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Schedule & Rules
« on: December 02, 2012, 08:00:44 pm »
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The current round is Division Finals.  The current round ends on January 20, 2012, 11:59:59PM EST.

Overall schedule:

StartEnd
Dec 3Dec 9Round 1
Dec 10Dec 16Round 2
Dec 17Dec 23Round 3
Dec 24Dec 30Round 4
Dec 31Jan 6Round 4
Jan 7Jan 13Division Semifinals
Jan 14Jan 20Division Finals

The Ten Official Rules

1. Registration will close in one week, on Sunday, December 2 at 11:59:59PM EST, or after 256 players have registered, whichever is first.

2. Registration is first-come first-serve, with one exception. Any player with an Isotropic level over 35, or any quarterfinalist from the 2011 DominionStrategy.com Championships who registers after registration has closed (but before December 2) will be permitted a wildcard entry, replacing the last person to register. There is a maximum of 16 such wildcard entries. In other words, the first 240 to register are guaranteed to compete, and the last 16 to register may be subject to replacement by a high-ranking wildcard.

3. To register, fill in this form. We require all entrants to register on the forum so that they can keep up with their games and avoid no-shows. If you are not registered on the forum you will not be permitted to compete.

4. Players will be seeded into a single-elimination bracket. Seeds will be determined by Isotropic rankings on a date of our choice. Any player who does not appear on the Isotropic leaderboard will receive either an appropriate seed based on past Isotropic leaderboard rankings, or be unseeded. Please be sure to play at least one game on Isotropic this week so that you can appear on the leaderboard.

5. Every game will be a 2-player game and must be played on Isotropic. Each round will last for one week. The first round begins on Monday, December 3 and ends on Sunday, December 9.

6. Each match will be first to four wins (ties do not count). Players may, upon mutual consent, agree to play under any constraints they wish (e.g., with/without veto mode, sets limited to a particular expansion, with/without point counter, identical starting hands). If the players are unable to reach an agreement, they shall play with randomly selected cards (excluding any fan-made cards), no veto mode, identical starting hands, and the official point counter. Use of unofficial point counters, notepads, etc. is not prohibited.

7. The most recent losing player should go first in the next game; Isotropic should automatically give starting position to the person who most recently lost. If the match has already been completed, however, failure to alternate starting positions is not grounds to dispute the match result. First player in the first game of the match is determined by whichever player is "on top" in the bracket.

8. Players are expected to arrange convenient times to play with their opponents. In the event of a dispute, players can provide evidence of their presence on Isotropic at the agreed-upon time by linking to an Isotropic log of themselves playing a solitaire game at that time. If neither player submits such evidence, both will forfeit.

9. Results must be posted in this forum topic with links to Isotropic logs. Please remember to grab Isotropic logs immediately after every game. We greatly encourage players to review their games and discuss the match in the topic.

10. The winner of the tournament will receive a copy of any Dominion expansion.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2012, 08:08:24 pm »
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Fos:theory.  Didn't you see my post in vla???
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 06:20:08 am »
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While testing my PM email notifications, I found GMail was sending (at least) some of them to spam.

I hope no one gets DQ'd because of that.  Maybe a notice should be sent out? 
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 11:36:27 am »
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Under rule #7, it states that the first player in the first game of a match should be determined by whoever is "on top" in the bracket.  This can only be achieved by using the tournament lobby.  Right?

Also, I just wanted to clarify that this rule literally means the player listed on top in the challonge bracket and not necessarily the higher seed.  They are all the higher seeds for round 1 but not after that if there are any upsets.  Am I understanding this correctly?
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 11:38:46 am »
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Under rule #7, it states that the first player in the first game of a match should be determined by whoever is "on top" in the bracket.  This can only be achieved by using the tournament lobby.  Right?

Also, I just wanted to clarify that this rule literally means the player listed on top in the challonge bracket and not necessarily the higher seed.  They are all the higher seeds for round 1 but not after that if there are any upsets.  Am I understanding this correctly?

Correct. Use tourney lobby for the first game.

And if you upset a higher seed, you get that seeds first turn advantage, so to speak.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2012, 11:43:58 am »
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Not that it's an issue at this point since it's barely been 12 hours, but in the off chance that your opponent does not respond to PMs, do we just forward to the admins as proof?
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2012, 11:57:09 am »
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Not that it's an issue at this point since it's barely been 12 hours, but in the off chance that your opponent does not respond to PMs, do we just forward to the admins as proof?

Yes.  We'll handle on a case-by-case basis.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 12:56:20 pm »
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7. The most recent losing player should go first in the next game; Isotropic should automatically give starting position to the person who most recently lost. If the match has already been completed, however, failure to alternate starting positions is not grounds to dispute the match result. First player in the first game of the match is determined by whichever player is "on top" in the bracket.

In the division thread it says the player with the higher seed is going first in the first game. I assume "higher" means "better" and therefore "lower" there, however my opponent interprets it differently. So for example in a matchup 1 vs 64, who goes first? 1 or 64?
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 01:07:17 pm »
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7. The most recent losing player should go first in the next game; Isotropic should automatically give starting position to the person who most recently lost. If the match has already been completed, however, failure to alternate starting positions is not grounds to dispute the match result. First player in the first game of the match is determined by whichever player is "on top" in the bracket.

In the division thread it says the player with the higher seed is going first in the first game. I assume "higher" means "better" and therefore "lower" there, however my opponent interprets it differently. So for example in a matchup 1 vs 64, who goes first? 1 or 64?

1 - 1 is the top overall seed
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 01:30:02 pm »
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7. The most recent losing player should go first in the next game; Isotropic should automatically give starting position to the person who most recently lost. If the match has already been completed, however, failure to alternate starting positions is not grounds to dispute the match result. First player in the first game of the match is determined by whichever player is "on top" in the bracket.

In the division thread it says the player with the higher seed is going first in the first game. I assume "higher" means "better" and therefore "lower" there, however my opponent interprets it differently. So for example in a matchup 1 vs 64, who goes first? 1 or 64?

I try to avoid higher vs. lower when talking about seeds for this reason, but it still happens. First turn advantage goes to whoever is on top on the challonge bracket. In the case for all round one games, that would be the better seed.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 01:30:55 pm »
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I've only ever heard "high seed" as referring to #1, not #64.  Someone who finishes #1 placed highly, not lowly. 
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 01:33:09 pm »
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Thanks
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2012, 09:50:26 am »
+5

Hypothetical:

I'm playing in a tournament game, and my dog catches fire and I have to go chase it. I type "brb dog on fire". Three minutes go by, and the "Drab Emordnilap is taking a while" dialogue pops in.

1) Is my opponent allowed to force me to resign?
2) If so, does this count as a game loss? A match loss?

I would assume it would just count as me resigning that game, and if I don't get back in contact to finish within the week, only then do I forfeit the match, but it'd probably be better to have someone official say something on the matter, just in case.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 09:56:05 am »
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Depends on wether your dog is blue, I guess.

Also, I assume it's allowed to play games early if both players finished the previous round?
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2012, 10:01:08 am »
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Hypothetical:

I'm playing in a tournament game, and my dog catches fire and I have to go chase it. I type "brb dog on fire". Three minutes go by, and the "Drab Emordnilap is taking a while" dialogue pops in.

1) Is my opponent allowed to force me to resign?
2) If so, does this count as a game loss? A match loss?

I would assume it would just count as me resigning that game, and if I don't get back in contact to finish within the week, only then do I forfeit the match, but it'd probably be better to have someone official say something on the matter, just in case.

I think we would address these on a case-by-case basis.

Also, I assume it's allowed to play games early if both players finished the previous round?

Yes.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2012, 12:06:44 am »
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I think we would address these on a case-by-case basis.


A wild case appears!

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=5765.0
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2012, 02:46:04 pm »
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Hypothetical:

I'm playing in a tournament game, and my dog catches fire and I have to go chase it. I type "brb dog on fire". Three minutes go by, and the "Drab Emordnilap is taking a while" dialogue pops in.

1) Is my opponent allowed to force me to resign?
2) If so, does this count as a game loss? A match loss?

Now you're my new hero, Drab Emordnilap.

EDIT:

Still Laughing.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2012, 12:24:32 am »
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I and my opponent have contacted each other, but we are not able to match (under normal condition) during this weekday/weekend due to our personal schedules don't allow. Could we be allowed to extend Round 1 match for one or two more days?
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2012, 12:38:22 am »
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I and my opponent have contacted each other, but we are not able to match (under normal condition) during this weekday/weekend due to our personal schedules don't allow. Could we be allowed to extend Round 1 match for one or two more days?

Yes.  Try to get it done on Monday if possible.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2012, 01:19:12 am »
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Quoted from Thief Division results:

This was a bittersweet defeat, as at the last game for the match, my opponent declined the random sets twice because it had a goons and a saboteur and he dislikes those cards. Since the rules say that "If the players are unable to reach an agreement, they shall play with randomly selected cards" and we had not agreed (or for that matter, talked about) that declining is acceptable, I was angry that he was skewing said random selection by declining.

He told me that since we hadn't talked about it, he thought it was allowed. We agreed to make a new random selection and accept it no matter what cards came up but, alas, those were cards that I disliked. Predictably, I lost. I accept the defeat and congratulate my opponent, though I still can't shake this sour feeling that there may have been angle-shooting on his part.

I for one feel like such actions denote blatant cheating, and the rules should stipulate that declining for any reason besides an incorrectly-setup game should result in a penalty. Unfortunately this could create some difficulty given the short window for auto-decline.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2012, 02:34:57 am »
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I don't know about anybody else, but I am a little bit uncomfortable with all this "we'll handle this on a case-by-case basis".  I think this is opening the door to all kinds of accusations of favouritism like "player X was disqualified for not responding to PMs and player Y wasn't just because player Y was high ranked and you didn't want him eliminated" etc.

I acknowledge that, no matter what rules you create, there will always be cases that are ambiguous or sit on the boundary, but I think there should be more concrete rules about what will happen in the case of no-shows, forced resignations, DCs and players not cooperating in arranging a match.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2012, 07:14:15 am »
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I don't know about anybody else, but I am a little bit uncomfortable with all this "we'll handle this on a case-by-case basis".  I think this is opening the door to all kinds of accusations of favouritism like "player X was disqualified for not responding to PMs and player Y wasn't just because player Y was high ranked and you didn't want him eliminated" etc.

I acknowledge that, no matter what rules you create, there will always be cases that are ambiguous or sit on the boundary, but I think there should be more concrete rules about what will happen in the case of no-shows, forced resignations, DCs and players not cooperating in arranging a match.

You raise a legitimate point.  It's like the American judicial system. We try to promote fairness by being as transparent as possible. If there's something egregious I think you guys would call us out on it. This probably ends up being more fair than trying to write rules that cover every edge case from the beginning.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2012, 07:16:56 am »
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Quoted from Thief Division results:

This was a bittersweet defeat, as at the last game for the match, my opponent declined the random sets twice because it had a goons and a saboteur and he dislikes those cards. Since the rules say that "If the players are unable to reach an agreement, they shall play with randomly selected cards" and we had not agreed (or for that matter, talked about) that declining is acceptable, I was angry that he was skewing said random selection by declining.

He told me that since we hadn't talked about it, he thought it was allowed. We agreed to make a new random selection and accept it no matter what cards came up but, alas, those were cards that I disliked. Predictably, I lost. I accept the defeat and congratulate my opponent, though I still can't shake this sour feeling that there may have been angle-shooting on his part.

I for one feel like such actions denote blatant cheating, and the rules should stipulate that declining for any reason besides an incorrectly-setup game should result in a penalty. Unfortunately this could create some difficulty given the short window for auto-decline.

I concur. We're considering various options.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2012, 06:15:44 am »
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Dec 24   Dec 30   Round 4
Dec 31   Jan 6   Round 4

Is my understanding correct that the next round is over the span of two weeks? Or do these two lines refer to two separate rounds here?
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2012, 08:32:01 am »
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Two weeks.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2012, 03:44:45 pm »
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Quoted from Thief Division results:

This was a bittersweet defeat, as at the last game for the match, my opponent declined the random sets twice because it had a goons and a saboteur and he dislikes those cards. Since the rules say that "If the players are unable to reach an agreement, they shall play with randomly selected cards" and we had not agreed (or for that matter, talked about) that declining is acceptable, I was angry that he was skewing said random selection by declining.

He told me that since we hadn't talked about it, he thought it was allowed. We agreed to make a new random selection and accept it no matter what cards came up but, alas, those were cards that I disliked. Predictably, I lost. I accept the defeat and congratulate my opponent, though I still can't shake this sour feeling that there may have been angle-shooting on his part.

I for one feel like such actions denote blatant cheating, and the rules should stipulate that declining for any reason besides an incorrectly-setup game should result in a penalty. Unfortunately this could create some difficulty given the short window for auto-decline.

I concur. We're considering various options.

Perhaps the rules should specifically say "Don't decline matches until you get a set you want." However, the rules do state that random sets will be used unless otherwise agreed to. If you are declining sets with cards you don't like, you are in effect manipulating the set--you are NOT playing with a random set, as the rules require.

So even if the player who did this claims he didn't know that was against the rules, I still think it pretty clearly violates them, and that a reasonable person should have guessed that such actions were in very poor sport.

It's up to your interpretation of course, theory, but I am tempted to suggest that they replay their match, or discount and replay all games that occurred after the first instance of someone declining random matches. (Disqualifying the offending player is not entirely uncalled for in my view, but you may deem it too harsh a response.)

Just my thoughts, obviously it's up to other people.
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Re: Schedule & Rules
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2013, 05:34:31 am »
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Hello,

Currently playing with lespeutere, who's playing first after a draw ?
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2013, 06:15:29 am »
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Hello,

Currently playing with lespeutere, who's playing first after a draw ?

Random. Just go in the Secret Chamber lobby and suggest a match.
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