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[2.71828.....]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

The motivation is the same (modulo the 1 scum in 5 vs 2 scum in 5 thing), but the main difference is that scum => lynch is a instaloss, while town => can still win if you get lynched.  You want to act the same, but it's hard  to ignore information.

So you are making an argument here that says town benefits most when scum look at their PM. Therefore if scum doesn't look, it hurts town. So it would be anti-town to not look at your pm

[Awaclus]

Well... in that game, the setup wasn't known though, was it? You could guess there was only one other scum due to your role, but the others had no idea. That's different here... everyone is looking for 2 single scummers rather than a pair of them.

That's true when we're talking about this particular example, but in general, I think it still applies that you can sometimes tell when someone knows they're hunting for only one other scum.

[Witherweaver]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

The motivation is the same (modulo the 1 scum in 5 vs 2 scum in 5 thing), but the main difference is that scum => lynch is a instaloss, while town => can still win if you get lynched.  You want to act the same, but it's hard  to ignore information.

So you are making an argument here that says town benefits most when scum look at their PM. Therefore if scum doesn't look, it hurts town. So it would be anti-town to not look at your pm

Well this seems to follow, yes. 

[2.71828.....]

I see WW's perspective in that everyone will act like a VT D1 no matter what role they have since they are no scum teams.

That doesn't mean I agree with him though

The motivation is the same (modulo the 1 scum in 5 vs 2 scum in 5 thing), but the main difference is that scum => lynch is a instaloss, while town => can still win if you get lynched.  You want to act the same, but it's hard  to ignore information.

So you are making an argument here that says town benefits most when scum look at their PM. Therefore if scum doesn't look, it hurts town. So it would be anti-town to not look at your pm

Well this seems to follow, yes.

Ok. Just so we are on the same page

[EgorK]

So, WW is either telling truth and hadn't read his PM (in which case he is exactly average lynch, so I'm ok with that considering D1 lynch statistics I did some time ago) or lying (and most likely scum)

Yes, I love his lynch very much now, need to consult vote count before voting though

[EgorK]

Yep, Vote: WW

This is L-1 I believe

[faust]

So, WW is either telling truth and hadn't read his PM (in which case he is exactly average lynch, so I'm ok with that considering D1 lynch statistics I did some time ago) or lying (and most likely scum)

Yes, I love his lynch very much now, need to consult vote count before voting though

I wanted to make this exact point.

[faust]

Some playing advice for gkrieg: I suggest you keep your reads hidden at almost all times.

[Witherweaver]

Well I can tell you I'm not lying.

[faust]

Well I can tell you I'm not lying.

Good to have that out of the way.

[gkrieg13]

Some playing advice for gkrieg: I suggest you keep your reads hidden at almost all times.

I do want everyone else to post their reads before the day is over.

[gkrieg13]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

[EgorK]

I think there is no real need to hammer until Saturday though. Game seems to be active, we would have more things to analyze later

[Roadrunner7671]

Really? E is going to vote for me for defending myself? Until I get better reads, all I'm gonna do is defend myself. For now, it's every man for themselves in my opinion.

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

[2.71828.....]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

[faust]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

[Roadrunner7671]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

[Witherweaver]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

[gkrieg13]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

I want people's reads before the day is over. That gives a lot of information.

[Roadrunner7671]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

So does that mean I can't be town?

PPE

[EgorK]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

So does that mean I can't be town?

PPE

No, but would you have mortgage you are sure not mafia. Have you ever known mafioso with mortgage?

[faust]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

I want people's reads before the day is over. That gives a lot of information.

Well, I agree, but once we have those (I don't know, a Day before deadline?), can't we just hammer?

[Roadrunner7671]

And does Faust know how old I am?

And is that relevent?

We are professional stalkers here on f.ds. and your profile says how old you are because you didn't hide that info.

And it isn't relevant, except that in mafia we make assumptions based on all sorts of data.

PPE 1

Yes, I updated it a few days ago. Can you tell me some assumptions you made based on my age?

You don't have a mortgage.

So does that mean I can't be town?

PPE

No, but would you have mortgage you are sure not mafia. Have you ever known mafioso with mortgage?

I'm just hoping I won't get lynched because of this. My reads list is coming in about 2.5 hours.
PPE

[gkrieg13]

And I will vengekill whoever hammers without first posting intent.

Really? I mean, quickhammers aren't great, but it's not like there's anything to claim, so why do we need intent to hammer?

I want people's reads before the day is over. That gives a lot of information.

Well, I agree, but once we have those (I don't know, a Day before deadline?), can't we just hammer?

Yes. I like the intent though for some reason. I just meant right now if someone hammer today IRL.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.10:

Witherweaver (4): faust, Awaclus, Hydrad, EgorK
RR (1): 2.7
Awaclus (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver

Not Voting (1):  RR

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on November 1 at 5:00 a.m. forum time.