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[EFHW]

I am very aware that there is a godfather out there and will certainly take it into consideration after I look at everything from a neutral point of view. I haven't been able to do a reread on other individuals yet, but will be doing so soon.

Sorry, TWM.  I remembered wrong.  It was gkrieg who said the chances were so small as to be insignificant.

I think the odds are a little different than that (where is Calamitas or SA when you need them!).  But either way, it shows that the chance that he copped the Godfather are small enough that people should consider me an IC if you believe TWM.

Which is nice because with Joseph, TWM, and me, that means that to any other townie, they just need to find the town left in the other 4 people.

mcmc also implied it:

and then when it seemed like we agreed not to claim and not to no lynch twm comes out clearing gkrieg and dropping our lynch pool dramatically.

[EFHW]

I guess I'm the only one who recognizes scum! gkrieg in the post above?

[EFHW]

Starting with "Which is nice ..."

[EFHW]

Where the situation is that you have a partner who always gets lynched whether he is scum or not.

It's all WIFOM at this point. My personal belief is you did it so you could distance yourself from mcmc

So I'm scum because he is, but you aren't willing to lynch him? So much of your read on me is based on the assumption that mcmc is scum. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch him first?

[gkrieg13]

Where the situation is that you have a partner who always gets lynched whether he is scum or not.

It's all WIFOM at this point. My personal belief is you did it so you could distance yourself from mcmc

So I'm scum because he is, but you aren't willing to lynch him? So much of your read on me is based on the assumption that mcmc is scum. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch him first?

Not that much of my read on you is based on mcmcsalot being scum.  Where are you getting that from?

[EFHW]

Where the situation is that you have a partner who always gets lynched whether he is scum or not.

It's all WIFOM at this point. My personal belief is you did it so you could distance yourself from mcmc

So I'm scum because he is, but you aren't willing to lynch him? So much of your read on me is based on the assumption that mcmc is scum. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch him first?

Not that much of my read on you is based on mcmcsalot being scum.  Where are you getting that from?

Maybe you could spell it all out, without quotes.

[EFHW]

Also please explain how defending RR was good scum play.

[gkrieg13]

Bump

[gkrieg13]

Where the situation is that you have a partner who always gets lynched whether he is scum or not.

It's all WIFOM at this point. My personal belief is you did it so you could distance yourself from mcmc

So I'm scum because he is, but you aren't willing to lynch him? So much of your read on me is based on the assumption that mcmc is scum. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch him first?

Not that much of my read on you is based on mcmcsalot being scum.  Where are you getting that from?

Maybe you could spell it all out, without quotes.

I don't really get what you mean.  I think the team is EFHW/mcmcsalot, but on the off chance that TWM is your partner, I would rather lynch you first.  I think that you knew that RR was going down, and so you both defended him and went after mcmcsalot, so that you could distance yourself from mcmcsalot, so that when we come to the vote tomorrow, we aren't sure if mcmcsalot was your partner, or if it was TWM.

[gkrieg13]

Also please explain how defending RR was good scum play.

I'm not necessarily saying that it was good scum play?  Where did I say that?

I don't think it was very good scum play, but I think defending him at MYLO is not horrible scum play for 2 reasons: one you can say something like "if I were scum I totally would've bussed" (which you are saying), and also, if you do manage to sway a few people, you can win the game!

[ashersky]

I will be doing some rereading today.

I don't like that today has become EFHW vs. gkrieg.  That's bad in multiple ways. 

[EFHW]

Also please explain how defending RR was good scum play.

I'm not necessarily saying that it was good scum play?  Where did I say that?

Look at 1977 (may be off by one)

[EFHW]

Sorry, ash. I keep feeling like I'm getting Robzfuscated. Or it suddenly occurs to me maybe he really isn't paying very close attention to what he is saying. If TWM is scum, mvp to him. POE tells me gkrieg has to be scum, so that is definitely coloring my reactions.

[EFHW]

Not that much of my read on you is based on mcmcsalot being scum.  Where are you getting that from?
[/quote]
There have been many examples. Your summary at or near 2009 certainly sounds that way.

[ashersky]

Starting my reread.  Am looking at RR posts and TWM.

Is Big G an acceptable nickname?

It shouldn't be, given that I can't even tell who it's referring to.

Also, note, we have two "Mc"s in this game: McGarnacle and mcmcsalot. Full disclosure: mcmcsalot is my IRL younger brother. Like me, he's a vet who has recently returned to playing.

Who's better? 

Randomly could think if mcmc is scum, RR would ask this.

[ashersky]

EFHW replaced McGarnacle.

And then, of course. If McG/EFHW is his partner, too.

[ashersky]

2. IDontPlayThisGame
3. Robz888 (asterisk)
4. Jakethebaseballgod22
5. Calamitas
6. Awaclus
9. mcmcsalot
10. faust
12. gkrieg13

My lynch pool for today. Not because any of these people are scummy, but because the people I took out are towny.

This early and mostly useless list is interesting on that he actually only removes two players from his lynchpool, pre-claim Joseph and just subbed in EFHW.

To me, that seems like he carried over his pre-existing read on McGarg, who had done very little to deserve removal from the lynch pool.  Unless RR was doing the one on/one off list with his partners.

[ashersky]

If it's fine, then what's the problem?
Other people are allowed to use stupid nicknames, so why not me?

Don't be petulant.

This seems pretty bold for scum to say to a just-claimed UB.

[ashersky]

Jokes, I'm UB

Oh brother.

But it appears he hadn't read through.

[ashersky]

I refuse to lynch Joseph without a counterclaim. Like I would hope that I died in the night if that happened so I didn't have to talk again about how horrible of a lynch it would be.

Is this towny or scummy?

[ashersky]

I refuse to lynch Joseph without a counterclaim. Like I would hope that I died in the night if that happened so I didn't have to talk again about how horrible of a lynch it would be.

Why would it be so horrible?

Well because right now he should be IC. And switching the UB to an IC isn't that bad. There is also a chance that a PR dies that he could inherit. We lynched Jake in a game a few games ago when he was a vanilla cop and we shouldn't have. Actually Robz had the same argument that game as well

You know...this is the very post that turned the tide on Robz on D1.  It is part of a longer conversation with TWM.  It continues.

Not sure if I am allowed to quote old games or not, but here is the link (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=16475.msg655399#msg655399) to what I think is the relevant post, #439.

Compared to Robz posts this game, #354 and #364.

This quote comes just under seven minutes after Joseph says the name of the game.  Could he find the quotes in that time frame?  Maybe.

On reread, the whole exchange between gkrieg and TWM feels like a setup to frame Robz for something specifically thought of during pre-game in the QT.

[Awaclus]

I just finished my re-read and this is my conclusion.

Vote: EFHW

[ashersky]

To me it seems that people are reacting to the claim based off their reads of Joseph, not the context of the game (on both sides). Those who found him town before still find his claim townie and those that didnt find him townie don't find his claim to be townie.

Is there anyone who has switched from before to after his claim? I feel like that explanation would help me in making a decision.

Hedgy is something newbie scum is.

[ashersky]

I would be more inclined to go for RR (he had some stuff in the past that I found suspicious)

Oh yeah, we've never played before! I play differently, and I used to get lynched a bunch for it because different = scummy. I've grown a bit as a player, but mostly I can get away with weird stuff because I'm RR. Sort of like Joseph, except less extreme.

This seems like a hard to fake post from RR.

[ashersky]

I just finished my re-read and this is my conclusion.

Vote: EFHW

Do you have a partner for her?