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[ashersky]

Welcome to ZM22: Shakespeare (Sorta) Blitz, by ashersky.

This game is for 8-players, and is classified as INVENTED/OPEN (blitz).  It was designed by ashersky.

Sign ups are open.

1. faust
2. Witherweaver
3. Awaclus
4. Hydrad
5. gkrieg13 - The Compulsively Vengeful Innocent Child
6. Roadrunner7671
7. EgorK
8. 2.7

Game State Tracker:

Day 1 Start | Day 1 End
Day 2 Start | Day 2 End
Day 3 Start | Day 3 End

The Rules (Sorta BLITZ CHANGES IN RED BECAUSE RED IS FASTER):

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 8 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 12 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may not vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive.  With 6 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched.  Ties are broken by coin flip.  With 5 or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. There are no prods.  Players are subject to modkill after missing one game day.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last 120 IRL hours.
2. Nights will last no more than 8 IRL hours.

[ashersky]

The Set-Up:

This game is an open version of Shakespeare Mafia 2: Othello.

The game is for eight players, and consists of:

1-Shot Bulletproof Even-Night Mafia Goon
--BP stops the first WW kill only
--has a night kill on even nights
--wins when the mafia control half the town at daybreak, or nothing can stop that from happening

1-Shot Bulletproof Odd-Night Werewolf Goon
--BP stops the first mafia kill only
--has a night kill on odd nights
--wins when the werewolves control half the town at nightfall, or nothing can stop that from happening

Compulsively Vengeful Innocent Child
--mod-confirmed town at the start of the game
--must vengekill someone if he is nightkilled

5 Vanilla Townies

Days last 48 hours, nights are as short as possible, but no longer than 8 hours (dependent on mod availability).

[Awaclus]

How am I supposed to post every 2 hours for 48 hours? That's a pretty long time to stay awake.

[ashersky]

How am I supposed to post every 2 hours for 48 hours? That's a pretty long time to stay awake.

Whoops.  Should be 12.

[faust]

How am I supposed to post every 2 hours for 48 hours? That's a pretty long time to stay awake.

Hey, you can sleep in between! Or better even, write a bot that every two hours quotes the latest post and votes for the person who posted it, and when you are being voted for, delivers prescripted messages about how your actions fit a town narrative.

On another note, /in.

Finally my first blitz game. I can't believe it took that long. I mean, I'm from Germany, blitz should be my favorite.

[Witherweaver]

/in

[Witherweaver]

--BP stops the first WW kill only

I'm okay with this.

Wait, does that mean first kill from me or first kill targeting me?

[ashersky]

--BP stops the first WW kill only

I'm okay with this.

Wait, does that mean first kill from me or first kill targeting me?

Ha. Ha.  Witherweaver has been modkilled for a bad joke.

[faust]

Question: By the rules, if both the Goon and the Werewolf survive until they are the last players in the game, both of them win. I assume that is intended?

It's interesting because it essentially makes them partners to some extent.

[ashersky]

Question: By the rules, if both the Goon and the Werewolf survive until they are the last players in the game, both of them win. I assume that is intended?

It's interesting because it essentially makes them partners to some extent.

I'm not sure how that's possible.  One wins at daybreak, the other at nightfall.

If a nightkill leads to only the two of them alive, mafia wins.  If a lynch leads to only the two of them alive, werewolf wins.

[Archetype]

/tag

I really like the premise, but aren't the WW's at an advantage over Mafia here since they get to shoot first?

[ashersky]

/tag

I really like the premise, but aren't the WW's at an advantage over Mafia here since they get to shoot first?

I balanced that with the divergent wincons.  WW can't win on the NK.

[faust]

Question: By the rules, if both the Goon and the Werewolf survive until they are the last players in the game, both of them win. I assume that is intended?

It's interesting because it essentially makes them partners to some extent.

I'm not sure how that's possible.  One wins at daybreak, the other at nightfall.

If a nightkill leads to only the two of them alive, mafia wins.  If a lynch leads to only the two of them alive, werewolf wins.

Ah, I didn't catch the timing difference. That has some interesting implications.

[pacovf]

The timing difference only matters in the case where both mafia and ww are the last survivors. Assuming all night kills go through and there's a lynch everyday, and that both ww and mafia survive until the end, the game would then end after D3's lynch, so the werewolf would win. If one kill/lynch doesn't go through, mafia wins, if two don't go through, ww wins again, etc.

[faust]

The timing difference only matters in the case where both mafia and ww are the last survivors. Assuming all night kills go through and there's a lynch everyday, and that both ww and mafia survive until the end, the game would then end after D3's lynch, so the werewolf would win. If one kill/lynch doesn't go through, mafia wins, if two don't go through, ww wins again, etc.

Yes. This makes me wonder whether it would be good play for the mafia to forfeit their first kill.

[faust]

Vengeful IC also factors weirdly into this equation.

[ashersky]

You are all catching great points, which are on purpose.

Why no one else is signing up, I can't say...

[Awaclus]

/in

[silverspawn]

You are all catching great points, which are on purpose.

Why no one else is signing up, I can't say...

only cause it's blitz

[pacovf]

Vengeful IC also factors weirdly into this equation.

Does it? Both ww and mafia have to kill the IC at some point, so it's just an extra town-controlled kill.

Unless... Can ww or mafia win if the only other survivor is the IC?

[faust]

Vengeful IC also factors weirdly into this equation.

Does it? Both ww and mafia have to kill the IC at some point, so it's just an extra town-controlled kill.

Unless... Can ww or mafia win if the only other survivor is the IC?

I'm not sure what the rules are if this situation happens:

WW, Mafia, IC alive. Mafia kills IC. Does the mafia win, or does the IC get to shoot? (The question, phrased differently, is: Does the IC's shot happen at the end of the night, or at the start of the Day?)

[Hydrad]

/in

sure i'll try blitz.

[ashersky]

Vengeful IC also factors weirdly into this equation.

Does it? Both ww and mafia have to kill the IC at some point, so it's just an extra town-controlled kill.

Unless... Can ww or mafia win if the only other survivor is the IC?

I'm not sure what the rules are if this situation happens:

WW, Mafia, IC alive. Mafia kills IC. Does the mafia win, or does the IC get to shoot? (The question, phrased differently, is: Does the IC's shot happen at the end of the night, or at the start of the Day?)

The vengekill happens before night ends, so the IC shoots in that scenario.  50% chance there for each team.

It's probably better to just kill the other scum, depending on if the BP is still there.  Fighting it out at lylo and having the IC be kingmaker might increase your chances, too.

[pacovf]

Can ww or mafia win if the only other survivor is the IC?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I like the setup and I liked Blitz last time I played it, but I don't have time right now.

I'm hypothetically interested, but it really depends on when it starts, that first game day in particular I want to have a bunch of free time.

But I could have enough free time in a couple weeks, depending.  So I am probably better as a sub mid-game.

[ashersky]

Can ww or mafia win if the only other survivor is the IC?

Yes, ww or mafia could win.  If it's lylo with three alive, kingmaker scenario.  If it's three alive going into night, whoever has the kill could kill the other scum or the IC, depending on what he thinks would happen.

[ashersky]

Would this fill/happen if it were not blitz and just normal?

[pacovf]

I could maybe, maybe in, if I knew that this was happening sometime when I am kinda not super busy.

[gkrieg13]

I just don't know my schedule well enough in advance to sign up for blitz.

[ashersky]

Given no one wants to play my game, I'll be canceling this unless it fills in 48 hours.

[faust]

Given no one wants to play my game, I'll be canceling this unless it fills in 48 hours.

:O

I want to play yor game. I'll play all the slots myself if need be.

...that said, I'm completely VLA this weekend, so I cannot play if this start before then.

[ashersky]

Given no one wants to play my game, I'll be canceling this unless it fills in 48 hours.

:O

I want to play yor game. I'll play all the slots myself if need be.

...that said, I'm completely VLA this weekend, so I cannot play if this start before then.

Well, it surely won't start at all, let alone before the weekend.

I can't get 8 players and this has been open since last month.  We've had many games open, fill, and start in the meantime.  Seems like it's this game, or something about it.

[gkrieg13]

I'll /in

PPE. I was hesitant because I had a ton of midterms. But now that those are over I'm not hesitant anymore.

[Witherweaver]

I'll play three spots and Faust can play three spots!

[Roadrunner7671]

/in

This looks fun, but I will go out if someone tells me it's way over my head.

[faust]

/in

This looks fun, but I will go out if someone tells me it's way over my head.

It's not very complex. Main issue is you need some spare time as this is blitz.

[Awaclus]

/in

This looks fun, but I will go out if someone tells me it's way over my head.

I think this setup is pretty simple.

[ashersky]

It'll start Monday if it fills.  Does that work for folks?

[gkrieg13]

It'll start Monday if it fills.  Does that work for folks?

But today is Monday....

Ya that works

[ashersky]

It'll start Monday if it fills.  Does that work for folks?

But today is Monday....

Ya that works

I don't want to start this week and risk blocking out Faust, given the blitz nature of things.

[gkrieg13]

It'll start Monday if it fills.  Does that work for folks?

But today is Monday....

Ya that works

I don't want to start this week and risk blocking out Faust, given the blitz nature of things.

Sorry that was meant to be a joke. Starting any time works for me and weekdays are better for me so I would prefer a Monday start.

[Roadrunner7671]

/in

This looks fun, but I will go out if someone tells me it's way over my head.

It's not very complex. Main issue is you need some spare time as this is blitz.

That's fine, I have tons of time on my hands.

[EgorK]

Would this fill/happen if it were not blitz and just normal?

I'd play if it would be normal, but seems you decided to proceed with blitz

[ashersky]

Would this fill/happen if it were not blitz and just normal?

I'd play if it would be normal, but seems you decided to proceed with blitz

I could make it 5-day days, but not sure everyone would stay in.

And even then, still one short.

[Awaclus]

I would stay in if it was 5-day days. Actually I might even prefer that.

[Roadrunner7671]

I just want to play Mafia.

[yuma]

I would play down to three day days. Anything shorter would be too fast for me to keep up with art times. But even then I am not going to /in as long as I am in another game. Still want to stick to the one at a time rule.

[faust]

I'm in for any type of pacing.

[Witherweaver]

I'm in even if it's 20-minute days.

[gkrieg13]

I'm fine for whatever

[2.71828.....]

/in if there is space still

[ashersky]

With 2.7, assuming EgorK is ok with 5-day days, we are full.

[scott_pilgrim]

/tag

[ashersky]

Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once.
Of all the wonders that I yet have heard, it seems to me most strange that men should fear;
Seeing that death, a necessary end, will come when it will come.

There are two traitors in your midst.

gkrieg13 is not one of them.

Day one starts now and ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m.

[Hydrad]

so first?

Like I can post already?

[Hydrad]

I've never been in a blitz game before. Hopefully I can keep up!

Vote: e

[faust]

Hi. Vote: Roadrunner. obvscum.

[faust]

We should do a massclaim.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.1:

2.7 (1): Hydrad
RoadRunner7671 (1): faust

Not Voting (6): Witherweaver, Awaclus, gkrieg13, RoadRunner7671, EgorK, 2.7

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Awaclus]

I have a feeling that somehow, silverspawn is secretly scum in this game. Vote: silverspawn

[Awaclus]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

[faust]

Vote: Awaclus

[Roadrunner7671]

Why are we voting already?

[Awaclus]

Why are we voting already?

Vote: Roadrunner

[Roadrunner7671]

Why are we voting already?

Vote: Roadrunner

Okay, I see how it is.
Vote: Awalcus

[faust]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

[Roadrunner7671]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

[faust]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

So if you think Awaclus, me and Hydrad are townies, why don't you vote for the other guys?

[Roadrunner7671]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

So if you think Awaclus, me and Hydrad are townies, why don't you vote for the other guys?

No evidence for any of them. And I think early votes don't make me friends.

[faust]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

So if you think Awaclus, me and Hydrad are townies, why don't you vote for the other guys?

No evidence for any of them. And I think early votes don't make me friends.

But you just said we are all townies!

[Roadrunner7671]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

So if you think Awaclus, me and Hydrad are townies, why don't you vote for the other guys?

No evidence for any of them. And I think early votes don't make me friends.

But you just said we are all townies!

Townie until proven guilty.

[Awaclus]

No evidence for any of them. And I think early votes don't make me friends.

If nobody votes before there is evidence, there will never be any evidence for anyone.

[EgorK]

No evidence for any of them. And I think early votes don't make me friends.

If nobody votes before there is evidence, there will never be any evidence for anyone.

Awaclus explaining? Vote: Awaclus

[Awaclus]

Awaclus explaining? Vote: Awaclus

I'm explaining the game to a newbie, not my votes to the people I'm voting. The former is within my town meta.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.2:

2.7 (1): Hydrad
RoadRunner7671 (2): Awaclus, faust
Awaclus (1): EgorK

Not Voting (4): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, RoadRunner7671, 2.7

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[gkrieg13]

RR do you think I'm town?

[Witherweaver]

Awaclus explaining? Vote: Awaclus

I'm explaining the game to a newbie, not my votes to the people I'm voting. The former is within my town meta.

Vote: Awaclus!

[gkrieg13]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm obviously against a mass claim. I have a good role and I don't want to tell people what it is.

[Witherweaver]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm obviously against a mass claim. I have a good role and I don't want to tell people what it is.

Blatant PR slip fabrication.

[gkrieg13]

vote: ROadrunner

[EgorK]

Awaclus explaining? Vote: Awaclus

I'm explaining the game to a newbie, not my votes to the people I'm voting. The former is within my town meta.

Now you explaining how you are explaining something and not explaining something else. Too much meta for me

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.3:

2.7 (1): Hydrad
RoadRunner7671 (3): Awaclus, faust, gkrieg13
Awaclus (2): EgorK, Witherweaver

Not Voting (2): RoadRunner7671, 2.7

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[faust]

Awaclus explaining? Vote: Awaclus

I'm explaining the game to a newbie, not my votes to the people I'm voting. The former is within my town meta.

Now you explaining how you are explaining something and not explaining something else. Too much meta for me

Yo dawg!

[faust]

I have concluded to RR is town. Therefore, we should lynch Hydrad.

Vote: Hydrad

[Witherweaver]

I have concluded to RR is town. Therefore, we should lynch Hydrad.

Vote: Hydrad

How have you reached that conclusion?

[Witherweaver]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

He obviously read the setup.  Blatant scum tell.

[iguanaiguana]

/tag

[EgorK]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

He obviously read the setup.  Blatant scum tell.

I think we should get over this already. It was fun first 20 times

[Roadrunner7671]

Thanks for being a bro, Faust. WW, are you forgetting us double letter people need to stick together?

Vote: Awaclus for being scum.

[Witherweaver]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

He obviously read the setup.  Blatant scum tell.

I think we should get over this already. It was fun first 20 times

As long as we keep going, it will get fun again.  We just have to get out of the valley.

[Roadrunner7671]

  I'm sorry for learning to play!

[2.71828.....]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

[Witherweaver]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

Because you're scum?

[2.71828.....]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm obviously against a mass claim. I have a good role and I don't want to tell people what it is.

Blatant PR slip fabrication.

yeah.

vote: gkrieg

[2.71828.....]

oh yeah, gkrieg is IC.

unvote

[faust]

I have concluded to RR is town. Therefore, we should lynch Hydrad.

Vote: Hydrad

How have you reached that conclusion?

By reading his posts.

[gkrieg13]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm obviously against a mass claim. I have a good role and I don't want to tell people what it is.

Blatant PR slip fabrication.

yeah.

vote: gkrieg

Embarrassing...

[faust]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

e is also town.

[gkrieg13]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

e is also town.

But is Faust?

vote: Faust

[Witherweaver]

I have concluded to RR is town. Therefore, we should lynch Hydrad.

Vote: Hydrad

How have you reached that conclusion?

By reading his posts.

I figured you just consulted the Oracle. 

[2.71828.....]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

e is also town.

But is Faust?

vote: Faust

No, faust is town.  Witherweaver is scum though.  vote: witherweaver

[Awaclus]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

e is also town.

Because he's against an entirely pointless mass claim?

[faust]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

e is also town.

Because he's against an entirely pointless mass claim?

You got it.

[faust]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

e is also town.

But is Faust?

vote: Faust

Would it convince you if I said I am?

[Witherweaver]

We should do a massclaim.

I'm a VT.

Yeah....not a huge fan of the whole mass claim thing

e is also town.

But is Faust?

vote: Faust

No, faust is town.  Witherweaver is scum though.  vote: witherweaver

Who told you?!

[faust]

Vote: Witherweaver

[Witherweaver]

Et tu, Brutus?

[2.71828.....]

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

So if you think Awaclus, me and Hydrad are townies, why don't you vote for the other guys?

No evidence for any of them. And I think early votes don't make me friends.

Why are we voting already?

You aren't, so why are you talking about "we"?

Vote: Roadrunner

There is one Mafia and one Werewolf. The only group that could be 'we' are townies.

So if you think Awaclus, me and Hydrad are townies, why don't you vote for the other guys?

No evidence for any of them. And I think early votes don't make me friends.

But you just said we are all townies!

Townie until proven guilty.

Thanks for being a bro, Faust. WW, are you forgetting us double letter people need to stick together?

Vote: Awaclus for being scum.

So by his early posts you see a very careful Roadrunner, not jumping out into traffic, but then when he sees everyone else voting, he jumps on the bandwagon of voting for people.  I know when I was scum my first time I was extra careful about not throwing my vote around there a lot.  But then, playstyle.  This is his first game?  So still feeling the waters.  I will keep it in mind, but we should lynch witherweaver first.

[Awaclus]

Who told you?!

So you admit it! Who's your partner?

Vote: WW

[Awaclus]

So by his early posts you see a very careful Roadrunner, not jumping out into traffic, but then when he sees everyone else voting, he jumps on the bandwagon of voting for people.  I know when I was scum my first time I was extra careful about not throwing my vote around there a lot.  But then, playstyle.  This is his first game?  So still feeling the waters.  I will keep it in mind, but we should lynch witherweaver first.

He's also in another ongoing game.

[Witherweaver]

Who told you?!

So you admit it! Who's your partner?

Vote: WW

Everyone but you and one other person.

[faust]

Et tu, Brutus?

It's "Et tu, Brute?"

Scumslip!

[Witherweaver]

Et tu, Brutus?

It's "Et tu, Brute?"

Scumslip!

Well, whatever, I never read it anyway!

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.4:

2.7 (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (3): EgorK, Witherweaver, RR
faust (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (3): 2.7, faust, Awaclus

Not Voting (0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[gkrieg13]

I guess we actually have a lot more time than I realized. 

[Witherweaver]

It's not true Blitz, just faster.

[Hydrad]

sleeping is stressful with only 12 hours to post inbetween.

[Witherweaver]

sleeping is stressful with only 12 hours to post inbetween.

Stressful 'cause you're scum.

[Hydrad]

sleeping is stressful with only 12 hours to post inbetween.

Stressful 'cause you're scum.

well apparently it can also be stressful as town...

I feel like your enjoying this to much If you could play a mafia where its just RVS the whole time. Would you?

[Witherweaver]

sleeping is stressful with only 12 hours to post inbetween.

Stressful 'cause you're scum.

well apparently it can also be stressful as town...

I feel like your enjoying this to much If you could play a mafia where its just RVS the whole time. Would you?

You might as well simulate the game then.  Eventually you're going to form opinions on people. 

[2.71828.....]

sleeping is stressful with only 12 hours to post inbetween.

you sleep for more than 12 hours?  Impressive

[gkrieg13]

I'm for the WW wagon.  vote: WW

[gkrieg13]

L-1

[Witherweaver]

Should I claim?!

[Witherweaver]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.5:

2.7 (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (3): EgorK, Witherweaver, RR
Witherweaver (4): 2.7, faust, Awaclus, gkrieg13

Not Voting (0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Hydrad]

sleeping is stressful with only 12 hours to post inbetween.

you sleep for more than 12 hours?  Impressive

no but if I post here like 2-3 hours before I sleep. And then If I don't wake up and instantly go to my computer I could easily miss the timing.

[Hydrad]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

[Witherweaver]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

Good call.

[gkrieg13]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

There are no partners

[faust]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

There are no partners

You are so clever! Good thing they made you an IC.

[Witherweaver]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

There are no partners

But there are fabricated town slips. 

Vote: Hydrad !

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.6:

2.7 (1): Hydrad
Awaclus (2): EgorK, RR
Witherweaver (4): 2.7, faust, Awaclus, gkrieg13
Hydrad (1): Witherweaver

Not Voting (0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Hydrad]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

There are no partners

But there are fabricated town slips. 

Vote: Hydrad !

I was going to joke vote you for that. almost forgot that you were at L-1. That could have been interesting.

[Roadrunner7671]

Intend to hammer WW maybe.

[EgorK]

I don't like Hydrad here at all. Vote: Hydrad

Also, RR, please do not do this. We still have a lot of time to talk. I would held you accountable if you hammer now

Going to sleep now

[Hydrad]

I don't like Hydrad here at all. Vote: Hydrad

Also, RR, please do not do this. We still have a lot of time to talk. I would held you accountable if you hammer now

Going to sleep now

But I'm so lovable. How could you do this to me egork

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't like Hydrad here at all. Vote: Hydrad

Also, RR, please do not do this. We still have a lot of time to talk. I would held you accountable if you hammer now

Going to sleep now

I'm not gonna vote for him now, but I sort of intend to.

[gkrieg13]

Fine. vote: Hydrad

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote

[faust]

Hydrad,what do you think about WW?

[Hydrad]

Hydrad,what do you think about WW?

Actually scummy right now. I don't know why but it feels like his jokes are a bit different or something then I'm used to.

[gkrieg13]

Hydrad,what do you think about WW?

Actually scummy right now. I don't know why but it feels like his jokes are a bit different or something then I'm used to.

I actually agree with this.

[Witherweaver]

Hydrad,what do you think about WW?

Actually scummy right now. I don't know why but it feels like his jokes are a bit different or something then I'm used to.

Which is all completely inconsequential as I don't know my alignment.

[Witherweaver]

Though now I really hope I'm town, because I hate the "joking WW is scummy" argument.

[Hydrad]

Though now I really hope I'm town, because I hate the "joking WW is scummy" argument.

no but usually I'm completely fine with your jokes. And its not that your joking that is feeling scummy. Its almost like something about the jokes feel weird? But I guess I'm just making it up if you truly haven't looked yet.

[2.71828.....]

Though now I really hope I'm town, because I hate the "joking WW is scummy" argument.

no but usually I'm completely fine with your jokes. And its not that your joking that is feeling scummy. Its almost like something about the jokes feel weird? But I guess I'm just making it up if you truly haven't looked yet.

probably just making it up.

[2.71828.....]

I also don't believe that witherweaver hasn't looked at his PM.  Although, if he was going to do it, this would be the game to do it in.

[2.71828.....]

1-Shot Bulletproof Even-Night Mafia Goon
--BP stops the first WW kill only

but really, from the setup we know WW is scum

[EgorK]

And just to get it on record - scum probably would scumhunt in this game, which makes it a little bit harder

[Hydrad]

And just to get it on record - scum probably would scumhunt in this game, which makes it a little bit harder

so in this game. wagon analysis and stuff will be almost useless? I feel like it might turn into a game of chance to see if we catch scum as there isn't really any way to gain info I guess.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.7:

2.7 (1): Hydrad
Witherweaver (3): 2.7, faust, Awaclus
Hydrad (3): Witherweaver, EgorK, gkrieg13

Not Voting (1):  RR

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[faust]

And just to get it on record - scum probably would scumhunt in this game, which makes it a little bit harder

so in this game. wagon analysis and stuff will be almost useless? I feel like it might turn into a game of chance to see if we catch scum as there isn't really any way to gain info I guess.

Well, you can still look for scummy behaviour, but it's hard.

The best way to catch scum here is to figure out who is not scum.

[Hydrad]

And just to get it on record - scum probably would scumhunt in this game, which makes it a little bit harder

so in this game. wagon analysis and stuff will be almost useless? I feel like it might turn into a game of chance to see if we catch scum as there isn't really any way to gain info I guess.

Well, you can still look for scummy behaviour, but it's hard.

The best way to catch scum here is to figure out who is not scum.

Thats an interesting way to think about it.

Ok lets see.... ok I think gkreig isn't scum. So since I found one now the rest of you have to find another townie and this will be easy. (I'll give you a hint. One of them is me!)

[Awaclus]

One way of finding scum is finding people who are looking for one scum out of 6 players, rather than two. The difference is more subtle than it usually is, but it's still there and it affects the way how people think and sometimes it shows even if you're trying to hide it. For instance, when I was playing (almost) this setup as scum in M67, I scumslipped here by trying to convince silverspawn that Seprix is scum without even appearing to consider the possibility that he could be Seprix's partner. Then I noticed it, and had to come up with an explanation why that was the case, and then I somehow got away with it.

[Awaclus]

The point being, it can be difficult to notice these things, but they still exist.

[EgorK]

Hydrad and WW both looks scummy ATM

[EgorK]

On the other hand I do not have any specific town reads on anyone (beside gkrieg and myself obviously)

[Hydrad]

Hydrad and WW both looks scummy ATM

ah sorry faust said that we have to find townies and then POE kinda thing. so since you don't have other town reads this is obviously wrong.

(although I agree with the WW one)

[Hydrad]

also that reminds me.

Vote: WW

back to L-1!

[EgorK]

Hydrad and WW both looks scummy ATM

ah sorry faust said that we have to find townies and then POE kinda thing. so since you don't have other town reads this is obviously wrong.

(although I agree with the WW one)

But why what faust said is binding? Do you have your own opinion on the matter? Do you have any town reads? Do you have anything to add to the discussion beside your WW read and voting/unvoting on him (which I do not like at all, unvoting part that is)?

[Hydrad]

Hydrad and WW both looks scummy ATM

ah sorry faust said that we have to find townies and then POE kinda thing. so since you don't have other town reads this is obviously wrong.

(although I agree with the WW one)

But why what faust said is binding? Do you have your own opinion on the matter? Do you have any town reads? Do you have anything to add to the discussion beside your WW read and voting/unvoting on him (which I do not like at all, unvoting part that is)?

wait what unvoting part?

as for the thing faust said I think its an interesting way to approach this game and I'll probably use it. But ya right now I actually don't have any good town reads. That statement was more of a joke.

[Roadrunner7671]

I am here! I read someone Awaclus seems a bit scummy. I don't know about Hydrad. Has Witherweaver not looked at his PM? EgorK (I think that's his name) seems fine. I don't think I'm going to vote for now.

[2.71828.....]

Not that anyone would hammer this early, but I want to explore more scum reads before the day ends so

vote: roadrunner

He seems to be very self-aware this game, commenting on his own voting and such.  I find that to come from scum more than town.

[gkrieg13]

Not that anyone would hammer this early, but I want to explore more scum reads before the day ends so

vote: roadrunner

He seems to be very self-aware this game, commenting on his own voting and such.  I find that to come from scum more than town.

Look at him in the other game he is in.

[Witherweaver]

I also don't believe that witherweaver hasn't looked at his PM.  Although, if he was going to do it, this would be the game to do it in.

No reason to lie about it.  Game started before I woke up and could confirm.  I got the alert but didn't read it. 

[EgorK]

Hydrad and WW both looks scummy ATM

ah sorry faust said that we have to find townies and then POE kinda thing. so since you don't have other town reads this is obviously wrong.

(although I agree with the WW one)

But why what faust said is binding? Do you have your own opinion on the matter? Do you have any town reads? Do you have anything to add to the discussion beside your WW read and voting/unvoting on him (which I do not like at all, unvoting part that is)?

wait what unvoting part?

as for the thing faust said I think its an interesting way to approach this game and I'll probably use it. But ya right now I actually don't have any good town reads. That statement was more of a joke.

I thought you voted WW because you found him scummy. My bad. And he was L-1 at the time I think, so I understand why you had not voted.

I need to reassess this game it seems

[Witherweaver]

Faust and Hydrad look bad, Awaclus maybe

[Witherweaver]

Egor feels town

[gkrieg13]

Faust and Hydrad look bad, Awaclus maybe

Why Faust?

[Witherweaver]

Faust and Hydrad look bad, Awaclus maybe

Why Faust?

I get a "how should town act in this setup?" kind of feel from him, instead of a "how should I be finding scum?".. if that makes sense.

[Awaclus]

Awaclus doesn't look bad.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Awaclus

[Awaclus]

vote: Awaclus

You shouldn't vote for people who don't look bad.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.8:

Witherweaver (3): faust, Awaclus, Hydrad
Hydrad (2): Witherweaver, EgorK
RR (1): 2.7
Awaclus (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (1):  RR

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Awaclus

[EgorK]

So, what's the case on Awaclus?

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.9:

Witherweaver (3): faust, Awaclus, Hydrad
Hydrad (1): EgorK
RR (1): 2.7
Awaclus (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver

Not Voting (1):  RR

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Witherweaver]

So, what's the case on Awaclus?

Lynch him and find out.

[faust]

One way of finding scum is finding people who are looking for one scum out of 6 players, rather than two. The difference is more subtle than it usually is, but it's still there and it affects the way how people think and sometimes it shows even if you're trying to hide it. For instance, when I was playing (almost) this setup as scum in M67, I scumslipped here by trying to convince silverspawn that Seprix is scum without even appearing to consider the possibility that he could be Seprix's partner. Then I noticed it, and had to come up with an explanation why that was the case, and then I somehow got away with it.

Well... in that game, the setup wasn't known though, was it? You could guess there was only one other scum due to your role, but the others had no idea. That's different here... everyone is looking for 2 single scummers rather than a pair of them.

[faust]

I also don't believe that witherweaver hasn't looked at his PM.  Although, if he was going to do it, this would be the game to do it in.

No reason to lie about it.  Game started before I woke up and could confirm.  I got the alert but didn't read it.

Well... you not having read your PM basically makes me want to lynch you a lot, because if it is true, that means any interaction you have today is worthless and since you cannot know that you're town, your play will default to a bit more self-serving (and thus scummy) than that of a known townie.

You not reading your PM is self-serving and hurting our ability to scumhunt, and thus anti-town.

[faust]

Faust and Hydrad look bad, Awaclus maybe

Witherweaver (3): faust, Awaclus, Hydrad

Anything to add besides OMGUS?

[faust]

Basically, I will not move my vote from WW until he confirms that he read his PM.

[2.71828.....]

So, what's the case on Awaclus?

Lynch him and find out.

That's a compelling case, but not as good as the one I made against RR

[faust]

So, what's the case on Awaclus?

Lynch him and find out.

That's a compelling case, but not as good as the one I made against RR

What about my case against WW?

Also, do you know how old RR is?

[Witherweaver]

I also don't believe that witherweaver hasn't looked at his PM.  Although, if he was going to do it, this would be the game to do it in.

No reason to lie about it.  Game started before I woke up and could confirm.  I got the alert but didn't read it.

Well... you not having read your PM basically makes me want to lynch you a lot, because if it is true, that means any interaction you have today is worthless and since you cannot know that you're town, your play will default to a bit more self-serving (and thus scummy) than that of a known townie.

You not reading your PM is self-serving and hurting our ability to scumhunt, and thus anti-town.

Since there are two scum teams, my motivation as scum would be the same as my motivation as town: to find the scum.  So I'm not really sure the difference in this case.

[Witherweaver]

Basically, I will not move my vote from WW until he confirms that he read his PM.

But if I get lynched I get to be surprised by the flip!

[2.71828.....]

So, what's the case on Awaclus?

Lynch him and find out.

That's a compelling case, but not as good as the one I made against RR

What about my case against WW?

Also, do you know how old RR is?

Oh, yeah. I do like the case on WW. I am voting RR top increase conversation and lynch candidates and because I find him scummy.

And no, I don't know how old he is. But that really isn't a defense, it's an excuse. A good excuse maybe, but still.

[Witherweaver]

Faust and Hydrad look bad, Awaclus maybe

Witherweaver (3): faust, Awaclus, Hydrad

Anything to add besides OMGUS?

When he voted me he was third on the wagon, I think. Felt like a scummy join.  That and his immediate reference to self meta. 

[faust]

I also don't believe that witherweaver hasn't looked at his PM.  Although, if he was going to do it, this would be the game to do it in.

No reason to lie about it.  Game started before I woke up and could confirm.  I got the alert but didn't read it.

Well... you not having read your PM basically makes me want to lynch you a lot, because if it is true, that means any interaction you have today is worthless and since you cannot know that you're town, your play will default to a bit more self-serving (and thus scummy) than that of a known townie.

You not reading your PM is self-serving and hurting our ability to scumhunt, and thus anti-town.

Since there are two scum teams, my motivation as scum would be the same as my motivation as town: to find the scum.  So I'm not really sure the difference in this case.

The difference is we can't really find scum!you if you don't know that you're scum. And, by the same token, we cannot find town!you.

[Witherweaver]

I also don't believe that witherweaver hasn't looked at his PM.  Although, if he was going to do it, this would be the game to do it in.

No reason to lie about it.  Game started before I woke up and could confirm.  I got the alert but didn't read it.

Well... you not having read your PM basically makes me want to lynch you a lot, because if it is true, that means any interaction you have today is worthless and since you cannot know that you're town, your play will default to a bit more self-serving (and thus scummy) than that of a known townie.

You not reading your PM is self-serving and hurting our ability to scumhunt, and thus anti-town.

Since there are two scum teams, my motivation as scum would be the same as my motivation as town: to find the scum.  So I'm not really sure the difference in this case.

The difference is we can't really find scum!you if you don't know that you're scum. And, by the same token, we cannot find town!you.

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that I'm town.  You are welcome to do the same

[faust]

And no, I don't know how old he is. But that really isn't a defense, it's an excuse. A good excuse maybe, but still.

Yeah... I feel like I can read RR, but he hasn't flipped in any game so far, so I might just be completely fooled. But at any rate, I don't want to lynch him today. I feel like partnerless!scum!newbie!RR is likely to slip up at some point, and he hasn't so far.

I tried to generate some confusion earlier, but it didn't work too well.

[faust]

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that I'm town.  You are welcome to do the same

You do see where the problem is though, right? If I would do the same thing you do, you too would argue to lynch me (or at least for me to be a good candidate)?

[2.71828.....]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

[faust]

Yeah, well, I don't think that's true at all (else we could just randomly vote). People act differently with different alignments, even if they do not have partners to act differently towards.

[Witherweaver]

Well, I'm operating under the assumption that I'm town.  You are welcome to do the same

You do see where the problem is though, right? If I would do the same thing you do, you too would argue to lynch me (or at least for me to be a good candidate)?

I understand what you're saying, but if we were switched, I wouldn't necessarily argue that lynching you is correct.  You would, after all, need to check at night.  Though I wouldn't oppose the lynch, either.  It would depend on if I found something better than an essentially random lynch.

[2.71828.....]

And no, I don't know how old he is. But that really isn't a defense, it's an excuse. A good excuse maybe, but still.

Yeah... I feel like I can read RR, but he hasn't flipped in any game so far, so I might just be completely fooled. But at any rate, I don't want to lynch him today. I feel like partnerless!scum!newbie!RR is likely to slip up at some point, and he hasn't so far.

I tried to generate some confusion earlier, but it didn't work too well.

Trying to generate scum slips? Wait until he says he is scum in the thread? What kinds of slip do you require? Evolving personality within the game is normal for a new player, I will give him that. But I am suspicious of how that evolution is happening in this game, and think it is characteristic of newbie scum

[Witherweaver]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

The motivation is the same (modulo the 1 scum in 5 vs 2 scum in 5 thing), but the main difference is that scum => lynch is a instaloss, while town => can still win if you get lynched.  You want to act the same, but it's hard  to ignore information.

[Witherweaver]

Town points to e.

[faust]

And no, I don't know how old he is. But that really isn't a defense, it's an excuse. A good excuse maybe, but still.

Yeah... I feel like I can read RR, but he hasn't flipped in any game so far, so I might just be completely fooled. But at any rate, I don't want to lynch him today. I feel like partnerless!scum!newbie!RR is likely to slip up at some point, and he hasn't so far.

I tried to generate some confusion earlier, but it didn't work too well.

Trying to generate scum slips? Wait until he says he is scum in the thread? What kinds of slip do you require? Evolving personality within the game is normal for a new player, I will give him that. But I am suspicious of how that evolution is happening in this game, and think it is characteristic of newbie scum

Well, uh, I can't really dive into this without refencing ongoing games, so let's just leave it at that. I think there are posts that are much more likely to come from scum than from town.

[2.71828.....]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

The motivation is the same (modulo the 1 scum in 5 vs 2 scum in 5 thing), but the main difference is that scum => lynch is a instaloss, while town => can still win if you get lynched.  You want to act the same, but it's hard  to ignore information.

So you are making an argument here that says town benefits most when scum look at their PM. Therefore if scum doesn't look, it hurts town. So it would be anti-town to not look at your pm

[Awaclus]

Well... in that game, the setup wasn't known though, was it? You could guess there was only one other scum due to your role, but the others had no idea. That's different here... everyone is looking for 2 single scummers rather than a pair of them.

That's true when we're talking about this particular example, but in general, I think it still applies that you can sometimes tell when someone knows they're hunting for only one other scum.

[Witherweaver]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

The motivation is the same (modulo the 1 scum in 5 vs 2 scum in 5 thing), but the main difference is that scum => lynch is a instaloss, while town => can still win if you get lynched.  You want to act the same, but it's hard  to ignore information.

So you are making an argument here that says town benefits most when scum look at their PM. Therefore if scum doesn't look, it hurts town. So it would be anti-town to not look at your pm

Well this seems to follow, yes. 

[2.71828.....]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

The motivation is the same (modulo the 1 scum in 5 vs 2 scum in 5 thing), but the main difference is that scum => lynch is a instaloss, while town => can still win if you get lynched.  You want to act the same, but it's hard  to ignore information.

So you are making an argument here that says town benefits most when scum look at their PM. Therefore if scum doesn't look, it hurts town. So it would be anti-town to not look at your pm

Well this seems to follow, yes.

Ok. Just so we are on the same page

[EgorK]

So, WW is either telling truth and hadn't read his PM (in which case he is exactly average lynch, so I'm ok with that considering D1 lynch statistics I did some time ago) or lying (and most likely scum)

Yes, I love his lynch very much now, need to consult vote count before voting though

[EgorK]

Yep, Vote: WW

This is L-1 I believe

[faust]

So, WW is either telling truth and hadn't read his PM (in which case he is exactly average lynch, so I'm ok with that considering D1 lynch statistics I did some time ago) or lying (and most likely scum)

Yes, I love his lynch very much now, need to consult vote count before voting though

I wanted to make this exact point.

[faust]

Some playing advice for gkrieg: I suggest you keep your reads hidden at almost all times.

[Witherweaver]

Well I can tell you I'm not lying.

[faust]

Well I can tell you I'm not lying.

Good to have that out of the way.

[gkrieg13]

Some playing advice for gkrieg: I suggest you keep your reads hidden at almost all times.

I do want everyone else to post their reads before the day is over.

[gkrieg13]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

[EgorK]

I think there is no real need to hammer until Saturday though. Game seems to be active, we would have more things to analyze later

[Roadrunner7671]

Really? E is going to vote for me for defending myself? Until I get better reads, all I'm gonna do is defend myself. For now, it's every man for themselves in my opinion.

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

[2.71828.....]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

[faust]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

[Roadrunner7671]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

[Witherweaver]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

[gkrieg13]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

I want people's reads before the day is over. That gives a lot of information.

[Roadrunner7671]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

So does that mean I can't be town?

PPE

[EgorK]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

So does that mean I can't be town?

PPE

No, but would you have mortgage you are sure not mafia. Have you ever known mafioso with mortgage?

[faust]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

I want people's reads before the day is over. That gives a lot of information.

Well, I agree, but once we have those (I don't know, a Day before deadline?), can't we just hammer?

[Roadrunner7671]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

So does that mean I can't be town?

PPE

No, but would you have mortgage you are sure not mafia. Have you ever known mafioso with mortgage?

I'm just hoping I won't get lynched because of this. My reads list is coming in about 2.5 hours.
PPE

[gkrieg13]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

I want people's reads before the day is over. That gives a lot of information.

Well, I agree, but once we have those (I don't know, a Day before deadline?), can't we just hammer?

Yes. I like the intent though for some reason. I just meant right now if someone hammer today IRL.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.10:

Witherweaver (4): faust, Awaclus, Hydrad, EgorK
RR (1): 2.7
Awaclus (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver

Not Voting (1):  RR

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Awaclus]

My reads:

Scummy: WW, possibly Hydrad, possibly RR
Null: a lot of people

[EgorK]

My reads:

Scummy: WW, possibly Hydrad, possibly RR
Null: a lot of people

Well, you do understand that your "alot" is me, e and faust?

[2.71828.....]

RR, the reason I am voting for you is not, as you put it,  that you "are defending yourself." Rather I find your play consistent with being scum.

[2.71828.....]

Oh, and Hydrad is town

[Awaclus]

My reads:

Scummy: WW, possibly Hydrad, possibly RR
Null: a lot of people

Well, you do understand that your "alot" is me, e and faust?

It also includes Hydrad and RR partially.

[Witherweaver]

Oh, and Hydrad is town

Why's that?

[Roadrunner7671]

RR, the reason I am voting for you is not, as you put it,  that you "are defending yourself." Rather I find your play consistent with being scum.

You have never seen me play as scum before! You've never even seen me play! You have no idea what scum RR is!

[2.71828.....]

RR, the reason I am voting for you is not, as you put it,  that you "are defending yourself." Rather I find your play consistent with being scum.

You have never seen me play as scum before! You've never even seen me play! You have no idea what scum RR is!

Well, I have seen your play as scum, since you are scum this game.

Also, hydrad isn't giving off his fun, lovable, scum hydrad tells, but his fun, lovable, town hydrad tells. So I think he is town.

[Roadrunner7671]

RR, the reason I am voting for you is not, as you put it,  that you "are defending yourself." Rather I find your play consistent with being scum.

You have never seen me play as scum before! You've never even seen me play! You have no idea what scum RR is!

Well, I have seen your play as scum, since you are scum this game.

Also, hydrad isn't giving off his fun, lovable, scum hydrad tells, but his fun, lovable, town hydrad tells. So I think he is town.

How do you know I'm scum?

[Awaclus]

How do you know I'm scum?

So you admit it?

[EgorK]

ATM RR does everything possible to move my vote to him

[2.71828.....]

How do you know I'm scum?

I can write up the case when I get home. I like to link everything and it is such a bother doing that on my phone.

[Witherweaver]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

[2.71828.....]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

Hey, that is similar to the case I made against you that took off so well.

[Roadrunner7671]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

If I get lynched the Werewolf and the Mafia will be overjoyed. Everyone else will be mortified.

[Roadrunner7671]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

And if you don't want me to hammer you, you're not making many friends.

[Awaclus]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

If I get lynched the Werewolf and the Mafia will be overjoyed. Everyone else will be mortified.

If you're not the Werewolf or the Mafia, you're a vanilla townie. Lynching a vanilla townie won't make everyone else mortified, it's just the expected outcome of a D1 lynch.

[Awaclus]

Especially if the VT is a scummy one.

[Roadrunner7671]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

If I get lynched the Werewolf and the Mafia will be overjoyed. Everyone else will be mortified.

If you're not the Werewolf or the Mafia, you're a vanilla townie. Lynching a vanilla townie won't make everyone else mortified, it's just the expected outcome of a D1 lynch.

Everyone else will be mortified sad. I just won't talk for a few hours and see how this goes.

[2.71828.....]

But what about those reads we were all looking forward to?

[EgorK]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

If I get lynched the Werewolf and the Mafia will be overjoyed. Everyone else will be mortified.

If you're not the Werewolf or the Mafia, you're a vanilla townie. Lynching a vanilla townie won't make everyone else mortified, it's just the expected outcome of a D1 lynch.

Everyone else will be mortified sad. I just won't talk for a few hours and see how this goes.

"I just won't talk for a few hours as I don't want to dig myself even further"? If you are town you need to convince everyone of it. Not talking is a bad way to do this

[EgorK]

Actually unvote for a moment to avoid temptation on your side

[Roadrunner7671]

There's an easier way.

Vote: Roadrunner

If I get lynched the Werewolf and the Mafia will be overjoyed. Everyone else will be mortified.

If you're not the Werewolf or the Mafia, you're a vanilla townie. Lynching a vanilla townie won't make everyone else mortified, it's just the expected outcome of a D1 lynch.

Everyone else will be mortified sad. I just won't talk for a few hours and see how this goes.

"I just won't talk for a few hours as I don't want to dig myself even further"? If you are town you need to convince everyone of it. Not talking is a bad way to do this

Okay, fine. Let's talk.

I've been trying to defend myself, which causes 2.7 to vote for me. If we are 'not expected to catch scum on day one,' why should I accuse people? I would rather defend myself. 

I can't reference current Mafia games, but let me just say that you should read parts of Switch Mafia.

People are voting for me without reason (WW).
There is general 'let's not trust RR (Egor, Awaclus).

No one has given solidish evidence against me.

Yet I still might get lynched.

Thanks guys.

Love,
Roadrunner7671

[Witherweaver]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

[Roadrunner7671]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

[Witherweaver]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

[EgorK]

RR - read list? It s not bad thing to defend oneself, it is bad thing if this is only thing one do

[EgorK]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

Do you have reasons not to or just mimicing Awa?

[Roadrunner7671]

Read list time!

Faust: He seems pretty town to me. Like, 90%, 95%.
WW: I actually think he is pretty scummy. Maybe 50/50.
Awaclus: What can I say about him? I guess he's more town than scum. But still sort of scummy.
Hydrad: He hasn't talked enough for me, no read as of now.
Gkreig: I'm of sure why, but I have a deep feeling that he is the Vengeful Child.
RR: Seems like bad town to me.
EgorK: Town.
2.7: I think he is town, but I am suspicious of him. I would not be happy lynching him on Day One.

[Witherweaver]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

Do you have reasons not to or just mimicing Awa?

I do have reasons!

[Roadrunner7671]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

Do you have reasons not to or just mimicing Awa?

I do have reasons!

Care to elaborate on those?

[Witherweaver]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

Do you have reasons not to or just mimicing Awa?

I do have reasons!

Care to elaborate on those?

I care to not.

[Roadrunner7671]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

I'm going to assume it's personal.

PPE: One

[2.71828.....]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

I'm going to assume it's personal.

PPE: One

Please, never assume that. I guarantee this is not the case

[Roadrunner7671]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

I care to not.

I'm going to assume it's personal.

PPE: One

Please, never assume that. I guarantee this is not the case

Don't tell him, but I'm just trying to guilt him into telling me.

[Awaclus]

It's erroneous to assume I am voting you without a reason.

Care to elaborate?

When people vote without giving a reason, you should assume that they have a reason. They wouldn't vote if there was no reason. And it's not personal either because people should care more about winning the game than any personal stuff.

Don't tell him, but I'm just trying to guilt him into telling me.

I don't think it's going to work.

[Hydrad]

Hmmm RR is slight town I think.

like 5.2 on a scale of 0-10

[faust]

I don't really want to lynch Roadrunner... do people really think he comes out scummy from all this?

[2.71828.....]

I don't really want to lynch Roadrunner... do people really think he comes out scummy from all this?

Yes

[faust]

I don't really want to lynch Roadrunner... do people really think he comes out scummy from all this?

Yes

Well, then I guess we have to disagree. I think his posting is very much townie.

[Roadrunner7671]

No offense to 2.7, but I think we should listen to Faust. He has a good win rate, and his reads are better.

[gkrieg13]

RR: how do you feel about faust?

PPE: well that pretty much answers it.

[Roadrunner7671]

And WW: Why would you not tell people why you were voting for me? Evidence is more likely to get me lynched, and by voting for me, you want to get my lynched (or maybe you just want my reaction).

[2.71828.....]

No offense to 2.7, but I think we should listen to Faust. He has a good win rate, and his reads are better.

Oh, trust me.  I know my reads are deplorable most of the time.  But how am I going to get better unless I keep trying?

[Witherweaver]

I voted you because I wanted to see how you would respond to pressure.  I was hoping someone would follow and put you at L-1, really.  Hence, 'there's an easier way'.  But I didn't get so much from it, you're still pretty null.  Faust seems to have strengthened his town read, but I don't know if I trust Faust.

Vote: Awaclus

[Roadrunner7671]

I just went on the Mafia Forum and read for about an hour. I know more things now! I will vote in about 8 hours, maybe.

Does 2.7 still think I am scum?

[2.71828.....]

Does 2.7 still think I am scum?

I think that you could definitely be scum.  But, to go along with that:

scummy
RR - Basically, I think that the interactions that he has had have been characteristic of newbie scum.  Trying to only vote when there is a clear case.  Try to "make friends" with people.  Everything geared towards people liking you and your play.  Which is what you want when you are scum.  You want people to like you and not vote for you.  I mean, you want it as town as well, but I think it comes out a bit more as scum
WW - Read your PM
Awaclus - His posts have not really left a great vibe behind.

Middle of the Road
faust - Very useful and people are sheeping him and like everything about what he says.  But then, that is what he does as scum or town
EgorK - I honestly have no clue how to read EgorK.  Half the time we lynch him it is (regrettably) because he has been less active than other people and he becomes a fallback lynch.  Sometimes he happens to be scum, too.  Which is cool

Townie
Hydrad - His normal self.  He did take 12:01:28 hours between his last two posts though....

IC
gkrieg

And of course I am town.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.11:

Witherweaver (3): faust, Awaclus, Hydrad
RR (1): 2.7
Awaclus (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver

Not Voting (2):  RR, EgorK

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Hydrad]

Hydrad - His normal self.  He did take 12:01:28 hours between his last two posts though....

ahha whoops... I'll try to be more careful. Didn't realize I hit it this close.

[Roadrunner7671]

2.7, what you just said is HUGE, at least for me. You said that town like to do what I do, but scum like to do it more. Here's the thing: you have never seen scum RR! I am sure, like all of us, he will have unique tells. Until you can get a grasp of what those are (or until more evidence is opinion) I do not think your vote on me iswhat's best for the town. And you have the town's interests at heart, right 2.7?

[EgorK]

because he has been less active than other people and he becomes a fallback lynch

Hey, this is exactly what I try to avoid with my play this time. Had I failed this?

Now, about my reads.

I find Hydrad mildly scummy because of his "town slip". I think he had not done so as town. But then I can confuse him with Joseph as they have somewhat similar playstyles

I wrote enough about WW

RR - idk, his reactions seem legit, but I have nothing to compare him to especially because scum has no partners here, which changes everything a bit

Faust - I can only repeat what e said

I do not really know where to put Awa and e here. I had not reread them and by just following thread they had not stand out. I guess I am too lazy to reread until D2.

I guess I want to lynch someone from Hydrad and WW, would not terribly mind RR and faust. Later because while he is great asset of town if he is town he is terribly dangerous if he is scum

[Awaclus]

2.7, what you just said is HUGE, at least for me. You said that town like to do what I do, but scum like to do it more. Here's the thing: you have never seen scum RR! I am sure, like all of us, he will have unique tells. Until you can get a grasp of what those are (or until more evidence is opinion) I do not think your vote on me iswhat's best for the town. And you have the town's interests at heart, right 2.7?

Just because you've never finished a scum game doesn't mean you'll have lynch immunity in all of your games or that it's not in town's interests to lynch you. We don't know what you in particular are like when you're scum, but I don't think the individual differences regarding that are very big or anything. As town, you want town to win, as scum, you want scum to win, and one way or another that's always going to show. Fighting against your lynch suggests the former, but it also very much suggests the latter, and that's basically the only thing you've done.

[Roadrunner7671]

I haven't really seen strong reactions from anyone, I'm not going to make a huge case based on little evidence. That wouldn't advance the town. Instead, I am trying not to get lynched so that we can actually find some scum.

[Awaclus]

I haven't really seen strong reactions from anyone, I'm not going to make a huge case based on little evidence.

You are never going to see strong reactions from anyone. You need to reach conclusions based on little evidence.

[faust]

I voted you because I wanted to see how you would respond to pressure.  I was hoping someone would follow and put you at L-1, really.  Hence, 'there's an easier way'.  But I didn't get so much from it, you're still pretty null.  Faust seems to have strengthened his town read, but I don't know if I trust Faust.

Vote: Awaclus

Why would you not trust me? Even if I'm scum, my reads would still be genuine.

[faust]

I still like my WW vote. Though I might be convinced on Awaclus. He feels off here.

[Awaclus]

I just stopped liking my WW vote. Vote: RR

[faust]

Vote: Awaclus

[Witherweaver]

I voted you because I wanted to see how you would respond to pressure.  I was hoping someone would follow and put you at L-1, really.  Hence, 'there's an easier way'.  But I didn't get so much from it, you're still pretty null.  Faust seems to have strengthened his town read, but I don't know if I trust Faust.

Vote: Awaclus

Why would you not trust me? Even if I'm scum, my reads would still be genuine.

What can I say, you're just not trustworthy.  I mean, you've left your Library in ruins for, like,  years.  Pick up some books or dust or something.

But seriously, you've argued against what you're saying now before.  As scum in this situation, you don't have the same knowledge as in other games, but you are biased by knowing you're scum and wanting to look town, so your head tells you "play like I play town", which does lead you to "find scum", but it's subtly different than coming in as town in the first place.    You may be motivated, then, to say things that make you look townie, or do things that you think you would normally do as town.

[faust]

I voted you because I wanted to see how you would respond to pressure.  I was hoping someone would follow and put you at L-1, really.  Hence, 'there's an easier way'.  But I didn't get so much from it, you're still pretty null.  Faust seems to have strengthened his town read, but I don't know if I trust Faust.

Vote: Awaclus

Why would you not trust me? Even if I'm scum, my reads would still be genuine.

What can I say, you're just not trustworthy.  I mean, you've left your Library in ruins for, like,  years.  Pick up some books or dust or something.

But seriously, you've argued against what you're saying now before.  As scum in this situation, you don't have the same knowledge as in other games, but you are biased by knowing you're scum and wanting to look town, so your head tells you "play like I play town", which does lead you to "find scum", but it's subtly different than coming in as town in the first place.    You may be motivated, then, to say things that make you look townie, or do things that you think you would normally do as town.

Well, I agree that I may act differently as scum, sure. My question is, do you think I would suspect different people if I was scum? You seemed to imply tht my reads cannot be trusted, but why would scum!me not do his best to find scum?

[Witherweaver]

Hm.. I think we tend to exaggerate reads as scum, even if not intentionally.  So someone that is null, maybe town may move to "definitely town", for example. 

And, possibly yes.  If you think that other people think that town!you would or would not go after a particular player, then you will act to meet those perceived expectations.

At any rate, I'm not sure how to read RR.  I don't know if anything we've seen from him is indicative of alignment or simply indicative of him himself. 

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Awaclus

Vote: Awaclus

[EgorK]

Vote: RR

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.12:

Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
RR (3): 2.7, Awaclus, EgorK
Awaclus (4): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, faust, RR

Not Voting (0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Roadrunner7671]

Uh oh, I might actually die. Let's think about this, okay?

I'm not scum.

[gkrieg13]

Uh oh, I might actually die. Let's think about this, okay?

I'm not scum.

Why are you sheeping someone who is not confirmed town?

[2.71828.....]

Uh oh, I might actually die. Let's think about this, okay?

I'm not scum.

Why are you sheeping someone who is not confirmed town?

I mean, you are voting awaclus as well

[Roadrunner7671]

Uh oh, I might actually die. Let's think about this, okay?

I'm not scum.

Why are you sheeping someone who is not confirmed town?

Sheeping?

[Witherweaver]

I sheep Faust a lot when he's not confirmed. 

[2.71828.....]

Uh oh, I might actually die. Let's think about this, okay?

I'm not scum.

Why are you sheeping someone who is not confirmed town?

Sheeping?

Sheeping is just copying what another person does. In the same way that sheep will just follow blindly behind someone.

Basically, why are you voting awaclus? Simply because faust did? Because that is what your past looks like

[Awaclus]

I'm not scum.

Me neither.

[2.71828.....]

I sheep Faust a lot when he's not confirmed.

And yeah. This. Sheeping faust is not a terrible thing to do

[Roadrunner7671]

He is acting the same way he has before when he was confirmed town, and he's really good at Mafia. I also wanted to put Awaclus at L-1 to see if he would squirm.

[Witherweaver]

He is acting the same way he has before when he was confirmed town, and he's really good at Mafia. I also wanted to put Awaclus at L-1 to see if he would squirm.

This is suspicious, considering I've already given precedence for it.

[2.71828.....]

He is acting the same way he has before when he was confirmed town, and he's really good at Mafia. I also wanted to put Awaclus at L-1 to see if he would squirm.

This is suspicious, considering I've already given precedence for it.

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

[Witherweaver]

He is acting the same way he has before when he was confirmed town, and he's really good at Mafia. I also wanted to put Awaclus at L-1 to see if he would squirm.

This is suspicious, considering I've already given precedence for it.

Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

Or scummery!

[Awaclus]

He is acting the same way he has before when he was confirmed town, and he's really good at Mafia. I also wanted to put Awaclus at L-1 to see if he would squirm.

It might be a good idea to announce the L-1 in that case.

[Hydrad]

Hmm well I'm not to sad with a Awa lynch. but thats pretty much only because you can't really tell if hes scum or town.

[2.71828.....]

He is acting the same way he has before when he was confirmed town, and he's really good at Mafia. I also wanted to put Awaclus at L-1 to see if he would squirm.

It might be a good idea to announce the L-1 in that case.

He was being discreet. Well, until he told everyone what he was doing.

[Awaclus]

Hmm well I'm not to sad with a Awa lynch. but thats pretty much only because you can't really tell if hes scum or town.

Why can't you tell that I'm town?

[Witherweaver]

Slow blitz

[2.71828.....]

Slow blitz

Yeah, let's speed things up.  Vote: WW

[Witherweaver]

Slow blitz

Yeah, let's speed things up.  Vote: WW

That's the correct speed but the wrong velocity.

[Witherweaver]

Clearly you're Awaclus' partner.

[Awaclus]

Clearly you're Awaclus' partner.

But I'm not voting for you, so clearly his partner must be Hydrad.

[Witherweaver]

Clearly you're Awaclus' partner.

But I'm not voting for you, so clearly his partner must be Hydrad.

But he's diverting from your lynch.

[Awaclus]

But he's diverting from your lynch.

Yes, he's clearly doing that for the town points.

[Roadrunner7671]

I like my vote on Awaclus for now. He seems very nonchalant, maybe he thinks his scum partner will come to his aid?

[Awaclus]

I like my vote on Awaclus for now. He seems very nonchalant, maybe he thinks his scum partner will come to his aid?

OH NO WHAT AM I GOING TO DO THEY'RE LYNCHING ME OH CRAP

[Roadrunner7671]

I like my vote on Awaclus for now. He seems very nonchalant, maybe he thinks his scum partner will come to his aid?

OH NO WHAT AM I GOING TO DO THEY'RE LYNCHING ME OH CRAP

+1

Now do you want to put up a defense or just count on people to not vote for you?

[faust]

We should lynch someone. WW, Awaclus, I'm fine with anything. I don't think there's much more to get out of this day.

[EgorK]

I officially will vote next person who would talk about scum partners in here. This is not believable by now, and I am fed up with constructed town slips (unfortunately town do it too)

PPE

[Awaclus]

Now do you want to put up a defense or just count on people to not vote for you?

The defense is that when you read my posts, it should be obvious that there's genuine town motivation behind them. Especially worth noting are the posts about scumhunting and this one:

I just stopped liking my WW vote. Vote: RR

I officially will vote next person who would talk about scum partners in here. This is not believable by now, and I am fed up with constructed town slips (unfortunately town do it too)

They are jokes, not constructed town slips. I've played almost this exact setup as scum before, it wouldn't have been exactly believable of me to pretend to not know that it's multiball at any point in the game.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.13:

Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, 2.7
RR (2): Awaclus, EgorK
Awaclus (4): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, faust, RR

Not Voting (0):

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.

[Witherweaver]

So I read my PM

[Roadrunner7671]

So I read my PM

And what did it say?

[Awaclus]

So I read my PM

Nvm that town read on you then. Vote: WW

[2.71828.....]

So I read my PM

Good point. 

vote: Awaclus

[Witherweaver]

So I read my PM

And what did it say?

Good news!  I'm a VT

[Witherweaver]

So I read my PM

Nvm that town read on you then. Vote: WW

What, you actually thought I was lying before as town?  I had to read it 'cause I had other ones from other games.

[Roadrunner7671]

So I read my PM

Good point. 

vote: Awaclus

What have you done?

[Witherweaver]

Oh is Awaclus hammered?

[2.71828.....]

yeah

[2.71828.....]

So I read my PM

Good point. 

vote: Awaclus

What have you done?

I voted for Awaclus

[Witherweaver]

Flippity flippity flop flop

[2.71828.....]

Flippity flippity flop flop

Yeah, pretty sure Ashersky is asleep. 

[Hydrad]

oh. well that was fun. awa what are you!

[Roadrunner7671]

Can I unvote then?

[gkrieg13]

I guess that's blitz for ya!  Everyone post your reads if you get the chance.  Mainly just need top scum reads from everyone.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm going to try and Unvote.

Let's talk about this.

[2.71828.....]

I'm going to try and Unvote.

Let's talk about this.

Doesn't work like that

[Witherweaver]

I think scum

[Hydrad]

He has a higher chance of being scum then most I think. WW still feels a bit higher I think.

[Witherweaver]

I'm town.  I checked!

[Roadrunner7671]

Can we get a claim from Awalclus?

[ashersky]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Witherweaver (2): Hydrad, Awaclus
RR (1): EgorK
Awaclus (5): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, faust, RR, 2.7

Not Voting (0):

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

[ashersky]

Our doubts are traitors and make us lose the good we oft might win by fearing to attempt.

Awaclus has been lynched.  He was the 1-Shot BP Odd-Night Werewolf Goon.

Night 1 begins now.

[ashersky]

No one died during the night!

Day 2 begins now.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.0:


Not Voting (7): Witherweaver, Hydrad, RR, EgorK, gkrieg13, Faust, 2.7

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on November 4 at 2:30 a.m. forum time.

[faust]

Well, this is pretty awsome. Good work, guys!

Things should be easy from here. I think e is townie. RR is town. gkrieg obviously. That leaves Hydrad, Egor, WW, me.

Well, it's not me. Egor feels like town; he tries to change his meta, I think he's less likely to do that as scum. Hydrad/WW is a wash.

Vote: Hydrad

[faust]

Also talk about blitz night. It lasted exactly 32 seconds.

[EgorK]

I want to hear more from WW now that he read his PM

Bad thing we can't really analyze interactions. Oh, we would have to live with this.

ATM from my perspective remaining scum is likely to be between Hydrad, WW, faust, e and RR. From more likely to less

I'd vote Hydrad, but do not want the day to be as blitz as night

[EgorK]

Oh, by the way - scum now only can fake scumhunt

[2.71828.....]

Well, this is pretty awsome. Good work, guys!

Things should be easy from here. I think e is townie. RR is town. gkrieg obviously. That leaves Hydrad, Egor, WW, me.

Well, it's not me. Egor feels like town; he tries to change his meta, I think he's less likely to do that as scum. Hydrad/WW is a wash.

Vote: Hydrad

This post makes a lot of sense.

[faust]

ATM from my perspective remaining scum is likely to be between Hydrad, WW, faust, e and RR.

You really trimmed down your lynch pool, didn't you?

[Witherweaver]

I have a townread on Egor, and Faust is looking townier.  e about the same as before (townish).  That leaves RR and Hydrad.  Hydrad seems more likely; RR I still can't decipher. 

[Roadrunner7671]

I have a townread on Egor, and Faust is looking townier.  e about the same as before (townish).  That leaves RR and Hydrad.  Hydrad seems more likely; RR I still can't decipher.

I am a man of many faces.

Faust and 2.7 (aka e?) are town for me.
WW could be scum, but Hydrad is more likely.
I am bad town, Egor is good town.

I guess I will vote for Hydrad, but I agree with Fuast about not wanting a blitz day.

[Witherweaver]

I'm not really sure if everyone being okay with lynching Hydrad makes him more or less likely to be scum here.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not really sure if everyone being okay with lynching Hydrad makes him more or less likely to be scum here.

Well, since everyone besides Hydrad is town, he's probably more likely to be scum.

[EgorK]

ATM from my perspective remaining scum is likely to be between Hydrad, WW, faust, e and RR.

You really trimmed down your lynch pool, didn't you?

I more like established order on scum-town scale if you look at full quote

[Witherweaver]

I'm not really sure if everyone being okay with lynching Hydrad makes him more or less likely to be scum here.

Well, since everyone besides Hydrad is town, he's probably more likely to be scum.

Sound solid.

[2.71828.....]

Not having a NK really doesn't help us with analysis. We Are basically the same place we were D1 just with one less person.

[gkrieg13]

Not having a NK really doesn't help us with analysis. We Are basically the same place we were D1 just with one less person.

Agreed.  Except now we only have to worry about one scum, and there will only be a NK every other night!!!!!  That's awesome for town

[2.71828.....]

True. But it also means I am basically back to where I was yesterday as far as my reads.

[Witherweaver]

I agree.

Vote: Hydrad

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.1:

Hydrad (2): faust, Witherweaver

Not Voting (5): Hydrad, RR, EgorK, gkrieg13, 2.7

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on November 4 at 2:30 a.m. forum time.

[Hydrad]

wow that was super fast.

But I guess I should expect super fast nights in a fast game.

[Hydrad]

Vote: ww

your still scummish.

[Hydrad]

i think right now i'm also willing to go egork and faust.

e seems townie and RR still does also.

[2.71828.....]

Vote: ww

your still scummish.

*you're still scummish

[EgorK]

We are currently at 7 people. If mafia kills IC N2 then:
After D2: 6
After N2: 4
After D3: 3
After N3: 3 (LyLo)

If mafia kills non IC:
After D2: 6
After N2: 5
After D3: 4
After N3: 4 (MiLo)
After D4: 3
After N4: 2

[EgorK]

Oh, I though there may be no lynch, but apparently we just can't vote for it

[EgorK]

e, do you still has town read on Hydrad?

[2.71828.....]

e, do you still has town read on Hydrad?

I lean a little more town on Hydrad right now.  I think we should lynch WW.  In fact, vote: WW

[Witherweaver]

e, do you still has town read on Hydrad?

I lean a little more town on Hydrad right now.  I think we should lynch WW.  In fact, vote: WW

Why is that?

[2.71828.....]

e, do you still has town read on Hydrad?

I lean a little more town on Hydrad right now.  I think we should lynch WW.  In fact, vote: WW

Why is that?

Oh, I didn't mean I felt more townie today than yesterday, but just more town than scum.  I feel the same about hydrad today as yesterday

[gkrieg13]

vote: e

[Witherweaver]

e, do you still has town read on Hydrad?

I lean a little more town on Hydrad right now.  I think we should lynch WW.  In fact, vote: WW

Why is that?

Oh, I didn't mean I felt more townie today than yesterday, but just more town than scum.  I feel the same about hydrad today as yesterday

"that" referred to your voting me.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Hydrad

[EgorK]

So, what's the case on Hydrad? Also, he is at L-1 I believe, beware

[Roadrunner7671]

So, what's the case on Hydrad? Also, he is at L-1 I believe, beware

Mostly his town slip. And call me a sheep, but everyone who caught Awalcus feels strongly about Hydrad. Maybe I am just missing something, but I gaze into his profile picture and see only a deep hatred for the town that killed his partner.

[Witherweaver]

What town slip?

[2.71828.....]

So, what's the case on Hydrad? Also, he is at L-1 I believe, beware

Mostly his town slip. And call me a sheep, but everyone who caught Awalcus feels strongly about Hydrad. Maybe I am just missing something, but I gaze into his profile picture and see only a deep hatred for the town that killed his partner.

you mean the "slip" that you just made? 

Can we vote: roadrunner now?

[Witherweaver]

Roadrunner, do you actually know the setup of this game?

[2.71828.....]

Roadrunner, do you actually know the setup of this game?

He is too townie to have read it

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.2:

Hydrad (3): faust, Witherweaver, RR
WW (1): Hydrad
2.7 (1): gkrieg13
RR (1): 2.7

Not Voting (1): EgorK

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on November 4 at 2:30 a.m. forum time.

[2.71828.....]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

There are no partners

But there are fabricated town slips. 

Vote: Hydrad !

and this is what RR was referring to

[EgorK]

And as I promised Vote: RR

[Witherweaver]

Fun fact: I haven't read my PM, and I don't know my alignment.

Exactly what scum would say so that you couldn't link with your partners!

There are no partners

But there are fabricated town slips. 

Vote: Hydrad !

and this is what RR was referring to

It's better if he says these things!

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner, do you actually know the setup of this game?

Nope.

[EgorK]

Roadrunner, do you actually know the setup of this game?

Nope.

Someone decides to play new game and do not read even setup. Sounds believable

[Roadrunner7671]

Roadrunner, do you actually know the setup of this game?

Nope.

Someone decides to play new game and do not read even setup. Sounds believable

I'm not new to Mafia, this is my second game. What I know is that there is two Mafia a Compulsive Child and two Mafia.

You voted for me for a reason, but that reason was because I made you upset.
2.7 Voted for me again!

Things are really going downhill for me and the town.

[Witherweaver]

Roadrunner, do you actually know the setup of this game?

Nope.

Someone decides to play new game and do not read even setup. Sounds believable

I'm not new to Mafia, this is my second game. What I know is that there is two Mafia a Compulsive Child and two Mafia.

You voted for me for a reason, but that reason was because I made you upset.
2.7 Voted for me again!

Things are really going downhill for me and the town.

Maybe go ahead and read the setup.

[EgorK]

RR, you stopped making any sense at all. If you hadn't read setup then what town slip you are talking about

[EgorK]

Missed question mark

[Roadrunner7671]

RR, you stopped making any sense at all. If you hadn't read setup then what town slip you are talking about

The one everyone is talking about.

[Witherweaver]

RR, you stopped making any sense at all. If you hadn't read setup then what town slip you are talking about

The one everyone is talking about.

You're the one that was talking about it.  So, what were you talking about?

[faust]

I don't get why people would think that RR is scummy. He's very strange, but uh that's not an alignment tell, see Morgrim.

Can we lynch Hydrad now? Really we have 4 town-controlled kills left, this shouldn't be too hard. All we have to do is not keep the wrong person alive.I would argue for the one person to be left alive to be RR. Maybe Egor, maybe e. Everyone else can die.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't get why people would think that RR is scummy. He's very strange, but uh that's not an alignment tell, see Morgrim.

Can we lynch Hydrad now? Really we have 4 town-controlled kills left, this shouldn't be too hard. All we have to do is not keep the wrong person alive.I would argue for the one person to be left alive to be RR. Maybe Egor, maybe e. Everyone else can die.

I think this game blew up in my face and people won't trust me until I flip.

But I would like to lynch Hydrad.

[faust]

I don't get why people would think that RR is scummy. He's very strange, but uh that's not an alignment tell, see Morgrim.

Can we lynch Hydrad now? Really we have 4 town-controlled kills left, this shouldn't be too hard. All we have to do is not keep the wrong person alive.I would argue for the one person to be left alive to be RR. Maybe Egor, maybe e. Everyone else can die.

I think this game blew up in my face and people won't trust me until I flip.

But I would like to lynch Hydrad.

The general rule is, people should not trust anyone until they flip.

[faust]

And sometimes not even then... gkrieg, why are you voting e?

[EgorK]

And sometimes not even then... gkrieg, why are you voting e?

I don't think he should answer unless he want to convince people to follow

[Hydrad]

Hmm. well I don't know really how to convince you to not vote me. But thats still fine. Hitting scum in this setup feels so strong that we have pretty good odds to win even if I'm lynched.

[Hydrad]

but ya. I think my list is

WW>egork>faust>RR>E

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, out. Will post when I get home

[2.71828.....]

And sometimes not even then... gkrieg, why are you voting e?

yeah.  Why vote me?

But anyway, RR is most likely town.  Back to

vote: WW

[EgorK]

Vote count?

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.3:

Hydrad (3): faust, Witherweaver, RR
WW (2): Hydrad, 2.7
2.7 (1): gkrieg13
RR (1): EgorK

Not Voting (0):

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on November 4 at 2:30 a.m. forum time.

[Hydrad]

going to sleep. maybe when I wake up I won't be at L-1.

I can dream.

[Hydrad]

going to sleep. maybe when I wake up I won't be at L-1.

I can dream.

(Side note my dream doesn't like L-0 either!)

[faust]

Anyone up for a hammer? Since not much else seems to be happening here...

[gkrieg13]

Why not. vote: Hydrad

[ashersky]

Final Day 2 Vote Count:

Hydrad (4): faust, Witherweaver, RR, gkrieg13
WW (2): Hydrad, 2.7
RR (1): EgorK

Not Voting (0):

With 7 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

[ashersky]

How sharper than a serpent’s tooth it is to have a thankless child!

Hydrad has been lynched.  He was the 1-Shot BP Even-Night Mafia Goon!

Town wins flawlessly.

[gkrieg13]

Wow well that was quick. Good scum hunting everyone.

[ashersky]

Speccy: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/k9wh53MpffBj

[ashersky]

I didn't find Hydrad particularly scummy.  Interested why he ended up the default lynch.

[ashersky]

Lynch wagons were the same 4 townies plus 2.7 on Day 1.

[faust]

I didn't find Hydrad particularly scummy.  Interested why he ended up the default lynch.

He wasn't towny. That's a red flag for Hydrad. Also other people were towny, and it was PoE.

Well played, everyone! Did we ever have a game where no townie died?

[Witherweaver]

Ha, both scum were my top picks for Day 1. Going to not read my PM more often!

[Witherweaver]

I didn't find Hydrad particularly scummy.  Interested why he ended up the default lynch.

He was not really trying to scum hunt.  Well, it's hard in this game, but still.

[faust]

I think this game goes to show that scum does not actually want to scumhunt on D1 in this setup.

[Roadrunner7671]

I can now write that I have won 100% of my Mafia games, making me the best Mafia player on the Forum. Good game everyone!

[gkrieg13]

Well at least we have a flip for RR now.

[Roadrunner7671]

Well at least we have a flip for RR now.

I was the Vengeful Child

[Awaclus]

I still don't get why I got lynched though.

[ashersky]

I still don't get why I got lynched though.

My thought was in the speccy.

[faust]

I still don't get why I got lynched though.

Because you were scum.

[Witherweaver]

I still don't get why I got lynched though.

Because you were scum.

Haha, nailed it.

[Witherweaver]

I don't think "Hey look I'm being townie because I can point to this one thing that is totally indicative of me as town because I say it's town and there's of course no way I could ever be lying about this especially considering since I'm the sole person that gets to make this arbitrary decision whether it's a town or scum trait" is very convincing of an argument.

[Awaclus]

I don't think "Hey look I'm being townie because I can point to this one thing that is totally indicative of me as town because I say it's town and there's of course no way I could ever be lying about this especially considering since I'm the sole person that gets to make this arbitrary decision whether it's a town or scum trait" is very convincing of an argument.

That's the only argument you can make though.

[Hydrad]

hmm.... I felt like I was being towny though. I was trying to scumhunt and actually did have WW as my top scumread and awa second.

although when awa died day 1 that was unfortunate.

[Witherweaver]

hmm.... I felt like I was being towny though. I was trying to scumhunt and actually did have WW as my top scumread and awa second.

although when awa died day 1 that was unfortunate.

That's hard for me to see, really, because I didn't even know if I was town or not for all the time you wanted to lynch me on Day 1.  And Day 2 you just continued it, so for me it didn't feel like you were. 

[ashersky]

I never named an MVP here.  gkrieg13 gets it.

[gkrieg13]

Woohoo!