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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1525 on: October 10, 2019, 01:18:57 pm »

Well this duel discussion was pointless, as everyone has claimed no. I voted no too.

Just mcmc to claim on it
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1526 on: October 10, 2019, 01:54:35 pm »

I reread every post for players left in the game, plus a few others. 

I am certain that ADK and robz are not partners. Evidence: 681, 846, 960, 979, 1039, 1269, 1275, 1277, 1278(v), 1479. Also see DS’s posts (1294-1295) that robz/adk can’t be a pairing and things make more sense if you assume ADK is scum and Robz is town.

I'm feeling really good that ADK/e are scumpartners.

ADK in 261 says he didn’t vote for the duel and votes for e no reason given. Also, e in 289 throws some scumpoints to ADK for voting ‘no duel’ and then two minutes later says re-reading setup voids previously allocated scumpoints for ADK.

ADK in 332 questions e’s claim that people said they didn’t want to duel.

@EFHW – remember this 354.

DS joins ADK on e wagon. Does some interesting analysis (more than ADK) on e’s pro-duel vote in ADK v e duel.

369 ADK provides cover on duel vote if e flips scum. I completely disagree with this still.

In 370, ADK gives Joth scumpoints for revealing yes on d1 duel, after it was safe. 379 ADK says if Joth’s case (ADK just gave joth scumpoints) is leading to a pubby case then ADK is in. I bet you are since  pubby’s post in 372 where he says we should vote for e and lynch from the pool of ADK/e.

380 Joth provides case on glooble, ADK calls joth/glooble scumteam.

ADK says (409) Joth’s case on glooble is not good, get’s off e by voting for joth in 412. Super safe and smart to vote for joth here. DS and Pubby are eyeing e and the counter wagon is glooble.


Vote count at post #412   
MiX (1): Awaclus
pubby (2): mcmc, Joseph
e (1): Swan
Eddie (1): pubby
Glooble (3): joth, MiX, Robz
joth (3): Glooble, EFHW, ADK
Not Voting (3): Debate, Eddie, e


ADK says (422) again voting yes for duel (e/joth) is towny. This provides cover to e who voted yes, but conveniently not joth. ADK misses EFHW’s post in 421 where she questions e decision to vote yes for duel and wants to know more about e’s reasoning. In 423 ADK politely asks e if there was a different duel scenario he would have voted no for.

ADK says in 458 scumteam is glooble, joth, mix

ADK 460 votes glooble

ADK 514 votes debatepro after counter wagon quickly spins up on robz: e (508), ds (509), efhw (510), debate (511).

ADK votes e 684: No reason given, immediately votes for Glooble 2 minutes later in 685. This vote occurs at the beginning of day 2. He also votes for e at 1319 at the beginning of day 3. ADK also says they voted yes for E v Awaclus duel because they have been scum reading e 1359. Then ADK does a full reread and comes away with e v awaclus is scum/scum and votes Awaclus. After having voted for e several time when it didn’t matter. E’s response in 1448 is to praise ADK’s post.

One other thing,  I just figured out that bussing pre-duel is a legitimate strategy. It is super low risk, most town players will wait for the duel to try and see if we can get a PR. So voting prior to duel will not get much scrutiny. This is exactly what ADK is doing with e. e doesn't question ADK at all.

E (964) and ADK (972) say PR “should” claim. More e saying pr should claim 984. I bet you all do.


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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1527 on: October 10, 2019, 02:04:50 pm »

I object to Debate leaving himself out of his permutations analysis.  He is in no way IC, and it is misleading to post information that seems comprehensive but which is actually incomplete.

I am more certain of my alignment than Joseph's and he is the IC. The "does/doesn't include oneself as a possibility" argument is always a dead end, you are dammed if you do and damned if you don't... it's NIA.

You've played with me probably more than anyone else left in this game, and your coming away from every post I've made in this game questioning my alignment?

Where did you ended up in your reread of AD?. Even if you left your notes at home, your very smart and have a good memory.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1528 on: October 10, 2019, 02:05:38 pm »

@mcmc - where are you at on ADK and e? Has your position changed over time,if so why?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1529 on: October 10, 2019, 04:17:46 pm »

I object to Debate leaving himself out of his permutations analysis.  He is in no way IC, and it is misleading to post information that seems comprehensive but which is actually incomplete.

I am more certain of my alignment than Joseph's and he is the IC. The "does/doesn't include oneself as a possibility" argument is always a dead end, you are dammed if you do and damned if you don't... it's NIA.

You've played with me probably more than anyone else left in this game, and your coming away from every post I've made in this game questioning my alignment?

Where did you ended up in your reread of AD?. Even if you left your notes at home, your very smart and have a good memory.
No, this is incorrect.  When you say "look at all the possible choices" and they aren't all the possible choices, that is scummy. Including yourself is not damning. Your claimed certainty about your alignment is unfortunately not relevant from my POV. Yes, I question your alignment. I've been giving you space because I feel bad for mislynching you in another game. But everything you have done could just as easily come from scum as from town.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1530 on: October 10, 2019, 04:19:18 pm »

So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

joseph's claim read way more like the conspiracy theory could be true in retrospect but if that's the case I'm pretty sure that we're doomed

I'm ready to vote EFHW or Robz
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1531 on: October 10, 2019, 04:21:54 pm »

Follow up -- Thanks for the compliments,  but it took me a couple hours to do the ADK VCA. I remember having a good scum narrative but I'm on vacation so the details will have to wait.

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1532 on: October 10, 2019, 04:29:03 pm »

I do remember thinking either Robz or ADK could be e partners, so I agree with Debate there, but that's not a strong argument while we don't know e's alignment.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1533 on: October 10, 2019, 05:04:39 pm »

So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

What about e?

Also, which posts from MCMC feel like “genuine scumhunting”. And which posts from Robz/EFHW see like partner interaction.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1534 on: October 10, 2019, 05:17:05 pm »

So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

What about e?

Also, which posts from MCMC feel like “genuine scumhunting”. And which posts from Robz/EFHW see like partner interaction.

e's about as likely to be the third partner as you are. Maybe a little more.

When it comes to mcmc, I'd honestly have a hard time picking out exactly what makes him read towny to me right now. If I had to point to anything specific it was his D1 posts where he seem to be prodding people and scrutinizing reactions

For Robz/EFHW I suppose I would point specifically to their D1 fight about the duel and some of their posts yesterday about awaclus

I realize that not posting links to specific posts isn't particularly helpful but honestly I'm starting to feel exhausted by this game
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1535 on: October 10, 2019, 05:39:05 pm »

So for ADKe
Scumteam is: Robz, EFHW, {e,debatepro}
Townteam is: MCMC, perhaps Joseph (1531),  {debatepro, e}
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1536 on: October 10, 2019, 08:10:41 pm »

@robz and e - where are you a im/possible pairing and why?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1537 on: October 11, 2019, 04:22:48 am »

Vote Count 5.2

Not Voting (7): e, mcmcsalot, Robz888, A Drowned Kernel, Debatepro, Joseph2302, EFHW

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 5 ends on October 15, 10:00 Forum Time.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1538 on: October 11, 2019, 06:48:47 am »

We’re one Lynch away from losing, so we may be more likely to see scum put partners in their lists.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1539 on: October 12, 2019, 09:54:04 am »

SS: can we get a prod for e and Robz? It’s been almost 3 days
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1540 on: October 12, 2019, 10:35:38 am »

Sorry, I'm here
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1541 on: October 12, 2019, 10:35:46 am »

I had a dream that ADK was scum.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1542 on: October 12, 2019, 10:36:08 am »

But it was just a dream.

I'm ready to vote
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1543 on: October 12, 2019, 10:36:39 am »

Vote: ADK
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1544 on: October 12, 2019, 10:42:47 am »

vote: efhw
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1545 on: October 12, 2019, 11:03:18 am »

Sorry, got a bit behind here.

Arrived back just in time for some action with those votes
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1546 on: October 12, 2019, 11:07:21 am »

So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

joseph's claim read way more like the conspiracy theory could be true in retrospect but if that's the case I'm pretty sure that we're doomed

I'm ready to vote EFHW or Robz

So of the two you think EFHW is more lynch-able or more likely to flip scum?

Or you just don't want to give the appearance of OMGUS
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1547 on: October 12, 2019, 11:29:39 am »

Went back through debates post and looked up some of the references and I really like some of his conclusions.

ADK, do you think debate is town or scum?

If town, which scum pairing that he eliminates in his rationale is a (or the) bad removal. Because he ends with you scum no matter which way you look at it.

The ADK, mcmc, EFHW team looks very intriguing to me at the moment.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1548 on: October 12, 2019, 11:50:15 am »

So I didn't take extensive notes on this reread but here's my thoughts:

mcmc is a townread, his posts feel like the most genuine scumhunting out of all of them

EFHW and Robz have the most posts that feel like partner interactions

joseph's claim read way more like the conspiracy theory could be true in retrospect but if that's the case I'm pretty sure that we're doomed

I'm ready to vote EFHW or Robz

So of the two you think EFHW is more lynch-able or more likely to flip scum?

Or you just don't want to give the appearance of OMGUS

More likely to flip scum, but I could vote either way
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 5)
« Reply #1549 on: October 12, 2019, 11:52:49 am »

Went back through debates post and looked up some of the references and I really like some of his conclusions.

ADK, do you think debate is town or scum?

If town, which scum pairing that he eliminates in his rationale is a (or the) bad removal. Because he ends with you scum no matter which way you look at it.

The ADK, mcmc, EFHW team looks very intriguing to me at the moment.

I'd like to think debate is scum just for my ego's sake but I'm less certain there than on robz/efhw. If he's town then you're much more likely to be scum just by poe
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