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[MiX]

I’m frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/

oh, unironically welcome to the club

I bet my win record is worse than either of y'alls.

Don't worry, a good player such as myself has one of the worst win records, so clearly this means you're skilled.

The real way to win is to never be town, isn't that right Dylan? Or be survivor 3 times...

[iguanaiguana]

You want to exile me without providing reasons?

Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?

[iguanaiguana]

I don't see the case for Jim at all. Looking through his ISO... he's done nothing but scumhunt. Is scumhunting supposed to be scummy now?

As for EFHW... I am also voting for her because of what I perceived as defensiveness. The majority of her posts so far (other than saying hello & asking a question to Math) are literally her defending herself... so I don't see how anyone can see it as anything but being defensive. I get that she was responding to having two votes on her before she'd even made a substantial post, but her defense seems over-exaggerated to me.

So for me EFHW is scummy because she has done hardly any scumhunting, even if I ask.

[mathdude]

Can someone articulate why the Jimmmmm wagon?

Because you're questioning it. That puts the chance out there that the two of you are partners.

[mathdude]

Hi Everybody!

What meaningful scumtells do you infer from this post? Quacks like RVS to me.

TBH though, the interactions before and after this rang a little scummy to me. So my vote wasn't entirely without reason. Also, creating interaction, seeing who defends and who jumps on wagon is helpful too.

[LaLight]

I’m frustrated with being so sucky at a game I enjoy. :/

oh, unironically welcome to the club

I bet my win record is worse than either of y'alls.

I didn't say you weren't in the club

[faust]

I have reached the critical point of faust that I only want to misexile them.

Faust, do you think this discussion will help catch a wolf?

Probably not. You never know though.

[faust]

I feel like this game has a whole lot of "[player] is [alignment]" with very few reasons provided, and I'm not sure what to do with that.

Welcome to playing with MiX! And apparently faust is being MiX now too. I can't scumread MiX for it... But faust was doing this last game as scum for scum reasons and now he's doing it again.

What is it that i am doing that I was doing as scum?

[faust]

You want to exile me without providing reasons?

Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?

Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.

[faust]

I don't see the case for Jim at all. Looking through his ISO... he's done nothing but scumhunt. Is scumhunting supposed to be scummy now?

Can you point me to posts where Jimmmmm scumhunts?

[faust]

You want to exile me without providing reasons?

Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?

Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.

This is in my personal QT from that game by the way, I could share that if it helps and if joth thinks it's fine. Otherwise joth can confirm.

[faust]

Anyways, Jimmmmm, you do realise you implied that you want us to not exile you without providing reasons?

"[not exile you] without providing reasons" or "not [exile you without providing reasons]"?

The former.

Are you suggesting that I should argue my own Towniness absent any arguments for my scumminess?

Yes.

[jotheonah]

You want to exile me without providing reasons?

Why would I want to provide reasons?

Can you at least address the fact that you JUST USED this tactic as scum in the last game to avoid ever having to give a reason for suspecting Swowl?

Eh, nevermind my question above, I got it now. It's my playstyle. In the last game I had a perfectly fine reason to be voting for Swowl set aside. I wouldn't have done that kind of vote as scum if I couldn't justify it later.

This is in my personal QT from that game by the way, I could share that if it helps and if joth thinks it's fine. Otherwise joth can confirm.

I don't have a problem with it.

[gkrieg13]

I forgot this game existed.

[gkrieg13]

I think Westworld was the last time I won as scum: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20403.0

Thanks! I now also have confirmation that you read 200 word long posts.

Which post was this?

[gkrieg13]

Oh man, feels good to have town!faust back. Welcome!

this is the case: MiX can only know faust is town for one reason. He's scum.

Last game was probably the first where I scumread faust while I was alive. I think I finally have a good read on him, and if so he's town here. I'm just not feeling unease when looking at his posts.

This seems pretty bold for a D1 faust read.

[gkrieg13]

MiX is scum but it's not the exile we want right now.

Amazing.

Vote: Jimmmmm

Vote: Jimmmmm

Is this just some weird buddying?

[gkrieg13]

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.

What about those 4 makes them not votable?

[gkrieg13]

Let’s

Vote: mathdude

Dude seems a little too eager to have wagons.

And that's scummy why?

Town wants to exile scum. Scum just wants to exile.

But what does that have to do with wanting wagons? Having wagons is the best way of catching scum.

Yes, I'm eager to get wagons. It's better to actually get people closer to X-1 or X-2 and see throughout the 5 or 7 days how people react, rather than having everyone at 1 or 2 votes until the final 6 hours when only the few online get a say in who gets exiled. If we get real wagons on many people throughout D1, then there's a lot more to look back at in later days. That's how we could find scum.

So I guess I agree with faust... hmmm, that makes me nervous. Oh well, it's D1. I can change my mind about him later if needed

While I agree with this wagon stuff, ironically, it doesn't mean much after you have said it, because then people will just think that the first few wagons are unlikely to be exiled, which makes them easily controlled by scum. But also, that's why you have to have some surprise hammers now and again.

[gkrieg13]

Maybe it's that I don't know most people's playstyles well enough to "productively scumhunt", but wagon analysis is the best option I have most of the time.

Regarding claims though... with the setup in this game, won't scum just claim VT most of the time? Or maybe counterclaim something near XYLO? So forcing out claims won't work as well as RMM games.

Has anyone ever shown that wagon analysis is helpful? I mean I do it too, but do we know if it is meaningful?

[WestCoastDidds]

I feel better and better about my EFHW vote.  I am not down with voting for Joth, MiX, LL, or faust.

What about those 4 makes them not votable?

I feel like they are probably town. Or I at least need more data to decide.

[gkrieg13]

so anyway faust is town & Didds is town & MiX is but he's being pleasant and helpful.

idk, nobody's pinging me overmuch, which makes sense because none of you are terrible at this game.

Vote: EFHW

Wait a minute - are you salty too?

Because there can't be anything in the current game that is scummy.

This doesn't seem like scum!EFHW. Too bold.

[gkrieg13]

Ok I know I just said Didds was town, but quick gut check: does town Didds push this hard this early? I feel like Didds isn’t usually quite this confident or assertive in her Day 1 reads.

I think I agree with Joth here. I also would argue that EFHW has been defensive because she has an early wagon on her.

[gkrieg13]

I feel like I'm seeing a lot more of EFHW D1 than is usual.

[gkrieg13]

You want to exile me without providing reasons?

Why would I want to provide reasons?

to convince other people, usually that's how it works

Yes but Jimmmmm's question implies that if we exile him without providing reasons, that would somehow be bad. Even though there is clearly no more convincing necessary if with have to votes to exile him.

It would certainly be bad if he flips town.

Not more than any town exile is bad.

Scum could likely get away easier on a wagon with no explanation.