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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1100 on: April 02, 2013, 05:44:38 pm »


Would you prefer people only talked about the current lynch all the time?

I could pick one person at random, say they are scum because my nan told me so. If they turn out to be scum, does that make it a good read? Of course not. Just beause it was right does not make it good or strong.

Why would you want to limit my views on other people?

Is it because one of those other people is your scumbuddies?

Because im struggling to see a reason why you would not want to hear my reads through the day?

So wait, the switching is the scum tell, but my switching isnt the issue?

Is anybody else reading this and thinks it sounds like Ashersky is clutching at straws?

Has anyone else seen Ashersky play like this in a game? Was he scum there?

These questions?

1) I would prefer that you discuss the issues at hand, not try to change the subject.  For example: I kept saying the Jimmmmm lynch was a bad one.  I was asked to give alternates.  THEN I started a case on you.  I did not try to deflect from Jimmmmm to someone else preemptively.

2) If your nan knows who scum is, you should share it with us.  If she is correct, she has amazing reads.

3) I don't want to limit your views on other people.  This is an Aunt Sally to which one cannot respond.

4) I have no scumbuddies.

5) I'm glad to hear your reads throughout any day.  They help.  But they don't help when it's "man, your case is not strong, let's all lynch Eevee instead!"

6) Switching is a scum tell.  My issue with you was the deflecting.  So you committed a scum tell, which many others (mcmc, for example) have noted as suspect.  I think you are scum because you were trying to save Kooshie via deflection.

7. I don't know what anybody else thinks about my case, except for those who have responded, such as mcmc and Eevee.

8. I've rarely been scum, and when I am, I'm terrible at it.  But again, I can't really respond for other people.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1101 on: April 02, 2013, 06:08:22 pm »



These questions?

1) I would prefer that you discuss the issues at hand, not try to change the subject.  For example: I kept saying the Jimmmmm lynch was a bad one.  I was asked to give alternates.  THEN I started a case on you.  I did not try to deflect from Jimmmmm to someone else preemptively.]

I kept saying the Kooshie lynch was a bad one, I gave other reads, which you seem to want to ignore.
Your ENTIRE CASE on me is based on this supposed deflection, which I have explained is giving reads, which is what i feel town should do, not just tunnel one person.
 There are other posts about eevee that you seem content to ignore and just paraphrase others.
Im not the Jimmm lynch, you seem to express an interest in lynching me. Thats not deflecting, because you were ASKED to do it? What happens if no one asks you to do something? Do you just sit on your hands?
I gave other reads, and in the end was convinced by the group to vote for the scum. Yet when I do it its deflecting?
Please, you can do better than that surely?
I think you have trapped yourself because you admitted my reasons for switching to Kooshie were good, you have said so twice now, but you keep bringing it up because you hope someone else will push that for you.

Ill repeat this because its important DAY ONE! Nobody has a solid case on Day 1, NOBODY, EVER. Sometimes we get super lucky and hit scum based on a small tell. But its NEVER because of a Rock solid case.
So what you seem to be expecting me to do is ignore the one case we did have to try and build one that wasnt taking off, thus wasting towns time further?
Right, note taken for future reference.
(The note I have taken is Day 1 is still the same, but Ashersky doesn't seem to realise this)

2) If your nan knows who scum is, you should share it with us.  If she is correct, she has amazing reads.
I assume your joking here because you realise what a stupid statement it is. As explained, I picked the person at random. I am possibly going to win the March Madness competition here on FDS, does that mean I am an expert at picking teams for whatever it is?
No of course it doesnt, I dont even know what sport it is!!
Sometimes we have a small thing that turns out to be right.


3) I don't want to limit your views on other people.  This is an Aunt Sally to which one cannot respond.
4) I have no scumbuddies.
No its not, you clearly have issue with me giving reads on people, and have deliberately split this into two questions to differentiate the meaning. You only seemed to want me to talk about the Kooshie lynch and not give reads on other people. Can you give me a good reason why


5) I'm glad to hear your reads throughout any day.  They help.  But they don't help when it's "man, your case is not strong, let's all lynch Eevee instead!"
Again, I gave reads on many people, including Eevee. I was dairly active during Day 1, where were you, did you miss it? Ahh yeah right, I remember you made a lot of non-posts until people called you out on it and then dissapeared for a bit before coming back. It was probably then...

6) Switching is a scum tell.  My issue with you was the deflecting.  So you committed a scum tell, which many others (mcmc, for example) have noted as suspect.  I think you are scum because you were trying to save Kooshie via deflection.

7. I don't know what anybody else thinks about my case, except for those who have responded, such as mcmc and Eevee.
This was directed to other people

8. I've rarely been scum, and when I am, I'm terrible at it.  But again, I can't really respond for other people.
Again, I dont care what your thoughts are on how you play as scum, what would be the point of that.
I asked for OTHER peoples views on you as town/scum play. Because I especially think it could be interesting later.


Its a poor case against me, you know it, I know it. Thats why it does not give any traction and it reeks of desperation!

So if you are town you are better off putting your energies to something useful! because I'm town and if I die at some point in future everyone is going to be looking right at you and if you are town you are going to be the rest of us an extreme disservice!
If you are scum, keep digging yourself into that hole.

Also, take that stupid self vote off yourself. We know you don't mean it.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1102 on: April 02, 2013, 06:13:15 pm »

Yuma's still here, right?

vote: ashersky

That should get Jimmmmm back to L-2.

Could you explain what your town read is on jimmmm for me?

You also missed this one?

Why are you so opposed to Jimmm lynch?
What has he done exactly that has seemed townie to you?

Or do you only want to tunnel me now (and to a lesser extent Yuma, but I could see why you put your vote on me out of the two, its because Yuma is scary!)
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1103 on: April 02, 2013, 06:25:52 pm »

Yuma's still here, right?

vote: ashersky

That should get Jimmmmm back to L-2.

Could you explain what your town read is on jimmmm for me?

You also missed this one?

Why are you so opposed to Jimmm lynch?
What has he done exactly that has seemed townie to you?

Or do you only want to tunnel me now (and to a lesser extent Yuma, but I could see why you put your vote on me out of the two, its because Yuma is scary!)

Sorry, missed that one.  I've explained this ad naseum, by the way.  My town read on Jimmmmm is based on my meta-understanding of Jimmmmm's way of playing, his towny actions on D2, and his pro-town willingness to self-hammer.

My vote on me is real.  My lynch is a better one than Jimmmmm's.  I have access to stuff on the map, sure, and whatever I may have in my possession already, but there's no guarantee I survive.  I'm still a VT--I'd rather lose a VT than an unknown.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1104 on: April 02, 2013, 06:26:40 pm »

Also, Ozle, for what it's worth, I find the lack of suspicion of Eevee by the town very odd.  I mentioned that in my re-read.  That would seem to be something you would appreciate, given you also suspect Eevee.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1105 on: April 02, 2013, 06:27:24 pm »

...why did you just claim VT?
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1106 on: April 02, 2013, 06:28:32 pm »

...why did you just claim VT?

Because I am?  And it has zero bearing on the game.  And I really am willing to be lynched to save a possible (any possible) PR.  This is a fundamental belief in my mafia playstyle--be willing to sacrifice yourself to save stronger roles on your team.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1107 on: April 02, 2013, 06:29:24 pm »

yes, but as a VT you want to be NKed! now you won't be for sure.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1108 on: April 02, 2013, 06:30:32 pm »

yes, but as a VT you want to be NKed! now you won't be for sure.

Unless being lynched saves someone better.

Besides, if I don't die today, and I survive the night, maybe I won't be a VT anymore.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1109 on: April 02, 2013, 06:33:46 pm »

that's a good point. I guess in this game the whole VT's trying to get themself NKed isn't true as much.

You really think that you're a better lynch than Jimmmmm? I mean, you don't know 100% that Jimmmmmm is town, even if you think that.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1110 on: April 02, 2013, 06:36:36 pm »


I would be VERY interested in hearing jimmms view on you when he is back tomorrow.....except for me it would have to be thursday as im not about tomorrow much.

Jimmmm, when you get to this point, please can you make sure you give ashersky a re-read!
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« Reply #1111 on: April 02, 2013, 06:39:14 pm »

that's a good point. I guess in this game the whole VT's trying to get themself NKed isn't true as much.

You really think that you're a better lynch than Jimmmmm? I mean, you don't know 100% that Jimmmmmm is town, even if you think that.

Its a good point,but it then makes his whole 'im a vt so lynch me' largely irrelevant as everyone is a vt unless they have access to night items.

If ashersky has access to good night stuff then he shouldnt be offering himself up
If he doesnt he should be trying to get nightkilled

Either way he shouldnt want to be lynched.....which is why im thinking gambit
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1112 on: April 02, 2013, 06:40:06 pm »

that's a good point. I guess in this game the whole VT's trying to get themself NKed isn't true as much.

You really think that you're a better lynch than Jimmmmm? I mean, you don't know 100% that Jimmmmmm is town, even if you think that.

That's a fair point.  But generally speaking, when someone is tunneled this hard, they're town.  That's been the case recently, anyway.

I mean, Jimmmmm can speak up and say he'd rather be lynched than me, I guess.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1113 on: April 02, 2013, 06:40:17 pm »

I'm very willing to take him up on the offer...
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1114 on: April 02, 2013, 07:04:47 pm »

Sigh, looks like this day is going on longer...  Unvote for now.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1115 on: April 02, 2013, 07:39:30 pm »

Lekkit!  You're online, get in here!
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1116 on: April 02, 2013, 07:57:54 pm »

I think Jimmm is probably not the best lynch today. His flip would be informative since a lot of people have expressed their reads on him, though. As for my reads on him, I'm really torn. On one hand, he's basically done what Kooshie did. Stayed back and defended himself when accused. Not really helping town. But he hasn't done it to the same extent as Kooshie. I have reasons to believe he's town based on his map claiming. And that makes me somewhat reluctant to actually lynch him.

I do however think that ash looks really bad. But then I find him scummy most of the time. This game has been extra bad, though. I don't really have much time to post stuff today, but I'll try my best to actually do some proper analysis tomorrow.
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« Reply #1117 on: April 02, 2013, 08:02:21 pm »

going back to reread people i talked about now. As I see it, jimm still hasn't done anything, stop giving him a pass. everytime he says hey guys real sorry this is terrible of me, ill reread soon. Hey guys really crappy town play on my part. I'll set a soft deadline to get reads done, hey ill self hammer tomorrow if were still stuck. THIS ISNT HELPING THIS IS SLOWING THE GAME DOWN AND DEFLECTING.

ppe: wait why is his map claiming town, should i claim, should we mass claim??? no we shouldn't because claiming is bad, he asked if he should claim realized we would say no, and claimed before anyone said anything. He wanted to look towny by claiming.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1118 on: April 02, 2013, 08:08:21 pm »

Gah, mcmc, you're bringing me back to Vote: Jimmmmm...
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« Reply #1119 on: April 02, 2013, 08:12:52 pm »

No town credit for Jimmm for not lying in his map claim. He isnt dumb, he knows he would have gotten caught.

In the ozle-ashersky argument, ashersky comes out towny to me.
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« Reply #1120 on: April 02, 2013, 08:14:20 pm »

No town credit for Jimmm for not lying in his map claim. He isnt dumb, he knows he would have gotten caught.

In the ozle-ashersky argument, ashersky comes out towny to me.

yay 100% agree now vote for jimm gosh darnit
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1121 on: April 02, 2013, 08:20:00 pm »

No town credit for Jimmm for not lying in his map claim. He isnt dumb, he knows he would have gotten caught.

In the ozle-ashersky argument, ashersky comes out towny to me.

yay 100% agree now vote for jimm gosh darnit
Oh no I still think he is town.

Look, I know, wasting time is bad, mostly because no one is going to reread all this (hopefully specific persons at least). Still, no game has ever ran out of time. In fact, having played my fair share of blitz, i can positively guarantee we will be able to make things happen fast in the end game if need be.

So, I'm not going to vote for someone that reads towny to me, it goes against every fiber of my being.

Ozle, sparky, Lekkit, yuma, even mcmc or insomniac are better choices i think.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1122 on: April 02, 2013, 09:24:33 pm »

No town credit for Jimmm for not lying in his map claim. He isnt dumb, he knows he would have gotten caught.

In the ozle-ashersky argument, ashersky comes out towny to me.

yay 100% agree now vote for jimm gosh darnit

But no scum points for it either, because really, it doesn't make you any more likely to be scum to do that.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1123 on: April 02, 2013, 09:25:11 pm »

No town credit for Jimmm for not lying in his map claim. He isnt dumb, he knows he would have gotten caught.

In the ozle-ashersky argument, ashersky comes out towny to me.

yay 100% agree now vote for jimm gosh darnit
Oh no I still think he is town.

Look, I know, wasting time is bad, mostly because no one is going to reread all this (hopefully specific persons at least). Still, no game has ever ran out of time. In fact, having played my fair share of blitz, i can positively guarantee we will be able to make things happen fast in the end game if need be.

So, I'm not going to vote for someone that reads towny to me, it goes against every fiber of my being.

Ozle, sparky, Lekkit, yuma, even mcmc or insomniac are better choices i think.

Man, I really hope you are town, given I agree with you so much this game.

Also, if Jimmmmm IS scum, we're both going to feel REALLY dumb.
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Re: Mafia XXII: Bankers Beware (Day 2)
« Reply #1124 on: April 02, 2013, 09:29:50 pm »

No town credit for Jimmm for not lying in his map claim. He isnt dumb, he knows he would have gotten caught.

In the ozle-ashersky argument, ashersky comes out towny to me.

yay 100% agree now vote for jimm gosh darnit
Oh no I still think he is town.

Look, I know, wasting time is bad, mostly because no one is going to reread all this (hopefully specific persons at least). Still, no game has ever ran out of time. In fact, having played my fair share of blitz, i can positively guarantee we will be able to make things happen fast in the end game if need be.

So, I'm not going to vote for someone that reads towny to me, it goes against every fiber of my being.

Ozle, sparky, Lekkit, yuma, even mcmc or insomniac are better choices i think.

Man, I really hope you are town, given I agree with you so much this game.

Also, if Jimmmmm IS scum, we're both going to feel REALLY dumb.

What's great is if he isn't scum, I don't feel bad, I've never been right and have absolutely no where to go but up...please be scum jimm.
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