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[yuma]

so much going on... going to take me a while to catch up. Plus I need to study for a test tomorrow, so dont' expect too much from me.

Please let's not lynch til tomorrow at least.

[Captain_Frisk]

Insomniac:

Can joth post in the mafia qt?

[Voltgloss]

Remember Qvist's response to my massclaim proposal.

On top of all of that, notice how Qvist completely ignored weighing in on my massclaim proposal. 

Sorry, I didn't ignore it. I just don't know if this is a good idea. And I tried to evaluate that, but had a hard time. But I think you brought up a valid point, it might work, but is really risky.

Would you expect a Town Cop to give such a lukewarm no-response response?

This is part of WHY I wanted to have discussion of massclaim.  So that if scum fakeclaimed me, they would have already gone on record in a way that undermines their fakeclaim.

I would expect a NEW PLAYER to do that.  He doesn't know if it will work or not.

I would expect a NEW PLAYER WITH A POWER ROLE to be scared out of his wits by the prospect of massclaim, making him the scum's nightkill target.  That's most definitely NOT what happened.

You, on the other hand, knew it WOULD work.  That's why you vehemently opposed it, with shifting rationales - first with "I don't have to give reasons," and then with "your math is wrong," and then "math doesn't matter anyway."

[Voltgloss]

The best part is that, even IF you folks err by lynching me today, we still win. 
Lynch Qvist tomorrow.  Lynch Axxle the day after that. 

Case closed.

Part of this I definitely agree with.  If we mislynch the real cop, we have the right lynch tomorrow.

Is there any sense in not risking it and lynching the likely third?

Any thoughts of my question?  I think we probably definitely need to lynch one of the two cops, but don't know if there's some theory work out there that makes sense to leave them both alive?

I absolutely agree that a "claimed cop" should be lynched.  The fake one.  Qvist.

And you want to decide today, while we can still afford a mislynch, so that IF you mess up and lynch me the town can still achieve a win.

[Captain_Frisk]

Volt: I'd like a detailed explanation as to why you didn't cop axxle

[yuma]

not sure what is going on yet, but unvote for now

[Captain_Frisk]

The best part is that, even IF you folks err by lynching me today, we still win. 
Lynch Qvist tomorrow.  Lynch Axxle the day after that. 

Case closed.

Part of this I definitely agree with.  If we mislynch the real cop, we have the right lynch tomorrow.

Is there any sense in not risking it and lynching the likely third?

Any thoughts of my question?  I think we probably definitely need to lynch one of the two cops, but don't know if there's some theory work out there that makes sense to leave them both alive?

I absolutely agree that a "claimed cop" should be lynched.  The fake one.  Qvist.

And you want to decide today, while we can still afford a mislynch, so that IF you mess up and lynch me the town can still achieve a win.

Why are you referring to town as you?

[Voltgloss]

QVistVoltgloss completely backing off of CF today makes it clear that he's cop and investigated him last night.

FTFY

[Captain_Frisk]

not sure what is going on yet, but unvote for now

We will definitely not lynch if I can help it - but I want your read on the situation

[Voltgloss]

Volt: I'd like a detailed explanation as to why you didn't cop axxle

I gave my reasons for copping you. 
The reason I didn't cop Axxle is BECAUSE I thought he was scum.

As cop, the best use of your investigation is on people you have null-reads on.  See http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Cop.  (last line)

I have real difficulty reading you CF.  And I was sure that, whether you were scum OR town, my knowing that info would be important today.  If you were scum, I want to know that.  If you were town, you were going to come under heavy heat, and I should know that to preclude a mislynch. 

[TheMunch]

not sure what is going on yet, but unvote for now

We will definitely not lynch if I can help it - but I want your read on the situation

Look at you saying "we" like you are part of town... Not like you are IC or something...

[yuma]

I lean toward a Qvist lynch. But that was just from a really really quick skim.

back to moulds, yeasts and intestinal worms...

[Axxle]

QVistVoltgloss completely backing off of CF today makes it clear that he's cop and investigated him last night.

FTFY

When were you critical of him to have "backed off"? The extent QVist was and how he slowly backed off him makes him seem much more like a cop.

[Axxle]

Unvote

[Insomniac]

Insomniac:

Can joth post in the mafia qt?

No he lost access to it when he died. (Therefore he was not posting in it last night)

[Voltgloss]

QVistVoltgloss completely backing off of CF today makes it clear that he's cop and investigated him last night.

FTFY

When were you critical of him to have "backed off"? The extent QVist was and how he slowly backed off him makes him seem much more like a cop.

Here:

No time.  No time.  Argh, no time.

I hate posting scumrankings without analysis but I have no time to write the analysis!

If yuma is TOWN, I suspect (in ranking order):
1. ashersky
2. Qvist
3. Captain_Frisk

If yuma is SCUM, I suspect (in ranking order after yuma):
1. Axxle
2. Eevee

yuma's VT claim has me thinking and I need to mull that more.  I would have expected scum in yuma's shoes to claim the power role that he is the "switch" for, to at least get a counterclaim and get that power role nullified in the night via nightkill so scum keeps its lock on the town's powers.

And here:

Y'know whose thoughts on yuma I would really like to see at this point?  Frisk's.

Frisk has positioned himself as the deciding vote re: yuma.  The order of declarations was:

1. Volt makes case on yuma
2. Eevee rejects case
3. jotheonah agrees with case
4. ashersky agrees with case
5. TheMunch agrees with case (L-1); Eevee tells people to slow down
6. Captain_Frisk weighs both sides
7. Qvist rejects case
8. Axxle rejects case

I'm not asking Frisk to plop down a vote and hammer, but I would like to know how (if at all) his reads on yuma have changed since he last considered the case on yuma.  (If this is already in a previous post and I missed it, I apologize.)

When's our deadline?

And here:

Lynch preferences, from "most preferred" to "least preferred":

1. Axxle
2. ashersky

3. Joth
4. Qvist
5. CF

6. Eevee
7. Munch
8. yuma

9. Volt


3/4/5 are all very close together in terms of preference.  6/7/8 are also all very close together.

[Voltgloss]

Qvist - who do you think is volts partner?

Notice how Qvist ignored this question, signing off instead.  That is because it has no good answer.  Because I am town.

[Axxle]

Qvist - who do you think is volts partner?

Notice how Qvist ignored this question, signing off instead.  That is because it has no good answer.  Because I am town.

Or because it's 3 in the freaking morning where he is.

[Axxle]

And that is not being critical of CF at all.  That's him being grouped together in the middle all day.

[Voltgloss]

OK, I am about to get in a car and be driving for about 40 minutes, and then family responsibilities.  I'll be back at a computer working late tonight.  If any town players have questions that they'd like me to address, or that I've missed, I'll address them then.

We're in good shape, gang.  Make the right call by lynching Qvist, and we win 100%.  Make the wrong call, well that sucks, but the by far most likely path to victory on the last two days is still clear.

[Captain_Frisk]

In the history of f.ds, when has the counter claimer been wrong?

[Captain_Frisk]

And the attached pic shows that Qvist was actually writing his fakeclaim post for over 13 minutes.

Anyone else not seeing the pic here?  I saw it on my ipad earlier, but now its gone?

[Dr Jekyll]

Without voting, I'd like each person to weigh in on QVist vs. Voltgloss.  You must also pick their scum buddy.

[yuma]

Without voting, I'd like each person to weigh in on QVist vs. Voltgloss.  You must also pick their scum buddy.

vote: Dr. Jekyll

[Captain_Frisk]

Without voting, I'd like each person to weigh in on QVist vs. Voltgloss.  You must also pick their scum buddy.

Sorry - that was me in my other browser - which was still logged in a jekyll.  You can see the attachments in IE, but not in Chrome.