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[jotheonah]

That makes a lot of sense to me. But the Bishop card - either he played it or someone else did.

[jotheonah]

Unless someone counterclaims playing Bishop, we have to believe ashersky.

[Robz888]

That makes a lot of sense to me. But the Bishop card - either he played it or someone else did.

Right. I think ashersky played Bishop, and also did the strongman kill. He can't do both?

[Robz888]

From the first post: "The 1-shot kill modifier will replace one of the cards in a Mafia-aligned players hand. They can still play a card in addition to using their kill modifier."

[ashersky]

That makes a lot of sense to me. But the Bishop card - either he played it or someone else did.

Right. I think ashersky played Bishop, and also did the strongman kill. He can't do both?

You really think that?  If YN would talk, I can confirm if he's telling the truth.  I actually already think he's town and am ready to vote Qvist, but just want to wait.

[jotheonah]

I stand corrected.

Well that would be kind of brilliant, to strongman and doctor the same target on the same night.

But why not? You're a scum who accidentally drafted a doctor kill, and you have no partners left to use it on. Why not use it to try to clear yourself?

Do we know scum has to be YN, ash, or Qvist at this point?

[jotheonah]

YN, I would like to know who is to your right currently. I will explain why after you tell me (or the person to YN's right comes out).

[Robz888]

I stand corrected.

Well that would be kind of brilliant, to strongman and doctor the same target on the same night.

But why not? You're a scum who accidentally drafted a doctor kill, and you have no partners left to use it on. Why not use it to try to clear yourself?

Do we know scum has to be YN, ash, or Qvist at this point?

Yes, unless something fairly bastardly is going on.

Right, I do think ashersky would do that. He knows he's pretty screwed (the remaining scum is like dead in the water no matter what) and has to try something bold.

[Young Nick]

This point about ashersky strong-arming is a good one, but it also is unnecessary. If ashersky wants to kill Galzria, he can just play Bishop, name anybody else and send in the NK without wasting his strong-arm special ability. If this is the case, we have to be careful because he could still have his special ability, and it could be strong-arm or something else.

Joth, I believe you should already know who is to my right.

Also, considering this is a RM type game, I think we should still keep the possibility open that weird things are happening and results are being mixed up. Whether there is a bus-driver/redirector or anything like that, results can be altered. See Qvist/Morgrim.

Also, joth, what do you want me to talk about? My Tactician findings? Has everyone else already claimed for last night, because I would not like to disclose my results until that happens.

[Robz888]

This point about ashersky strong-arming is a good one, but it also is unnecessary. If ashersky wants to kill Galzria, he can just play Bishop, name anybody else and send in the NK without wasting his strong-arm special ability. If this is the case, we have to be careful because he could still have his special ability, and it could be strong-arm or something else.

Joth, I believe you should already know who is to my right.

Also, considering this is a RM type game, I think we should still keep the possibility open that weird things are happening and results are being mixed up. Whether there is a bus-driver/redirector or anything like that, results can be altered. See Qvist/Morgrim.

Also, joth, what do you want me to talk about? My Tactician findings? Has everyone else already claimed for last night, because I would not like to disclose my results until that happens.

The thing is, ashersky would do that to create some cover for himself. He needs to do something like that, or else we're going to POE him probably anyway.

[jotheonah]

No, I know Galz was strongarmed because I protected him, too.

And ... My mistake, I need to know who's on the other side of you.

I think it's up to you whether to share your other information.

[ashersky]

I didn't kill anyone because I am not mafia.  I do like the compliment that I would come up with that plan, though.

[jotheonah]

You know, YN can't lie about table positions anyway, the other person would contradict him.

So here's where I'm at: I have a vig kill in my hand.

It seems like, if we have a group of 3 where one is scum for sure, we can lynch one today and I can vig in the night with 50/50 accuracy.

The problem is, my vig kill is Contraband and the person to my left can tell me one person I can't kill. And that person is Young Nick.

If the person to Young Nick's left is Frisk or Robz, we should lynch him today so that a confTown has veto power over my shot, and I can freely shoot ash or Qvist. If it's either ash or Qvist, then I might not be able to helpful, unless I use the kill semi-investigatively, but I'm not sure if that's wise.

Thoughts?

[Robz888]

I have Dsell on the left and ashersky on the right.


I have no idea how to figure this out.

[Robz888]

I agree with your plan though. Arguably I think we lynch YN, then, and you shoot ashersky. If ashersky dies and flips town, lynch Qvist. If ashersky doesn't die, lynch ashersky. If the game still isn't over... we have enough people left to lynch qvist the next day right?

[jotheonah]

No, it works like the card I think. Before I shoot, the person tells me who I can't shoot.

[ashersky]

I have Robz left, Morgrim right.

I also have Moat in hand, which does what you would expect.

[Robz888]

I have Robz left, Morgrim right.

I also have Moat in hand, which does what you would expect.

Could you be explicit? So he can't Vig you, is what you are saying.

[Archetype]

That makes a lot of sense to me. But the Bishop card - either he played it or someone else did.

Right. I think ashersky played Bishop, and also did the strongman kill. He can't do both?

Scum may both kill and play a card each night, the may use a kill modification too.

Not saying if ashersky is scum or not.

[Young Nick]

@Qvist: Did your Treasure Map require you to play two of them?

[ashersky]

I have Robz left, Morgrim right.

I also have Moat in hand, which does what you would expect.

Could you be explicit? So he can't Vig you, is what you are saying.

Full protection at night.  I am assuming it is full proof, because scum used the strong arm kill last night.

[ashersky]

I have Robz left, Morgrim right.

I also have Moat in hand, which does what you would expect.

Could you be explicit? So he can't Vig you, is what you are saying.

Full protection at night.  I am assuming it is full proof, because scum used the strong arm kill last night.

I would note, I have investigative cards left, so I would rather do that.

Also, Morgrim, what did you play?

[ashersky]

Ashersky, why didn't you doctor Eevee night 2? He just about begged for protection.

Why didn't you?  I honestly didn't see it.

[Qvist]

@Qvist: Did your Treasure Map require you to play two of them?

Exactly. I think I could play only one, but then it would have no effect, just IRL.

[Qvist]

Ok, I didn't do a fulll reread, but I have a question because the Role Madness confuses me:
If Morgrim indeed has 4 cards in hand, does it really mean he is townie?

Young Nick is the player to my right, joth. But I'm not sure if I understood your plan.
So if Young Nick is scum he will clearly choose himself right?
And if ashersky isn't lying, you will shoot me what's bad for us because I'm town.
If Young Nick isn't scum he will clearly choose someone obvtown, but then you're still in the same dilemma unless Young Nick does something WIFOM, then you should probably shoot him anyway. And if we know ashersky is lying, then you should shoot him anyway.

I will do some research now and try figuring out what cards Young Nick has still in his hand as he is my right player.