Robz reread.
D1
Says the claiming results idea is not a good one:
Says LL's "scumsip" wasn't a scumslip:
Not a scumslip in my book. I default of the singular masculine pronoun in a variety of situations.
Also the Rolecop claiming sounds fun and exciting but is probably not a good idea. I just looked at the setups and and it doesn't seem to have much benefit in any of them.
Also, I don't understand setup 6. Town gets a Watcher and a Rolecop, but there's nothing for the Rolecop to rolecop except the Watcher? These seems like a real bad one for town.
Ranks the setups and gets voted for it by LL. I agree with LL about the weak contribution but I guess Robz felt like there was nothing else for him to say at this point in the game.
Setups, ranked best-for-town to best-for-scum
3. rolecop, 2-shot doctor, jailkeeper, 4 VTs ; roleblocker, roleblocker
4. 2-shot doctor, tracker, 5 VTs ; compulsive visitor, goon
5. 2-shot doctor, rolecop, 5 VTs ; tracker, goon
7. watcher, tracker, 5 VTs ; 1-shot ninja, goon
1. jailkeeper, dayvig, 5 VTs ; JOAT (1-shot strongman/roleblocker), goon
2. rolecop, jailkeeper, 5 VTs ; roleblocker, goon
6. rolecop, watcher, 5 VTs ; goon, goon
Vote: Robz888
I am serious
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False contribution which is easy to make and is quite useful not only for town
Yeah, it's not a great contribution, but I felt like doing it anyway.
I did make a good contribution, though. I said your scumslip wasn't a scumslip.
Which was obvious. Not like I was at L-1 or something
Townreads LL:
Or are you trying to buddy me? *looks suspicious*
PPE
I do actually think you're not scum for once!
Votes pps for seemingly no reason, putting him to L-1 without announcing it:
Vote: PPS
Says he supports hammering and then provides reasons after the fact:
I did not realize it was L-1 when I voted for PPS.
I support hammering him.
What? But for how why though?
vote: Robz
He is, by his own admission, scum.
Also, this feels like a spontaneous wagon that scum would go "ugh, seriously?" over, rather than a wagon meticulously guided by scum.
I think here he is saying the longer D1 takes the more likely we are to lynch town instead of scum? I don't really get this.
You guys really want to hammer right this second? This game has been going for like 2 days.
we should just get D1 out of the way asap and if PPS wants to volunteer to end it then he can go ahead and do it.
How much information do you think PPS's flip will give us now, compared to letting D1 run its course more completely and generating a bunch more interactions between players who may or may not then get flipped later?
How likely do you think it is that he'll flip scum if someone hammers now?
I think it's more likely we lynch town if this day continues. The flip will be informational as is, sure.
Calls SA hedgy and scummy:
So Space is simultaneously voting for PPS but also scared about PPS actually getting lynched. Scummy.
Eggs on LL:
intent to hammer
Send us home, LL!
D2
Votes SA for supposedly "naysaying" against pps's wagon:
Will SA lynch SA?
Anyway, I'll catch up on this later today. I hammered because I thought there was a high likelihood of PPS actually being scum but I guess was wrong. LaLight seems like a strange kill.
I also thought there was a high likelihood. I think hammering in that situation is pretty townie, actually.
I'm still not a huge fan of SA's naysaying. Vote: Space
There's a long absence and then he reappears before deadline.
Suspects Gkrieg... kinda. Joseph is null. Jake is null. He doesn't want to lynch SA anymore. Wants to lynch me... but not really. Then he tries for Gkrieg.
Caught up! So, I actually think gkrieg is maybe scum, although I don't know if we could possibly get a wagon going on him in the next 2 hours.
Gkrieg has gotten almost no votes and very little suspicion, despite being extremely active and pursuing cases on others, and getting into disagreements. He's playing extremely savvy.
Do I think this strongly? Eh, I'm not sure. Honestly, those last pages were rough. I was changing my mind about Joseph and Jake from post to post. On one hand I do see the case against Jake, but then I also see a little bit of the old town Jake in there. With Joseph, I liked the scum slip argument, but on the other hand those almost ever hold water.
I don't want to lynch SA anymore, at all.
I would lynch Andrew, I guess. No real reason. Who's here? We have two hours, right?
almost never* hold water
Vote: Gkrieg
Still unsure about his vote:
Caught up! So, I actually think gkrieg is maybe scum, although I don't know if we could possibly get a wagon going on him in the next 2 hours.
Gkrieg has gotten almost no votes and very little suspicion, despite being extremely active and pursuing cases on others, and getting into disagreements. He's playing extremely savvy.
Do I think this strongly? Eh, I'm not sure. Honestly, those last pages were rough. I was changing my mind about Joseph and Jake from post to post. On one hand I do see the case against Jake, but then I also see a little bit of the old town Jake in there. With Joseph, I liked the scum slip argument, but on the other hand those almost ever hold water.
I don't want to lynch SA anymore, at all.
I would lynch Andrew, I guess. No real reason. Who's here? We have two hours, right?
Is that really it? I'm active and being town read by a lot of people? I would also argue that I have gotten plenty of suspicion. Certainly not "very little" as you state.
Very little relative to everyone else. Almost no one has voted for you. Just Jake on Day 1, and then Jake on Day 2 after you started pushing him.
Am I wrong? very possibly! I don't know what else to tell you. I can't commit to strong opinions at this point, since nothing that's happened so far would justify them.
Strongly townreads SA:
I'm voting for gkrieg in part to move my vote from SA, who doesn't read like scum to me anymore. But I would attach myself to a more serious wagon, if I knew how the votes stand. I guess I can go do a count myself...
Gkrieg pushes back again and Robz moves his vote to me, says he would also vote Dylan, and realizes he's suspecting and sheeping Gkrieg at the same time:
Caught up! So, I actually think gkrieg is maybe scum, although I don't know if we could possibly get a wagon going on him in the next 2 hours.
Gkrieg has gotten almost no votes and very little suspicion, despite being extremely active and pursuing cases on others, and getting into disagreements. He's playing extremely savvy.
Do I think this strongly? Eh, I'm not sure. Honestly, those last pages were rough. I was changing my mind about Joseph and Jake from post to post. On one hand I do see the case against Jake, but then I also see a little bit of the old town Jake in there. With Joseph, I liked the scum slip argument, but on the other hand those almost ever hold water.
I don't want to lynch SA anymore, at all.
I would lynch Andrew, I guess. No real reason. Who's here? We have two hours, right?
Is that really it? I'm active and being town read by a lot of people? I would also argue that I have gotten plenty of suspicion. Certainly not "very little" as you state.
Very little relative to everyone else. Almost no one has voted for you. Just Jake on Day 1, and then Jake on Day 2 after you started pushing him.
Am I wrong? very possibly! I don't know what else to tell you. I can't commit to strong opinions at this point, since nothing that's happened so far would justify them.
Once again, how am I scum from that?
I don't know, because scum are better at avoiding engaging in suspicious behavior than town. Though this holds less water for you.
I mean, you're right, my case is thin. I'll move to an even thinner case, then:
Vote: Andrew
Would also lynch Dylan for similarly thin reasons.
Gah, I'm simultaneously suspecting and sheeping gkrieg.
Isn't picky at all about who we should lynch:
Honestly we just need a lynch.
Almost hammers Jake:
Intent to hammer Jake
Switches to Dylan after Jake pretty much claims:
Vote: Dylan
Prefers Dylan or me, doesn't say why:
I'm fine with Dylan or Andrew. It's close but I probably narrowly prefer Dylan.
Votes me, sheeping Gkrieg again:
So can we lynch Andrew yet?
Certainly. Vote: Andrew
And then finally hammers Dylan:
Vote: Dylan
Thinking about it a bit longer, I think Andrew missing the Jake thing is probably townier, rather than scummier.
So he townreads LL D1, is all in for the pps lynch and scum reads SA for supposedly "naysaying" the wagon. To me it looks like SA was just asking Jake a couple question and was curious as to what he would say, and not so much that they were against the wagon. Robz votes for SA at the beginning of D2 but is pretty much absent for the rest of the day. He comes back before deadline saying he completely changed his mind about SA, votes Gkrieg, then votes for me, then Jake, then Dylan, then me, then finally hammers Dylan.
This could be taken a couple of ways:
If he's scum, he would've been testing the waters on a mislynch of Gkrieg and me. Gkrieg and me didn't work out, so he was about to hammer Jake until he claimed. He then votes his partner but switches back to me even after he says he narrowly prefers Dylan. So I guess he would be doing this so he could say he was one of the original people to push Dylan's lynch in case he gets lynched (which he did say today already), but he still wants to try someone else, hence the sheeping of Gkrieg and the vote on me. He only hammers Dylan when it's clear nobody else is getting lynched.
Town!Robz doesn't have any solid reads by deadline. He has changed his mind about SA, had a slight scum read on Gkrieg but no real case on him, and so it doesn't really matter to him who is lynched. He votes for Gkrieg but sees there's no support for a Gkrieg lynch, so he tries a wagon on me since Gkrieg is pushing it, etc. etc.
I think Robz is capable of either of these scenarios, but I think the town one makes a little more sense, especially since he wasn't around for most of the day and thus it would've been harder to create reads. And scum!Robz would still have to back up his reads with something. Scum doesn't just randomly pick a member of town and completely fabricate a case, there's usually some truth as to whether they think something is scummy or not and they go off of that. Instead, Robz just laid it out on the table and said he didn't really have any solid reads and the couple reads he did have weren't based on much. I believe him. I also think the way he acted towards Dylan at the end of yesterday doesn't really make sense if they were partners. I think he would either have a solid townread on him or a solid scumread. He would either be completely against the lynch or all for it. Instead he's kind of all over the place. So I don't see the scum narrative for it.
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