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[faust]

Jimmmmm- I really appreciate all of the heavy lifting you’re doing in the rereads. It’s really helpful.

How has it helped you?

[chairs]

Few thoughts:

First, full disclosure I townslipped and I’m sorry since I’m probably dying N1 for it.

Second, vote count please. I know I’m frustrated with cube and I think there’s scum there but I would rather lynch anybody than nobody and we’ve been incredibly diffuse today.

[MiX]

I like Jimmmmm's case on EFHW, but I can't help but think scum!EFHW would do different things...it all looks so bad of her to push what she's pushing and vote where she's voting, surely as scum she would know this, right? I think it's town not trying to look townie while pursuing their reads.

I absolutely need to reread hypercube and Galzria to see which one's scum. I've been putting off rereads for too long.

Few thoughts:

First, full disclosure I townslipped and I’m sorry since I’m probably dying N1 for it.

Second, vote count please. I know I’m frustrated with cube and I think there’s scum there but I would rather lynch anybody than nobody and we’ve been incredibly diffuse today.

Lol where?

[faust]

Vote: Galzria

[chairs]

I like Jimmmmm's case on EFHW, but I can't help but think scum!EFHW would do different things...it all looks so bad of her to push what she's pushing and vote where she's voting, surely as scum she would know this, right? I think it's town not trying to look townie while pursuing their reads.

I absolutely need to reread hypercube and Galzria to see which one's scum. I've been putting off rereads for too long.

Few thoughts:

First, full disclosure I townslipped and I’m sorry since I’m probably dying N1 for it.

Second, vote count please. I know I’m frustrated with cube and I think there’s scum there but I would rather lynch anybody than nobody and we’ve been incredibly diffuse today.

Lol where?

Basically have to full claim for an explanation

[MiX]

Where, not why.

[faust]

Where, not why.

Why do you want to help scum?

[LaLight]

i guess faust is town. the last two times i correctly read him as scum, so there's something. I think I maybe would be willing to vote for oh man

pretty much everyone, except couple of people. I feel strongly only about Eddie, chairs or MiX.

That linebreak threw me off. The only thing I could think for a while was "but O isn't even in this game!"

that's weird that I wrote it like that, not gonna lie. had a brainfart in the middle

[MiX]

Where, not why.

Why do you want to help scum?

You're right, sorry, forgot about something.

[jotheonah]

vote: chairs

apparently he's going to die anyway so may as well /s

[mail-mi]

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Vote count coming soonish. 

[faust]

vote: chairs

apparently he's going to die anyway so may as well /s

You may as well vote Glooble then!

[MiX]

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Vote count coming soonish. 

Aww. I was having fun with it.

vote: chairs

apparently he's going to die anyway so may as well /s

You can claim your VTness now, it's okay, no one will blame you. You can also pretend to be town and vote for scum instead of town.

[WestCoastDidds]

Jimmmmm- I really appreciate all of the heavy lifting you’re doing in the rereads. It’s really helpful.

How has it helped you?

Because everything is there together in a handy dandy wall post...especially helpful for mobile when control-f rereads are impossible.

[WestCoastDidds]

Vote: Galzria

Why's that?

[mail-mi]

"The burdens of nine become mine. Why must I carry the madness of them all? Oh, Almighty, release me."

—Observed on Palaheses 1173, collected secondhand and later reported to the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a wealthy lighteyes.

Vote Count 1.8

chairs (2): hypercube, jotheonah
GreatHallScout (1): Rhand
scolapasta (1): Uncleeurope
faust (1): Galzria
hypercube (2): MiX, chairs
Uncleeurope (2): LaLight, cayvie
MiX (2): Dylan32, scolapasta
WestCoastDidds (1): EFHW
EFHW (1): WestCoastDidds
Galzria (2): Jimmmmm, faust

Not Voting (3): GreatHallScout, Swowl, Glooble

With 18 alive it takes 10 to lynch.

Day 1 ends at 3:00pm FT on June 12, 2020. That's in just over 24 hours.

[Greathallscout]

@the-eddie-comunicators It seems eddie is asking for a full claim to be made towards them. Dylan is already a claimed dustbringer- did they ask you to claim that to them or not? When Mix was going over what eddie asked for - I think they said eddie didnt ask them for their house and others pointed out that eddie already knew that from Mix's claim. is this accurate.

Basically trying to figure out if eddie is trying for a claim directly at them or not. What are your thoughts based on what eddie asked you guys?

[hypercube]

@the-eddie-comunicators It seems eddie is asking for a full claim to be made towards them. Dylan is already a claimed dustbringer- did they ask you to claim that to them or not? When Mix was going over what eddie asked for - I think they said eddie didnt ask them for their house and others pointed out that eddie already knew that from Mix's claim. is this accurate.

Basically trying to figure out if eddie is trying for a claim directly at them or not. What are your thoughts based on what eddie asked you guys?

He specifically mentioned he wanted me to claim my order, but didn't mention my house.

[scolapasta]

@faust, reading this, can you explain how you thought MiX could assume 15 cost for an order power?

He made a wrong assumption and ran with it. Seems very MiX.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

This is quite literally impossible, I just looked at all the surges and scum must have powera that don't cost 15. So, what do you think was the origin of my mistake?

Again, I don't know. I thought this might be a reasonable way to get there, but I didn't check. I think it's equally unlikely that somehow all the scum stuff costs 15. I think you just were confused and mixed up some numbers, there doesn't need to be a huge reasoning behind it.

While I agree that the style of the claim seems very MiXish, I still think there should still be a valid reason for an assumption. In this case, I fail to see it:

Assuming he has access to 5 powers, then it can't be that since there's no combo of 5 that are all 15. So then next, it's the one extra order power - who makes an assumption off 1 example??

But if I say to you this story: "scum talk N1, learn that all their order special powers cost 15. One of them observes, hmmm, looks like all order special power could cost 15 (or something like that), and then for one of them to scumslip" - I mean that should at least sound plausible no?

The fact that you don't agree that this is at least a reason to be suspicious of MiX is weird. The fact that you didn't check if it was actually reasonable with any combo of 5 before suggesting that is weird.

I get that I could be following a red herring. But to be so dismissive of this - including "this is bad" seems itself suspicious.

I'm actually very much looking forward to Jim's read of MiX, to see if he (or frankly anyone) has opinions on this.

[Rhand]

Will catch up later today and then do a reread today/tomorrow.

[cayvie]

@faust, reading this, can you explain how you thought MiX could assume 15 cost for an order power?

He made a wrong assumption and ran with it. Seems very MiX.

I could easily see that if all scum order powers cost 15 for Mix to erroneously assume that all order powers are 15.

This is quite literally impossible, I just looked at all the surges and scum must have powera that don't cost 15. So, what do you think was the origin of my mistake?

Again, I don't know. I thought this might be a reasonable way to get there, but I didn't check. I think it's equally unlikely that somehow all the scum stuff costs 15. I think you just were confused and mixed up some numbers, there doesn't need to be a huge reasoning behind it.

While I agree that the style of the claim seems very MiXish, I still think there should still be a valid reason for an assumption. In this case, I fail to see it:

Assuming he has access to 5 powers, then it can't be that since there's no combo of 5 that are all 15. So then next, it's the one extra order power - who makes an assumption off 1 example??

But if I say to you this story: "scum talk N1, learn that all their order special powers cost 15. One of them observes, hmmm, looks like all order special power could cost 15 (or something like that), and then for one of them to scumslip" - I mean that should at least sound plausible no?

The fact that you don't agree that this is at least a reason to be suspicious of MiX is weird. The fact that you didn't check if it was actually reasonable with any combo of 5 before suggesting that is weird.

I get that I could be following a red herring. But to be so dismissive of this - including "this is bad" seems itself suspicious.

I'm actually very much looking forward to Jim's read of MiX, to see if he (or frankly anyone) has opinions on this.

this is good. i like this from scolapasta.

[cayvie]

talk to me, scola: gun to head, who are your top ~4 picks for mafia?

[MiX]

While I agree that the style of the claim seems very MiXish, I still think there should still be a valid reason for an assumption. In this case, I fail to see it:

Assuming he has access to 5 powers, then it can't be that since there's no combo of 5 that are all 15. So then next, it's the one extra order power - who makes an assumption off 1 example??

But if I say to you this story: "scum talk N1, learn that all their order special powers cost 15. One of them observes, hmmm, looks like all order special power could cost 15 (or something like that), and then for one of them to scumslip" - I mean that should at least sound plausible no?

The fact that you don't agree that this is at least a reason to be suspicious of MiX is weird. The fact that you didn't check if it was actually reasonable with any combo of 5 before suggesting that is weird.

I get that I could be following a red herring. But to be so dismissive of this - including "this is bad" seems itself suspicious.

I'm actually very much looking forward to Jim's read of MiX, to see if he (or frankly anyone) has opinions on this.

this is good. i like this from scolapasta.

Why? It's a stretch at best and it's occupying all of his attention. If I was scum I would know a bit more what a Reporter ability would cost by comparing with other order powers. But I just have mine, and that doesn't let me extrapolate much.

[faust]

Vote: Galzria

Why's that?

We need wagons, I like this one best of the people with at least one vote.

[cayvie]

While I agree that the style of the claim seems very MiXish, I still think there should still be a valid reason for an assumption. In this case, I fail to see it:

Assuming he has access to 5 powers, then it can't be that since there's no combo of 5 that are all 15. So then next, it's the one extra order power - who makes an assumption off 1 example??

But if I say to you this story: "scum talk N1, learn that all their order special powers cost 15. One of them observes, hmmm, looks like all order special power could cost 15 (or something like that), and then for one of them to scumslip" - I mean that should at least sound plausible no?

The fact that you don't agree that this is at least a reason to be suspicious of MiX is weird. The fact that you didn't check if it was actually reasonable with any combo of 5 before suggesting that is weird.

I get that I could be following a red herring. But to be so dismissive of this - including "this is bad" seems itself suspicious.

I'm actually very much looking forward to Jim's read of MiX, to see if he (or frankly anyone) has opinions on this.

this is good. i like this from scolapasta.

Why? It's a stretch at best and it's occupying all of his attention. If I was scum I would know a bit more what a Reporter ability would cost by comparing with other order powers. But I just have mine, and that doesn't let me extrapolate much.

i already think you're not mafia, MiX. but scola's post makes me think he is also not mafia, whereas previously i didn't have much of a read on scola at all. i.e., i think scola is genuinely trying to scumhunt.

if looking for a case on you is "occupying all his attention", that means he's town, right?