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[WestCoastDidds]

I think some of fangs early games were before MiX joined us. But anyway, fang meet miX! He’s also in Europe so you’ll have someone to talk to early in the morning. And Joth! You haven’t met Joth! Joth is awesome. He’s a word guy. And gkrieg! Gkrieg is awesome, too! He’s an OG, and knows the ancient fds lore along with faust.

Hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi hi!!!

I don’t count them, I just get all excited that we’re playing. I’m literally the person that starts waving as soon as they can see you!!

[MiX]

Oooh, literally.

So, does anyone else think scola's reaction to my vote is more scum indicative than not?

[faust]

Joth is awesome. He’s a word guy. And gkrieg! Gkrieg is awesome, too! He’s an OG, and knows the ancient fds lore along with faust.

joth is really more of an OG than either gkrieg or me.

[faust]

Oooh, literally.

So, does anyone else think scola's reaction to my vote is more scum indicative than not?

I mean, I voted for the guy, what else do you need to know?

[faust]

8 town vs 3 scum is balanced, it's 3 exiles for either team. I don't think scum needs to have kingpin. But it's a pretty creative role, I would be surprised if math wasn't tempted to put it in

There's also town nerfs (drunk) that might balance things if there's only 2 scum.

Hm maybe, but I don't think you'd want to put more than one drunk in a setup. That could leave town unable to secure an exile as early as D3.

And a single drunk isn't really much of a nerf.

[faust]

Some speculation on scum composition... surely there would have to be at least 3? 2 in 11 might be roughly balanced in an all-vanilla game, but I doubt that mathdude is messing with us in that way.

That means that probably they have a Kingpin as a nerf.

Why does faust always say what I'm thinking (but clearer than I would have said it)?

Strongest 2-person scum team would be rolecop + roleblocker. If they had that could they do night kill as well as both cop and block?

It's worth noting that both those PRs are only as good as the town PRs they target. A setup where scum has Rolecops/Roleblockers can never be better for scum than a full vanilla game.

[MiX]

Some speculation on scum composition... surely there would have to be at least 3? 2 in 11 might be roughly balanced in an all-vanilla game, but I doubt that mathdude is messing with us in that way.

That means that probably they have a Kingpin as a nerf.

Why does faust always say what I'm thinking (but clearer than I would have said it)?

Strongest 2-person scum team would be rolecop + roleblocker. If they had that could they do night kill as well as both cop and block?

It's worth noting that both those PRs are only as good as the town PRs they target. A setup where scum has Rolecops/Roleblockers can never be better for scum than a full vanilla game.

No, being sure certain players are vanilla/didn't do anything last night is valuable on its own.

Oooh, literally.

So, does anyone else think scola's reaction to my vote is more scum indicative than not?

I mean, I voted for the guy, what else do you need to know?

I wanna know about other people, of course.

[WestCoastDidds]

Joth is awesome. He’s a word guy. And gkrieg! Gkrieg is awesome, too! He’s an OG, and knows the ancient fds lore along with faust.

joth is really more of an OG than either gkrieg or me.

Oh! I didn't know.  When I started playing Joth was not playing... I must have entered the scene during his break!

[EFHW]

We're back!

[scolapasta]

Man, I seem to have riled up the Euros with my Messi love - didn't think Germany had anyone in the running (not that Ronaldo was either). Now if anyone from Poland was playing I might understand...

Anyway, on to the actual game.

I think I've played with everyone here at least once. Not that that will help me much with my reads, based on past experience.

[jotheonah]

Hello, what's all this then?

Some people who've been in every game I've played: Didds, Swowl
Some people who've been in 1 or 2 games I've played: faust, EFHW, Joseph, Dylan, Scola
Some people I've never played with: MiX, gkrieg, joth

Think that's everyone.

we've never played together? that seems wrong to me
Also, MiX is in like every game ever so I'm skeptical of that too

[jotheonah]

Joth is awesome. He’s a word guy. And gkrieg! Gkrieg is awesome, too! He’s an OG, and knows the ancient fds lore along with faust.

joth is really more of an OG than either gkrieg or me.

I've been on this forum for an actual decade.

[jotheonah]

Hello everyone!

Friendly reminder that L-1 is hammer in this setup.

Vote: scola

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Is this scummy because reading the setup or towny because he didn't need to mention this?  Probably neither. Or both.

[faust]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

[faust]

Actually all of them need to claim, otherwise this won't work.

[MiX]

Man, I seem to have riled up the Euros with my Messi love - didn't think Germany had anyone in the running (not that Ronaldo was either). Now if anyone from Poland was playing I might understand...

Anyway, on to the actual game.

I think I've played with everyone here at least once. Not that that will help me much with my reads, based on past experience.

In what game did you have bad reads, despite knowing most of the players?

[EFHW]

Joth is awesome. He’s a word guy. And gkrieg! Gkrieg is awesome, too! He’s an OG, and knows the ancient fds lore along with faust.

joth is really more of an OG than either gkrieg or me.

I've been on this forum for an actual decade.

same

[jotheonah]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

You may want to lay out the whole plan before encouraging any claims.

We can run someone up to X-2 with no drunk/mayor votes and then have the claimed drunk/mayor(s) vote one at a time. If they're drunks, that doesn't actually prove their claim. If they're a real mayor it does, but then the day ends and scum can NK them. Maybe we can protect them, maybe not.

Or we can run someone up to X-1, then have the drunks/mayors vote one at a time. That will prove a drunk if there's another vote count and the day doesn't end. But a mayor voting in that scenario will end the day but won't have their claim confirmed, so they won't really be an IC.

I suppose we could wait to decide between plan 1 and plan 2 until after people claim. That will make it a little harder for a lying scum to game the system.

Anyway, the plan still requires us to select an exile target for the day.

[EFHW]

The possible existence of an insane cop is a pretty big nerf for town.

[Joseph2302]

Joth is awesome. He’s a word guy. And gkrieg! Gkrieg is awesome, too! He’s an OG, and knows the ancient fds lore along with faust.

joth is really more of an OG than either gkrieg or me.

I've been on this forum for an actual decade.

same

I have also just reached 10 year on here (although does it count, when I didn't post here for over a year?)

[Joseph2302]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

You may want to lay out the whole plan before encouraging any claims.

We can run someone up to X-2 with no drunk/mayor votes and then have the claimed drunk/mayor(s) vote one at a time. If they're drunks, that doesn't actually prove their claim. If they're a real mayor it does, but then the day ends and scum can NK them. Maybe we can protect them, maybe not.

Or we can run someone up to X-1, then have the drunks/mayors vote one at a time. That will prove a drunk if there's another vote count and the day doesn't end. But a mayor voting in that scenario will end the day but won't have their claim confirmed, so they won't really be an IC.

I suppose we could wait to decide between plan 1 and plan 2 until after people claim. That will make it a little harder for a lying scum to game the system.

Anyway, the plan still requires us to select an exile target for the day.

The problem is that the drunk doesn't know they're drunk, so all we'd know from that is that they aren't a mayor (but not if they're drunk or lying)

[jotheonah]

Right, so.

It's probably good to make an IC, right?

So we need a Mayor/Drunk to claim please.

You may want to lay out the whole plan before encouraging any claims.

We can run someone up to X-2 with no drunk/mayor votes and then have the claimed drunk/mayor(s) vote one at a time. If they're drunks, that doesn't actually prove their claim. If they're a real mayor it does, but then the day ends and scum can NK them. Maybe we can protect them, maybe not.

Or we can run someone up to X-1, then have the drunks/mayors vote one at a time. That will prove a drunk if there's another vote count and the day doesn't end. But a mayor voting in that scenario will end the day but won't have their claim confirmed, so they won't really be an IC.

I suppose we could wait to decide between plan 1 and plan 2 until after people claim. That will make it a little harder for a lying scum to game the system.

Anyway, the plan still requires us to select an exile target for the day.

The problem is that the drunk doesn't know they're drunk, so all we'd know from that is that they aren't a mayor (but not if they're drunk or lying)

Right. To put it another way. We can ask for all Mayors to claim.

Anyone who claims can be
- Mayor
- Drunk
- Lying scum

We have two ways to test people (that I can think of). One of them (getting someone to X2 then having claimants vote) will tell us if someone is a true mayor or not, but not whether they're a drunk or a liar. And we can use it any number of times until we get a positive result.

The other (getting someone to X1 and then having claimants vote) will tell us if someone is a drunk, but not whether they're a mayor or a liar. And we can use it until we get a negative result.

Neither method seems optimal, and neither gets us out of scumhunting for today. Method one can never get us an IC we  can use today. Method two can potentially get us an IC we can use today, IF we have a drunk and IF we test multiple claimants (assuming we have them) in the correct order.

[jotheonah]

Finally, this plan will work more reliably today than it ever will again, because of the possibility of roleblockers.

[MiX]

I want to see the day where we can come up with a good D1 exile to do these experiments on.

FYI, I'm against plans like these. I think mayor's already basically a trigger IC that can be roleblocked. Which is still a trigger IC.

[scolapasta]

Man, I seem to have riled up the Euros with my Messi love - didn't think Germany had anyone in the running (not that Ronaldo was either). Now if anyone from Poland was playing I might understand...

Anyway, on to the actual game.

I think I've played with everyone here at least once. Not that that will help me much with my reads, based on past experience.

In what game did you have bad reads, despite knowing most of the players?

It's not so much about bad reads (though I have had them), just more so that I don't think I'm good at generating "good" reads.