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[mail-mi]

Welcome to MXXXIII: Toy Story Mafia!

Mods: mail-mi, chairs.

Sign ups! (13 players!)

1. Voltaire Andy, a Town Toy Fixer -- Burned N4
2. Robz888 Stinky Pete, a Fire Mafia Goon -- Frozen N2
3. liopoil Big Al, a Fire Mafia Goon -- Frozen N4
4. Archetype Barbie, a Vanilla Townie -- Lynched D2
5. ashersky Mrs. Potato Head, a Vanilla Townie -- Frozen N1
6. sudgy The Little Green Man, a Vanilla Townie -- Lynched D5
7. Yuma Buzz Lightyear, un Puerblerino Vainilla -- Quemado N3
8. Voltgloss Rex, a Vanilla Townie -- Burned N1
9. 2.71828..... Wheezy, a Vanilla Townie -- Frozen N3
10. faust Bullseye, a Vanilla Townie -- Lynched D1
11. Gveoniz Hamm, a Vanilla Townie -- Endgamed
12. Eevee Lot's O' Huggin' Bear, an Ice Mafia Goon -- Burned N2 BUT STILL A WINNER!
13. NHSederholm Jimmmmm Big Baby, an Ice Mafia Goon -- WINNER!

This game will be very Newbie-friendly!

The following RULES OF MAFIA will be used with the following changes. Please read them if this is your first time playing!

- Day deadlines will be 7 days and nights 48 hours.
- During the first 24 hours of night, please PM the mod(s) to confirm that you are still playing. After 24 hours, if you have not PM'd us, the mod(s) will PM you to check to see if you are still in fact playing. If we have not received a confirmation by the time Night is supposed to end, Night will continue as we look for a replacement.
- Prods will not be issued automatically--that's up to the players.

Set-up specific info in next post.

[mail-mi]

This game will be using the Fire and Ice set up, which is a Standard/Open set up. The set up is as follows:

-2 Fire mafia goons
-2 Ice mafia goons.
-1 Town Doctor
-8 Vanilla Townies.

And setup specific mechanics are as follows:
-Day start.
-If the Fire mafia and the Ice mafia target the same person, their kills will cancel out and no one will die.
-The doctor protects against both Fire and Ice kills.
-Flavornames like "Woody" and "Buzz" have the same chance of being town as scum.
-Flavor will give away which team did which kills (mail-mi was burned in the night!)
-If there are only 1 Ice mafia goon and 1 Fire mafia goon left alive at the end of the game, this is what will happen:

If it's Big Baby and Big Al, Fire mafia wins.
If it's Big Baby and Stinky Pete, Ice mafia wins.
If it's Lot's O' Huggin' Bear and Big Al, Ice mafia wins
If it's Lot's O' Huggin' Bear and Stinky Pete, Fire mafia wins.

PMs:

Welcome to MXXXIII: Toy Story Mafia, [player name]! You are Big Al, a Fire Mafia goon with your partner, Stinky Pete.

Each night, you may talk with your teammate here: {quicktopic}
Each night, one of you or your teammate can perform the Factional Kill. If you target the same person as the Ice mafia, the kills will cancel out.

Your fake flavorclaim is [insert flavor name].

You win when there are only Fire mafia left, or nothing can stop this from happening.

Welcome to MXXXIII: Toy Story Mafia, [player name]! You are Lots o' Huggin Bear, an Ice Mafia goon with your partner, Big Baby.

Each night, you may talk with your teammate here: {quicktopic}
Each night, one of you or your teammate can perform the Factional Kill. If you target the same person as the Fire mafia, the kills will cancel out.

Your fake flavorclaim is: [insert flavor name]

You win when there are only Ice mafia left alive, or nothing can stop this from happening.

Welcome to MXXXIII: Toy Story Mafia, [player name]! You are Andy, a Town Toy Fixer!

Each night, you may choose 1 player. That player will be protected from any and all kills that night.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least 1 town-aligned player alive.

Welcome to MXXXIII: Toy Story Mafia, [player name]! You are [flavor name here], a Vanilla Townie!

You have no night actions. Your weapon is your vote. Use it wisely.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least 1 town-aligned player is alive.

[Voltaire]

/in as long as 1 of RMM9 or Dynasty Warriors ends first (or is in late-game stages).

[chairs]

I would be interested in co-modding (I haven't modded before, so that woudl be fun)

[mail-mi]

I would be interested in co-modding (I haven't modded before, so that woudl be fun)

You're in!

[Robz888]

/in

Cool setup!

[Twistedarcher]

I'm interested, but not going to join a third game, so this may have to wait until another game ends.

[Voltgloss]

/tag

One game at a time for me, but this looks neat.

[liopoil]

/interested

note that the word "interested" starts with in.

I might have to out eventually, but I'll reserve a spot for now.

[Archetype]

/interested

[Jimmmmm]

/tag

[yuma]

/tag

ashersky is it.

[Jimmmmm]

I want to join this. I'll see how busy I am in the next few weeks.

[ashersky]

To infinity...and beyond!!

[mail-mi]

To /infinity...and beyond!!

FIFY

[Jimmmmm]

Should the scum PMs have the player name of the teammate?

[yuma]

I will totally /in to this now. I can't bear to potentially miss this and then be out of a mafia game forever until the next one starts... That was just horrible...

I doubt this game will be full enough to start before then, but maybe wait until Dynasty Warriors is in Night2 at the least to start this up...

[liopoil]

question: what happens in the scenario of 1 of each scum left alive? your PM wincons suggest that town will win because they will no lynch then kill each other. is this intentional? seems a bit weird for an ending for me.

I would suggest that the two scumteams "tie". so both get half the value of a win. To do that just add a clause to scum wincons that say they draw with the other team if everyone dies, and add a clause in the town wincon that says they need at least 1 member still alive to win.

another option is to make both win, but that makes things a bit odd. plus, yuma will kill you because it messes up stats, and I agree with that.

something to stop infinite no lynches/no kills is probably a good idea, as is making it clear that doc can't self-target.

I'm looking forward to this one

[yuma]

I would suggest that the two scumteams "tie". so both get half the value of a win. To do that just add a clause to scum wincons that say they draw with the other team if everyone dies, and add a clause in the town wincon that says they need at least 1 member still alive to win.

another option is to make both win, but that makes things a bit odd. plus, yuma will kill you because it messes up stats, and I agree with that.

actually I prefer the later option. Giving both teams a "true" win is simpler than making a new "tie" category.

And I do agree that having town win when all townies are dead isn't ideal. But ultimately that is up to mail-mi and should be clarified before game start so that we can be sure.

[liopoil]

I would suggest that the two scumteams "tie". so both get half the value of a win. To do that just add a clause to scum wincons that say they draw with the other team if everyone dies, and add a clause in the town wincon that says they need at least 1 member still alive to win.

another option is to make both win, but that makes things a bit odd. plus, yuma will kill you because it messes up stats, and I agree with that.

actually I prefer the later option. Giving both teams a "true" win is simpler than making a new "tie" category.

And I do agree that having town win when all townies are dead isn't ideal. But ultimately that is up to mail-mi and should be clarified before game start so that we can be sure.

wait, so what DO you want?

Usually I think of results of games like this:

- A win is "worth" 1
- A loss is "worth" 0
- A tie is "worth" 1/n where n is the number of tied factions/teams/players

that way exactly 1 "point" is awarded every game, it makes things easier to figure out, game-theory wise. and no, when town wins, I  think of it like the town, as a collective single player, gets the 1 point.

but yes, completely up to mail-mi.

[yuma]

The mafiascum page has the following win conditions so I am guessing that the changes mail-mi made were deliberate:

You win when the other mafia team is eliminated and you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

[mail-mi]

I would suggest that the two scumteams "tie". so both get half the value of a win. To do that just add a clause to scum wincons that say they draw with the other team if everyone dies, and add a clause in the town wincon that says they need at least 1 member still alive to win.

another option is to make both win, but that makes things a bit odd. plus, yuma will kill you because it messes up stats, and I agree with that.

actually I prefer the later option. Giving both teams a "true" win is simpler than making a new "tie" category.

And I do agree that having town win when all townies are dead isn't ideal. But ultimately that is up to mail-mi and should be clarified before game start so that we can be sure.

I really don't want this incentive for the mafias to win together (because the other team must be eliminated) but I don't want town to win then either. This might make you mad, Yuma, but yes, the teams will tie and get half a win.

[mail-mi]

The mafiascum page has the following win conditions so I am guessing that the changes mail-mi made were deliberate:

You win when the other mafia team is eliminated and you control 50% of the town or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

THey weren't. I'll change them now

[yuma]

I would suggest that the two scumteams "tie". so both get half the value of a win. To do that just add a clause to scum wincons that say they draw with the other team if everyone dies, and add a clause in the town wincon that says they need at least 1 member still alive to win.

another option is to make both win, but that makes things a bit odd. plus, yuma will kill you because it messes up stats, and I agree with that.

actually I prefer the later option. Giving both teams a "true" win is simpler than making a new "tie" category.

And I do agree that having town win when all townies are dead isn't ideal. But ultimately that is up to mail-mi and should be clarified before game start so that we can be sure.

wait, so what DO you want?

Usually I think of results of games like this:

- A win is "worth" 1
- A loss is "worth" 0
- A tie is "worth" 1/n where n is the number of tied factions/teams/players

that way exactly 1 "point" is awarded every game, it makes things easier to figure out, game-theory wise. and no, when town wins, I  think of it like the town, as a collective single player, gets the 1 point.

but yes, completely up to mail-mi.

Well I don't necessarily want anything, but I do have preferences.

My preference is to keep things simple. So no ties. Rather shared wins. So rather than dealing with 1/n. I would just give both fire and ice the 1 point and give them wins if there is 1 fire and 1 ice player alive at the end. To me this makes far more sense than giving town the win, or splitting the win, or having no one win.

[yuma]

I would suggest that the two scumteams "tie". so both get half the value of a win. To do that just add a clause to scum wincons that say they draw with the other team if everyone dies, and add a clause in the town wincon that says they need at least 1 member still alive to win.

another option is to make both win, but that makes things a bit odd. plus, yuma will kill you because it messes up stats, and I agree with that.

actually I prefer the later option. Giving both teams a "true" win is simpler than making a new "tie" category.

And I do agree that having town win when all townies are dead isn't ideal. But ultimately that is up to mail-mi and should be clarified before game start so that we can be sure.

I really don't want this incentive for the mafias to win together (because the other team must be eliminated) but I don't want town to win then either. This might make you mad, Yuma, but yes, the teams will tie and get half a win.

It won't make me mad, but it does mean that somethings just need to change in my spreadsheet... and that might mean that in the end I won't be counting it as a tie, but rather as a shared victory (just for my own keeping stat purposes)... It really depends on how much I would need to change and I am not sure how much would be needed...

But I imagine I could probably find away around it that wouldn't be too hard.