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[yuma]

Vote:sudgy. why in the world am I in a scummy position on the wagon. I said very explicitly that I do not support that lynch, just preffered it over mail-mi. It's only a scummy move if mail-mi is scum, and I think he's town. you know who is in a scummy position though? sudgy. he went back and forth between robz and mail-mi trying to see which lynch would go through. although, granted, robz888 was TRYING to get a wagon on himself, so lots of townies probably voted for him. anyway, I was pushing the sudgy lynch before, I'm pushing it now.

It's a scummy position because you seemed (to me) pretty sure it was a bad lynch.

Sudgy doesn't have any town points with me, so he's probably in the would lynch portion of my reads.

First of all unvote.

Next, I don't find lio scummy for this. It reminds me of mcmc in the M&M game who did not support but voted and lynched archetype anyway. as scum I pushed him excessively because of this and also forced his mislynch. Maybe lio remembers that game--I can't even remember if he was in it or not, I dont' think he was--but to me that reads more townish.

However, I do agree with what lio said about robz trying to get a wagon on himself and there certainly are townies on his wagon. And I think lio is one of them.

Sudgy on the other hand.... well I think everyone already knows I had found sudgy scummy. We still need a lynch. I think his play has been scummy, as for his position on the wagon. That honestly is kinda a null tell as I could see either scum or mafia jump from wagon to wagon as a survivalist measure (if it wasn't mail-mi or robz it was going to be sudgy)... but I am still going to vote: sudgy

[yuma]

Vote Count 1.13
{L-1} Robz (6): mail-mi, spiritbears, nkirbit, ashersky, yuma, liopoil
liopoil (1): mcmcsalot
AHoppy (1): Robz888
mail-mi (3): Eevee, AHoppy, sudgy

Not voting: xeiron

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is 8pm forum time on Friday, May 24th.

SB is town. Confused town, but town. Nkiribit, this is his first game, so it's hard to gauge anything. Ashersky I thought was at least understandable in his anti-me case. Yuma on the other hand, I thought was hiding behind that "Robz did this in that other blitz game!" argument. Mail-mi, it's hard to read anything into him, because he's the alt lynch, of course he should vote for me. Lio and sudgy looking pretty scummy tho!

this is interesting because eevee had the complete opposite response to my and ash's reactions to you.

[Eevee]

Alleviated a bit by ash's second post on the matter, although I'm just now realizing I'm way way too eager to give towncred for people for agreeing with me. Actually there might be something there. This is starting to remind me of mafia noir ashersky with our totally unreasonable day 1 arguments I later forgot to town's demise. I'll pull up some quotes when I get to my computer after my weekly floorball thing (so later tonight).

Really freaking glad I was right about robz and also that we have an interested town robz to work with now. This is just great. m

[ashersky]

Alleviated a bit by ash's second post on the matter, although I'm just now realizing I'm way way too eager to give towncred for people for agreeing with me. Actually there might be something there. This is starting to remind me of mafia noir ashersky with our totally unreasonable day 1 arguments I later forgot to town's demise. I'll pull up some quotes when I get to my computer after my weekly floorball thing (so later tonight).

Really freaking glad I was right about robz and also that we have an interested town robz to work with now. This is just great. m

If I recall correctly, that argument would have happened regardless of alignment.

You were as "right" about Robz as I was "wrong."  Yeah, he is town, so you were correct there.  But he was acting "off" and I was right there.  So which is better.  I'm actually thinking it isn't something to argue over.  Robz set off alarm bells for me, which was the correct reaction.  You felt through it all that he was town, which was the correct read.

I'd like to hear from Robz, but I think the townier reaction to Robz's gambit was mine, not yours.  And since no one knew he was an IC, no one could have faked it.  Only mafia could be "sure" he was town (that was you), though.


Can we get a sudgy case recap or quote?  A lot of pages flew by since then.

[spiritbears]

I thought it was a bad lynch, yes. That's because I thought he was more likely to be town than other players. and I was right. If I'm suspicious for that, Eevee is way more suspicious.

I'll take a look at Yuma and Ashersky later today.

unvote
I don't see Lio last minute change to vote robz as obviscummy. At the time there were almost no other viable lunches and he said he would still rather vote elsewhere.....dang. the more I think above it the more I can't justify this move Lio.  It WAS a kindof scummy change of heart. But I'm going to put it aside and remember it for later. I don't have a overall huge scum read on Lio. Sudgy on the other hand....actilurking and then the push to get the hammer down on robz....probably better choice but I'd like to hear more from or twisted little IC on why we should vote Yuma first. I have had a town_-null read on him mostly

[ashersky]

Real deadline is still 35 hours away, right?  Going to sleep as it is late here.  Back on in the am.

[mail-mi]

Wow unvote that was... eventful. In a good way. Well, seeing as I'm one of the lynch canidates, and sudgy looks like the other one, I'll put down a vote: sudgy

[spiritbears]

Wow unvote that was... eventful. In a good way. Well, seeing as I'm one of the lynch canidates, and sudgy looks like the other one, I'll put down a vote: sudgy

I take it you don't see the IC's pick as viable?

[xeiron]

I will vote: Sudgy then, as we need to work towads a lynch.

The vote count is then:

Unofficial Vote Count 1.1x

liopoil (1): mcmcsalot
mail-mi (4): Eevee, AHoppy, Sudgy, Ashersky
Yuma (1):  Robz
Sudgy (4): Liopoil, yuma, mail-mi, xeiron

Not voting: spiritbears, nkirbit

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is 8pm forum time on Friday, May 24th.

[Robz888]

But would scum sudgy be ready to hammer me? I was going to flip town.

I'm thinking lio, now.

[Robz888]

This is such a weasely, scummy post.

Vote:sudgy. why in the world am I in a scummy position on the wagon. I said very explicitly that I do not support that lynch, just preffered it over mail-mi. It's only a scummy move if mail-mi is scum, and I think he's town. you know who is in a scummy position though? sudgy. he went back and forth between robz and mail-mi trying to see which lynch would go through. although, granted, robz888 was TRYING to get a wagon on himself, so lots of townies probably voted for him. anyway, I was pushing the sudgy lynch before, I'm pushing it now.

[nkirbit]

This is such a weasely, scummy post.

Vote:sudgy. why in the world am I in a scummy position on the wagon. I said very explicitly that I do not support that lynch, just preffered it over mail-mi. It's only a scummy move if mail-mi is scum, and I think he's town. you know who is in a scummy position though? sudgy. he went back and forth between robz and mail-mi trying to see which lynch would go through. although, granted, robz888 was TRYING to get a wagon on himself, so lots of townies probably voted for him. anyway, I was pushing the sudgy lynch before, I'm pushing it now.

I don't get why Lio is viewing Sudgy as scummy here?  Isn't that exactly what Lio was doing?  Going back and forth between the Robz and Sudgy lynch to see which would go through?

[nkirbit]

Also, I don't necessarily think that it's scummy only if mail-mi is scum.  A scum would want to move to any town lynch that he thought he could move to without drawing unnecessary attention to himself.

Here's what I'm thinking of everyone, from scum to town:

Sudgy
Lio
Mail-Mi
mcmc
Yuma
Xeiron
Eevee
Ashersky
SB
Ahoppy
Robz

[spiritbears]

Also.  I remember Mc stating that beyond a doubt Robzz is town with little or no explanation. I don't recall him saying "this, this and this are town tells".  So how does he KNOW this? Of course if he's right on Lio that may be some serious town cred since he built that case and was on him even when no-one else would

[nkirbit]

This is such a weasely, scummy post.

Vote:sudgy. why in the world am I in a scummy position on the wagon. I said very explicitly that I do not support that lynch, just preffered it over mail-mi. It's only a scummy move if mail-mi is scum, and I think he's town. you know who is in a scummy position though? sudgy. he went back and forth between robz and mail-mi trying to see which lynch would go through. although, granted, robz888 was TRYING to get a wagon on himself, so lots of townies probably voted for him. anyway, I was pushing the sudgy lynch before, I'm pushing it now.

I don't get why Lio is viewing Sudgy as scummy here?  Isn't that exactly what Lio was doing?  Going back and forth between the Robz and Sudgy lynch to see which would go through?

And also, Sudgy has an incentive to act like this:  if neither Robz nor Mail-mi went through, he very well could've been up next!  So he did have an incentive to act like this whether he was town or scum.  I still have a scumread on Sudgy, but I don't have a problem with his behavior here.

[Eevee]

Why am I scummy for crazy defending Robz? Once again I think we area heading to a mislynch, I'm doing my best to not have that happen. Ashersky you really should know this isn't how Robz acts as scum!

Why is "my" case on mail-mi odd? Should I repeat it? How about the 5 other voters, all scummy or just me?

Overuse of AtE? Hmm, I don't know, I'm starting to be pretty emotionally invested in getting people to trust me about Robz.

It's scummy in a few ways.  You know you just ripped liopoil for his confidence that mail-mi is scum?  Yeah, that's you and Robz.  SAME THING.

It's scummy if you know he's town and you're doing this for town!cred as scum.

It's scummy if you derail the viable lynch and we hit deadline without a lynch.

Your case on mail-mi is odd because IT IS THE SAME AS THE CASE ON ROBZ and you are saying the two exact cases have different outcomes, when I'm saying it's just as likely they are both scum as it is that they aren't.  You've turned this into a Morgrim defense: basically, if Morgrim derphammered, he'd just get a "oh well, that's Morgrim!" but others would get grilled.  Now it's Robz being super scummy and you've giving him the "oh well, that's Robz!" instead of looking at it clearly.

You keep saying "man ash you should KNOW that Robz is town because COME ON you've played a million games with him too and should KNOW."  That's an AtE for sure.

I don't want to turn the spotlight of attention to me and ashersky disagreeing (again  . We've derailed these threads (when both being town too!) often enough for me to know better by now.

I can talk about it and feel rather strongly about my side, but somehow I think we won't agree even if we spend 3 pages arguing..

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I guess I'm coming across wrong.  I can understand where you are coming from.  That's why I've said my heart yearns for Robz to be town.  But my brain can't ignore the signs that Robz is scummy.  You and I agree that scummy =/= mafia, but man, it's D1 (productive one at that!) and there's not a lot to go on.

I've mentioned that I think there are cases on both Robz and mail-mi.  I don't expect to convince you on Robz, and I think you won't convince me that Robz is obvtown.  And really, I'm okay with the mail-mi lynch.  So I don't know why we're arguing.

If mail-mi is lynched and town though, man you are getting a lot of attention on D2.

Robz, do you think these posts are a contradiction? Do you remember what ashersky was like d1 of Mafia Noir?

[Kooshie]

Vote Count 1.14

liopoil (1): mcmcsalot
mail-mi (3): Eevee, AHoppy, sudgy, ashersky
sudgy: (3)liopoil, mail-mi, yuma
yuma: (2)Robz888, xeiron

Not voting: spiritbears, nkirbit

With 12 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch
Deadline is 8pm forum time on Friday, May 24th.

[liopoil]

I'm here now, catching up. I'll be gone later tonight but will be here in the hours before the deadline tommorow.

[sudgy]

I have an idea, I don't know how good it is.  We need a lynch.  Quickly.  From the vote count, me, mail-mi, and yuma all seem like they might be lynched.  This isn't good when we're a day from the deadline.

I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but maybe we should have Robz pick who to lynch and we lynch that person.  I can see why this could be a bad idea, but we need to avoid a no lynch.

Now, could someone actually say a case on me so that I can respond to it?  All I can say at the moment is that I'm town, and nothing else because I don't see anything wrong (other than things I've already mentioned and switching from mail-mi and Robz, and I only did that because I didn't want to no lynch).  I would like you who think I'm scum to actually say why you think I'm scum.  That's a lot more helpful than saying I'm scum.

[liopoil]

okay, caught up. to start off, we have had a POST COUNT in a while, have we?

This counts this post and doesn't include pre-game posts.


Ashersky: 142
Liopoil: 103
nkirbit: 91
Yuma: 86
Eevee: 73
spiritbears: 58
Robz888: 55
sudgy: 53
mcmcsalot: 44
Mail-mi: 35
MPG: 23 Xeiron: 4 total: 27
Ahoppy: 17

[spiritbears]

Little confession here
Evening/nights have become complicated for me. I have seen a couple things I don't remember posting and several things I thought I posted but didn't. I really can't go into more right now
So I'm going to make more of an effort to try to get it right during daytime (PST) and try to dial back posting at night. I think it could be problematic in that I notice most people getting on and active about the time I need to start staying away...and I concerned about being away near deadlines. So please. If you think my position is wrong or have something to ask and we may be approaching a deadline, let me know sooner rather than later
Sorry

[liopoil]

I have an idea, I don't know how good it is.  We need a lynch.  Quickly.  From the vote count, me, mail-mi, and yuma all seem like they might be lynched.  This isn't good when we're a day from the deadline.

I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but maybe we should have Robz pick who to lynch and we lynch that person.  I can see why this could be a bad idea, but we need to avoid a no lynch.

Now, could someone actually say a case on me so that I can respond to it?  All I can say at the moment is that I'm town, and nothing else because I don't see anything wrong (other than things I've already mentioned and switching from mail-mi and Robz, and I only did that because I didn't want to no lynch).  I would like you who think I'm scum to actually say why you think I'm scum.  That's a lot more helpful than saying I'm scum.

we have time to come to a consensus. We will not no lynch.

[Robz888]

I have an idea, I don't know how good it is.  We need a lynch.  Quickly.  From the vote count, me, mail-mi, and yuma all seem like they might be lynched.  This isn't good when we're a day from the deadline.

I don't know if this is a good idea or not, but maybe we should have Robz pick who to lynch and we lynch that person.  I can see why this could be a bad idea, but we need to avoid a no lynch.

Now, could someone actually say a case on me so that I can respond to it?  All I can say at the moment is that I'm town, and nothing else because I don't see anything wrong (other than things I've already mentioned and switching from mail-mi and Robz, and I only did that because I didn't want to no lynch).  I would like you who think I'm scum to actually say why you think I'm scum.  That's a lot more helpful than saying I'm scum.

Very scummy for him to say this, since I am one of the only people not currently advocating his lynch actively.

[spiritbears]

How the hell does ash post that much and I never seem to notice it!!!

[Robz888]

Vote: sudgy