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[faust]

I hear a lot of complaining about how we're not doing any scumhunting and not a lot of scumhunting.

I'm scumhunting, FWIW. I just don't broadcast my results.

Observing is not complaining. You’ve offered nothing up enigmatic she’s scum one-offs, so there is nothing for me to say to you.

Are you absolutely sure that this is not complaining?

At this point, I’m really just kind of over it. No one cares if I’m scum or not. [...] To me, it feels unfair.. why not just use a RNG?  At the very least it’s a waste of time.

EBWOP

[infangthief]

So, the scummiest of that list are EFHW... <snip>

Why do you think EFHW is scummy this game?

Snipping a much longer list there is way out of context.

Her subsequent play hasn’t been as scummy, but when I wrote that this morning she hadn’t been engaging much.

Ok, so I shouldn't have snipped that post. I shouldn't have quoted it at all. I should just have said "Why do you think EFHW is scummy?"

Because at the point I voted for you, I think your non-fluffy content had been 2 posts:

Mix’s eyeball is also a spaceship.

I’m not sure what to think of Joseph claiming while we’re still talking about the wisdom of claiming.

Valid. No objection to this comment, especially coming from someone who doesn't like engaging in this kind of thing.

Cool VC. Let me just structure it as standard:

Vote Count 1.1:

faust (1): MiX
jotheonah (1): Dylan32
MiX (3): infangthief, Joseph2302, faust
WestCoastDidds (1): gkrieg13

Day 1 ends at 3:00pm EST on Tuesday, December 7th


I reread Dylan and I think he's town. I see very little reason for scum!Joseph to claim when he did. So I'm okay with calling them ICs.

Vote: EFHW, let's move on with the day.

Yeah, but why??

This pinged me as "I feel I need to make a contribution. But I don't have any reads. Normally I have a read on EFHW, but this is awkward because I don't. Let's see what other people think of EFHW."
It's ok to question a vote. I think it is scummy to question a vote when you've provided virtually no opinions (or votes) yourself.
Which is why I responded in #236 asking you what you thought of EFHW.

And, the lack of further activity after that is why I then voted for you.

Then you got round to a good long post giving views on lots of things (#301, the one I snipped from). I think it is mostly towny giving your general reactions to lots of things like that.
But because of my previous question to you about EFHW, I paused when I saw you put her first on your scummy list. Went back and checked what you'd said earlier in the post and all I could find was:

I’m always, always suspicious of EFHW.

Hence the question "Why do you find EFHW scummy this game".

[infangthief]

I get that the game has moved on, and you were on vacation for a fair bit and catching up reading probably out of sync with where the game actually was, and several people have now given their views on EFHW, so I'm probably not going to get the answers I wanted way back 3 days ago. Oh well, opportunity missed.

[Swowl]

because of the hammer in quotes thing we need to have at a minimum one of the mayors on the wagon for the day.
I still think it should be both and we go for over kill.
I also am still a fan of EFHW over the other options, but I will commit to anyone to get both on.
I get the upside of accepting two IC's (which I do), but The downsides of moving past Day 1 with no info on what the mayor's votes do... just seems like absolutely unnecessary and bad.

[infangthief]

vote: MiX
#229 and #259 sum up my reasons pretty well.

[infangthief]

So, the scummiest of that list are EFHW... <snip>

Why do you think EFHW is scummy this game?

It is interesting that he chose this name out of that list.

It was because I'd previously asked her about EFHW and got no response. And because all she had said in this post was "I always find EFHW scummy."

[MiX]

vote: MiX
#229 and #259 sum up my reasons pretty well.

Any real reasons?

Anyway, fang would vote for EFHW if he was scum and she was not. So I think he's town.

[faust]

I do emphatically not approve of the dissolution of the Didds wagon.

[faust]

But, that said,

Vote: MiX

[MiX]

It's so easy to exile Didds for being aggro, but that just makes her boring.

I think scum's very active in this game, so there's probably at least 1 scum wagoned. I don't have a lot of confidence exiling scum this D1 anyway.

But, that said,

Vote: MiX

Oh.

Hey Dylan, can you vote me? Then if I live you aren't both mayors.

[faust]

Hey Dylan, can you vote me? Then if I live you aren't both mayors.

Yeah and afterwards you can vote for yourself to make sure one of them isn't lying.

[faust]

It should be very clear that town!MiX wouldn't ask to potentially be exiled.

[MiX]

It should be very clear that town!MiX wouldn't ask to potentially be exiled.

It should be very clear that scum!MiX wouldn't ask to potentially be exiled.

[faust]

 

[MiX]

It's true! I don't understand how asking to be exiled is proof of my scummyness. At least explain that.

[Joseph2302]

Vote:mix
Let's get some info on the mayor/drunk thing

[faust]

It's true! I don't understand how asking to be exiled is proof of my scummyness. At least explain that.

I suppose it could be helpful for others.

We have 2 options here: Either MiX thinks the 2 Mayors scenario is realistic enough to be considered, or not. It is worth noting that scum!MiX would have a better idea of what to expect than town!MiX, as scum already knows what firepower they have.

Let's consider where MiX thinks it is a realistic option.

Town!MiX perspective:
Then Dylan's vote could be the hammer. The upside is knowing both claimants tell the truth, and the downside is a town death. How bad that is, only MiX knows. However, by offering himself up as a sacrifice, he's basically yelling at scum "LOOK I'M NOT A PR". It's also notable that fang's wagon has been sitting at 2 votes for some time, yet MiX did not suggest to run the test there. Why not? For town!MiX it is certainly better to test on potential!scum!fang than on himself.

Scum!MiX perspective:
There is a good chance that Dylan might comply, which would clearly be terrible for scum if there are 2 Mayors. However, there is still a sufficiently large chance that there's only one Mayor (or maybe MiX knows a scumpartner is among the claimants). If it ends up failing however, MiX can make the argument we just saw - "Scum wouldn't do this". Given that MiX has a late-day wagon building steam, this might provide a way out of a tricky situation, and thus the risk is worth it.

I do think however that it's more likely MiX doesn't take the 2 Mayors scenario seriously.

Town!MiX perspective:
Why then waste time on a test? Dylan doesn't take the scenario seriously either. There is a possible angle whereby MiX is trying to obscure the fact that he has a PR by acting extremely VT-like, but in the end that sort of play is disingenuous and thus a bad idea to do as town, as it will rightly be read as scummy. Especially considering that he might be forced into a claim either way, considering he's a major wagon in the last 12 hours of the Day.

Scum!MiX perspective:
Basically what I said about the scum!MiX perspective before still holds true, only now MiX actually doesn't think it's even a risk, so there is an even stronger incentive to use this sort of posturing as a way to deflect his wagon.

[MiX]

So, about not saying "let's test on fang", I think it was some combination of the wrong amount of votes and it being too early? It also felt wrong to suggest it on anyone other than myself.

I'm taking the 2 mayor case very seriously, as I think it's the most likely option. Not by a lot, but I think having 1 mayor and 1 drunk is just a little bit too predictable. And of course, it doesn't realistically make sense for scum to claim D1 anyway.

Everyone is a good test for 2 mayors though. Even if a cop dies, we get 2 ICs.

[faust]

it doesn't realistically make sense for scum to claim D1 anyway.

Everyone is a good test for 2 mayors though. Even if a cop dies, we get 2 ICs.

These two contradict each other. Either we already have ICs, or we get them by testing.

[MiX]

it doesn't realistically make sense for scum to claim D1 anyway.

Everyone is a good test for 2 mayors though. Even if a cop dies, we get 2 ICs.

These two contradict each other. Either we already have ICs, or we get them by testing.

They're not ICs until they're tested. The above sentence is about what I seriously consider, and because I don't think they're scum, the chances of both being mayors increases.

[jotheonah]

MiX is actually making sense here if you accept his big premise, that 2 mayors are possible.

But it’s a ridiculous premise. The whole “one of each is too predictable” thing this just fancy play syndrome.

[jotheonah]

Speaking of fancy play though, offering himself up as a sacrifice because he’s betting that we won’t believe anyone who offers themselves up as a sacrifice is scum does seem like something MiX might do.

He also might be hoping to run out the clock trying to test. Then he gets the benefit of being willing to be the exile without actually having to be the exile. I think the chances of us accidentally no exiling while trying to do a claim-testing plan are significant.

All that said, I’m not super sold on the MiX wagon but I’ll vote there to get an exile.

[Joseph2302]

He also might be hoping to run out the clock trying to test. Then he gets the benefit of being willing to be the exile without actually having to be the exile. I think the chances of us accidentally no exiling while trying to do a claim-testing plan are significant.

That's why I committed a vote, because I think we need to do the test, and then assuming it doesn't lead to an exile (which seems likely IMO), then we'll need to actually exile someone

[Joseph2302]

It's why I was tempted to vote for Didds yesterday, even though I don't think she was a create choice to exile. Because getting the test done (which IMO has a low chance of causing an exile) gives information, and then we can work towards actually exiling

[infangthief]

I do emphatically not approve of the dissolution of the Didds wagon.

It is interesting that MiX had the opportunity to really make that wagon roll, and didn't.