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[Commodore Chuckles]

Prediction: Loots will be like an Ally version of Spoils - if the game has something that gives Loots, you randomly select a Loot card, and then the Loot pile will be made of that card.

[Oyvind]

So when are we getting previews?

If I remember correctly, the previews are usually scheduled for the week before the digital release.

[DooWopDJ]

I dare not ask, but with all of the recent 2nd editions, and now plunder, are there any STORAGE options for ALL of the current cards (1st and 2nd editions combined), but even better any options that allow for continued expansions, so I can just add onto the proposed solution?

So I did 'the math' based upon the following - original sets + update packs + promos + base cards + blanks - intrigue + intrigue 2nd (since 1st had repeat of base cards) = 6461
Note: original dominion had 7 extra randomizers for base cards I think, so I am including those too, since it is part of the original 500
(And yes my math skills are only that advanced... my REAL question is the permutations of # of games...and yes including a black market with ALL non-kingdom cards)

This includes-  'unique' cards, including randomizer cards that were included in the set (and promos). - 'the math' is below (I included the non-counted sets).  And 'unique' does not include the 'reworded' versions, as they did not change (too much as I did not know which rewording cards changed from the original)

I am surprised this level of detail is not included in a wiki page as a table, - total cards - new cards totals, reworded cards that 'change play' and reworded that did not 'change play'.


dominion - 500
intrigue 2nd - 268
seaside - 500
propertiy - 300
hinterland - 300
dark ages - 500
adventures - 400
empires - 300
nocturne - 500
renaissance - 300
menagerie - 400
allies - 400
plunder - 500
alchemy - 150
cornucopia - 150
guilds - 150
dominion update - 80
intrigue update - 80
seaside update - 100
prosperity update - 100
hinterland update - 100
envoy - 11
black - 11
stash - 11
walled village - 11
governor - 11
prince - 11
summon - 1
sauna - 11
dismantle - 11
captian  - 11
church - 11
prince - 11
base - 250
= total 6461

intrigue - 500
seaside 2nd - 300
prosperity 2nd - 300
hinterland 2nd - 300

[Wizard_Amul]

It might not be the best solution, but I still think one of the easier and somewhat more elegant solutions is to put multiple expansions in each Dominion box. You'll always be able to expand because you can use the next expansion box you get when you run out of space. I'm currently using 4 boxes, each about 2/3 filled (the structural integrity of the box seemed to get worse when I put too much weight in the middle, so I don't like to fill them past 2/3 full), and there's still some space for another expansion or possibly two (may be pushing it a little on the weight front). I also use a small tackle box for all the additional setup/landscape cards. I have everything except the Dominion base set first edition cards.

[BryGuy]

It might not be the best solution, but I still think one of the easier and somewhat more elegant solutions is to put multiple expansions in each Dominion box. You'll always be able to expand because you can use the next expansion box you get when you run out of space. I'm currently using 4 boxes, each about 2/3 filled (the structural integrity of the box seemed to get worse when I put too much weight in the middle, so I don't like to fill them past 2/3 full), and there's still some space for another expansion or possibly two (may be pushing it a little on the weight front). I also use a small tackle box for all the additional setup/landscape cards. I have everything except the Dominion base set first edition cards.

Did you remove the plastic insert to get that kind of density?
Last week i went on vacation, but had limited room. I left the plastic insert in, but still managed to add almost a full set in the middle space of the two boxes that i brought along. I also have several yellow base card boxes for my fan made cards, of which i brought one.
I keep my essentials in four boxes: Intrigue has base card, Mixed has some Horizontals, Renaissance has mats and tokens, and Menagerie has Horse and some more Horizontals.

[Wizard_Amul]

It might not be the best solution, but I still think one of the easier and somewhat more elegant solutions is to put multiple expansions in each Dominion box. You'll always be able to expand because you can use the next expansion box you get when you run out of space. I'm currently using 4 boxes, each about 2/3 filled (the structural integrity of the box seemed to get worse when I put too much weight in the middle, so I don't like to fill them past 2/3 full), and there's still some space for another expansion or possibly two (may be pushing it a little on the weight front). I also use a small tackle box for all the additional setup/landscape cards. I have everything except the Dominion base set first edition cards.

Did you remove the plastic insert to get that kind of density?
Last week i went on vacation, but had limited room. I left the plastic insert in, but still managed to add almost a full set in the middle space of the two boxes that i brought along. I also have several yellow base card boxes for my fan made cards, of which i brought one.
I keep my essentials in four boxes: Intrigue has base card, Mixed has some Horizontals, Renaissance has mats and tokens, and Menagerie has Horse and some more Horizontals.

Yeah, I removed the plastic inserts. Here is a post and some pictures I had discussing my initial setup--since then I removed the middle column of cards because the boxes started to buckle a bit (I recommend not having a middle column, or alternatively, Adam Horton suggested on the Reddit thread that I add some hardboard to the bottom of the box, which may help prevent buckling):
https://www.reddit.com/r/dominion/comments/b3e4y4/my_free_storage_solution_for_all_expansions/
https://i.imgur.com/mWlbuLV.jpg

[Everly]

I dare not ask, but with all of the recent 2nd editions, and now plunder, are there any STORAGE options for ALL of the current cards (1st and 2nd editions combined), but even better any options that allow for continued expansions, so I can just add onto the proposed solution?

There is this option floating out there.   I've been busy with moving my sister but I know with Plunder coming out some players will be looking to make an adjustment to their storage system.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/13oU4GdEAhJmzLl4lVFlbuLI9938AO-SN/view?usp=sharing

[DooWopDJ]

I noticed that someone has posted a Release date of 1/1/2023 on amazon.  this is the first I have seen someone commit to an actual date.  Although I did not see a cost there
https://www.amazon.com/Dominion-Expansion-Strategy-Exploration-Plundering/dp/B0BMM56M88

[Donald X.]

Plunder previews will run from Dec. 12 through Dec. 16. As usual dominion.games plans to let people play the previews online.

Plunder itself will not be out by Dec. 16 (hence the previews being that week). It's arrived in the US, but it still takes time for it to get from place to place.

[Honkeyfresh]

So when are we getting previews?

I think the site said 12-18 of dec

[allanfieldhouse]

So when are we getting previews?

I think the site said 12-18 of dec

Or read the post immediately above yours...

[mxdata]

So when are we getting previews?

I think the site said 12-18 of dec

Or read the post immediately above yours...

Yeah, but what does that Donald X guy know anyway?

[Donald X.]

**Release date!** Odds are Plunder will come out digitally Monday December 19, both on dominion.games and TGG. And we expect the physical version around the same time.

[Oyvind]

So when are we getting previews?

I think the site said 12-18 of dec

Or read the post immediately above yours...

Yeah, but what does that Donald X guy know anyway?

🤣

[Tamsk]

**Release date!** Odds are Plunder will come out digitally Monday December 19, both on dominion.games and TGG. And we expect the physical version around the same time.

I don't suppose you have any idea when the physical version of Plunder might reach the UK? We're still waiting for the Prosperity/Hinterlands second editions here, so by analogy we'd be looking at something like April/May?

[Donald X.]

**Release date!** Odds are Plunder will come out digitally Monday December 19, both on dominion.games and TGG. And we expect the physical version around the same time.

I don't suppose you have any idea when the physical version of Plunder might reach the UK? We're still waiting for the Prosperity/Hinterlands second editions here, so by analogy we'd be looking at something like April/May?

It's not something I ever know. You could ask the UK publisher.

[Honkeyfresh]

Guys, it’s not confusing.

How often does anyone walk into a room and shout “I love Menagerie” with no context? Does anyone say “Menagerie is my favorite!” with no introduction? Don’t we usually say “Menagerie is my favorite card!” or “Menagerie is my favorite expansion!”

When someone asks “What expansion should I get next?” and someone says “Plunder,” does anyone seriously think the person is suggesting someone go out and individually order a single stack of cards when the OP asked for expansion ideas? When someone says “I used Plunder to win a game the other day,” does it make sense to think they used an entire expansion to win a single game?

It's not just humans.  The FDS extension bot gets confused too

https://tinyurl.com/2kkmjys8

[Imrahil3]

Guys, it’s not confusing.

How often does anyone walk into a room and shout “I love Menagerie” with no context? Does anyone say “Menagerie is my favorite!” with no introduction? Don’t we usually say “Menagerie is my favorite card!” or “Menagerie is my favorite expansion!”

When someone asks “What expansion should I get next?” and someone says “Plunder,” does anyone seriously think the person is suggesting someone go out and individually order a single stack of cards when the OP asked for expansion ideas? When someone says “I used Plunder to win a game the other day,” does it make sense to think they used an entire expansion to win a single game?

It's not just humans.  The FDS extension bot gets confused too

https://tinyurl.com/2kkmjys8

Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response. It doesn’t analyze conversation or look around the room scanning to see if there’s a box that says “Plunder” in bold letters before deciding whether to post the card text or not. It sees Plunder, it knows there is a card named Plunder, it pastes the card text. That’s it.

If somebody said “GUYS! Guess what! I just went to the game store and bought Plunder!” it would be clear that they are referring to the newest expansion, because the alternative would be that the person went to the game store, bought half of a split pile from an expansion that has been out for six and a half years, and expected us to be impressed.

I’m willing to argue with anyone that at least 99% of the time a card and expansion sharing a name is a non-issue. If you disagree, I’d love to hear the exact circumstances under which the word “Plunder” or “Menagerie” or “Loot” was used and you were legitimately confused as to what it meant. Even if somebody just randomly went onto the forums and said “I love Plunder!!!” with no further explanation, I find it doubtful they had waited this long to share their passion love for Plunder the card.

If you genuinely find it confusing then I’m truly sorry for responding so verbosely, but I see folks complaining about this as if it’s a huge problem and Donald should’ve known better but nobody has given any examples of what bad things have actually happened because of it. It’s not some crime against humanity to ask people to use context to determine the meaning of a sentence. If somebody walks into a room and says “Chartreuse!” with no further information, it’s meaningless, even thought chartreuse (to my knowledge) has only one possible meaning.

[GendoIkari]

Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response.

I feel like anyone who says “all it does” like that has never had to wrestle at great lengths to write a regex that can automatically find all card names based on an external JSON file.

That being said, your reply seems way over-the-top. I don’t think anyone was making it out to be some huge problem or complaint; certainly not the post you were replying to.

[Imrahil3]

Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response.

I feel like anyone who says “all it does” like that has never had to wrestle at great lengths to write a regex that can automatically find all card names based on an external JSON file.

That being said, your reply seems way over-the-top. I don’t think anyone was making it out to be some huge problem or complaint; certainly not the post you were replying to.

First, you’re absolutely right, I was over the top. Honkeyfresh, I apologize, please forgive me for going off on you like that.

Re: the bot, I have basic coding knowledge and recognize the creation of the bot is an impressive feat, and I doubt I could recreate it myself in any reasonable amount of time. My point is that saying “See, even the bot is confused!” is irrelevant because the bot was not written to understand context the way a human does.

As for me being over the top, you’re absolutely right, i overreacted to the comment in question. The thing is, I’ve seen a number of people making comments to the effect of “Donald, that was a really dumb move to give an expansion the same name as a card. Why are you making life difficult for us?” as if this is complex problem that ruins the game and Donald is a fool for not choosing a different name. That sounds to me like people making a big deal out of nothing.

[Donald X.]

As for me being over the top, you’re absolutely right, i overreacted to the comment in question. The thing is, I’ve seen a number of people making comments to the effect of “Donald, that was a really dumb move to give an expansion the same name as a card. Why are you making life difficult for us?” as if this is complex problem that ruins the game and Donald is a fool for not choosing a different name. That sounds to me like people making a big deal out of nothing.

The namespace is just too full. The real problem will be cases where I can't reuse the name. Maybe I'll come up with a landscape for a new expansion, it's quests. What do I call these? Quests... missions... expeditions... journeys... Excursions? Let's hope there isn't an Event called Excursion first.

[werothegreat]

It's like MTG coming up with new keywords. I can sort of get what surveil and casualty are going to mean, but connive? In what world am I supposed to assume that "connive" means "draw a card, discard a card, and maybe put a +1/+1 counter on this"?

[GendoIkari]

Sir, it’s a bot. All it does is look for words that match another set of words and post a third set of words in response.

I feel like anyone who says “all it does” like that has never had to wrestle at great lengths to write a regex that can automatically find all card names based on an external JSON file.

That being said, your reply seems way over-the-top. I don’t think anyone was making it out to be some huge problem or complaint; certainly not the post you were replying to.

First, you’re absolutely right, I was over the top. Honkeyfresh, I apologize, please forgive me for going off on you like that.

Re: the bot, I have basic coding knowledge and recognize the creation of the bot is an impressive feat, and I doubt I could recreate it myself in any reasonable amount of time. My point is that saying “See, even the bot is confused!” is irrelevant because the bot was not written to understand context the way a human does.

As for me being over the top, you’re absolutely right, i overreacted to the comment in question. The thing is, I’ve seen a number of people making comments to the effect of “Donald, that was a really dumb move to give an expansion the same name as a card. Why are you making life difficult for us?” as if this is complex problem that ruins the game and Donald is a fool for not choosing a different name. That sounds to me like people making a big deal out of nothing.

Thanks for the apology. My bit about the bot was meant to be in jest, because if taken literally, “all it does” implies that it’s an easy thing to do; though I new that wasn’t what you meant.

[DooWopDJ]

Availability updates?

Yes my patience gets tested with each new tease of another expansion.  I posted the first one awhile ago stating 'Jan 1, 2022' release date,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMM56M88?tag=itemtext-boardgamegeek-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
now there is a 2nd option for less
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BMM56M88/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A33BUW0UC6W05V&psc=1
and a 3rd for a lot less (but no delivery date, but does have a 3 - 10 day delivery window.
https://www.atomicempire.com/Item/326756?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=pla_games&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaWdBhAvEiwAGAQltkujasMxulL1UtMisrW_QCPIH0HQ8PBzqPI8CSgzra2sSgFPfwlv6RoC-40QAvD_BwE
As I tend to rarely trust reliable resources for my Dominion purchases, who do IRL players use as their (US source)?

[Imrahil3]

Availability updates?

Yes my patience gets tested with each new tease of another expansion.  I posted the first one awhile ago stating 'Jan 1, 2022' release date,
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BMM56M88?tag=itemtext-boardgamegeek-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1
now there is a 2nd option for less
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BMM56M88/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A33BUW0UC6W05V&psc=1
and a 3rd for a lot less (but no delivery date, but does have a 3 - 10 day delivery window.
https://www.atomicempire.com/Item/326756?utm_source=google&utm_campaign=pla_games&gclid=CjwKCAiAqaWdBhAvEiwAGAQltkujasMxulL1UtMisrW_QCPIH0HQ8PBzqPI8CSgzra2sSgFPfwlv6RoC-40QAvD_BwE
As I tend to rarely trust reliable resources for my Dominion purchases, who do IRL players use as their (US source)?

I went to a local game store chain (“Games by James” in the Midwest US) and bought it there (They don’t really have an online storefront, sorry). From watching the last couple release cycles, I’d expect your local game store would have it before anybody online. IMO most early online “availability” are scalpers who are just going to hold your order and then fulfill it as soon as it becomes ACTUALLY available.