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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #275 on: September 02, 2019, 10:32:32 am »

MiX: doesn’t want to lynch e by default

Also MiX: wants to lynch e the regular way instead

Well then I guess ADK's also scum for doing the same thing... I would rather have a real day than a random lynch (E loses the duel everytime anyway) and a one-shot PR.

Meh. That's such a non-post.

I wasn’t calling you scummy for it. Sorry if it came off that way. I was just being flip.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #276 on: September 02, 2019, 10:35:41 am »

MiX: doesn’t want to lynch e by default

Also MiX: wants to lynch e the regular way instead

Well then I guess ADK's also scum for doing the same thing... I would rather have a real day than a random lynch (E loses the duel everytime anyway) and a one-shot PR.

Meh. That's such a non-post.

I wasn’t calling you scummy for it. Sorry if it came off that way. I was just being flip.

Oh. Next time say "lol MiX logic", that would make me laugh  :P
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #277 on: September 02, 2019, 10:43:41 am »

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #278 on: September 02, 2019, 10:43:49 am »

Claiming votes is stupid and we shouldn't do it. Scum can just fakeclaim they voted for the outcome that went through so we don't learn anything useful from it, but scum does.
If they fakeclaim,  the numbers might not add up and POE becomes a thing. Claiming discourages them from trying scummy stuff.

What numbers? We only know that the majority of people voted no. No is a safe fake claim.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #279 on: September 02, 2019, 10:57:26 am »

Claiming votes is stupid and we shouldn't do it. Scum can just fakeclaim they voted for the outcome that went through so we don't learn anything useful from it, but scum does.
If they fakeclaim,  the numbers might not add up and POE becomes a thing. Claiming discourages them from trying scummy stuff.

What numbers? We only know that the majority of people voted no. No is a safe fake claim.

What’s the benefit of not claiming?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #280 on: September 02, 2019, 11:08:37 am »

Check-in:

Claimed yes vote
e

Probable yes vote
Robz888
Joseph2302

Claimed no vote
pubby
mcmcsalot
Glooble
ADK
EFHW
MiX

Hasn't claimed
Awaclus
Debatepro
I0X
joth
DatSwan

So unless all five of us who have yet to claim voted yes, Awaclus is right: this isn't going to tell us anything. And I'm sure you can all figure out how I voted.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #281 on: September 02, 2019, 11:10:21 am »

Claiming votes is stupid and we shouldn't do it. Scum can just fakeclaim they voted for the outcome that went through so we don't learn anything useful from it, but scum does.
If they fakeclaim,  the numbers might not add up and POE becomes a thing. Claiming discourages them from trying scummy stuff.

What numbers? We only know that the majority of people voted no. No is a safe fake claim.

What’s the benefit of not claiming?

Scum doesn't get to know which town players could be convinced to lynch ADK and/or e.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #282 on: September 02, 2019, 11:40:40 am »

MiX: doesn’t want to lynch e by default

Also MiX: wants to lynch e the regular way instead

Well then I guess ADK's also scum for doing the same thing... I would rather have a real day than a random lynch (E loses the duel everytime anyway) and a one-shot PR.

Meh. That's such a non-post.

Hey now, that is totally not true. I don't lose the duel every time. I guess I do have a more abrasive personality than ADK, but still
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #283 on: September 02, 2019, 11:42:44 am »

Also take this into account all you meta people: I lynched myself D1 once because I thought it was the best thing for town.

Was I right? I don't know. But we did win that game
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #284 on: September 02, 2019, 11:44:41 am »

MiX: doesn’t want to lynch e by default

Also MiX: wants to lynch e the regular way instead

Well then I guess ADK's also scum for doing the same thing... I would rather have a real day than a random lynch (E loses the duel everytime anyway) and a one-shot PR.

Meh. That's such a non-post.

Hey now, that is totally not true. I don't lose the duel every time. I guess I do have a more abrasive personality than ADK, but still

Sadly I can't look into the future and see what would happen in 6 days, so your guess is as good as mine. I wasn't ready to lynch you if I thought ADK was townier than you, and that's enough for me to say no to the duel. Although I understand what you're saying and it feels wrong to say that ADK wins the duel everytime, because it's like saying he's better than you. I do think he was townier, and I believe he would generally be townier all day, and we would eventually lynch you. But again, I don't know.

Also take this into account all you meta people: I lynched myself D1 once because I thought it was the best thing for town.

Was I right? I don't know. But we did win that game

Oh yeah you're being scumread I forgot.

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #285 on: September 02, 2019, 11:49:40 am »

I firmly believe that dueling for PRs is a valid strategy.

For all of you who are sold on ADK being town and assume I lose the duel, you don't trust ADK with a PR?

D1 lynch now gives us no benefit unless we catch scum. D1 duel gives us a PR that we can use.

Also, the information gained from no duel is significantly less because so many people claimed to be in the "never duel D1" camp. Assume more people expressed approval of a D1 duel and it doesn't happen. Then we learn something. Or people expressed no duel and then a duel happens. Again, we learn something.

Here we learned that people didn't want to duel, and there was no duel.

Exciting
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #286 on: September 02, 2019, 11:57:09 am »

Sadly I can't look into the future and see what would happen in 6 days, so your guess is as good as mine. I wasn't ready to lynch you if I thought ADK was townier than you, and that's enough for me to say no to the duel.

I will put you in the "never duel" column
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #287 on: September 02, 2019, 11:59:28 am »

Sadly I can't look into the future and see what would happen in 6 days, so your guess is as good as mine. I wasn't ready to lynch you if I thought ADK was townier than you, and that's enough for me to say no to the duel.

I will put you in the "never duel" column

If you think that duel would pass without me you're wrong. You're right that I chickened out tho. Didn't expect ADK, bah.

For all of you who are sold on ADK being town and assume I lose the duel, you don't trust ADK with a PR?

The PR is randomly assigned. Yeeeeeah.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #288 on: September 02, 2019, 12:02:33 pm »

Everyone acknowledges the risk associated with a duel. I also acknowledge the benefits.

Thinking more, it is scummy for ADK to say no to the duel. Sure, I am town, but I would gladly be lynched D1 if it let to a successful cop result.

ADK played the predictable, safe game that scum is able to do in a vanilla game. Which is what we are playing right now. What are we going to "know" for the duel D2? Probably about the same as we know now except (more than likely) we have 2 dead townies.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #289 on: September 02, 2019, 12:04:26 pm »

Sadly I can't look into the future and see what would happen in 6 days, so your guess is as good as mine. I wasn't ready to lynch you if I thought ADK was townier than you, and that's enough for me to say no to the duel.

I will put you in the "never duel" column

If you think that duel would pass without me you're wrong. You're right that I chickened out tho. Didn't expect ADK, bah.

For all of you who are sold on ADK being town and assume I lose the duel, you don't trust ADK with a PR?

The PR is randomly assigned. Yeeeeeah.

Oh, reading the setup carefully is a thing.

Also destroys my whole thing about ADK in the last post
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #290 on: September 02, 2019, 12:05:47 pm »

I was thinking the randomly assigned was the PR from the list of 4. Not the person.

Again, reading for comprehension. It's a thing. Because I did read the setup
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #291 on: September 02, 2019, 12:07:53 pm »

But that makes sense. Otherwise scum would just kill off the person who won the duel if they are town for getting the PR.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #292 on: September 02, 2019, 01:35:42 pm »

Claiming votes is stupid and we shouldn't do it. Scum can just fakeclaim they voted for the outcome that went through so we don't learn anything useful from it, but scum does.
If they fakeclaim,  the numbers might not add up and POE becomes a thing. Claiming discourages them from trying scummy stuff.

What numbers? We only know that the majority of people voted no. No is a safe fake claim.
It wouldn't be an issue in every case, but could become an issue if the numbers for and against were almost equal and the scum wants to lie about their vote.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #293 on: September 02, 2019, 01:43:51 pm »

@EFHW to me voting for a duel you are in looks to me like someone trying very hard to look unconcerned and towny
Seems like e is trying to say that a town:town duel is worth it because of the pr. I don't agree with that, though. The informational cost is high, and the pr could end up being wasted if a scum player is randomly chosen, and we don't know how good the prs are.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #294 on: September 02, 2019, 01:48:13 pm »

It wouldn't be an issue in every case, but could become an issue if the numbers for and against were almost equal and the scum wants to lie about their vote.

It's only an issue if a scummy vote is the majority, which it shouldn't ever be.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #295 on: September 02, 2019, 01:54:16 pm »

I firmly believe that dueling for PRs is a valid strategy.

For all of you who are sold on ADK being town and assume I lose the duel, you don't trust ADK with a PR?

D1 lynch now gives us no benefit unless we catch scum. D1 duel gives us a PR that we can use.

Also, the information gained from no duel is significantly less because so many people claimed to be in the "never duel D1" camp. Assume more people expressed approval of a D1 duel and it doesn't happen. Then we learn something. Or people expressed no duel and then a duel happens. Again, we learn something.

Here we learned that people didn't want to duel, and there was no duel.

Exciting

I believe the "never duel" camp was literally just EFHW
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #296 on: September 02, 2019, 01:56:40 pm »

Claiming votes is stupid and we shouldn't do it. Scum can just fakeclaim they voted for the outcome that went through so we don't learn anything useful from it, but scum does.
If they fakeclaim,  the numbers might not add up and POE becomes a thing. Claiming discourages them from trying scummy stuff.

What numbers? We only know that the majority of people voted no. No is a safe fake claim.

What’s the benefit of not claiming?

None unless you subscribe to awaclus's "town revealing their reads is bad" philosophy
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #297 on: September 02, 2019, 02:20:34 pm »

It wouldn't be an issue in every case, but could become an issue if the numbers for and against were almost equal and the scum wants to lie about their vote.

It's only an issue if a scummy vote is the majority, which it shouldn't ever be.

It's really easy to come up with this scenario: Two townies are dueled, 5 town vote no, 3 town vote yes, 2 scum vote yes. Now when everyone claims you'll realized that scum wanted the duel to pass, which means it's not two scum. This is why it's useful, these scenarios can happen. Also you'll realize that no matter what split scum makes, you'll end up in conflicts. Thus claiming votes is good.

Now, how frequent is this? Well, I think scum wants to force a town vs town duel, especially later in the day, so they would do the above even if it looks bad, and town might vote yes: maybe one of them looks scummy? And I know I would just vote yes on the above as scum, it's a free mislynch.

Scenarios for claiming when there's no duel are weirder, but they stem from the same thing: all town voting for one thing and the other happening. We wouldn't know without claiming votes, so we should definitely claim votes every time.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #298 on: September 02, 2019, 02:30:31 pm »

I think knowing how everyone voted will be useful later when we have flips. So we might as well force people to commit to an answer now?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #299 on: September 02, 2019, 02:30:42 pm »

It wouldn't be an issue in every case, but could become an issue if the numbers for and against were almost equal and the scum wants to lie about their vote.

It's only an issue if a scummy vote is the majority, which it shouldn't ever be.

It's really easy to come up with this scenario: Two townies are dueled, 5 town vote no, 3 town vote yes, 2 scum vote yes. Now when everyone claims you'll realized that scum wanted the duel to pass, which means it's not two scum. This is why it's useful, these scenarios can happen. Also you'll realize that no matter what split scum makes, you'll end up in conflicts. Thus claiming votes is good.

What you mean is this scenario: Two townies are dueled, 5 people vote no, 5 people vote yes. Now when everyone claims you'll have no way of telling the two apart.
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