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Also. Everyone please remember. Believing eevee and space and even galzria about their claims is independent of whether they are scum or not.

Masons are explicitly town, so believing that claim does make them town

[Galzria]

If Teproc and O are scum then scum wins and that'll be that IMO.

That's not really acceptable. There's no reason not to question it. Have you gone back and reread them? Do you have reason to just accept their claim? Why so willing to throw in the towel if they're scum?

I feel like their claim is a lot more likely coming from town than from scum, I feel like we're at an enormous disadvantage right now, and I don't feel like lynching a mason to lose the game on D4. If they're both alive in a few days, we can look back on it, and I phrased myself badly. But I'm not lynching them today.

We don't have "a few days", unless we lynch the Poisoner today. Even if we lynch any other member of the Mafia team, we're still in LyLo tomorrow. At that point there would be just 2 scum left. There is no scenario outside lynching Poisoner today where they are both alive and we are still playing "in a few days".

[Roadrunner7671]

If Teproc and O are scum then scum wins and that'll be that IMO.

That's not really acceptable. There's no reason not to question it. Have you gone back and reread them? Do you have reason to just accept their claim? Why so willing to throw in the towel if they're scum?

I feel like their claim is a lot more likely coming from town than from scum, I feel like we're at an enormous disadvantage right now, and I don't feel like lynching a mason to lose the game on D4. If they're both alive in a few days, we can look back on it, and I phrased myself badly. But I'm not lynching them today.

We don't have "a few days", unless we lynch the Poisoner today. Even if we lynch any other member of the Mafia team, we're still in LyLo tomorrow. At that point there would be just 2 scum left. There is no scenario outside lynching Poisoner today where they are both alive and we are still playing "in a few days".

Oops got me there

[2.71828.....]

Also, that whole shutting down of conversation to quicklynch is townie since iguana was scum

And that has nothing to do with anything; how exactly did it help town?

How did lynching scum help town. Let me count the ways....

But primarily it forced scum to act fast. Would all the scum immediately jump on their partner. It is "townie" to sit around and talk about things. Look at what we are doing here.

Also, given everything (especially if you believe that qvist is telling the truth) town, not scum, are worried about a potential protector of the island. Since (assuming Qvist is town) scum knows they did not have that role. I doubt quicklynching based on that role was thought about. Probably more of a, "well, lynching iguana is going to happen...everyone can bus but let's look townie doing it" conversation.

I just think D3 was a very strong town play from teproc

[Swowl]

OK since I am next in line and we are worried about being stalled.
Does anyone have an objection to keeping the claiming going?

Faust - Just to be clear, what is it that you are opposed to exactly? Claiming at all, or just the order that has been drafted for you?

[O]

I'm absolutely not fine with letting Faust claim bidding info last. It seems incredibly obvious that that enables him to massage the bidding numbers if he so chooses, and he's actually one of the scummier people around anyways.

Faust has yet to even make a case against me and has failed to argue convincingly why me and teproc should have to fully claim before he even partially claims.

[Swowl]

Just to be clear I was not saying he should bid last. I thought the idea of Qivst choosing was a good one. I actually do no have an issue with the current order either, I just would rather find a fair middle ground before this becomes a late in the day town vs town situation and we are screwed.

[O]

Just to be clear I was not saying he should bid last. I thought the idea of Qivst choosing was a good one. I actually do no have an issue with the current order either, I just would rather find a fair middle ground before this becomes a late in the day town vs town situation and we are screwed.

Actually you're right, I don't think Qvist will do that anyways and if Qvist does do that there's some interesting verification going on. So sure, I'd agree to Qvist ordering the remaining claims.

[2.71828.....]

 Or we vote faust to L-1 and get him to claim then.

[O]

Or we vote faust to L-1 and get him to claim then.

And scum hammer to win the game?
That was my whole point about getting 9/10 people willing to lynch him instead of actually lynching...

[Galzria]

Or we vote faust to L-1 and get him to claim then.

And scum hammer to win the game?
That was my whole point about getting 9/10 people willing to lynch him instead of actually lynching...

I would probably lynch him. I want time to get to some rereads first, but I've mentioned before that he's felt off this game. 9/10 means you're expectations is that both his partners state willingness to bus? We need 6 to lynch, which is (without scum helping) 6/7 townies together.

[Galzria]

 Your*, not you're. Autocorrect.

[O]

Or we vote faust to L-1 and get him to claim then.

And scum hammer to win the game?
That was my whole point about getting 9/10 people willing to lynch him instead of actually lynching...

I would probably lynch him. I want time to get to some rereads first, but I've mentioned before that he's felt off this game. 9/10 means you're expectations is that both his partners state willingness to bus? We need 6 to lynch, which is (without scum helping) 6/7 townies together.

I mean my expectation is that he'd claim before getting lynched, so yea, I would expect the other 2 to not necessarily stick their necks out here if he's scum.

[SpaceAnemone]

Quick check-in here before sleep. I absolutely agree that claiming should go ahead.

I think Qvist is almost certainly town, and that there's a high chance the mason people are too. People seem to be townreading Galz surprisingly quickly without significant evidence.

I've been looking at wagons and stuff, trying to pin likelihoods on the rest of the lynchpool, which I think is Galz, e, DatSwan, Eevee, RR and faust. I can write up a series of observations tomorrow at lunchbreak probably, but it's all frustratingly inconclusive. If anyone wants votings stats of any particular type, feel free to ask, and I'll try to oblige if it's something I can pull out of my vote-counter easily enough.

[O]

Quick check-in here before sleep. I absolutely agree that claiming should go ahead.

I think Qvist is almost certainly town, and that there's a high chance the mason people are too. People seem to be townreading Galz surprisingly quickly without significant evidence.

I've been looking at wagons and stuff, trying to pin likelihoods on the rest of the lynchpool, which I think is Galz, e, DatSwan, Eevee, RR and faust. I can write up a series of observations tomorrow at lunchbreak probably, but it's all frustratingly inconclusive. If anyone wants votings stats of any particular type, feel free to ask, and I'll try to oblige if it's something I can pull out of my vote-counter easily enough.

stahp pseudo lurking and help hold Faust's feet over the fire so he actually claims.


And yes, Qvist is very likely town. At the least A) His claimed role is the easiest to assume is town, after mason and B) His claimed role is assumed true unless Eevee flips scum, so lynching him is at the very bottom of the pile.

[Qvist]

Sorry, I was busy, what am I supposed to do?

[Qvist]

Oh claiming order. Let me think about this for a few secs.

[Qvist]

Not sure on complete order, but I want for sure faust to claim first as he was so evasive and delayed his claiming.

[Qvist]

Sadly he is offlne, but he should be claiming as soon as he comes back or I am voting straight for him.

[Galzria]

His next time of activity is usually around 6 hours from now.

[Qvist]

Until I figure out full order, I have a question. What would be the reason to choose Mason as your role? Doesn't sound like a powerful role to me, does it? Would Bomb not be better?

[Qvist]

Also it was Teproc who came up with the whole Poisoner idea right? Given that it was a long con / distraction that probably was planned all along, I find this quite scummy. So it could be that one of Teproc/O is actually the Bomb knowing there is no Mason, and then guarding scum partner Poisoner Teproc/O

I am not really thinking they should claim at the end.

[O]

Bomb is basically a slightly improved one shot Vig?. Vig is a powerful role in that it gives you personally a lot of control over the game, but it's not actually that strong of a role for town.

Mason isn't the highest impact PR but is pretty much at least as strong as an IC (except at LYLO I guess....) and is definitively pro-town.

[O]

Also it was Teproc who came up with the whole Poisoner idea right? Given that it was a long con / distraction that probably was planned all along, I find this quite scummy. So it could be that one of Teproc/O is actually the Bomb knowing there is no Mason, and then guarding scum partner Poisoner Teproc/O

I am not really thinking they should claim at the end.

I'll mostly let Teproc defend it since I didn't comment much in the QT on this plan, but how exactly is the current result worse than not having the poisoner claim D1?

[Qvist]

The more I think of it, I really like the idea of at least one of the mason claim earlier. We should at least should keep the idea alive of them being a scum team. If they are and we let them claim last, the game is already kinda lost. But if we let one of them claim earlier and the other one later, we don't give all that much info to scum if they are indeed Masons.