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[MiX]

This is literally town!math being the D1 exile.

And now you vote Math. What changed your mind?

It must needs be remarked that MiX has rudely ignored this question.

I think he's scummy.

I actually had time to reread him at night.

[iguanaiguana]

faust's case makes a ton of sense, but it's faust and he literally always convinces me, even when he's scum.

Joth's case is not super convincing. It's basically, let's sheep Lalight. But I townread Joth for more of the day yesterday, and I still am not seeing it now.

This is all making me even more frustrated that I didn't manage to get my vote to Joth yesterday. If we knew Joth's alignment right now, this whole day could be very different and we would know whether to be looking at the people who were partnery with him or the people who drove his exile. 

I am very much not sorted right now and suspicious of everyone who came in and voted right away before any discussion.

[iguanaiguana]

This is literally town!math being the D1 exile.

And now you vote Math. What changed your mind?

It must needs be remarked that MiX has rudely ignored this question.

I think he's scummy.

I actually had time to reread him at night.

How is it that you make up your mind so quickly? Don't you care what other people say on day 2??

[iguanaiguana]

faust's case makes a ton of sense, but it's faust and he literally always convinces me, even when he's scum.

Joth's case is not super convincing. It's basically, let's sheep Lalight. But I townread Joth for more of the day yesterday, and I still am not seeing it now.

This is all making me even more frustrated that I didn't manage to get my vote to Joth yesterday. If we knew Joth's alignment right now, this whole day could be very different and we would know whether to be looking at the people who were partnery with him or the people who drove his exile. 

I am very much not sorted right now and suspicious of everyone who came in and voted right away before any discussion.

more=most

To be clear the only time I was starting to consider a possible scum joth was the very end of the day after WCD voted.

[iguanaiguana]

Well, Town also wants to make sure the other guy is exiled.

Yes, I'm annoyed with both of them.

[iguanaiguana]

Also, have to say this.

I've never seen someone use a spreadsheet before. It made me think of of when Teproc dumped his entire QT into the thread and made no QT quoting a rule lol. Jim is playing next level here.

[iguanaiguana]

What a waste of time.

Jimmmmm, why can't we focus on the wagons first for the sole reason people scumread them?

I don't understand this post. Can you explain. What were you calling a waste of time?

[iguanaiguana]

Ok, I see you say that you had more townreads on the Joth wagon than the Math wagon.

@Swowl Who was scummy on the Math wagon and who was towny on the Joth wagon that made you pick Joth over Math EoD1?

I have already mentioned that WCD and MiX are my TRs on the Joth wagon.
I have already mentioned that I think Jimmm is town, from the Math wagon.
I have not mentioned that I think you are moderately skummy so far this game.

Those would be my big three.

ppe - tons of faust

Ok, I keep tripping over this and it's not because of OMGUS. I don't know if it really checks out.

TR on WCD - sure, whatever. She gets those.
TR on MiX?

And then you say you voted Joth over Math because I was voting Math and you don't trust me.

First of all, why? You ignored me yesterday for one.

Also, IIRC I was already voting Math when you first called Math scummy, so why didn't my scumminess enter into your calculus at the the time you first read him?

[jotheonah]

If we knew Joth's alignment right now, this whole day could be very different and we would know whether to be looking at the people who were partnery with him or the people who drove his exile.

On the other hand, I'm alive right now which is nice.

[MiX]

Also, have to say this.

I've never seen someone use a spreadsheet before. It made me think of of when Teproc dumped his entire QT into the thread and made no QT quoting a rule lol. Jim is playing next level here.

We need Space back!

[MiX]

This is literally town!math being the D1 exile.

And now you vote Math. What changed your mind?

It must needs be remarked that MiX has rudely ignored this question.

I think he's scummy.

I actually had time to reread him at night.

How is it that you make up your mind so quickly? Don't you care what other people say on day 2??

Night time is 2 days, I think it's reasonable to get a read like "I think he's scummy".

Yes I care about what people say, which is why I haven't explained why I scumread him.

[MiX]

What a waste of time.

Jimmmmm, why can't we focus on the wagons first for the sole reason people scumread them?

I don't understand this post. Can you explain. What were you calling a waste of time?

Jimmmmm's...posts D2. Like, all of them. The way he was arguing about the wagon analysis felt like he was shooting down any meaningful discussion.

[MiX]

Iguana, I understand you can't fathom having a townread on me, but others can.

[WestCoastDidds]

I got you, iguana. MiX is being very town MiX!

[MiX]

I got you, iguana. MiX is being very town MiX!

Lol Didds. I don't even know what you're trying to do here.

I've mentioned you're town right? Didds' town.

[Swowl]

Alternatively, they were both town so scum didn't bother to show up at EOD.

What is your logic there?
Exile is better than not if they are both town right?

They would have assumed that town would make sure an exile went through. Jimmmmm was the only one with an inconvenient time zone, I think. I'm not saying I think this is what happened. I'm saying it is just as likely as your theory.

Loath though I am to admit it, I am agreeing with Jimmmmm here. Your conclusion that one of them has to be scum is flimsy at best, and then you say there are only two choices, math and joth.

The no exile is also complicated by the fact that MiX says he was policy not-voting math because of all the early exiles math has had.

I am absolutely not arguing with you on "flimsy". It is just the best I have to go with.
LL did not really have any like relevant interaction day 1 from what I see, so trying to potentially partner search or something just keeps bringing me back to a base of who I think is likely skum. And because Day 1 is all I have to go on, I think it is one of Joth or Math.
Like I am not saying that there is not anyone else that I would not vote for, I just think by comparison that Math/Joth is the best and/or most informative pool.

[Swowl]

Ok, I see you say that you had more townreads on the Joth wagon than the Math wagon.

@Swowl Who was scummy on the Math wagon and who was towny on the Joth wagon that made you pick Joth over Math EoD1?

I have already mentioned that WCD and MiX are my TRs on the Joth wagon.
I have already mentioned that I think Jimmm is town, from the Math wagon.
I have not mentioned that I think you are moderately skummy so far this game.

Those would be my big three.

ppe - tons of faust

Ok, I keep tripping over this and it's not because of OMGUS. I don't know if it really checks out.

TR on WCD - sure, whatever. She gets those.
TR on MiX?

And then you say you voted Joth over Math because I was voting Math and you don't trust me.

First of all, why? You ignored me yesterday for one.

Also, IIRC I was already voting Math when you first called Math scummy, so why didn't my scumminess enter into your calculus at the the time you first read him?

1. I would rather not go into why I think this is Town!MiX (that is not a crumb, it is reads based). But yeah... town mix.
2. My skummy read on you, which I did make sure to put "moderately" in front of, is also based on more gut than anything else.
3. I don't get your IIRC comment. You were voting Math. I thought you were kinda acting skummy. That deterred me from voting Math.

If it helps, the town reads on MiX and WCD weighed far heavier into my decision then my skum reads in the other direction.

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana, I understand you can't fathom having a townread on me, but others can.

It's not that no one could TR you but I do want to know where he's coming from on said town read

[iguanaiguana]

I got you, iguana. MiX is being very town MiX!

As someone whose never had to actually read MiX before, any advice? Because I'm having a hard time

[iguanaiguana]

This is literally town!math being the D1 exile.

And now you vote Math. What changed your mind?

It must needs be remarked that MiX has rudely ignored this question.

I think he's scummy.

I actually had time to reread him at night.

How is it that you make up your mind so quickly? Don't you care what other people say on day 2??

Night time is 2 days, I think it's reasonable to get a read like "I think he's scummy".

Yes I care about what people say, which is why I haven't explained why I scumread him.

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

[MiX]

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

Because I won't ever have all the relevant information. I want to create more of it, and voting helps with that.

[iguanaiguana]

Ok, I see you say that you had more townreads on the Joth wagon than the Math wagon.

@Swowl Who was scummy on the Math wagon and who was towny on the Joth wagon that made you pick Joth over Math EoD1?

I have already mentioned that WCD and MiX are my TRs on the Joth wagon.
I have already mentioned that I think Jimmm is town, from the Math wagon.
I have not mentioned that I think you are moderately skummy so far this game.

Those would be my big three.

ppe - tons of faust

Ok, I keep tripping over this and it's not because of OMGUS. I don't know if it really checks out.

TR on WCD - sure, whatever. She gets those.
TR on MiX?

And then you say you voted Joth over Math because I was voting Math and you don't trust me.

First of all, why? You ignored me yesterday for one.

Also, IIRC I was already voting Math when you first called Math scummy, so why didn't my scumminess enter into your calculus at the the time you first read him?

1. I would rather not go into why I think this is Town!MiX (that is not a crumb, it is reads based). But yeah... town mix.
2. My skummy read on you, which I did make sure to put "moderately" in front of, is also based on more gut than anything else.
3. I don't get your IIRC comment. You were voting Math. I thought you were kinda acting skummy. That deterred me from voting Math.

If it helps, the town reads on MiX and WCD weighed far heavier into my decision then my skum reads in the other direction.

The point is, at one point you said Math was your second top scumread after EFHW. At that point, the Math wagon was pretty much the same then as it was later on when you came in and voted your too-sKummy-to-b-sKum read instead. The only difference on the Math wagon was that Jim joined it, who you are saying was your town read on the Math wagon. Did you not take who was voting Math into consideration when you initially read Math as sKum?

I guess if you are saying that the MiX/WCD votes had more to do with it, I can somewhat see your logic. But then why not say, I voted there because I was sheeping my TRs? Instead you make it about which wagon is sKummier.

[iguanaiguana]

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

Because I won't ever have all the relevant information. I want to create more of it, and voting helps with that.

Ok, well, yesterday you thought Math was town and I thought you were wrong. Today, I still think you are wrong. Or, maybe you are scum.

[MiX]

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

Because I won't ever have all the relevant information. I want to create more of it, and voting helps with that.

Ok, well, yesterday you thought Math was town and I thought you were wrong. Today, I still think you are wrong. Or, maybe you are scum.

What have we learned about thinking each other's wrong?

That's right. Everyone is wrong. So what does that matter?

[iguanaiguana]

I just think it is suspicious to start right away with a vote. But I guess it can be a difference of playstyle. The only day where I usually vote early is D1 (out of necessity.) I try to delay voting D2 until at the very least everyone has posted because there can always be results and results can inform things. A vote is for an exile. So why would you want to push an exile before you have all the possible relevant information?

Because I won't ever have all the relevant information. I want to create more of it, and voting helps with that.

Ok, well, yesterday you thought Math was town and I thought you were wrong. Today, I still think you are wrong. Or, maybe you are scum.

What have we learned about thinking each other's wrong?

That's right. Everyone is wrong. So what does that matter?

Well, exactly one of us is wrong about Math. More later.