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Sorry, falling behind. Will catch up tomorrow, been a couple crazy days

[WestCoastDidds]

I got you, iguana. MiX is being very town MiX!

Lol Didds. I don't even know what you're trying to do here.

I've mentioned you're town right? Didds' town.

Well, he said he followed me to Joth. I feel like I’m vibing with iguana…. So he should get right on this. You’re being way to restrained to be scum.

[WestCoastDidds]

If we knew Joth's alignment right now, this whole day could be very different and we would know whether to be looking at the people who were partnery with him or the people who drove his exile.

On the other hand, I'm alive right now which is nice.

We do so enjoy you

[WestCoastDidds]

I got you, iguana. MiX is being very town MiX!

As someone whose never had to actually read MiX before, any advice? Because I'm having a hard time

So, my impression is that town MiX is very analytical and will push the game forward. He’ll do things to draw out players would are chilling on the side. He’s pretty much the a one man anti-stall. That is what I’m attributing the early vote to. Plus, I think it’s very likely that he did arrive at a conclusion during N1 because he is a re-reader. I think if he read the move as a way to jump start the day, he was successful.

Scum mix flies around a lot and votes erratically. Sometimes he’ll get aggro and tussle with someone else without any real point other than clouding the thread. With only a couple of exceptions, I’ve been able to tell when he’s been “off”.

A mix of either alignment makes all kinds of declarations “x is town!” And will declare himself an IC at the smallest provocation. In our very first game together he was bossing me around and it REALLY upset me. Now I see it as bluster.

In the game I find him calm and methodical. For me, that is town mix.

[WestCoastDidds]

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

Because I won't ever have all the relevant information. I want to create more of it, and voting helps with that.

I think another point iguana, is that he’s not pushing for an exile. He’s voting for someone. I don’t think those are the same thing.

[MiX]

A mix of either alignment makes all kinds of declarations “x is town!” And will declare himself an IC at the smallest provocation. In our very first game together he was bossing me around and it REALLY upset me. Now I see it as bluster.

Was our first game the SK game? That's a rough introduction to me, yeah.

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

Because I won't ever have all the relevant information. I want to create more of it, and voting helps with that.

I think another point iguana, is that he’s not pushing for an exile. He’s voting for someone. I don’t think those are the same thing.

Well...hmm...I'm okay with quickexiling math. Last time that happened I shot the hammering scum.

[WestCoastDidds]

A mix of either alignment makes all kinds of declarations “x is town!” And will declare himself an IC at the smallest provocation. In our very first game together he was bossing me around and it REALLY upset me. Now I see it as bluster.

Was our first game the SK game? That's a rough introduction to me, yeah.

Yeah, deep space nine. I do t think I came around on you until after you said you felt bad for vengekilling me in whatever game that was!

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

Because I won't ever have all the relevant information. I want to create more of it, and voting helps with that.

I think another point iguana, is that he’s not pushing for an exile. He’s voting for someone. I don’t think those are the same thing.

Well...hmm...I'm okay with quickexiling math. Last time that happened I shot the hammering scum.
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[MiX]

A mix of either alignment makes all kinds of declarations “x is town!” And will declare himself an IC at the smallest provocation. In our very first game together he was bossing me around and it REALLY upset me. Now I see it as bluster.

Was our first game the SK game? That's a rough introduction to me, yeah.

Yeah, deep space nine. I do t think I came around on you until after you said you felt bad for vengekilling me in whatever game that was!

Oh, good times. I guess I still owe Jimmmmm a good old fashioned exile for that game.


I was thinking of rereading stuff, but I'm liking the thread right now, gonna let it marinate for a bit while e and a bunch of other people settle in.

Hmm, I really should've voted math yesterday, huh, there's not much to do today. Oh well, hindsight says it didn't matter anyway 

[WestCoastDidds]

I love the imagery of letting a game marinate

[Swowl]

*snip*

I guess if you are saying that the MiX/WCD votes had more to do with it, I can somewhat see your logic. But then why not say, I voted there because I was sheeping my TRs? Instead you make it about which wagon is sKummier.

What? That is literally exactly the language I when first asked about all this.

Pretty much the people on the wagons. I was/am way more suspicious of the people on Math than I was on Joth. I wanted an exile to happen so I needed to move from efoo. So I sheeped the one with more of my TRs

[iguanaiguana]

*snip*

I guess if you are saying that the MiX/WCD votes had more to do with it, I can somewhat see your logic. But then why not say, I voted there because I was sheeping my TRs? Instead you make it about which wagon is sKummier.

What? That is literally exactly the language I when first asked about all this.

Pretty much the people on the wagons. I was/am way more suspicious of the people on Math than I was on Joth. I wanted an exile to happen so I needed to move from efoo. So I sheeped the one with more of my TRs

Okay, you are right, I'm sorry. I was conflating something you said yesterday with something you said today. I was thinking EoD1 you called the Math wagon scummy but I looked back and saw you didn't

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: faust

[iguanaiguana]

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

[Jimmmmm]

Oh, good times. I guess I still owe Jimmmmm a good old fashioned exile for that game.

What did I do??

[gkrieg13]

Still need to catch up. We’ll probably do it tomorrow.

[WestCoastDidds]

Oh, good times. I guess I still owe Jimmmmm a good old fashioned exile for that game.

What did I do??

MiX has an encyclopedic memory. This is almost two years ago (when he vengekilled me instead of scum!you). Prepare to suffer his wrath…one day…

I don't have words for this game, so I'm gonna choose to say "screw Jimmmmm for not being active D1 enough for me to vig him" and...and yeah.

[Jimmmmm]

Apparently not quite encyclopedic. In DS9 (Redux) I was lurky Town and died Night 1.

[mathdude]

Vote: faust

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

unvote

[Jimmmmm]

Also, have to say this.

I've never seen someone use a spreadsheet before. It made me think of of when Teproc dumped his entire QT into the thread and made no QT quoting a rule lol. Jim is playing next level here.

You should see my actual spreadsheet.

[Jimmmmm]

Jimmmmm's...posts D2. Like, all of them. The way he was arguing about the wagon analysis felt like he was shooting down any meaningful discussion.

I feel like this is the opposite of what I was doing. Like, "Give me something meaningful about this assumption." And surely questioning a change in someone's read is always a discussion worth having.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: faust

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

unvote

It doesn't have to be both! Trust me, I can be town and also be super detrimental. That is most likely the case here.

At any rate, I wasn't sheeping you, and actually I had no idea you were even voting faust.

I really honestly believe that you can't write a good case against faust. He has played in near every game I've played in since 2015, and I don't think I've ever been able to read him accurately. Mostly I find him to be towny even when he is scum. Last game I trusted that read and lost.

This game, I am not feeling the case against Jim at all. EFHW seemed scummy at first but has largely come back from that. I also have reasons to believe that you (Math) are town. I'm least sure about Joth, but a large part of that is just PoE from my other townreads.

So those are the major wagons that we've had, and I don't feel great about any of them. So it begs the question, if all of those people are town (possible), who is scum? Probably someone who is playing quite well. Hence, the vote on faust, who I think always plays well as scum.

You can call that grasping at straws if you want. But I have certainly put thought into it.

[Swowl]

Vote: faust

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

You're really grasping at straws, aren't you? Just trying to see who will bite and where. You're either super helpful and going to stumble on something good, or you're scum trying to mislead us. I don't like you sheeping my vote.

unvote

so you tried to see who would bite. then someone bit. and then you outted your plan and bailed.
How does that make sense?

[faust]

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

There isn't a lot I can do about that, is there?

I think you may have been looking for scum in the wrong places. And I guess - you are continuing to do so.

[iguanaiguana]

No, I don't think there is a lot you can do about being scum.

[MiX]

No, I don't think there is a lot you can do about being scum.

When you can't find scum, look at lurkers. Faust is not one of them this game.