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2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« on: January 20, 2013, 06:45:57 pm »
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Over the next several days, we'll be posting interviews with each of the Final Four, gathering their thoughts on Dominion, boardgaming, strategy, and their most feared opponent(s).
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2013, 06:50:06 pm »
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Note that we are guaranteed a Europe vs US final.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2013, 06:52:20 pm »
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Note that we are guaranteed a Europe vs US final.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2013, 08:33:50 pm »
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Maaan... Stef is totally destroying the poll.
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...spin-offs are still better for all of the previously cited reasons.
But not strictly better, because the spinoff can have a different cost than the expansion.
I hereby declare myself the best dominion player in the world. Obviously.

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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2013, 09:05:27 pm »
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Maaan... Stef is totally destroying the poll.

I voted for him.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2013, 09:24:25 pm »
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No pressure stef
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2013, 11:06:12 pm »
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I really like this final four - all highly skilled superfreaks from my somewhat limited experience playing them. I voted for stef, but lespeutere should give him a run for his money - experience doesn't hurt and they are both playing lights out. Obi vs stef with stef taking it sounds about right.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 03:53:19 am »
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I think I need some sparring. Anyone feeling like being able to mimick -Stef-?  ::)
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 03:58:37 am »
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Note that we are guaranteed a Europe vs US final.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

EU! EU! EU! EU! EU! ;)
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 05:15:34 am »
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Anyone remember at one point during isodom discussion someone mentioning a Ryder Cup style thing?
Now we have mini Ryder Cup  8)
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 05:20:47 am »
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Well, there are no "pretenders" amongst these four which definitely says something about the "luck vs skill" argument.

I'm rooting for my fellow Dutchie -Stef- of course.  ;)
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 06:36:24 am »
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I'm supportung lespeutere of course, but -Stef- is probably not the easiest semifinal opponent imaginable.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2013, 08:17:47 am »
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On the other hand, these are some matches I would definitely want to watch on YouTube! Too bad Iso doesn't have a spectator mode or something. :(
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 08:48:54 am »
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Note that we are guaranteed a Europe vs US final.

Lucky drawing for the americans.  :D
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 09:07:35 am »
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On the other hand, these are some matches I would definitely want to watch on YouTube! Too bad Iso doesn't have a spectator mode or something. :(

I will record our match unless there is a serious obstacle.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2013, 10:28:48 am »
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On the other hand, these are some matches I would definitely want to watch on YouTube! Too bad Iso doesn't have a spectator mode or something. :(

I will record our match unless there is a serious obstacle.
Okay great, looking forward to it!!

Still, some sort of "replayer" functionality as some of you may know from various Poker software would have been an awesome Iso feature.
Maybe Goko?  8) :D
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2013, 10:36:49 am »
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Still, some sort of "replayer" functionality as some of you may know from various Poker software would have been an awesome Iso feature.
Maybe Goko?  8) :D
Oce Goko logs contain really all information about the game (some is still missing, but those are mostly bugs) it should be possible to make an external replayer that, fed with game log, shows how it went.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2013, 11:45:31 am »
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On the other hand, these are some matches I would definitely want to watch on YouTube! Too bad Iso doesn't have a spectator mode or something. :(

I will record our match unless there is a serious obstacle.

Do you have a YouTube channel on which you will post the videos?
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2013, 11:51:02 am »
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On the other hand, these are some matches I would definitely want to watch on YouTube! Too bad Iso doesn't have a spectator mode or something. :(

I will record our match unless there is a serious obstacle.

Do you have a YouTube channel on which you will post the videos?

http://www.youtube.com/user/lespeutere

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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2013, 11:58:37 am »
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Still, some sort of "replayer" functionality as some of you may know from various Poker software would have been an awesome Iso feature.
Maybe Goko?  8) :D
Oce Goko logs contain really all information about the game (some is still missing, but those are mostly bugs) it should be possible to make an external replayer that, fed with game log, shows how it went.

Well, that's definitely a project I could see myself using my moderate programming skills on. After implementing about a third of the cards I got tired of my own Dominion implementation. But I could use the code base to implement a replayer. For most Iso logs it should also be possible to backtrack the deck states as long as there's no crazy stuff going on.
Of course it would still be cool to finish all the cards at least for "hot-seat solitaire" play so you could take over at any point in the replay and try stuff.

On a more on-topic note I'm already very excited to see which of these fine gentlemen is going to take the win.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2013, 12:06:01 pm »
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For most Iso logs it should also be possible to backtrack the deck states as long as there's no crazy stuff going on.

"Crazy stuff" is only Masquerade currently, right?
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2013, 12:14:38 pm »
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For most Iso logs it should also be possible to backtrack the deck states as long as there's no crazy stuff going on.

"Crazy stuff" is only Masquerade currently, right?

Yeah, I think so.
And for other stuff it doesn't matter much although it might sometimes be interesting - like in what order was the rest of your deck before you played Chancellor?
When stuff is trashed I think Iso always writes what you trashed, so there shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2013, 12:17:52 pm »
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If logs are good enough, there's no crazy stuff at all. Iso logs unfortunately are not, even if you simply draw cards mid-turn, they don't say what cards you drew.

Deck state (how many copies of each card each player has) can be tracked on Iso even during the game (that's what the point couter extension is doing). But what is currently in deck and in discard can't be tracked even post-game.
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2013, 01:23:07 pm »
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Rather impressive that three of the top four ranked people made the final four. Guess the Iso ranking is pretty accurate and 7 games is long enough to weed out most of the luck factor =)
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Re: 2012 DominionStrategy.com Championships: Final Four
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2013, 05:55:07 pm »
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Deck state (how many copies of each card each player has) can be tracked on Iso even during the game

Except for Masquerade.
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