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Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« on: October 16, 2023, 01:39:47 pm »
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Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!

In case you hadn’t heard, there is an upcoming errata to effects that let you take an extra turn.  The main goal is to limit the number of turns a player can take in a row, especially if the kingdom contains multiple ways to take an extra turn.  The wording has also changed.  For example, here is the updated wording for Outpost:

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You only draw 3 cards for your next hand.  Take an extra turn after this one (but not a 3rd turn in a row).

So for this contest, your job is to design something* that lets the player take an Extra turn.  Official cards that meet the criteria for the contest are Outpost, Possession, the Odysseys (Voyage), Fleet, Island Folk, Journey, Mission, and Seize the Day.

Contest Guidelines
  • *Anything goes, including kingdom cards, landscapes, non-Supply cards, and all mechanics up to and including Plunder.
  • Many entries will probably need to include some form of “(but not a 3rd turn in a row),” but note that Fleet and Seize the Day remain unchanged, so once-a-game extra turns are safe.

Judgment Details:
  • The contest will close roughly one week from today.
  • I will judge the entries based on balance, wording, simplicity, creativity, and how fun the entry is to play with, with most emphasis on the extra turn effect.



Entries:
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2023, 10:31:44 pm »
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Exploration/Conquistador • Randomizer
The pile starts with player count plus one of each card with all Exploration on top.
Set-up: Set aside six random unused Ways.
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Exploration • $4 • Action - Duration
+1 Villagers
Take an extra turn after this one (but not a 3rd turn in a row), drawing six cards.
For this extra turn, each Action card can only use one of the set aside Ways.
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Conquistador • $5 • Action - Command
+1 Villagers
Play a set aside Way.
Discard up to two Treasure cards not costing $0 to play a set aside Way for each card discarded this way.
Maybe this is simpler.
.            :)
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Previous:
Exploration • $5 • Action - Duration
If this is the first time you played an Exploration this turn, and the previous turn wasn't yours, then take an extra turn after this one where you discard all but one card and draw three cards to start.
I'm not sure there is much design space here, but i can't wait to be proven wrong.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2023, 02:15:31 am »
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The wording is unclear. Do you discard down to 1 and draw 3 or up to 3.
Either way, this is just a buffed Outpost.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2023, 06:46:45 am »
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Carnival!!
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Carnival
Action-Duration. 4$

Take an extra turn after this one. (but not a 3rd turn in a row).
During that Turn, you can only play cards from your hand that you don't have any copies of in play.

V2 has updated wording to be similar to warlord, and costs 4$ per suggestions.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2023, 04:19:59 am by fika monster »
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2023, 09:39:47 am »
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Carnival!!


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Carnival
Action-Duration. 5$

Take an extra turn after this one. (but not a 3rd turn in a row).
During that Turn, you can only play cards you don't have any copies of in play.
What happen when I play Golem on a Carnival turn and reveal two Villages? I see three options:
  • You put Village 2 in play, but it has no effect.
  • You discard Village 2, not playing it.
  • Village 2 remains in set-aside land for the rest of the game.
I think 3 is the most literal interpretation, but it's weird. Option 2 seems like what should happen, but there is no instruction that ever tells you to discard. Option 1 would be a compromise that could probably be explained in an FAQ.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2023, 10:00:57 am »
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The simplest fix is to mirror Warlord's wording: "You can't play cards from your hand that you have copies of in play." That would still let Golems and Heralds play duplicates and avoid weirdness, but still limit playing duplicates normally.

Sidenote, I was going to post this exact card (though I think it can cost $4) but fika beat me to it :)
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2023, 11:36:43 am »
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I'm open to wording suggestions. Do action cards "take" two actions to play? Or do they "cost" two actions?

Then to the cost.  I admit these are hard for my little brain to handle.  With this being non-terminal, does it need to cost 6? I'm trying to compare it to Outpost.  This one basically shuts down all but the very strongest engines, which could be more harsh than Outpost, but on the other hand, this does nothing to harm money decks that only have a couple key actions. 
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2023, 12:37:45 pm »
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Rainbow Bridge
- Action
+1 Card and +2 Actions.
At the start of Clean-up, if there are at least 6 cards that you have exactly 1 copy of in play (counting this), take an extra turn after this one (but not a 3rd turn in a row).

Notes:
Thoughts on the power level appreciated. It can be activated by Rainbow Bridge + any two other actions + Copper/Silver/Gold.

You might be tempted to get more than one Rainbow Bridge especially if there are no other sources of +Actions, but playing a second one means that Rainbow Bridge no longer counts towards its own condition.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2023, 02:20:26 pm »
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Night Shift - Night/Duration, $5
Take an extra turn after this one (but not a 3rd turn in a row), during which all +Cards are ignored.

Made this a while ago. About time I brought it out for a WDC.

FAQ: Chameleon can still give you +Coins, but you can't turn +Coins into +Cards. Draw-to-X still works.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2023, 03:40:32 pm »
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So you don't have to make a card that limits the number of turns, right? That is, if I'm reading the rules correctly.

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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2023, 05:20:17 pm »
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So you don't have to make a card that limits the number of turns, right? That is, if I'm reading the rules correctly.

Keep in mind that the errata now limits Voyage to 1 use per normal turn.  I don’t think the change has a lot to do with the power level adjustment, but instead it’s to stop a player from being able to take many, many turns in a row; even turns as limited as Voyage.  Sure there are only 4 Voyages, but things like Kings Court and Royal Carriage exist.

What's the goal?
DXV has gotten sick of being able to take 3+ turns in a row, every single turn, for the whole game. Fleet and Seize the Day are only once a game, which is why they're safe.

So your card should probably include some limitation on the number of turns that can be taken in a row: either “(but not a 3rd turn in a row),” like most of the extra turn cards after the errata; or a once per game effect, like Fleet or Seize the Day.

You’re welcome to make a card without those limits, or possibly with some other limitation, but it’s definitely risky.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2023, 10:08:05 pm »
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Survey Station: $5
The next time a player gains a Victory card costing $4 or more, take an extra turn after your next turn, but not three turns in a row.


Previous version:
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Survey Station: $5
The next time a player gains a Victory card,
take an extra turn after this one, but not two extra turns in a row.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2023, 02:02:08 am »
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Survey Station: $5
The next time a player gains a Victory card,
take an extra turn after this one, but not two extra turns in a row.

gotta keep track of whose turn it will be after all the extra turns finish.
Seems to me like in 3p, this can lead to situations where one player never gets to make another turn and just sits there while the others piggyback off of one another's turns (though granted, you'd have to have a way to make sure you don't trigger your own Survey Station prematurely).
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2023, 04:20:16 am »
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Carnival!!
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Carnival
Action-Duration. 4$

Take an extra turn after this one. (but not a 3rd turn in a row).
During that Turn, you can only play cards from your hand that you don't have any copies of in play.

V2 has updated wording to be similar to warlord, and costs 4$ per suggestions.

Updated the card slightly
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2023, 04:23:10 am »
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Survey Station: $5
The next time a player gains a Victory card,
take an extra turn after this one, but not two extra turns in a row.

gotta keep track of whose turn it will be after all the extra turns finish.

I feel like this card can be improved by making it
"The next time a player gains a Victory card,
take an extra turn after your next cleanup phase, but not two extra turns in a row."

that way you dont get insta extra turns and risk making the game hard to track or annoying and drawn out.

I think you should also make the card trigger off Victory cards costing $4 or more, as it triggering off estates feels a bit weird to me
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2023, 04:24:59 am »
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Made this a while ago. About time I brought it out for a WDC.

FAQ: Chameleon can still give you +Coins, but you can't turn +Coins into +Cards. Draw-to-X still works.

I feel like the "no + cards" is a bit too stiffling.

What if it was
"Every card aside from the first card played that turn gives one less +card or +action"?
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2023, 10:00:57 am »
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Made this a while ago. About time I brought it out for a WDC.

FAQ: Chameleon can still give you +Coins, but you can't turn +Coins into +Cards. Draw-to-X still works.

I feel like the "no + cards" is a bit too stiffling.

What if it was
"Every card aside from the first card played that turn gives one less +card or +action"?
I disagree. Just because a card (Sleep Walking is the other BM entry) rewards money instead of engine play does not mean that it is bad.
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2023, 10:20:15 am »
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My first idea was to only trash a Gold in play but that is obviously just a less flexible Remodel that is only potentially (it is worse during the opening and middle game) better than Remodel in engines that can net you two Provinces per turn.

My main worry is that this is too bad / lacklustre in normal games and too good / automatic in games with Gold gainers.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2023, 10:37:13 am »
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War Tax
$3 - Event
+1 Buy
Trash a Victory card from hand.
If you have trashed a Province, take an extra turn after this one (but not a third turn in a row)


Dare to gamble to resolve the penultimate Province situation?
Also a modest Estate trasher similar to Bonfire.
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2023, 10:46:39 am »
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Insurance - $5
Treasure/Duration

At the start of your next turn, take the Coffers from this. If there were none, take an extra turn after that one (but not a third turn in a row).
Until then, when anyone gains a Silver, put a Coffers on this.
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« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2023, 11:10:39 am »
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Dejima
cost $6 - Action - Duration
Take an extra turn after this one (but not a 3rd turn in a row), during whose Buy phase you cannot play Treasures from your hand.
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2023, 02:38:58 pm »
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Crusade | Night - Duration | $3
Take an extra turn after this one (but not a 3rd turn in a row).

For the rest of the game, at the start of your turns, gain a Copper onto your deck.

Crusades stay in play forever, like Champion.

Crusades are an easy way to get an extra turn, though be careful. Get too many and you'll end up flooding your deck with Coppers. I don't know too many decks that can handle three top-decked Coppers.

Maybe you can trash the extra coppers you get each turn. Maybe you even want them in your deck if you're super over-drawing. Or maybe there aren't that many turns left in the game that you don't mind a little Copper flooding.

I've meant for the "cost" of them to be mainly the Copper top-decking, so they are relatively cheap and they aren't terminal. I'd even consider costing them $2. Open to feedback.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2023, 02:46:40 pm »
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How about a one-shot? Enterprise is a Silver that hangs around in your deck until you trash it for an extra-turn. You can get some economy in the opening and then pop it later when the timing is better, or take the extra turn right away. Regardless, you'll have keep getting more if you want the extra turns to keep coming. Unlike Mission and Journey, you can gain Enterprises with Workshops and the like.

Sidenote: props to DXV on the new errata wording, this makes extra turn cards SO much simpler, jeez where has this been all these years.
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Re: Weekly Design Contest #202: Extra! Read all about it!
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2023, 07:10:38 pm »
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Time Shift
Event - $3
Take an extra turn after this one (but not a 3rd in a row) in which other players are unaffected by Attacks. Each other player gets +5 cards.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2023, 07:23:07 pm »
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Edited Survey station.
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