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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #300 on: January 17, 2022, 01:36:07 pm »

Hmm
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #301 on: January 17, 2022, 01:56:23 pm »

Well… massclaim?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #302 on: January 17, 2022, 02:06:02 pm »

OK, so that confirm some thought I had - at least for now, every day will be d1 and everyone will be "alive".

but are people being NKed?? Does it mean anything that we exiled swowl? (reminder: do note 5 votes for some reason was not actually enough)
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #303 on: January 17, 2022, 02:44:55 pm »

I was going to say we should figure out whose votes don't count, but the vc's don't give us that information. Best guess is that someone on Swowl's wagon was nk'd the night before. If dying takes away your vote, but the number needed to exile stays the same, we're going to be in trouble soon.

Oh, and vote: Galzria

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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #304 on: January 17, 2022, 02:47:33 pm »

What is joth doing to us?  Right now, it feels like a game of "figure out the setup", not "figure out the scum".

Some thoughts...

In some way, at least 1 vote yesterday appeared to not count.  We could presumably put the same 6 voters (5 at a time) on someone today, if we could coordinate that.  It might show whose vote didn't count yesterday.

But it's very possible Swowl and/or another "night kill?" vote might also not count today.  Or maybe the original "vote doesn't count" person is back, and now it's only (1 or both of) Swowl and night kill whose votes don't count today?  But if it's cumulative, we might be down to only 6 possible votes today, and barely be able to get to 5 to exile.

But if night kills don't actually seem to be happening, who are we even trying to exile?

Re: massclaim...
maybe?  But will it help anything?  I think Swowl should claim, since he is apparently still alive.  Is the "life insurance salesman" some sort of role?  Or just thematic?

I'm lost.  Any other ideas?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #305 on: January 17, 2022, 02:48:55 pm »

I expect that if we "exile" someone who is already dead nothing will happen. Could make EOD a bit tricky.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #306 on: January 17, 2022, 03:32:59 pm »

Well… massclaim?

OK, so that confirm some thought I had - at least for now, every day will be d1 and everyone will be "alive".

but are people being NKed?? Does it mean anything that we exiled swowl? (reminder: do note 5 votes for some reason was not actually enough)


Alright, well I’ll jump the gun on this then:

I’m an Odd-Night Doctor, which when assigned the role I didn’t realize was just “You’re a Doctor” (Always D1, apparently).

1-N1 I Doctored Awaclus & there was no NK, which is why he was top of my “Will not Exile” list on 2-D1. 2-N2 I Doctored Gkrieg. At the start of 2-D1 I thought maybe I was just a super-awesome-Doctor, now I’m less convinced about that and think the lack of NK’s might be game-mechanic related.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #307 on: January 17, 2022, 04:03:11 pm »

How did you decide to target Awaclus and then gkrieg?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #308 on: January 17, 2022, 05:01:37 pm »

How did you decide to target Awaclus and then gkrieg?

Fuck.

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Awaclus - Wasn’t on my scumdar 1-D1. I find he’s an early NK target when he’s town because his play style can come across as erratic and unpredictable. He’s active enough to be threatening, and can be difficult to debate with.

Gkrieg - This was harder. Working on the thought still that I blocked 1-N1 NK, I didn’t figure Scum to shoot the same target. Swowl flipping Green made me consider where scum might be. All on his wagon? Assuming you & WCD aren’t both scum, there is probably at least one scum on Swowl.

MiX draws a lot of attention and is an unlikely scum NK target. Between Math, Scola & Gkrieg, I find math scummiest. Then it was a coin between Scola & Gkrieg.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #309 on: January 17, 2022, 05:06:02 pm »

If you found me and Didds so towny, why not pick one of us? And scola got lots of heat the first Day 1. Not a likely nk, yet you flipped a coin between him and gkrieg?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #310 on: January 17, 2022, 06:21:54 pm »

If you found me and Didds so towny, why not pick one of us? And scola got lots of heat the first Day 1. Not a likely nk, yet you flipped a coin between him and gkrieg?

I didn’t find you towny. You in particular have gone way up on my scumdar yesterday. WCD is on the townier though. But if I’m wrong on my feelings about you, then WCD is probably scum. Either way it seemed doubtful Scum would attempt to shoot off Wagon.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #311 on: January 17, 2022, 09:06:59 pm »

Huh. I wonder how we can stop this loop? I suppose exiling scum is the way out, huh.

Mass claim seems about right. I'll wait for Swowl to set an order.

I didn't really put a lot into this game, IRL's been time consuming, but from what I've thought of the game, Galzria seems less townie based on that flip, and honestly Galzria's D2 is so confusing to me, I was initially townreading it, but I don't know now. Scola and math are also going under the radar, with scola in particular going unnoticed D2, it felt. I don't remember much else though.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #312 on: January 17, 2022, 10:11:25 pm »

What?!  This is some Joth nonsense on a whole new level.

I’ll wait for Swowl to se the order to discuss further, but Galz’s choices seem odd to me.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #313 on: January 17, 2022, 11:40:35 pm »

Why would Swowl set the order?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #314 on: January 18, 2022, 04:25:07 am »

Why would Swowl set the order?

Are you suggesting that the flip could be a mod-lie?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #315 on: January 18, 2022, 05:00:33 am »

Why would Swowl set the order?

Who would you recommend instead? And why?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #316 on: January 18, 2022, 08:04:23 am »

Why would Swowl set the order?

His flip was green. That doesn’t make him an IC for you?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #317 on: January 18, 2022, 08:08:35 am »

Can Swowl still post ITT?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #318 on: January 18, 2022, 09:54:59 am »

I see no indication that Swowl was exiled.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #319 on: January 18, 2022, 11:35:15 am »

I see no indication that Swowl was exiled.

The closest indication is that there was a vote count with him at 5 indicating it wasn't the end of the day, then one with him at 6 and the day ended. It shows a town flip, but doesn't mention Swowl.

Mr Mod... did Swowl get exiled?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #320 on: January 18, 2022, 12:16:50 pm »

Okay, my pop culture people… what happened in Groundhog day? How did he stop the loop?
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #321 on: January 18, 2022, 12:34:54 pm »

Okay, my pop culture people… what happened in Groundhog day? How did he stop the loop?

The learned to care for others, and realized that the world doesn’t just center around him. More specifically, he fell in love.

Kinda in order:

He spends much of the movie angry at his circumstances. Then acting out against everyone because he’s realized he has no consequences. Then he tries to make himself a “better” person so that he can get into Rita’s pants. Then finally he realizes he actually loves her and says that even if he has to live this day for the rest of his life, at least he gets to do it with her and that makes him happy. The next morning he wakes up to the same radio opening, but she’s still there with him.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #322 on: January 18, 2022, 02:05:27 pm »

I see no indication that Swowl was exiled.

The closest indication is that there was a vote count with him at 5 indicating it wasn't the end of the day, then one with him at 6 and the day ended. It shows a town flip, but doesn't mention Swowl.

Mr Mod... did Swowl get exiled?

The 6 person vote / flip did specifically say he was exiled. Yes, he's back in some form today but that does make sense with the repeated D1 theme, no? The question is what exactly is means. I agree with whoever posted about whether swowl can post here or not.

And on the front of things being true but not how we think, the exiled part fits into that. And possible the it takes X to exile number in some way? not sure. But it's unclear to me how being flipped as town could mean he's not town.

I also am curious about the plan to mass claim. Since we don't really know if anyone has been truly exiled or nked ("yesterday" every one did post, so if there was a NK that did not stop posting. Who else besides swowl hasn't posted today?

So on a tyoical d3 mass claiming is usually good (I think?), but this one's weird and could just be scum trying to gain info.

Galz's early claim is interesting - if he's town then it should all be true. But I agree the choices seem off. And assuming his doctoring work when it was a repeated D1 seems like too much of a assumption. As scum, it's risky about a counter claim. though of course that's useful for the rest of his team to find the doctor (and encourage mass claim for other roles).

Si I think first things first is we should confirm everyone can still post here.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #323 on: January 18, 2022, 02:07:11 pm »

Agreed with waiting until Swowl posts. But we should set a deadline for Swowl to post before we move on, right? It's possible he can't post and we just don't know it.
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Re: BM 34: Groundhog's Day Mafia
« Reply #324 on: January 18, 2022, 02:08:26 pm »

Agreed with waiting until Swowl posts. But we should set a deadline for Swowl to post before we move on, right? It's possible he can't post and we won't know it, even from joth.

EBWOP, that should be clearer.
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