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[ashersky]

Jimmmmm is still sitting at L-1, right? 

Jimmmmm, I believe it is time you claim what you can.  I know there's some opposition to this, and hopefully they'll talk that out here before you decide.

But this is basically a normal mafia game, right?  So we all started as VTs and sort of evolve into PRs.  In a normal game, we claim at L-1.  There's no real counter claiming here, but if Jimmmmm lies about a card (like someone noticed there being different cards with the same powers), we'll see it.

I see Jimmmmm self-claiming (for lack of a better term) as the right move, as opposed to map-claiming (which he already did) which I think gives too much info to scum.

Thoughts?

(I suggest this because, while I disagree with his lynch, I have a feeling someone will hammer before we get an unvote.)

[Insomniac]

Ash Jimm already claimed pages back

[ashersky]

Ash Jimm already claimed pages back

He map claimed, I recall.  Did he "role" claim?

[sudgy]

He's at L-2, I think.  And map claiming is as all he could do...

[mail-mi]

He should claim if hes already bought something of import.

[liopoil]

sudgy why did you unvote?

[Eevee]

No town credit for Jimmm for not lying in his map claim. He isnt dumb, he knows he would have gotten caught.

In the ozle-ashersky argument, ashersky comes out towny to me.

yay 100% agree now vote for jimm gosh darnit

Oh no I still think he is town.

Look, I know, wasting time is bad, mostly because no one is going to reread all this (hopefully specific persons at least). Still, no game has ever ran out of time. In fact, having played my fair share of blitz, i can positively guarantee we will be able to make things happen fast in the end game if need be.

So, I'm not going to vote for someone that reads towny to me, it goes against every fiber of my being.

Ozle, sparky, Lekkit, yuma, even mcmc or insomniac are better choices i think.

Man, I really hope you are town, given I agree with you so much this game.

Also, if Jimmmmm IS scum, we're both going to feel REALLY dumb.

+1 on both counts.

[Jimmmmm]

No I haven't bought anything. I think I've claimed everything I can except what room I'm in.

[liopoil]

Dangit, Vote: mail-mi. Eevee is right, it doesn't matter if the day is too long, what's more important is that we lynch scum, and Jimmmmm is not the best lynch. mail-mi is the scummiest one, and all he's claimed is ACCESS to a PR.  I've been getting the sense more and more that Jimmmmm is town. I'll probably hop my vote around a bit, mail-mi is not the only other option for me by any means. I don't really care if ya'll find me scummy for "prolonging the day" or whatever, I want to lynch scum!

[liopoil]

Not a PR, I mean something "that could really benefit town"

[mail-mi]

I'm willing to vote for any of the lurkers.

[sudgy]

sudgy why did you unvote?

I'm currently in the middle with if Jimmmmm is scum.

[raerae]

I'm willing to vote for any of the lurkers.

Why don't you go ahead, pick one, and make a case on that person then?  Offering up a vote without anything behind it isn't the most helpful thing ever.

Also, I'm out of town on business for the rest of the week and am not sure exactly what my schedule will be in the evenings but I'll be around when I can.

[liopoil]

Raerae is going to be out of town. she isn't town. obvscum!

[mail-mi]

I would, but I'm on my iPod, maybe when I get back from Moab.

[sudgy]

Raerae is going to be out of town. she isn't town. obvscum!

+1

Although, she hasn't posted much.  Mild FoS.  That could be her being busy irl or not being good in big games.

[raerae]

Raerae is going to be out of town. she isn't town. obvscum!

I laughed out loud at this, thanks for the comic relief

[yuma]

vote: ashersky

[Jorbles]

I like Insom's case on sudgy, and would consider that lynch an okay one. Sudgy's desire to get off the Jimmmm lynch (and then back on it) kinda feels to me like a scum player who thinks the lynch of a team mate is inevitable, but is looking for out. Though I still prefer Jimmmm this delay makes me also like the people who are most reluctant to lynch Jimmmm. This actually makes Insom look worse even though I like his case (scum can make a good case though). So do raerae and Eevee.

And I guess slightly ashersky, though I think ashersky is probably town even though I think his refusal to lynch Jimmmm looks scummy. I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. Looking at ashersky and Ozle's argument though I don't really think either of them are scum.

(Also, sorry I've been busy lately, with ummm, other things in the forum that were time consuming.)

[ashersky]

vote: ashersky

There he is!

[ashersky]

I like Insom's case on sudgy, and would consider that lynch an okay one. Sudgy's desire to get off the Jimmmm lynch (and then back on it) kinda feels to me like a scum player who thinks the lynch of a team mate is inevitable, but is looking for out. Though I still prefer Jimmmm this delay makes me also like the people who are most reluctant to lynch Jimmmm. This actually makes Insom look worse even though I like his case (scum can make a good case though). So do raerae and Eevee.

And I guess slightly ashersky, though I think ashersky is probably town even though I think his refusal to lynch Jimmmm looks scummy. I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. Looking at ashersky and Ozle's argument though I don't really think either of them are scum.

(Also, sorry I've been busy lately, with ummm, other things in the forum that were time consuming.)

I think sudgy is a better lynch than Jimmmmm.

[Jimmmmm]

Here's an argument I can make now. Ignoring the Bastard game I've been in two games which started around the same time. In one I was plenty active and most people had Town reads on me, and in the other one I haven't been been. Guess which game I've been prioritising? The game I was scum in. Read the scum QT to see all the scheming we did. I implored my teammate early on not to lurk. I hate that I've made myself resort to using this argument, but it's there.

But, as far as Town lynches go, I'm not a bad one.

[ashersky]

In one I was plenty active and most people had Town reads on me, and in the other one I haven't been been. Guess which game I've been prioritising? The game I was scum in. Read the scum QT to see all the scheming we did. I implored my teammate early on not to lurk.

I think it is fair to have people consider your previous scum performances when deciding if you could be scum in a new game.

[Ozle]

I honestly dont think Jimm is the best lynch anymore. I'd still be willing to lynch him, especially if he goes back to non-content posting, but he isnt doing that now, and we have a much better candidate.


Vote: Ashersky

Summary:
Self Voting
Refuses to vote Jimm for seemingly no reason
Terrible case on me (Which is seemingly wholely down to the fact I gave out other reads while the Kooshie wagon was going on.
Terrible case on Yuma (which essentially amounts to, Ozle is scummy, you dont agree with me, therefore you must be scummy)
Spamming 'tell' posts to increase post count day 1. Which stopped when someone noticed.
Terrible Sheeping.
If we're going to lynch wrong he apparently is the best one to do. (His own words)
Vote for Sudgy out of the blue. Which seems desperation to save Jimmm (when he has nothing but a gut read on Jimm)


Detail:

vote: liopoil

Mcmc is contributing plenty but Kooshie gets your lurker tag?  They have the exact same number of posts in your quote.  Sounds like trying to form a bad case on D1.  Scum tell (really).

Defense of Kooshie.

vote: kooshie

That's 7 and L-2.  Good time for increased activity, I say.

Switches to Kooshie with NO REASON AT AT ALL (reasons came later on). This is getting on the wagon if I have ever seen it. And in one of the scummiest spots no less

Terrible scum play, that.

I think we're looking for more newbie scum.

Says we're looking for Newbie scum, then tries to build a case on Yuma and me.

vote: mcmc

2 reasons--this post is scummy (is this about sudgy or me?) and yuma's case. 

I will unvote if raerae says you are town.

Sheeps Yuma (who he has previously been saying is scummy
And then offers to unsheep Raerae

Probably means we should be looking at the lurkers.

His own words, which he then completely ignores.

Are you good with a soft Jimmmmm lynch deadline?  Say tomorrow at 8:00 p.m. forum time?

Suggests soft Jimmm deadline, doesn't stick to it.

Actually, I'm happy to leave mail-mi alive to be NKed at this point.

This one might be important later.

Jimmmmm has until midnight tomorrow to contribute his promised reads, a deadline he himself proposed.  I say we just leave it at that.

Separately, unvote based on raerae's read, as I said I would.  Not that mcmc is free of suspicion now, but he's not D2's lynch.

I think mail-mi is just playing badly as town right now, and not intentionally as scum.

Jorbles seems scummy from recent comments, and could see a Jorbles lynch being a good one.  I don't like the "let's see if he lives through the night" comment at all, and his vote jumping with regards to Jimmmmm seems opportunistic ("oh, he was at L-2?  Gotta keep that chance going!").

vote: jorbles

The proposed sheep of raerae
Confirmation of Jimmmm deadline that Ashersky doesnt stick too
Vote  for Jorbles


"Then there his interaction with Yuma calling him out as scummy because he was ignoring my scummy play (No real reference to my scummyplay)" There's a lot of quotes there, but they are just back and forth. I dont consider it scummy.

We are at even parity...we could no lynch.

Suggest No lynch.
We cannot get a concensus on Jimmmm, how on earth are we going to get a no lynch.

If jimmmmm flips town, Yuma knows we are coming after him hard for pushing a mislynch against all opposition. 

Basically, jimmmmm flips town (as I think he will) and I open D3 with a Yuma vote that will not go away.

Back to Yuma again.
Not considering other options ever is a bad move.

yuma, if I hammer Jimmmmm, will it change your mind about me?

Offer to hammer Jimmm. (Later claims not a serious offer, just trying to trick Yuma)

"Then comes the big switch from Yuma to me, been over that one already"

I could switch to sudgy, if that got going.  Insom's case on him is better than a Jimmmmm lynch.

Completely out of the blue offer to vote for Sudgy based solely on Insoms case.
Someone who has not appeared on ANY of his 'i think is scummy lists' so far!

Also, Ozle, for what it's worth, I find the lack of suspicion of Eevee by the town very odd.  I mentioned that in my re-read.  That would seem to be something you would appreciate, given you also suspect Eevee.

Interesting that the previous buddying with Eevee now becomes suspicion.
(and I do appreciate it!)
One of his big critisizms of me was I was saying Eevee was scummy while the Kooshie wagon was going on.
So when I voice suspicions, its scummy. When the rest of you dont, its suspicious!


And then we have all the recent stuff which people should be able to read for themselves.

[ashersky]

As Ozle points out, I am indeed the better mislynch.  Thank you Ozle for seeing the light on Jimmmmm.

Please, everyone, strongly consider lynching Ozle as soon as possible on D3.  You clearly don't have to believe me now, but when I am lynched, and am confirmed as town, you can look back at these interactions and understand how it was scum on town.

Please, please re-read all of Ozle's posts with me (and yuma's) after I am confirmed town.  Then you can know for sure that I am not lying, not trying to mislead anyone, and only doing what I think is best for town.

Now, I think it's time for that lynch.  But remember my dying words: At least one of Ozle and Yuma is scum.  At least one of the acti-lurkers (Lekkit, Jorbles, Insom, raerae) is scum.  Check out their interactions with me throughout D2.  See how suspects interacted with conf!town.

I would say lynch Ozle first, on D3.  See who dies the next few nights.  Go from there on D4.

I won't claim what I know of the map, given I know some key card locations.  What I have purchased, town can survive without.

Don't let me down guys!