmm is a weak town read so I guess he could be scum too, but basically, if we lynch Pit now, Hydrad tomorrow and Jimmmm after that, that should be the game unless I'm getting myself totally fooled by Teproc again or something.

Or we could skip lynching another town and instead vote Hydrad today.

So your partner is Jimmmmm after all?

No, it's Hydrad and he has a PR. If he survives Day2 we will instantly win the game, so it might be a wise decision to lynch him now.

vote: pit

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.5

A Drowned Kernel (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Pit
Pit (3): Teproc, Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel {L-1}
Jimmmmm (1): CalignoBot

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 17. Feb, 4 PM Forum time.

[Teproc]

This game exists. Someone please hammer pit so we can move on, because this is ridiculous.

[Awaclus]

This game exists. Someone please hammer pit so we can move on, because this is ridiculous.

I would if I could.

[Teproc]

Just in case : I could lynch Jimmm as well. Getting serious Legend of Zelda flashbacks, town!Jimmmm cares more than this.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would switch back to jimmmmm, but I really don't like pit's post up there.

[Awaclus]

I could lynch Jimmmmm too, but I would very much prefer Pit.

[Jimmmmm]

Vote: pit

Yep, self-preservation is a large factor. Pit does seem fairly scummy from a quick re-read though.

[silverspawn]

Thread locked!

[silverspawn]

Santa hadn't slept well. A combination of grief, sorrow, and regret had kept him awake for hours. When slumber had found him at last, the night had been without both dreams or recovery.

Now he was awake, and his exhausted gaze wandered over the dull, plain white surface of his ceiling. Stifling a groan, he turned around once more, but when his eyes wandered over one of the many shelves full of bottles that occupied the walls of the place, his mind was suddenly assaulted with an image of times long gone.

There used to be a pile of presents there. It would raise his mood every time he looked at it, even though he mostly associated it with work.

Santa shook his head, and looked away at the opposite end of the room.

But it didn't help. Nothing used to be here, just a nice, clean wall. He didn't use to spend that much time in his home, anyway, did he? Most of the time, he was outside.

“No.” Santa shook his head. This was not him. He was not one to dwell on the past. He tried closing his eyes, but the absence of light only highlighted other things.

The smell was different. It had not smelled this clean at this place for years. And it reminded him of happier times...

“This... is you Asthma, isn't it?" Santa groaned, wheezed, and sputtered. "You're doing this. You just can't... can't leave me alone, can you? Curse you...”

Rolling around, he fell out of his bed, and he hurt his head when he hit the floor. Lacking any orientation, he crawled towards where he thought the exit to be, and for a brief moment, he was convinced to see the frame of a tomcat standing there...

Then everything around him disappeared.

[silverspawn]

He was five, and his mother had brought him a colorful package. “This is a special day,” she said. "Someone very important has returned to Blarnia today. And it is his birthday."

He was nine, and the big moment was just one day away. But he couldn't wait. With a beating heart, he sneaked into his parents room, careful not to wake them up, to see what he would receive today. But then he stopped. What if they wouldn't buy him presents anymore if he stole them early? Gulping, his hand already around the handle, he pulled back and silently went back to bad. No-one ever needed to know.

He was twelve, and his friend looked at him with wide eyes. He didn't understand. He had thought everyone would get presents. Was it just him? How could other parents be so cold hearted?

He was nineteen, and he was weeping silently into soft fur. He said he couldn't bring them back, but he could give him a purpose. Something to live for. Would it be enough to get over the pain?

He was twenty-six, and he was brushing a tear off his cheek. It seemed as though what you received truly was a mirror of what you were giving to the world, and every single word from the letters he was holding found its way into his heart.

He was thirty-eight, and a ten year old younger self was staring back at him in the mirror. There was no denying anymore. 'And you will eternally bring happiness to others'. Jesus...

He was fifty-nine, and he watched with bitterness outside his window at the eternally falling snow. These days, it was hard to notice the passing of time. Everything seemed to melt together, as if his life reflected the weather.

He was sixty-two, and everything felt the same. There was no progress. There was no purpose. Winter used to be the bloom of the year, now it was just a trap. So much used to be different.

He was much older... but he didn't... mmhhhff... wasn't importanthow much, wasit? Nothing... it didn't m... was... all more of thesame... didn't... didn't matter...

All the same.

And then he awoke in his bed, bathed in sweat and with the feeling of Melancholy burning every inch of his body. But he was unharmed. And now he knew the final words he had spoken to his nemesis to be the truth.

A few miles west, in an entirely unrelated string of events, The Squirrel which is dressed as a Bird and also drunk jumped off a cliff.

“Look at me, I can flyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy..............

SQUASH!!!

[silverspawn]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

A Drowned Kernel (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Pit
Pit (4): Teproc, Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (1): CalignoBot

With 7 alive it took 4 to lynch.

[silverspawn]

Pit has been lynched. He was The Squirrel which is dressed as a Bird, a Vanilla Townie.

Day 3 will start at February 18, 10pm Forum Time.

[silverspawn]

After the incident, no-one had remembered to free Pete from his bonds (and they may or may not have let him there anyway). And so, unnoticed by everyone, he slowly died of thirst...

A Drowned Kernel has died in the night. He was Pete, a Vanilla Townie.

Day 3 starts!

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, CalignoBot, Hydrad, Jimmmmm, Teproc

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 will end at  February 28, 3pm Forum Time

[Hydrad]

aaaaand were back.

[Jimmmmm]

I think I/we are in trouble. Nice that CB has survived this long though.

[Awaclus]

Huh, maybe I should stop finding Pit scummy every time.

Anyway, I still don't think Teproc is scum, so I'm fine with a Hydrad lynch or a Jimmmmm lynch.

[Teproc]

I decidedly don't get scum's NKs this game...

That's fine by me though, 2/3 chance of lynching scum is pretty awesome. I'll have to do a full reread though.

[Hydrad]

noooo its stalling again!

Uh I think Awa/Jimmm is scummiest. I'm feeling pretty good about teproc.

[Teproc]

I should get the time to reread this sometimes this week-end.

But please, don't wait for me to talk. Just don't do anything stupid.

protect: CalignoBot and while I'm at it, request a prod on CalignoBot

[silverspawn]

prod sent.

[Jimmmmm]

Was away for the weekend, although looks like I didn't miss much. I'll also be pretty busy for the next 2-3 days.

[CalignoBot]

I'm here. This is what happens when I leave a tab open to the abyss.

I'll read up shortly.

[CalignoBot]

First note offhand: ADK kill is completely counter-productive if Teproc is scum. I'm aware it could be to give him towncred, but that's very unlikely when he was under so much fire already.

Plus he's the only other power role we know of, and I can't see innocent child being the only town power role in 9p. There's not enough impact there for it to work.

[CalignoBot]

Hydrad was starting to be against his ADK-scumread around the end of day 1 and went full force on it when day 2 began. This feels fabricated.

I'll most likely be voting Hydrad today, I'm just not sure who the partner is quite yet.

[Hydrad]

Oh. Calignobot... You should go back to lurking

[Awaclus]

I'll vote Jimmmmmm if there's a wagon on himmmmmm, but otherwise I'd rather lynch Hydrad today. They're probably both scum, but I feel a little bit better about a Hydrad lynch today.

[Awaclus]

I just re-read the relevant people and I really just don't think Teproc is scum here. This might be a mistake, but it's got to be right.

Vote: Hydrad

[Hydrad]

Hmmm this is bad.

If this keeps up at this pace we are going to lose so I'm think I'm going to go for it. Hopefully this will also start some discussion.

Challange: Awaclus

[Hydrad]

Also

Vote: Awaclus

[silverspawn]

The Fat Witch was busy eating, when suddenly the door to her palace opened. But wait, actually this is the first time she appeared for some reason, so some exposition is in order.

The Fat Witch was, as her name implies, fat. But that word alone could never describe the enormous, vast, gigantic, monstrous amounts of flesh that clung to her body. She spent the better part of her life eating, and even prided herself with the fact that she kept a strict diet of 100,000 calories per day. A doctor had once told her that this wasn't very healthy, but she had solved the problem by eating him right at the spot. She was also the reason why Blarnia was covered in snow; she had changed the weather so that she wouldn't sweat as much.

Now, most people would not find this woman attractive, she looked more like a gigantic piece of mayonnaise than anything human, but Ed liked her – or, at least, used to like her. But he did read the book, and sexual disappointments often have devastating effects on young teenagers.

“Who are you?” The fat witch barked, visibly aggravated that someone would disturb her while she was eating.

“I am Ed,” said Ed, “and your palace guards suck. Anyway, you might not know me because your many chins don't allow you to read, but I am your doom. And now, with the power granted to me by the almighty lector, I will force you to fight me until one of us is defeated."

The Fat Witch blinked, but then she just shrugged and picked up her massive fork.

“Sure, it's just about time for a dessert.” She checked that the batteries in her wand were fully charged, then she fluttered it slightly to make her throne levitate towards Ed. “I just need to get my salt shaker...”

Awaclus has been challenged. All votes are reset. Players may only vote for Awaclus, Hydrad, or a No-Lynch until the day ends.

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 3.G.1

Awaclus (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (0):
No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (4): Awaclus, CalignoBot, Jimmmmm, Teproc

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 will end at  February 28, 3pm Forum Time

[Jimmmmm]

Hmm. So assuming that there are 2 scum we can assume it's not Teproc and me since if it is Town has already lost (absent any Night shenanigans). So we either have Town challenged scum, scum challenged Town or scum challenged scum. At first glance, the Awaclus/Hydrad exchange does seem a little contrived.

Of course, this just sounds like me trying to stay alive Tomorrow in case my scumbuddy is lynched Today.

[Teproc]

I don't buy that town!Hydrad had this role and never claimed it until now.

I have no idea what this means for Awaclus and Jimmm, but I definitely want to lynch Hydrad.

I still hope to do a full reread at some point though. I'm sorry if this causes the game to stall more than it already has, but that's life.

[Hydrad]

I don't buy that town!Hydrad had this role and never claimed it until now.

I have no idea what this means for Awaclus and Jimmm, but I definitely want to lynch Hydrad.

I still hope to do a full reread at some point though. I'm sorry if this causes the game to stall more than it already has, but that's life.

Sorry I had no idea what to do with the role. If I'm wrong and hit town we pretty much lose.

[Teproc]

I don't buy that town!Hydrad had this role and never claimed it until now.

I have no idea what this means for Awaclus and Jimmm, but I definitely want to lynch Hydrad.

I still hope to do a full reread at some point though. I'm sorry if this causes the game to stall more than it already has, but that's life.

Sorry I had no idea what to do with the role. If I'm wrong and hit town we pretty much lose.

Well if you're town you have 100% hit scum with Awaclus, I can tell you that.

But I seriously doubt that's the case.

[Awaclus]

Well I'm obviously not going to vote myself, vote: Hydrad.

[Jimmmmm]

Well if you're town you have 100% hit scum with Awaclus, I can tell you that.

Why?

[Hydrad]

Well if you're town you have 100% hit scum with Awaclus, I can tell you that.

Why?

Well if teprocs town then ya its you/Awaclus

[Jimmmmm]

Well if you're town you have 100% hit scum with Awaclus, I can tell you that.

Why?

Well if teprocs town then ya its you/Awaclus

Yes, I'm aware that if any two non-ICs are Town then the other two are scum, and I'm also aware that each player will say that they are Town.

[CalignoBot]

I just re-read the relevant people and I really just don't think Teproc is scum here. This might be a mistake, but it's got to be right.

Vote: Hydrad

Does Awaclus usually lack this much confidence?

[Awaclus]

I just re-read the relevant people and I really just don't think Teproc is scum here. This might be a mistake, but it's got to be right.

Vote: Hydrad

Does Awaclus usually lack this much confidence?

Not always, but I've lost all of my previous town games at LyLo.

[silverspawn]

A reminder to everyone that the deadline is in less than 36 hours.

[CalignoBot]

Vote: Hydrad

I looked at that Awaclus post again and I think he towntelled. If this ends up wrong, then I guess I really am not cut out for offsite games.

[Teproc]

Ok, just reread. I'm fairly convinced it's Hydrad/Awaclus, I had forgotten how adversarial Jimmmm had been this game, which I'm pretty sure is a town!Jimmm trait.

Out of the two, I feel more confident about Awaclus based on play, but Hydrad's claim is extremely suspicious and, well, this day/game has dragged for long enough.

vote: Hydrad

[silverspawn]

Thread locked!

[silverspawn]

Final Vote Count Day 3

Awaclus (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (3): Awaclus, CalignoBot, Teproc
No-Lynch (0):

Not Voting (1): Jimmmmm

With 5 alive it took 3 to lynch.

[silverspawn]

"Alright..." The fat witch scattered some salt on Ed's head, then she picked him up using her massive fork. Ed barely had time to register what was happening before one of the prongs sliced through his heart.

Having him halfway to her mouth, an alarming thought suddenly occurred to her. What if Ed turned out to taste really good? Once, her servant had brought her a squirrel and it had been juicy enough to instantly cause an addiction, only for the supply of local squirrels to dwindle rapidly (the remaining squirrels had since then started to dress as birds). Her mouth was quicker than her head, however, so that when she finished this throught process, she found that she had already swallowed half of Ed's body. And, really, he didn't taste all of that special.

[silverspawn]

Hydrad has been lynched. He was Ed, a Mafia Gladiator.

Day 4 will start at March 1, 4 pm Forum time.

[silverspawn]

Sue was dead.

Pete was dead.

And even though Loo couldn't tell how, she knew Ed had died too.

Why? How could life be so cruel to leave her alive, but take out her siblings, one by one? She should have died. She had always wanted to be dead; now not only had she not gotten her wish, but all of her siblings were gone. It was the worst thing that could have happened.

At least, that's what she tried to convince herself of. Deep down in her heart, she had long realized that she did not wish for the end anymore. Not since he had met Asthma.

Asthma. Who was now dead too. Asthma, who was standing only a few feet away from her in the snow.

“How much longer do you want to stay with her? It won't make her come back.”

Loo was still kneeling beside her sister's dead body. It wasn't even so much for her sake, she just had nowhere to go.

“You died,” Loo just said.

“Many times, indeed. The first time is over two thousand years ago.” Loo felt an invisible force, pushing her away from Sue, and she was too tired to fight it. “But I don't need to wait years to come back if I don't want to. Poor Santa.”

Loo didn't answer. It didn't matter.

“Loo... If this is over, I can bring her back to life.”

Loo looked up. “You can do that? Why don't you do it now?”

“I cannot. And if we lose, I'm afraid I too will be truly gone. I might be powerful, but even I am not able to bend the rules of this game.”

“So...” Loo's gaze wandered over her sister one last time, then she stood up, now with renewed purpose. “We need to win.”

“Yes.”

Loo shuddered. At last, she would not only preserve the life she had, but fight for survival with all of her might.

“I might not understand the nature of this game more than you,” Asthma said, “but I sense sorrow between you and your siblings. Tell me why.”

A quiet sigh escaped Loo's lips upon hearing that. “I'm easily hurt. And they were never... considerate of my feelings."

Asthma nodded. “People can be rude. I would know.”

The next few minutes passed in silence.

“Asthma?”

“Yes?”

“You aren't really here, are you?”

Asthma gave her a forced smile. “Okay, maybe I do need a little longer to fully come back. What gave me away?”

“You don't leave hoofprints.”

“Right.”

Loo sighed. “Can you do me favor before you leave?”

“Probably.”

Loo looked at her feet, and forced herself not to back down now.

“Kill Santa. I think he might be the one.”

Asthma gave her a long look. “You know I don't like to kill anyone.”

“I know.”

Asthma closed his eyes, but nodded.

“It's done.”

Loo shivered.

“And it's not over?” she whispered.

“No,” Asthma said.

Then he disappeared.

[silverspawn]

Teproc has died in the Night. He was Santa Claus, a Town Protector.

Day 4 starts!

[silverspawn]

Vote Count 4.1

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, CalignoBot, Jimmmmm

With 3 alive it takes 2 to lynch. Day 4 will end at March 11, 4pm Forum Time.

[Awaclus]

 

Vote: Jimmmmm

[Jimmmmm]

Ai ai ai, sorry CB.

Vote: Awaclus

[CalignoBot]

I'm going to read up with the flip in mind tomorrow; bit late for me today and I only work a half-shift in the morning.

[CalignoBot]

I reread everything and everything points this direction.

If it was Awaclus, then you two deserve applause for that ballsy gambit.

Vote: Jimmmmm

[CalignoBot]

And a preemptive apology for running out of steam early into D1 and being a nonentity ever since. I thought it would be easier to stay invested into a slow game than the really fast ones I'm accustomed to.

[Jimmmmm]

GG scum. Sorry Town, looks like I didn't end up having more time for this game after all - I guess that should have been expected given I've been moving house etc.

Note to self: No more Mafia until I actually, legitimately have time to play.

[silverspawn]

Thread locked!

[silverspawn]

At first, Loo might have felt hope after Asthma's disappearance, but with every step she took towards the palace, she knew more and more that there was no good end in sight. It was not predetermination; things could have played out differently, just not anymore. And, gradually, she became aware of the true nature of their game, and the sobering truth behind it all.

From the start, neither she nor anyone else had had any control over their destiny. Asthma hadn't known this, and neither had Sue, but their lives had always been measured by how the game played out. All they could do was to change the way it happened.

Well, if the end was inevitable, then there was no point continuing her journey. The witch might win this game, but she wouldn't get hold of her.

With shivering hands, Loo broke a branch off a nearby tree. How strange it was that after countless futile attempts, this would be the one to bring her the end, born not out of desire but hopelessness.

And then, in her last moments, everything changed. She could see through the puppeteer's mind, and she knew that she would come back. Maybe it would take a while... but she wouldn't be gone entirely.

Some day...

[silverspawn]

Final Vote Count

Awaclus (1): Jimmmmm
Jimmmmm (2): Awaclus, CalignoBot

With 3 alive it took 2 to lynch.

[silverspawn]

Jimmmmm has been lynched. He was Loo, a Vanilla Townie.

The Mafia team of Awaclus and Hydrad wins!

[silverspawn]

QT's

Speccy: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/379emVjyz4XH2
Mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/pQYuFahkYPs
Mod: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/te6tSAHEw7WE5
Teproc (Santa Claus): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/AEsisrBAJL2J
e (Asthma): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/L8GTPz6uqfA
Archetype (Sue): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/6AsnDr4FUSM63
ADK (Pete): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/4DWaXD5dmxw7b
CalignoBot (TsPoA): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/3GmJwnKprFf9
Pit (TSwidasB): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/CWKU35vGTR34q
Jimmmmm (Loo): http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/SGZHQiXvyKa3B

[silverspawn]

The Setup

Town: IC, Protector, 5*VT
Protector can protect a player during the day (as claimed by Teproc). The player last targeted is also doctored and protected from the factional kill during the night (it was always on CalignoBot). Can self-target, but loses his power at the start of the following day if he does. Can doublevote once in the game.

Mafia: Goon, Goon
Combined Gladiator as a factional Power, mafia can choose who inherits the power every night)

[CalignoBot]

Interesting setup. I'm a bit wary of all of town's direct power being on one slot, but it wasn't a heavily imbalanced setup by any means.

[silverspawn]

Yeah, both side have actually mentioned their lack of power during the game. In the end the setup just doesn't have a lot of roles, it was supposed to be really simple, not unlike the Matrix Setup we used in fish mafia, which can end up with just one JK or Cop as the only Power Role.

So... I was a little bit disappointed by the low activity in this game (it's probably lower than in any game I played so far). It's no big deal though, just as long as it's not because I did something wrong with the modding.

[Awaclus]

Teproc totally had me fooled. It's a good thing his reads were eventually too good.

[Hydrad]

Yeah, both side have actually mentioned their lack of power during the game. In the end the setup just doesn't have a lot of roles, it was supposed to be really simple, not unlike the Matrix Setup we used in fish mafia, which can end up with just one JK or Cop as the only Power Role.

So... I was a little bit disappointed by the low activity in this game (it's probably lower than in any game I played so far). It's no big deal though, just as long as it's not because I did something wrong with the modding.

I don't think it was anything to do with your modding.

I know me personally I was much more ok with stalling since I was scum so I didn't really fight it to hard.

This was really cool setup and I can't believe we somehow dodged hitting the IC everytime.

[Teproc]

Yeah, it had nothing to do with you silver. It happened to be a pretty busy time for me, but inactivity breeds inactivity too.

Off to read the QTs now.

[Teproc]

That was pretty quick.

A little annoying that my partial claim worked exactly as intended, but mafia never targeted CalignoBot anyway.

I'm curious, silver, what did you think the Protector would do in the setup ? I understand how it plays interestingly with Gladiator, but did you expect what I did or something else ?

[silverspawn]

The original idea was to have skill heavy roles. Rather than the typical "target X at night, hope you hit the right one" thing, mafia gets gladiator, which is heavily skill dependent, and town gets stuff that helps PoE. Protector was me trying to do the same with a unique town role.

Now I needed some sort of NK protection, otherwise IC and Protector just die night one and two. I was considering just adding a doctor, but then I got the idea to add the doctor part to Protector, which seemed much better (and it preserved the "only day actions" thing).

About how to use it, I thought there were a couple of ways. I think what I would have done is, don't claim anything and just write protect: XX as a joke at some point. I also considered claiming fake powers, like claiming to an X-shot mechanic with the doctor thing and then pretend to protect yourself and the IC.

What you did worked perfectly though, scum never suspected anything.

[Awaclus]

Oh and I was lurking because a lot of the time I was fine with how things were in the game, not because of silverspawn.

[silverspawn]

So.. the MVP choice is really tricky here. Currently I'm considering

-> Hydrad (for winning)
-> Awaclus (for winning)
-> Teproc (for protecting the IC every night without suspicion and even playing intentionally scummy to not get NK'd)
-> e (he drew the first night kill because he had Awaclus & Hydrad as his two primary scum reads)

I'm not sure how common it is to have someone from the losing team be the MVP though. Any opinions?

[Teproc]

It's happened once or twice, pretty rare though.

One thing about the slowness of the game, though it certainly isn't unique to this game : 10-day deadlines are too long. I guess I'm in the minority on this since I seem to be the only mod to be using 7 day deadlines (admittedly I'm not following the current ongoing games other than mine so could be wrong), but I really think 7-day deadlines are just better, at least for normal games.

[Archetype]

Nice job scum and cool game silverspawn. Kinda upset that I got eliminated so early. Sorry Teproc for thinking you were scum for, like, the entire game. Your claim was suspicious, though you were probably right in not fullclaiming.

It's happened once or twice, pretty rare though.

One thing about the slowness of the game, though it certainly isn't unique to this game : 10-day deadlines are too long. I guess I'm in the minority on this since I seem to be the only mod to be using 7 day deadlines (admittedly I'm not following the current ongoing games other than mine so could be wrong), but I really think 7-day deadlines are just better, at least for normal games.

I like 7 day deadlines for smaller games and 10 day deadlines for bigger games. I also think it'd be nice to try bankable deadlines again.

[chairs]

I really like this game concept (only day actions).

[2.71828.....]

So.. the MVP choice is really tricky here. Currently I'm considering

-> Hydrad (for winning)
-> Awaclus (for winning)
-> Teproc (for protecting the IC every night without suspicion and even playing intentionally scummy to not get NK'd)
-> e (he drew the first night kill because he had Awaclus & Hydrad as his two primary scum reads)

I'm not sure how common it is to have someone from the losing team be the MVP though. Any opinions?

I think Hydrad for his use of the duel power.  From the start he had the idea to duel Awaclus, and was able to use it effectively on D3 to set up his partner for victory.  reading the scum qt he was the one who really pushed for that move.

[2.71828.....]

I could also Awaclus for the final NK, because it is pretty ballsy to keep the IC alive.  But he read the game (and calignobot) correctly and predicted correctly who calignobot would lynch

[silverspawn]

The problem with the Hydrad thing is that no-one except CalignoBot actually seemed to give Awaclus town cred for Hydrad's duel. Jimmmm and Teproc both hinted that they think Awaclus is scum.

[Hydrad]

Awaclus I think did a better job being towny. I don't think I really did that much this game. I kinda sat back and lurked.

[CalignoBot]

I could also Awaclus for the final NK, because it is pretty ballsy to keep the IC alive.  But he read the game (and calignobot) correctly and predicted correctly who calignobot would lynch

+1

I'm significantly worse when I'm confirmed town or widely townread since the quality of my reads increase based on how much I'm being attacked. It would've been really bizarre if anyone knew about this, but the result was too easily abusabe not to go for.

Just keeping me alive after that gambit wasn't a bad idea regardless. The less conversation on the last day, the less chance it would've been caught out.

[silverspawn]

So, despite the above reasons, I decided that Teproc is the MVP, for covering the strength of his role, protecting the IC every night without causing suspicion, staying alive until day 3, and having the most accurate reads (after e) with Awaclus and pit as scum reads day 1 and calling the correct team before he died.

runner-up is Awaclus

[Teproc]

Thanks ! First regular town MVP, wooo !