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[AndrewisFTTW]

Vote: Dylan I guess trust the PR

PPE: 2

And Joseph comes in and gets on the wagon with crappy reasoning.  Not something scum does.  Something busy town!Joseph definitely does.

This is seriously why you think Joseph is town? Ok I think I've discovered the key to mafia success: act as scummy and anti-town as I possibly can all the time, and I'll always have a solid townread on me. Clearly this whole thing of actually trying to lynch scum is pointless.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Also I'm glad no one could counterclaim me, because I come off the scummiest from yesterday's wagon.

And yet you're town. See how that works? What's with the double standard?

[gkrieg13]

vote: Andrew

Part of it is gut, part of it is how he reacted to the Dylan wagon, part of it is gut

Cool. Glad I could waste all of my time answering your questions. There's literally nothing I could say that would convince you I'm town.

Andrew's vote would be super townie, if he weren't the other viable wagon really.

I disagree. It would be super scummy if I wasn't the other viable wagon. I mostly voted Dylan because mislynching me would've been bad for town. And besides, I was starting to find Dylan scummy for how he was going after Jake earlier in the day.

This attitude is also similar to your play in M96.

[AndrewisFTTW]

vote: Andrew

Part of it is gut, part of it is how he reacted to the Dylan wagon, part of it is gut

Cool. Glad I could waste all of my time answering your questions. There's literally nothing I could say that would convince you I'm town.

Andrew's vote would be super townie, if he weren't the other viable wagon really.

I disagree. It would be super scummy if I wasn't the other viable wagon. I mostly voted Dylan because mislynching me would've been bad for town. And besides, I was starting to find Dylan scummy for how he was going after Jake earlier in the day.

This attitude is also similar to your play in M96.

And if I was town, like I am now, I would've played it exactly the same way. It's been a while but go back to any of my older games and you'll see an even more defensive and confrontational me as town.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Here are a couple examples:

Wheel of Time Mafia

Stack the Deck Rerun

And... another that I don't want to post. It's not exactly glamorous.

[Robz888]

Space's case on Andrew is not convincing me. Gkrieg's is better. I'm not at all convinced of Joseph towniness though.

[schadd]

Vote Count 3.3

Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): Robz888
AndrewisFTTW (1): gkrieg13

not voting (2): SpaceAnemone, AndrewisFTTW


With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends Monday, April 10th at 6pm forum time. this is in just under 2 days

[Joseph2302]

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends Monday, April 10th at 6pm forum time. this is in just under 2 days

Oh wow under 2 days. I seriously need to actually commit more time to this game......

[SpaceAnemone]

Space's case on Andrew is not convincing me. Gkrieg's is better. I'm not at all convinced of Joseph towniness though.

Yeah, it wasn't much of a case.. I mostly wanted to work out what things it was that he'd been doing that made me want to lynch him so strongly. I possibly should just have kept those in a text buffer rather than posting late at night, since it's become clear that a lot of the stuff that makes me react to Andrew is general attitude rather than alignment-indicative play, but I didn't want to leave the game too long. And I didn't even get to the present day in terms of the reread :-( I'll be back at a computer tomorrow again, though maybe it's not an exercise I really need to complete.

For now, I actually still think I trust me-from-the-other-day who scum-read Robz over Andrew, but I'll vote with gkrieg if it comes down to it.

[Robz888]

So gkrieg wants to lynch Andrew, Andrew wants to lynch Joseph, Joseph wants to lynch me, I want to lynch Joseph... and Space wants to lynch me.

[Joseph2302]

So gkrieg wants to lynch Andrew, Andrew wants to lynch Joseph, Joseph wants to lynch me, I want to lynch Joseph... and Space wants to lynch me.

Joseph wants to lynch Robz or Andrew, I'm not 100% sure which one

[SpaceAnemone]

So gkrieg wants to lynch Andrew, Andrew wants to lynch Joseph, Joseph wants to lynch me, I want to lynch Joseph... and Space wants to lynch me.

Joseph wants to lynch Robz or Andrew, I'm not 100% sure which one

I have a lot of sympathy for the "busy town player" angle, but not when it risks losing us the game if you really are town. You're not saying anything about why/when you're going to be unavailable and so disengaged, so it's getting harder and harder to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I suggest that if you don't want my scumread on you to grow very quickly over the next 24 hours (bearing in mind that 2/5 players are already saying they support your lynch), you post a reasoned case on Andrew. I'm being prescriptive there because I don't want you to be hiding behind a layer of indecision on who to pick, and because your vote appears to be on Robz even though you say you don't know who to go for, so clearly your scumread on Andrew must have grown more recently if your current statement of indecision genuine.

[gkrieg13]

Just under one day.

Can we please lynch Andrew?  I would also be fine with Space or Robz if a really good case were presented.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Alright I guess me and Robz are the only ones who want to lynch Joseph. So SA is my next choice.

SA and Dylan "townread" eachother the first couple days, which to me seems weird but it could totally be a scum tactic planned out ahead of time to make us not see them as partners. SA was also overreacting like crazy when they were at L-1, and still complains about me putting them to L-1 and leaving my vote there. SA has also said multiple times that they wouldn't have a problem sheeping gkrieg, which I REALLY don't like. Not because of gkrieg, but rather the whole idea of blindly sheeping the IC seems designed to garner towncred and is kind of a cop out for not following through on reads by placing a vote down. So there it is. That's what I've been observing from SA for a while.

Vote: SA

[Robz888]

Alright I guess me and Robz are the only ones who want to lynch Joseph. So SA is my next choice.

SA and Dylan "townread" eachother the first couple days, which to me seems weird but it could totally be a scum tactic planned out ahead of time to make us not see them as partners. SA was also overreacting like crazy when they were at L-1, and still complains about me putting them to L-1 and leaving my vote there. SA has also said multiple times that they wouldn't have a problem sheeping gkrieg, which I REALLY don't like. Not because of gkrieg, but rather the whole idea of blindly sheeping the IC seems designed to garner towncred and is kind of a cop out for not following through on reads by placing a vote down. So there it is. That's what I've been observing from SA for a while.

Vote: SA

Gkrieg, don't you think if Andrew was scum he would be voting for Joseph here, instead of Space? I do.

[Robz888]

Everybody is behaving pretty townie, actually. No one is really getting on board another lynch for self-preservation. I guess Space is in the safest position and can best afford to do that, if scum.

I'm more stumped than I was earlier, I think.

[Robz888]

Vote Count 3.3

Robz888 (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): Robz888
AndrewisFTTW (1): gkrieg13

not voting (2): SpaceAnemone, AndrewisFTTW


With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. Day 3 ends Monday, April 10th at 6pm forum time. this is in just under 2 days

Then again, the fact that Space isn't on any wagon might be townie. I feel like scum would feel drawn to get a vote down quickly--one step closer to lynching someone that isn't you--and that's what Joseph did.

[gkrieg13]

Alright I guess me and Robz are the only ones who want to lynch Joseph. So SA is my next choice.

SA and Dylan "townread" eachother the first couple days, which to me seems weird but it could totally be a scum tactic planned out ahead of time to make us not see them as partners. SA was also overreacting like crazy when they were at L-1, and still complains about me putting them to L-1 and leaving my vote there. SA has also said multiple times that they wouldn't have a problem sheeping gkrieg, which I REALLY don't like. Not because of gkrieg, but rather the whole idea of blindly sheeping the IC seems designed to garner towncred and is kind of a cop out for not following through on reads by placing a vote down. So there it is. That's what I've been observing from SA for a while.

Vote: SA

Gkrieg, don't you think if Andrew was scum he would be voting for Joseph here, instead of Space? I do.

Except that I've said I won't lynch Joseph

[Robz888]

You won't lynch Joseph, full stop. Okay, fine, here you go. Vote: Andrew

[AndrewisFTTW]

You won't lynch Joseph, full stop. Okay, fine, here you go. Vote: Andrew

Why not Space?

[Robz888]

You won't lynch Joseph, full stop. Okay, fine, here you go. Vote: Andrew

Why not Space?

I think Space is townier than you. I think.

[AndrewisFTTW]

Well if you're decided, lynch Joseph tomorrow. I'm still not completely convinced by Robz though. I just can't read the dude.

[AndrewisFTTW]

And if SA and Robz are town, just sheeping the IC is really bad for town, in general.

[Robz888]

And if SA and Robz are town, just sheeping the IC is really bad for town, in general.

I mean, I agree with that, but when the IC says he will NOT, under any circumstances, lynch your top scum suspect, than you move on to your secondary suspect.

[AndrewisFTTW]

And if SA and Robz are town, just sheeping the IC is really bad for town, in general.

I mean, I agree with that, but when the IC says he will NOT, under any circumstances, lynch your top scum suspect, than you move on to your secondary suspect.

Fair enough.