Voltaire, sure I am rocketing up your scum ladder, but is it because I am backing up people that you have targeted? Well, let me support Robz some more.
First of all, Robz did NOT say "f--- you." Rather, he listened to his own advice from the civility pledge and did this:
-- Voluntarily stepping away from the game for a few hours is the best way to prevent yourself from saying something you regret.
He then collected himself and wrote a very reasonable post that I hoped would help put us back on track and basically "get over" the yuma quicklynch knee-jerk reaction. First impressions can be spot-on, but they can also have serious flaws. While I am not ready to let yuma completely off, I think there are better candidates for the D2 lynch.
You have taken this as a move to manipulate emotions in order to discredit the IC. You have done all the work to discredit yourself. I am very uncomfortable with your little spar with yuma so far today. It has basically been the only thing today so far (see the post count). When I imagine an IC, I think of a neutral 3rd party who helps the town gather and process information and come to an informed decision on a lynch. All you have done is propagate your rage-vote.
Now, I have done my best to remain as neutral as possible for as long as possible. Consider the following:
Catching up.
So this is what I am getting
1. Claiming doctor is helpful to the town right now
I think the doctor claiming plan may be a good idea. Will a scum team target the doctor over someone else? I don't think so, not even if they were sure that he would die. They're basically giving their opposing team a chance to gain an advantage over them (if scum A targets the doctor, they kill a known townie while scum B has the chance to hit one of them).
2. Claiming doctor hurts the town later.
Remember, everyone, that if the Doctor claims and becomes IC, he is an IC who is guaranteed to die once one scumteam is dead. This isn't a Role Madness game where there are other unknown power roles out there who can WIFOM scum at night about their kill. Yes, I agree that the opposing scumteams create such a WIFOM and will probably mean a Doctor who claims now won't be nightkilled - for now. But as soon as one scumteam is dead, that WIFOM disappears and nothing can bring it back. And the Doctor is then dead... at just the time (lategame) when his Doctor protection would be most helpful.
I think 2.7 sums it up nicely. Whether the doctor claims is the classic short-term gain vs. long-term gain debate.
An IC in this setup is certainly better than a Doctor. But why not have both? Doctor claims, becomes IC, everyone is good to go. I agree with all that, but I think it should happen D2. Town points to 2.7 for having a very open mind about Doctor claiming.
Even coming out as strongly I have against Archetype is still relatively flexible, so long as Archetype gives some satisfactory answers to questions such as
- why he jumped on the faust wagon (never explained).
- Or why he included "more of him being a newbie" in this post
Very concerned by 2.7's trying to get me lynched. Not neccerssarily because it's me he's trying to start a wagon on (but that does play a big part) but more of him being a newbie and doing something like this. What he said awhile ago about "Voting alongside the Doctor" certainly rubbed me the wrong way.
- Or his seemingly random vote for Robz.
The longer Archetype refuses to explain himself for things such as these, the more convinced I am of his scuminess. However, if satisfactory answers emerge or another lynch seems better (which I don't really see right now)