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Forced Wins Training Sessions
« on: September 12, 2016, 06:10:31 pm »
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I want to get better at finding forced wins. People, post screenshots of games at scenarios, and let's get training. I will submit the first one. This game comes from Game 5 of Qvist versus Gamesou in DL S17, and it is available on YouTube on Qvist's channel. Now... Is there a forced win? If there is, what is it? The answer is in spoilers below:






Play Stonemason twice, trashing both Silvers for x2 Stonemasons. Play Horse Traders, discard Island. Buy Province + Curse for the three-pile.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2016, 06:15:21 pm »
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Another one: Stonemason Silver to Curse and Estate. Play Horse Traders, discarding Island and Stonemason. Play Silver. Buy Ball twice for four Islands.

Then edit your answer like I did to get one more point.

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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2016, 06:16:30 pm »
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alternately, with more points: stonemason trash the other stonemason, gain curse and a copper, play horse traders, discard island and silver, with $11 and 2 buys buy two balls, gaining 4 islands, lose anyway because singletee did it first
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2016, 06:21:15 pm »
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Nice. So the hope is that people can get some practice in, newer and older. I love finding forced wins too. Fun puzzles.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2016, 06:24:53 pm »
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Great idea!
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2016, 07:15:33 pm »
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The pain though is that you pretty much need to be video-recording your match to be able to go back to the instances in time of when something interesting happened, or you made an interesting decision.  Except in a few cases, I don't usually have the wherewithal to take a screenshot mid-turn of a time that would turn out to actually be an interesting snapshot of a game.  But then when the game ends, or I have some sort of epiphany regarding something that happened in the past, I do wish I had recorded it.  Of course, you can always look back at the logs.  But logs aren't as pretty as screenshots, and it's usually hard to figure out the exact game state at some arbitrary decision point.

So yeah, these would be cool, but in reality they're hard to capture.

Of course, this sort of thing might be much easier in the near future.

* We have some nice plans for new features.
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  - Gamelogs where every decision is a link. Clicking on the link allows you to continue playing from that point on.
    This should facilitate questions like "What should I have done here?"
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2016, 07:22:44 pm »
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there is also stonemasonin two silvers into 4stonemasons, playing HT and buying Province/Curse
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2016, 11:15:18 pm »
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Of course, you can always look back at the logs.  But logs aren't as pretty as screenshots, and it's usually hard to figure out the exact game state at some arbitrary decision point.

So yeah, these would be cool, but in reality they're hard to capture.

Of course, this sort of thing might be much easier in the near future.

* We have some nice plans for new features.
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  - Gamelogs where every decision is a link. Clicking on the link allows you to continue playing from that point on.
    This should facilitate questions like "What should I have done here?"

Speaking of which, a while back I tried to create a game-log-to-replay website. It turns out recreating the game state from the logs is really annoying. There are some edge cases I couldn't figure out how to fix.

The work I have so far is at http://goko-replay.herokuapp.com. If you have a log that doesn't use Adventures cards, try it, it may work for you. Don't be surprised if it fails.

Back to an on-topic point. In the picture shown, note that gamesou didn't discard Curse to Mountebank, to gamble on getting a 3-pile before Qvist catches up from his powered up Cities. So, Qvist couldn't have gotten to this point without gamesou doing what he/she did. (Not sure of gamesou's gender.)

If Qvist doesn't play those 3 Mountebanks, is there a way for Qvist to win this turn?

Without the Curses, gamesou has 8 VP. Qvist still has 2 VP.

SM Mountebank into 2 Islands.
SM Mountebank into 2 Islands.
Horse Traders, discard Mountebank + Island.

$7 + 2 buys is SM overpay by $2 and SM for the 3-pile.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2016, 05:31:18 am »
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 :(

Man, I hate missing forced wins, but I just couldn't figure it out. It's especially bad as I lost that match.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2016, 06:01:47 am »
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:(

Man, I hate missing forced wins, but I just couldn't figure it out. It's especially bad as I lost that match.

Poor guy. Not only missing 3 forced wins in a turn, but everyone discussing those forced wins on the forum. :P
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2016, 06:44:17 am »
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(Not sure of gamesou's gender.)

Last time I checked, it was "he".
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2016, 06:55:04 am »
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(Not sure of gamesou's gender.)

Last time I checked, it was "he".

When was that?
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2016, 07:51:33 am »
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(Not sure of gamesou's gender.)

Last time I checked, it was "he".

Pronouns aren't a gender  ::)
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2016, 10:07:20 am »
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Can't he identify himself as a pronoun?
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2016, 10:34:49 am »
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Can't he identify himself as a pronoun?

Careful, sounds to me like you're discriminating against pronouns!
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2016, 10:35:03 am »
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Can't he identify himself as a pronoun?

I suspect this was not what my father expected when he said that one day I'd be somebody.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2016, 11:18:21 am »
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Can't he identify himself as a pronoun?

I guess there's no reason you couldn't if you really wanted to, but I think the confusion would be more trouble than it's worth. Bonus points if you identify as one pronoun but then use a different pronouns for yourself.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2016, 11:35:25 am »
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Thanks, based Chris is me. I know you love your pronouns, but pronouns are not forced wins.  :P I don't want this topic derailed.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2016, 11:40:53 am »
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Can't he identify himself as a pronoun?

I guess there's no reason you couldn't if you really wanted to, but I think the confusion would be more trouble than it's worth. Bonus points if you identify as one pronoun but then use a different pronouns for yourself.

So are you pro pronouns?
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2016, 11:47:52 am »
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Can't he identify himself as a pronoun?

I guess there's no reason you couldn't if you really wanted to, but I think the confusion would be more trouble than it's worth. Bonus points if you identify as one pronoun but then use a different pronouns for yourself.

I identified myself more as an "eh" person anyway.
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2016, 11:54:58 am »
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Can't he identify himself as a pronoun?

I guess there's no reason you couldn't if you really wanted to, but I think the confusion would be more trouble than it's worth. Bonus points if you identify as one pronoun but then use a different pronouns for yourself.

I identified myself more as an "eh" person anyway.

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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2016, 12:32:46 pm »
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Thanks, based Chris is me. I know you love your pronouns, but pronouns are not forced wins.  :P I don't want this topic derailed.

Then post another scenario!
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2016, 09:41:13 pm »
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxDPYnG6tP4 From around 13:00

Not too difficult though
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2016, 10:21:34 pm »
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For reference

Pretty easy. Gain Duchy, trash Stables > Duchy, buy Duchy

Assuming no Rats trash by Transmogrify, Trash Fortress > Duchy, Butcher Duchy > Duchy, buy Duchy
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Re: Forced Wins Training Sessions
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2016, 11:29:13 pm »
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Hey, I found a log that didn't crash the replayer. It's my turn. I have a forced win from here. Also not too hard, but important to keep in mind.

(I currently have 13 VP. My opponent has 21 VP. http://imgur.com/I1YYAUQ may be easier on the eyes, idk why it's blurring here.)

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