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[Awaclus]

No. I am voting for you because I don't like your reason for voting Glooble. It feels a scummy sort of opportunistic

Why would scum!me kill MiX if I wanted to lynch Glooble?

Are you kidding? Framing me is the best rationale I can think of for scum to NK MiX.

A better rationale is to get rid of someone who might vote for one of their teammates.

[jotheonah]

Both flips are people I was pretty sure were town anyway, so I’m skeptical I’m going to get much from a re-read.

There was a lot of talk yesterday about Robz and pubby and if they could be partners. Was the conclusion that they probably were on the same team or probably were on opposite teams? I can’t remember.

[EFHW]

It was mostly just me. Opposite.

[EFHW]

Scratch that,  what I said was that weren't scum partners.

[Robz888]

Night result woulda been super great right now. Ah well, there's always tomorrow. DUEL!

[Robz888]

Final Vote Count Day 1

e (2): Uncleeurope, DatSwan
Robz888 (4): Debatepro, pubby, Glooble, jotheonah
pubby (8): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, MiX, EFHW, e

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Let's look for scum on the pubby wagon.

I have a slight (though not strong) town read on mcmc, just because I think he'd be more active if he was coming back for his first game in a while and drew scum.

Joseph's pro-duel stance makes him read town to me. EFHW is fighting with me the way she usually does as town.

That leaves Awaclus, ADK, and E. Could see scum among any of those.

I guess if either ADK or E were scum, probably mafia woulda really wanted not to duel, right? So scum there seems perhaps more likely.

[jotheonah]

Final Vote Count Day 1

e (2): Uncleeurope, DatSwan
Robz888 (4): Debatepro, pubby, Glooble, jotheonah
pubby (8): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, MiX, EFHW, e

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Let's look for scum on the pubby wagon.

I have a slight (though not strong) town read on mcmc, just because I think he'd be more active if he was coming back for his first game in a while and drew scum.

Joseph's pro-duel stance makes him read town to me. EFHW is fighting with me the way she usually does as town.

That leaves Awaclus, ADK, and E. Could see scum among any of those.

I guess if either ADK or E were scum, probably mafia woulda really wanted not to duel, right? So scum there seems perhaps more likely.

You forgot an important contributor to the pubby wagon...

[A Drowned Kernel]

So are we going to duel today?

If we get the right candidates, sure

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also, vote: e

[A Drowned Kernel]

No, scratch that, vote: glooble

[Robz888]

Final Vote Count Day 1

e (2): Uncleeurope, DatSwan
Robz888 (4): Debatepro, pubby, Glooble, jotheonah
pubby (8): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, MiX, EFHW, e

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Let's look for scum on the pubby wagon.

I have a slight (though not strong) town read on mcmc, just because I think he'd be more active if he was coming back for his first game in a while and drew scum.

Joseph's pro-duel stance makes him read town to me. EFHW is fighting with me the way she usually does as town.

That leaves Awaclus, ADK, and E. Could see scum among any of those.

I guess if either ADK or E were scum, probably mafia woulda really wanted not to duel, right? So scum there seems perhaps more likely.

You forgot an important contributor to the pubby wagon...

This is not a useful comment. Obviously I am not going to list myself as one of the likelier scums on the pubby wagon, since I know I am not scum.

[jotheonah]

Final Vote Count Day 1

e (2): Uncleeurope, DatSwan
Robz888 (4): Debatepro, pubby, Glooble, jotheonah
pubby (8): mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, Awaclus, A Drowned Kernel, MiX, EFHW, e

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Let's look for scum on the pubby wagon.

I have a slight (though not strong) town read on mcmc, just because I think he'd be more active if he was coming back for his first game in a while and drew scum.

Joseph's pro-duel stance makes him read town to me. EFHW is fighting with me the way she usually does as town.

That leaves Awaclus, ADK, and E. Could see scum among any of those.

I guess if either ADK or E were scum, probably mafia woulda really wanted not to duel, right? So scum there seems perhaps more likely.

You forgot an important contributor to the pubby wagon...

This is not a useful comment. Obviously I am not going to list myself as one of the likelier scums on the pubby wagon, since I know I am not scum.

It's shady and hypocritical to say scum is on the pubby wagon without offering an explanation for your own role in the wagon, Robz. You were not just begrudgingly pro-pubby lynch, you were pretty enthusiastic about it, despite the fact that I asked you at least twice to back it up with some kind, any kind, of a case and you ignored me. So you can try and direct us to the rest of the pubby wagon, but I'm gonna go ahead and vote for the scummiest person on it until you give me a reason not to.

vote: Robz888

[jotheonah]

First, a reminder of Robz's wholehearted unexplained support of the pubby wagon:

We should lynch pubby and anyone waiting or waffling to drag this out is pathologically anti-town. That is all.

Second, a reminder of my many attempts to solicit an explanation:

I just iso'd pubby. ... what's the case there? He seems decently townie if a bit lurkish.

We should lynch pubby and anyone waiting or waffling to drag this out is pathologically anti-town. That is all.

I really did miss you Robz. I hope you're not scum.


How is the case on pubby not a pile of nothing?

Robz, you baffle me. No one has articulated a real case on pubby, but you’re gung-ho about his lynch. But now you want a case for debatepro? What’s the difference? Is one of them your partner?

Actually I think vote: Robz has a better chance of hitting scum. Robz, maybe if you answer my question I’ll move my vote.

[Joseph2302]

Because PRs are good, and I can't see how we can win a vanilla 10/3 game

It isn't a vanilla 10/3 game.

True, it's s an 11/3 game, now a 9/3 game with just 1 PR. unless we use duals

[A Drowned Kernel]

I honestly don't see the narrative for scum!robz playing the way he is, while that narrative that town! Robz is being lazy and waiting for prs to solve the game for us makes sense

[A Drowned Kernel]

Because PRs are good, and I can't see how we can win a vanilla 10/3 game

It isn't a vanilla 10/3 game.

True, it's s an 11/3 game, now a 9/3 game with just 1 PR. unless we use duals

We can use the duals without blindly voting yes every time

[jotheonah]

I honestly don't see the narrative for scum!robz playing the way he is, while that narrative that town! Robz is being lazy and waiting for prs to solve the game for us makes sense

I’m over that kind of reasoning. It gives scum a free pass to be scummy without even trying to hide it. I’d rather lose a few games lynching scummy townies then give people permission to ply badly as town and give themselves a smokescreen theme they’re scum. Honestly, why would scum!Robz bother trying to be towny if this is how people react when he’s scummy?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I honestly don't see the narrative for scum!robz playing the way he is, while that narrative that town! Robz is being lazy and waiting for prs to solve the game for us makes sense

I’m over that kind of reasoning. It gives scum a free pass to be scummy without even trying to hide it. I’d rather lose a few games lynching scummy townies then give people permission to ply badly as town and give themselves a smokescreen theme they’re scum. Honestly, why would scum!Robz bother trying to be towny if this is how people react when he’s scummy?

I mean he would have to be willing to gamble on people actually giving him that pass, which to be fair I think Robz is an experienced enough player to do, but to me it still seems less likely than "robz was playing a lazy day one"

[Joseph2302]

Because PRs are good, and I can't see how we can win a vanilla 10/3 game

It isn't a vanilla 10/3 game.

True, it's s an 11/3 game, now a 9/3 game with just 1 PR. unless we use duals

We can use the duals without blindly voting yes every time

Yes we can. But D1 you don't know much, and I still believe we would have got more information from it. And a PR

[Robz888]

Joth, I repeatedly—repeatedly!—explained why I wanted to lynch pubby: I had townier reads on the other wagons, and pubby was a person with votes. Was it a strong case? No. Barring extraordinary circumstances, i think it's damn near impossible to pinpoint scum on Day 1, and the longer the day drags on the more we get manipulated by scum. Not in all cases, if we have things to discuss—claims, the results of duels MAYBE—that can help. But when we're all just sitting around shooting in the dark, whatever, good cases are only mildly preferable to bad cases.

[Robz888]

And I've really had enough of this "Robz is anti-town" nonsense. You may disagree with it but I think I'm proposing strategies to eventually catch scum. Joth is voting for me, not because he really actually thinks I'm scum, but because I'm not playing the way he wants me to play. So I guess that makes him anti-town!

[Robz888]

I mean, vote for people who seem likelier to be scum than other people. That's my philosophy. Right now I think that's ADK, E, maybe Awaclus.

[jotheonah]

Ok, Robz, so answer me this: what is it that makes your vote for pubby for no reason townie but other votes for pubby with no reason scummy? Why look for scum on that wagon if you know there’s such an obvious reason for being on it as town?

[jotheonah]

Like you can admit that your day 1 strategy is “lynch whoever we can that I don’t have a townread on”, but you have to accept the consequences of that approach, which, among other things, makes the credibility of your on-wagon Hunt take a big hit.

[jotheonah]

Oh and just to be clear, I do think you’re scum.