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[Qvist]

shraeye Medic draws Moscow, Cairo

Infector: Johannesburg, Atlanta, Lima



Player 1: Jimmmmm Scientist (white)
Manila, Kolkata, Tehran, Los Angeles, Khartoum, Milan, Osaka

Player 2: SwitchedFromStarcraft Researcher
Sydney, Beijing, Seoul, Forecast, Chicago
Forecast Examine the top 6 cards of the Infection Draw Pile, rearrange them in the order of your choice, then place them back on the pile.

Player 3: Schneau Operations Expert
Atlanta, Bangkok, Karachi, Madrid, Tokyo, Dehli

Player 4: shraeye Medic
Algiers, Istanbul, Moscow, Cairo


Jimmmmm's next.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Nice draw Shraeye, we may be able to win this after all.

Jimm, you're grabbing three red cards from me and curing red, right?

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Unless I've missed something, this is a possible endgame, even if our card draws do not improve (quantities in red are cards remaining in Player Card draw pile, which currently has 18 cards left):

Jimm takes 3 red cards from me (using 3 actions) and cures red with his final action  16 left

SFS drives to Toronto, autotreats all blue, drives to Chicago, autotreats all blue. 14 left

Schneau flies to Madrid, drives to Algiers, drives to Cairo, treats one cube. 12 left

Shraeye drives to Shanghai (treating for free en passant), to Hong Kong, to Kolkata, to Delhi.10 left

Jim flies to Khartoum (discarding Khartoum), treats, drives to Jo'berg, treats. 8 left

SFS autotreats yellow, drives to Atlanta, autotreats blue, has action left. 6 left

Schneau drives to Baghdad, drives to Karachi, drives to Delhi, and builds a Research Station 4 left

Shraeye shares knowledge by taking the Delhi card from Schneau, and cures black.  We win immediately upon 4th cure - Shraeye need not draw cards.

Now, I haven't considered all the data (top of infection deck, or where we are on upcoming epidemics), I just wanted to get this down.  But I think this may work regardless, and here's why. We currently have no 3-cube cities. And only a handful of 2-cube cities, most of which I've covered with the moves above. The current 2-cube cities that don't get treated under the above plan are Riyadh and Sao Paulo, so that needs to be looked at, but the cities around them will not chain, and we can afford a single additional outbreak.  Plus, we should be getting some special event cards that will help even more. Thoughts?

[Schneau]

I'm V/LA for the next 48 hours or so. But, after skimming SFS's suggestion, it looks basically good, though I'm wondering if we can win sooner.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

I'm V/LA for the next 48 hours or so. But, after skimming SFS's suggestion, it looks basically good, though I'm wondering if we can win sooner.

Possible, especially with draws.  I just wanted to show we had a high likelihood of winning, no matter what.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

I'm V/LA for the next 48 hours or so. But, after skimming SFS's suggestion, it looks basically good, though I'm wondering if we can win sooner.

Are you going to post your standard status-update post before you go, or should I cut and paste the last one, update it, and post it?  I don't mind, if you don't have time.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Infection discard: New York, Toronto, Seoul, Lima, Johannesburg, Atlanta,
Infection top of deck (don't know order):  Bogotá, Los Angeles,  Ho Chi Minh City, Chicago, Paris, Mexico City, Madrid, Cairo, Riyadh, Miami, Beijing, Istanbul, Sao Paulo

Player Card Draw Pile (don't know order, except cycle for Epidemic - sorry for non-yellow on "yellow" cities):
Paris, Essen   Buenos Aires, Kinshasa, Jo'berg     Baghdad, Riyadh, Mumbai, Chennai      Shanghai, Hong Kong, HCM City, Jakarta    Gov't. Grant; One Quiet Nt.; Resilient Popul. EPIDEMIC  EPIDEMIC 

Critical Cities:

Yellow - none
Blue - none
Red - none
Black - none

Epidemic Schedule:

------------------- 1st Epidemic Cycle
2 - Jimmmmm
2 - SFS (EPIDEMIC)
2 - Schneau (safe)
2 - shraeye (safe)
2 - Jimmmmm (safe)
------------------- 2nd Epidemic Cycle
2 - SFS (EPIDEMIC)
2 - Schneau (safe)
2 - shraeye (safe)
2 - Jimmmmm (safe)
2 - SFS (safe)
------------------- 3rd Epidemic Cycle
2 - Schneau - (no epidemic)
2 - shraeye (no epidemic)
2 - Jimmmmm (no epidemic)
2 - SFS (no epidemic)
2 - Schneau (EPIDEMIC)
------------------- 4th Epidemic Cycle
2 - shraeye (no epidemic)
2 - Jimmmmm (CURRENT TURN)
2 - SFS
2 - Schneau
2 - shraeye
------------------- 5th (last) Epidemic Cycle
2 - Jimmmmm
2 - SFS
2 - Schneau
2 - shraeye
2 - Jimmmmm

[Jimmmmm]

SFS, I only need 2 of your red cards. Which one do you think you should keep?

[Jimmmmm]

Rules clarification: I need to discard down to seven immediately, as opposed to at the end of my turn, right? Also, does finding the cure count as discarding down to seven, ie can I have eight cards, find the cure, and then still have four cards in hand (as the Scientist)?

[Schneau]

Rules clarification: I need to discard down to seven immediately, as opposed to at the end of my turn, right? Also, does finding the cure count as discarding down to seven, ie can I have eight cards, find the cure, and then still have four cards in hand (as the Scientist)?

After every action you take, you can have at most 7 cards in your hand. So, unfortunately, you have to discard down to 7 after each card you receive from SFS.

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

SFS, I only need 2 of your red cards. Which one do you think you should keep?

I don't think it matters.  I started to say let me keep Beijing in case I draw a black card myself, but by the time my next turn rolled around, Shraeye would likely not be in Beijing, so I think it really doesn't matter which red one I keep.

Perhaps the more important question is which cards do you discard as you take on each of the two red cards coming out of my hand.  I feel that LA is definitely discardable, and Milan likely is.  I've looked through the infection draw cards, and nothing can hurt us too much.  There are 4 cards that could come up and create 3-cube cities: Chicago, Cairo, Riyadh, Sao Paulo.  The plan I outlined above for the endgame takes care of most of those, but only on the timeline I outlined.  If the timing of the cards doesn't co-operate, we could still lose on outbreaks. We can only afford one more.  It may be time to use my forecast, to make sure that these four cities don't go to 3 cubes in the next two turns.  Having said that, I think the forecast will be even more valuable immediately upon the Epidemic hitting, particularly if, by that time, we've drawn One Silent Night.

There is still a lot to think about, but I do feel good about our chances.  I'd like to know what Shraeye thinks, and there was no post in the mafia V/LA thread, so he's likely around this week, even with the American holiday.  I'll be here too.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Rules clarification: I need to discard down to seven immediately, as opposed to at the end of my turn, right? Also, does finding the cure count as discarding down to seven, ie can I have eight cards, find the cure, and then still have four cards in hand (as the Scientist)?

After every action you take, you can have at most 7 cards in your hand. So, unfortunately, you have to discard down to 7 after each card you receive from SFS.

Yes, the rules are quite clear:

"Players have a hand limit of 7 cards. If the number of cards in hand ever exceeds 7 as a result of drawing cards (or performing the Share Knowledge action), the player must immediately discard cards in excess to the Player Discard Pile. Players may choose which cards to discard.  Payers may play Special Event cards (including any they have just drawn) instead of discarding them, to help reduce their hand to 7."

Edit to add this thought:  (This won't apply to Jim's question, as he can see all the cards in my hand before "drawing" any of them.) Could the plural "cards" (now in red in the quote of the rules) be interpreted to mean that there is not necessarily a 1:1 correspondence between exceeding 7 cards and reducing handsize to 7?  In other words, if a player has 7 cards, comes to the end of his turn, and draws two more, is he allowed to see both of the drawn cards before deciding on his first discard, then his second?  I would argue that seeing both cards to be drawn before discarding any cards is permissible, for at least two reasons (in no particular order):

1) The lack of the word "immediately" in the applicable rule, as opposed to the language elsewhere in the rules that specifies the "immediate" win upon curing the 4th disease.
2) The little reminder in the lower right-hand corner of the board on "the order of play".  If, in drawing 2 cards, an epidemic is encountered, we resolve the epidemic before discarding down to seven cards. This specifically counters an interpretation such as "After every action you take, you can have at most 7 cards in your hand."
3) Qvist has already allowed this to happen.  Shraeye at one point had 9 cards in his hand, and was allowed to discard two cards after the fact.

[Schneau]

Yup, you always draw your white cards together, and then decide which to discard.

[Jimmmmm]

I have one spare action after finding the cure. Any thoughts what I should do with it? I could fly via RSs to Jo'burg, or fly to Tehran so I can meet shraeye in Kolkata next turn if necessary, or just drive to Toronto planning to deal with blue next turn?

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

I have one spare action after finding the cure. Any thoughts what I should do with it? I could fly via RSs to Jo'burg, or fly to Tehran so I can meet shraeye in Kolkata next turn if necessary, or just drive to Toronto planning to deal with blue next turn?

I think I can handle the North America cities.  The Riyadh/Cairo thing is vaguely worrisome, but we also need an RS over in Asia for Shraeye to cure black even if we can give him a card, so we need to consider that if we want to try to win faster than the endgame I proposed.  I don't know what to say.

[shraeye]

I'm unfortunately unable to think today.  You all have very solid plans, and I trust your judgement.

[Jimmmmm]

Okay, I think I'll fly to Tehran so I'm in the best position to possible to either treat Cairo or Riyadh, build a Research Station or share knowledge with shraeye.

(Discard Los Angeles and Milan)

Share Knowledge with SFS, taking Sydney
Share Knowledge with SFS, taking Beijing
Find the Red cure (discard Manila, Osaka, Sydney and Beijing)
Direct Flight to Tehran (discard Tehran)

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Okay, I think I'll fly to Tehran so I'm in the best position to possible to either treat Cairo or Riyadh, build a Research Station or share knowledge with shraeye.

(Discard Los Angeles and Milan)

Share Knowledge with SFS, taking Sydney
Share Knowledge with SFS, taking Beijing
Find the Red cure (discard Manila, Osaka, Sydney and Beijing)
Direct Flight to Tehran (discard Tehran)

You'll need a card to build a research station, and you can't use Kolkata because you may need to give it to Shraeye.

We can hope that one of you draws a black card, or a red card for a nearby city.

[Jimmmmm]

Yeah, I meant either build in Kolkata or give it to shraeye, whatever would be more helpful.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Yeah, I meant either build in Kolkata or give it to shraeye, whatever would be more helpful.

There are 4 black cards and 4 red cards left to be drawn, plus the government grant card, so we should be ok. 

[Qvist]

Jimmmmm Scientist (white) draws Jakarta, Baghdad

Infector: Mexico City, Los Angeles, Cairo



Player 1: Jimmmmm Scientist (white)
Kolkata, Khartoum, Jakarta, Baghdad

Player 2: SwitchedFromStarcraft Researcher
Seoul, Forecast, Chicago
Forecast Examine the top 6 cards of the Infection Draw Pile, rearrange them in the order of your choice, then place them back on the pile.

Player 3: Schneau Operations Expert
Atlanta, Bangkok, Karachi, Madrid, Tokyo, Dehli

Player 4: shraeye Medic
Algiers, Istanbul, Moscow, Cairo


SwitchedFromStarcraft's next.

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Infection discard: New York, Toronto, Seoul, Lima, Johannesburg, Atlanta, Mexico City, Los Angeles, Cairo
Infection top of deck (don't know order):  Bogotá,  Ho Chi Minh City, Chicago, Paris, Madrid, Riyadh, Miami, Beijing, Istanbul, Sao Paulo

Player Card Draw Pile (don't know order, except cycle for Epidemic - sorry for non-yellow on "yellow" cities):
Paris, Essen   Buenos Aires, Kinshasa, Jo'berg     Riyadh, Mumbai, Chennai      Shanghai, Hong Kong, HCM City    Gov't. Grant; One Quiet Nt.; Resilient Popul. EPIDEMIC  EPIDEMIC 

Critical Cities:

Yellow - none
Blue - none
Red - none
Black - Cairo

Epidemic Schedule:

------------------- 1st Epidemic Cycle
2 - Jimmmmm
2 - SFS (EPIDEMIC)
2 - Schneau (safe)
2 - shraeye (safe)
2 - Jimmmmm (safe)
------------------- 2nd Epidemic Cycle
2 - SFS (EPIDEMIC)
2 - Schneau (safe)
2 - shraeye (safe)
2 - Jimmmmm (safe)
2 - SFS (safe)
------------------- 3rd Epidemic Cycle
2 - Schneau - (no epidemic)
2 - shraeye (no epidemic)
2 - Jimmmmm (no epidemic)
2 - SFS (no epidemic)
2 - Schneau (EPIDEMIC)
------------------- 4th Epidemic Cycle
2 - shraeye (no epidemic)
2 - Jimmmmm (no epidemic)
2 - SFS (CURRENT TURN)
2 - Schneau
2 - shraeye
------------------- 5th (last) Epidemic Cycle
2 - Jimmmmm
2 - SFS
2 - Schneau
2 - shraeye
2 - Jimmmmm

[SwitchedFromStarcraft]

Well, with Cairo now critical, I can drive there and treat one cube, but I feel like I need to stay in NA and treat. How else can we treat Cairo quickly, with Epidemic becoming more likely each turn?

With Jimm in black territory, and Schneau able to get to that area quickly by spending one of his two black cards, it seems to me that we just need to work out the best way to get Shraeye one more black card, from either Jim (likely in Kolkata) or from Schneau (likely in Delhi). Having a Res. Station nearby or in the city where the transfer of card occurs will be critical, and that will fall to Schneau, either in his next turn, or in his final turn.

Unless you want me to go to Cairo now and treat, then I recommend this as Schneau's next turn:
Fly to Karachi (discarding Karachi), drive to Baghdad, drive to Cairo, treat one cube.  On his final turn, Schneau would drive to Baghdad, drive to Karachi, drive to Delhi, and build an RS, and on Shraeye's final turn, he would gain the Delhi card from Schneau (having driven 4 legs to Delhi on his previous turn) and cure black.

Meanwhile, Jim is in the area to help with treating black.  In the alternative, we might be able to work out some scenario where JImm gives the Kolkata card to Shreye, but because a Res. Station is still needed somewhere nearbt, it still ends up the same number of turns, with Shraeye winning two turns from now.

What do we think?

Qvist:  It is HIGHLY likely that we will want to use Forecast on the next Epidemic, after you intensify and reshuffle the infection discards, but before you run the Infector Phase.

[Schneau]

Sorry, I was busy yesterday and will be today as well. But, I'll be back to regular on Monday!