The heck is going on here?
I'll start again with a correction to information about me
My opinion of Tables is that he is normally very active and insightful but real life/ the enormousness of this thread is keeping him from keeping the kind of notes he would like to...
(Post written after 715 with no editing after that)
I wasn't actually that active in Mafia II. I made a few good posts, but that's it. Most of what I said was 'I'm trying to analyse stuff BRB' and then the mafia killed me. Here, I'm taking fewer notes but keeping up (for some definition of keeping up).
And once again, the analysis I was hoping to post (again, regarding Joth) has been upturned and shot up by events on the last page (again, regarding Joth). So here's what I observed:
Theorel's points about Joth in post 596
Glooble's points about Joth in post 627
These two seemed a bit strange. At the time, Joth was in a little danger - not much, but enough for say scum to be concerned. And both of these made what seemed to me to be a slightly forced 'I think he's town let's back off' post. Like they were covering for scum to some degree. Of course, that relies on Joth being scum, but their defence still seems a little forced.
And then we got the post that made me drop my jaw and almost flip tables. Post 699, where Joth reciprocates that and announces, pretty out of the blue, he has town reads on the two of them.
I honestly don't know what to make of it all. It's
too obvious if they're scum. It's possible they're masons, but generally, I just found it all a bit disconcerting.
Now regarding Joth's claim. It's bad, but it's not something we should be fussing about
too much over. It shouldn't affect if we want to lynch him or not. We know at worst we don't lose a power role, but does his claim affect his chance of being scum? If he's scum, it could be a tactical decoy move, hoping people will just leave him as is (his 'should I self vote' questioning also follows this, town never benefits from selfvoting, mafia can if it ends a day early): So, answer:
No). But if he's town, it could just be an honest mistake. Something I'd believe more if he hadn't gone through Mafia II and seemed a reasonably competent player there.
That's it for my thoughts on Joth. I'll finish up for the day by posting my thoughts on everyone else, in a bit.