Ok, on rereading the two of them, I think Joseph and chairs/Hypercube were partners who bussed each other a lot. They vote each other a lot. Neither of them seems very inspired, though they do it frequently. Then they are allied against me, DatSwan and Space. Both dither about voting the other one near deadline, but they both do it. Sorry about the wall of words. vote: Joseph
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Alright, so this is not to say I think this post is skummy... I mean I still think EFHW is skummy, but this seems like solid work. I do however, have a few "differences in opinion" regarding some of the interactions:
Day 1:
1) Everything from #130-#343 I am kind of in disagreement with I guess. All these post quotes are pointing out A LOT of interaction between Joseph and Chairs/Hyper, with the votes to follow them up. That is pretty damn hard bussing on Day 1 in this delayed flip set up. Like to the extent that I do not know if it is probable, or even remotely likely, especially with Hypercube being a newer player.
2) However, #350 (after Joseph votes Hypercube, they claim to of forgotten that Chairs = Hypercube)... that could be either way. I feel the need to read it as towny, but I mean from a skum!Joseph PoV... this would be a great way to gain easy town points. Still, I am on the fence about it.
3) #382 is where Hypercube leaves WCD (4) to put Joseph at (2), while Robz is at (2), and EFHW is at (3). That just again... seems wayyyy overly bussy (especially on day 1). Also, when they move their vote they make it read the below... which is just sooooo strange again as Skum!Hypercube could of gone either EFHW or Robz at this point. I get we are looking into bussing, but this is getting a little absurd at this point... like this is not just "nonchalant" bussing... this is "I am willing to legit have my partner lynched day 1" bussing... when there was at least one KNOWN other town option.
Joseph2302 (4): SpaceAnemone, infangthief, faust, hypercube
EFHW (3): Dylan32, mcmcsalot, WestCoastDidds
hypercube (1): Joseph2302
Dylan32 (1): Robz888
Awaclus (1): DatSwan
Robz888 (3): 2.71828....., pingpongsam, EFHW
mcmcsalot (1): Awaclus
4) #465 is Hyper moving off of Joseph and trying to rally a Space lynch. The vote count at the time read:
Joseph2302 (3): infangthief, hypercube, EFHW
Robz888 (5): 2.71828....., pingpongsam, Joseph2302, WestCoastDidds, SpaceAnemone
--- So on one hand, why would Hypercube either not vote Robz (credit I guess), or at the least... not do anything? I will give you this stand alone point is weird as hell. As town here, why would you try to create a random 3rd wagon so close to DL. As skum, if Joseph is also skum, it protects against a move (keeping in mind that 3/5 on Robz were town, 1/5 is unknown to us, and the other 1/5 was Joseph... so if it was in fact 4/5 town on Joseph I guess this could be skum trying to prevent a tie from happening). If that is the case.... I strongly suspect Fang or EFHW are skum... but then we are back to over-bussing where all of the skum team was voting for their mate at one point on day 1, which is... unlikely.
5) #485 - If the move off Joseph to Space was in fact Skum!Hyper playing D... why in the world would you say this?
6) #490 - When Hyper moves back to Joseph at this point there is 90 seconds left to DL reading Robz(6) vs Joseph(2). This would be the only acceptable example of bussing thus far that I actually like can bring myself to believe.
That ends Day 1. At this point I am not feeling the Joseph!Hyper team.
Day 2:
1) #554/#577 - This is Hyper voting for Joseph and then moving to EFHW.
2) #612/#657 - This is Joseph voting for EFHW and then Hyper moving to Swan. My take away from points 1 and 2 here, while not the point of this response, would be more of "the team would seem to be Hyper!EFHW rather than Hyper!Joseph (speaking from my PoV).
3) #740/#745 - The first gives Joseph an out to vote anyone, or EFHW, or Hyper... and the second is essentially sealing Hypercube's fate. Considering they could of voted for WCD tying the wagons at 5-5 instead of voting for Joseph and making them 6-4.
That is the end of Day 2.
All in all - I think that EFHW put together a solid interactions post, but I just do not agree with it. I am not saying it is not plausable, and this is prior to me finishing my full Joseph read... but for this to make sense they would of had to have the mind set of actually risking the lynch of a skum player based on the other skum player's push... all the way back from Day 1. I just don't find that super likely.